My reasons for not being GLBT supportive

[Kriss41]

Howdie.
I'm Demy. You are reading my sisters forum. She messed with my account on here and now I'm suffering.
For the record, no. I am not a supporter. I'm not a hater either. I am neutral- if ya are gay, so be it. I for one do not support it nor deny the glbt their rights. I've been rased religious. My religion teaches neutrality,being open-minded. I am sure many wil find that I'm not being open-minded for maintaining my middle stand. But it's just what I believe.

Sorry also for the hatemail by my sister. I am gonna work to mend that.

[Jess]

Why do all of us HAVE to have children? What about those that can't, or don't want to? I don't want children, ever. Is that unnatural? A couple can also adopt, though that's another story. Marriage doesn't always have to end up in pregnancies/having children.

[Kriss41]

Why do all of us HAVE to have children? What about those that can't, or don't want to? I don't want children, ever. Is that unnatural? A couple can also adopt, though that's another story. Marriage doesn't always have to end up in pregnancies/having children.

You picked out one point and honed in on it. That's okay.
Most people actually do want children. I am not saying everyone does. A lot do. I am saying that we were created to have sex with the opposite ender and make babies. But we do not have to.

[Human]

So for one, because you're religious...
you do know many animals whose main biological reasons also do homosexual behaviour... just because we were made that way we don't have to do it.
our eyes were made for seeing prey and predators, but we use them to watch tv.

[workingatperfect]

You picked out one point and honed in on it. That's okay.
Most people actually do want children. I am not saying everyone does. A lot do. I am saying that we were created to have sex with the opposite ender and make babies. But we do not have to.
To be fair, your points all said the same thing.

Also, at the end you said you aren't condoning homosexuality.... Isn't that basically what you just got done saying above that? That you don't approve?

[Gigablue]

I, for one, love everyone. No matter your gender, race, ethnic background, and sexuality. But, and this is what I have been taught, being homosexual is somewhat unnatural. When we were created (yes I believe in God) we were created man and woman. To have sex and have babies. In the dawn of age I am reffering, there was only man and woman. Nothing else.
So, based on that alone, I reason that it's unnatural.

If you truly loved everyone, why not let them do what makes them happy. It does you no harm.

I disagree with your stance on religion, but I don't really feel like arguing about that. Whether homosexuality is natural or not, who cares? Plenty of things are unnatural, for example: cars, the Internet and modern medicine. Natural is not synonymous with good, not is unnatural synonymous with bad.

also, Reason two: A woman is created with all the sexual organs to give a man pleasure, and likewise a man for a woman. I am NOT, at all, saying two men or two women cannot give one another pleasure. But I've come to the understanding it's very difficult. But it's not so much with men and women together.

Obviously many gay people would disagree with you. I'm sure they find they can pleasure each other. Also, so what? If two people love each other and are happy together, should they be discriminated against just because you don't think they can pleasure each other easily.

Reason three: A woman is created to bear offspring. Men are the, I guess I could say 'fertilizers' for ofspring. What about two girls? Can they get pregnant (without a sperm donor...) if lesbian?

By that logic anyone incapable of having children shouldn't be able to get married, and birth control should be made illegal. The point of marriage is not simply reproduction.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

First you're religious.
Second, those bs reasons are created by it end of story.

[Kriss41]

Heh yes. I am religious. Is that bad?

[StoppingTime]

Heh yes. I am religious. Is that bad?

It's bad if that religion means you should dictate the lives of others.

[Wonder.]

I actually have some respect for you even though I'm gay because you stated your reasons in a very respectful way. Now here's why I disagree with you:

Reason 1: If there is a god, I see no reason why he would be so cruel to create homosexuals just so they could be called unnatural. I'm not sure if there really is a reason why anyone is here to be honest, but a god wouldn't be so cruel to just have homosexuals be hated, would he?

Reason 2: It's not difficult at all. Trust me.

Reason 3: Repopulation is a common theory as to why we exist. I myself even think it may be true sometimes. In the end though, there is no definite answer as to why we are here on earth. It's completely up to the individual's interpretation.

Thank you for speaking your mind though. I enjoy hearing multiple sides of an argument.

(None of this was sarcastic by the way, just in case you were unsure.)

[Twilly F. Sniper]

It's bad if that religion means you should dictate the lives of others.

Exact problem. (How can people read the mind of the Scylla?)

[Silicate Wielder]

Your sexuality is determined whilst in your mother's womb, sometimes something goes out of balance with the fetal hormones just enough to cause a differen't sexuality, almost like a birth defect, except in this case it happens so often its not actually a birth defect,

[Wonder.]

Your sexuality is determined whilst in your mother's womb, sometimes something goes out of balance with the fetal hormones just enough to cause a differen't sexuality, almost like a birth defect, except in this case it happens so often its not actually a birth defect,

Do you have proof of this?

[CharlieHorse]

Do you have proof of this?

There is no proof for this. He is wrong for all we know.

[Troy35216]

I have been taught, being homosexual is somewhat unnatural. ... we were created To have sex and have babies. In the dawn of age I am reffering, there was only man and woman. Nothing else.
So, based on that alone, I reason that it's unnatural.
by definition something is unnatural only if it does not occur in Nature. Homosexuality does occur in nature. Therefore, by definition, it is natural.

also, Reason two: A woman is created with all the sexual organs to give a man pleasure, and likewise a man for a woman.
A man can give a man pleasure and a woman can give a woman pleasure so this argument makes no sense.

I am NOT, at all, saying two men or two women cannot give one another pleasure. But I've come to the understanding it's very difficult.
what the heck is so difficult about it? is it harder for a guy to give a blowjob than it is for a girl to give a blowjob? is it harder for a girl to go down on a girl than it is for a girl to go down on a girl? or to use hands to bring each other off? Once again this argument makes no sense.

Reason three: A woman is created to bear offspring. Men are the, I guess I could say 'fertilizers' for ofspring.
so what? what does that have to do with two people loving each other? or even not loving each other but just messing around the same way two straight people just mess around? This argument only makes sense if you are saying that the goal of every sexual encounter is to get the woman pregnant. That means no condoms, no birth control. If the point isn't to get pregnant, then it is irrelevant that only woman can get pregnant and only men can get women pregnant. This argument also makes no sense.

the facts are Homosexuality is Natural, since it occurs in nature
men can pleasure men and women can pleasure women as easily as men and women can pleasure each other.
The inability to conceive children does not prevent people from expressing their love for each other regardless of whether they are same sex or opposite sex couples.
Therefore by your own reasoning you should be supporting of LGBT relationships.

I hope i did all that quote stuff right

[Kriss41]

For the love of Christ it's just an opinion! Is it so bad to have qn opinion people?

[Kriss41]

It's bad if that religion means you should dictate the lives of others.

It's a