The Police

[Professional Russian]

No its not the band im talking about. Anyways as we know i like guns. i have had a recent debate in my head about whether the police should switch from their Glock 22 40s back to the various 357 Mag. Revolvers. so what do you guys think.

[Harry Smith]

.357 magnums tend to only have 6 shots before you have to manually reload. Even if you have a speed reloader that still takes a while. The glock has 18 rounds in the magazine at .40. I would much rather have a glock any day of the week

[Professional Russian]

.357 magnums tend to only have 6 shots before you have to manually reload. Even if you have a speed reloader that still takes a while. The glock has 18 rounds in the magazine at .40. I would much rather have a glock any day of the week

*Cough* Full Moon Clips *Cough* (And its only 15 Rounds....i didnt pick that up the first time.)

[MisterSix]

I really don't see an up side to the change

[Professional Russian]

I really don't see an up side to the change

Well 357 has more pentration , 357 will knock anyone on their ass. 357 has a 158 grain bullet compared too 124. i see an upside to 357

[MusicMaker99]

Not all agencies use glocks. Where I'm from you choose your own weapon from a reputable company, it only has to be a 4 inch barrel and either a 9mm or a .45. They started allowing 1911s now too though.

Customs and Border protection uses H&K P2000s. Many other federal agencies such as DEA, FBI, and ICE use Sig P226s or P229s. NYPD also uses Sig P226 DAK. Agencies have their own policies on duty weapons. Sig is a favorite for a lot of federal agencies and armed forces such as the Army and Navy.

[Harry Smith]

The problem with the .357 is that they tend to have a longer barrel which yes does help accurary but makes the gun more lumbersome. Also a large bullet travelling slowly does the same amount of damage as a small bullet travelling quickly. Also those 15 shots make a big differnce, means less training for the police.

[Professional Russian]

The problem with the .357 is that they tend to have a longer barrel which yes does help accurary but makes the gun more lumbersome. Also a large bullet travelling slowly does the same amount of damage as a small bullet travelling quickly. Also those 15 shots make a big differnce, means less training for the police.

Colt Python Combat Mag. 3" Barrel. Smith and Wesson 586 4" Barrel. SMith and Wesson Model 27 4" Barrel. Ruger GP100 3" and 4" all 357 mags Need more?

Not all agencies use glocks. Where I'm from you choose your own weapon from a reputable company, it only has to be a 4 inch barrel and either a 9mm or a .45. They started allowing 1911s now too though.

Customs and Border protection uses H&K P2000s. Many other federal agencies such as DEA, FBI, and ICE use Sig P226s or P229s. NYPD also uses Sig P226 DAK. Agencies have their own policies on duty weapons. Sig is a favorite for a lot of federal agencies and armed forces such as the Army and Navy.

45 Fuck yeah. I like 45. anyways. The only Military section i can think that uses a Sig are the SEALs. The army seams to favor the 92FS

[shadymc]

cops are the last people that need guns, all they do is racially discriminate, and use unnecessary force.

[MisterSix]

Well 357 has more pentration , 357 will knock anyone on their ass. 357 has a 158 grain bullet compared too 124. i see an upside to 357

Why do they need that extra stopping power?
And isn't it best to have low penetration, so you don't kill the person behind them.

[Professional Russian]

Why do they need that extra stopping power?
And isn't it best to have low penetration, so you don't kill the person behind them.

What if you need to go through a material such as sheet metal or ply wood? You would loose solo much velocity that the penetration on the person wouldn't be much

cops are the last people that need guns, all they do is racially discriminate, and use unnecessary force.

Where the fuck did you get that information

[workingatperfect]

Where the fuck did you get that information

It's common knowledge. I've seen it myself a billion times. It's not all cops, and of course racism is everywhere, but the racism is there and the excessive force definitely is a problem. There's a cop at my old high school. Last year, this guy came in. He had graduated the previous year. Now, alumni are allowed in the school. The cop came up to him (after a secretary had buzzed him in) and told him to leave. He said "I'm just here to pick up my brother." Cop shoved him against the wall, handcuffed him, and arrested him for trespassing.

Tell me that isn't excessive.

Or how about when someone is robbing a store or bank, and the guy runs. Instead of shooting them in the leg to stop them, they purposely shoot them in the chest or head, to kill them. Seem fair to you? It doesn't to me.

[MusicMaker99]

Do you know how hard it is to shoot someone in the leg to stop them from running? Police, just like military, are trained to aim for center mass. If they want to stop someone from running, they either tackle them or use a taser. They don't aim for their head either.

Excessive force is not common, it is just sensationalized by the media. Media is also extremely one-sided. They don't show what led up to the police using force in the first place. People love to hate cops...if the media showed what made them use force (thus making it look justified) the consumers wouldn't want to see it. It's a really fucked up thing that everyone hates the very people we depend on to protect us so much. Of course I'm a little biased though, since I'm going to be a cop.

[Professional Russian]

Do you know how hard it is to shoot someone in the leg to stop them from running? Police, just like military, are trained to aim for center mass. If they want to stop someone from running, they either tackle them or use a taser. They don't aim for their head either.

Excessive force is not common, it is just sensationalized by the media. Media is also extremely one-sided. They don't show what led up to the police using force in the first place. People love to hate cops...if the media showed what made them use force (thus making it look justified) the consumers wouldn't want to see it. It's a really fucked up thing that everyone hates the very people we depend on to protect us so much. Of course I'm a little biased though, since I'm going to be a cop.

Trust the cops? Good joke the only thing I trust to protect to protect me is the 44 sitting 2 feet too my right.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

are ridiculous. I know how the media portrays them, and I don't care.
We need our own protection. Not to rely on the local PD, because they take some time, and plus they really aren't completely aware of the situation.
Why can't our laws regarding firearms be more primitive? And more loyal to the constitution? If there's a reason with any sort of reasonable logic, why can't we just be friends? I mean really, problems of the future solved with the past state.

But to answer the question, stick with a glock.
There's less civilian casualty
Have higher mag capacity
Easier to reload

All the reasons the fuzz should to keep it

[Professional Russian]

Damn i didnt think this would turn into a debate about trusting the cops. But keep going im interested.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

May I recommend the title be changed to Police weaponry or something like that? I was looking forward to getting in to some pretty serious debate about the sad state of the police force. Incredibly misleading....

[Professional Russian]

May I recommend the title be changed to Police weaponry or something like that? I was looking forward to getting in to some pretty serious debate about the sad state of the police force. Incredibly misleading....

You can if you want. personally this has turned into something different. but we can make this a debate about that

[xDarkAngelx]

Well 357 has more pentration

They looking to kill the person or arrest them?

[Harry Smith]

Depends on what branch of the police, if the G-boys are called in then they are going to be armed with 5.56 m4 carbines to engage in a suistained firefight, but the local bobby on the street only needs a 9mm to act a show of force. In the words of cole phelps ' when you reach for the shotgun you either get a dissertation or a bodybag'

[Professional Russian]

They looking to kill the person or arrest them?

Most cops carry a tqzer and a gloxk

[OrKing]

On the matter of what the bacon should carry, I think a Glock does the job fine for your blues in twos. I don't see why one would need to carry anything more, and I think the higher capacity magazine and lower recoil is far more suited to their job than something as powerful as a .357 Magnum. If they need more than a fifteen or whatever round clip to kill somebody than they probably shouldn't be carrying a gun.

On the matter of police brutality. I think it comes down to the individual most of the time, some cops are bastards and some are okay people, if not a little rude most of the time. But you can't blame them, most of the time their dealing with idiots or overly aggressive or stressed people. It's going to take it's toll on anyone's behavior after a little while. Still, when there is police brutality it's almost sickening the lack of justice that gets dished out. There has been more than one murder committed by police officers here in England and rarely does a charge ever stick. Even in the case of people such as Chris Alder who died on a floor of a police station after having being reported being dragged out of hospital with a head injury. Not one person was convicted despite there being at least four officers responsible. And then even more recently there was Ian Tomlinson who was effectively murdered on camcorder, a police officer violently pushing him to the ground even though he was walking away from the police and had his hands in his pockets. There were dozens of witness, millions if you count those who saw the footage yet the officer who did it got off not guilty. That's the sort of crap that pisses me off. It's like if they have a badge the laws don't apply.

[workingatperfect]

As far as the cops around here, I've seem them use excessive force on my friends before. Not just the guy at school, in other cases as well. My brother has been harassed by the cops multiple times. But I think the cops in my town are just bored. It's a small town and the most action they ever see is a little party to break up or a speeding ticket. They're probably looking for a problem.

And as for hitting someone in the leg, it can't be that hard. If people can hit birds flying through the air, and small animals running, surely a trained gunman can hit a damn leg.

And as Shane said, police are practically immune to the law. The most that would happen is they get fired. I know a guy on the force and he said you wouldn't believe the amount of guys he works with that do shit like pull people over for no reason, just to try to find something, out of boredom, or provoke people on purpose for a laugh. A friend of mine had some drugs in his car when he got his speeding ticket. So of course, when he went to court he expected possession charges to come up. Nope, none. So if the cop took his drugs, but didn't report them, well hmm... where did they go?

So for whoever said that about trusting the cops. You shouldn't trust someone with that kind of power. Cops fuck people over, and break the law with no consequences. Do all cops do it? No. But a lot do.

[MusicMaker99]

People are shooting birds with rifles and scopes, not pistols. It's not easy to hit a moving target at much more than 25 yards, with a target as small as a leg, especially when you're running yourself and your adrenaline is pumping. Cops are human too. A cop shouldn't be shooting someone running away anyway unless there is an immediate danger of someone being killed.

Standard issue for tasers is the X26 with the green blast doors which is a 25 foot range. Therefore tasers are only capable of stopping someone 25 feet or less away (unless they have the orange blast door cartridges, but those are pretty rare). Typically, people stop running themselves and get caught, or they get tackled.

As for trusting the police. The only things I trust in life are myself and my SIG P229. But having dealt with all the police officers in my city and all the deputies in my county, I have a pretty good deal of trust for them as well. Melissa, you are wrong. Do cops fuck people over? Yes, some do...a very small amount that make the rest of them look bad.

[Professional Russian]

People are shooting birds with rifles and scopes, not pistols. It's not easy to hit a moving target at much more than 25 yards, with a target as small as a leg, especially when you're running yourself and your adrenaline is pumping. Cops are human too. A cop shouldn't be shooting someone running away anyway unless there is an immediate danger of someone being killed.

Standard issue for tasers is the X26 with the green blast doors which is a 25 foot range. Therefore tasers are only capable of stopping someone 25 feet or less away (unless they have the orange blast door cartridges, but those are pretty rare). Typically, people stop running themselves and get caught, or they get tackled.

As for trusting the police. The only things I trust in life are myself and my SIG P229. But having dealt with all the police officers in my city and all the deputies in my county, I have a pretty good deal of trust for them as well. Melissa, you are wrong. Do cops fuck people over? Yes, some do...a very small amount that make the rest of them look bad.
Hell i dont trust anything but me and my 44.....love that damn thing

[workingatperfect]

Melissa, you are wrong. Do cops fuck people over? Yes, some do...a very small amount that make the rest of them look bad.

Considering I'm going by what I have SEEN in my own town, and heard from a friend on the force, I'm not wrong. Maybe it's different where you live, but around here, that's how it is.

[shadymc]

What if you need to go through a material such as sheet metal or ply wood? You would loose solo much velocity that the penetration on the person wouldn't be much



Where the fuck did you get that information

Personal experience, try living around Seattle, or look up Seattle, Washington police brutality...

[TheBigUnit]

Don't revolvers tend to be less accurate?

[Professional Russian]

Don't revolvers tend to be less accurate?

What Drug are you on? Revolvers are the most accuarte handgun Produced. I can make 6 rounds look like 1 hole with my 44.

[Sir Suomi]

Give them some AT4's. Let's see how things pan out from there.

[Professional Russian]

Give them some AT4's. Let's see how things pan out from there.

*Cough* Let's stay logical *Cough*

[Sir Suomi]

*Cough* Let's stay logical *Cough*

I see nothing illogical about that. I think it might even help reduce criminals from firing upon officers. I know I wouldn't try messing with the authorities if I knew they were all armed with rocket-launchers. Just saying :cool:

[CharlieHorse]

I see nothing illogical about that. I think it might even help reduce criminals from firing upon officers. I know I wouldn't try messing with the authorities if I knew they were all armed with rocket-launchers. Just saying :cool:

I agree
Lets discuss this further.
Srsly tho, it would cause too much destruction

[Φρανκομβριτ]

You can if you want. personally this has turned into something different. but we can make this a debate about that

The OP is asking a question regarding a specific switch in weaponry type. This entire conversation is soley regarding police weaponry, so I believe debating that should be a completely different thread entirely as it's a completely different subject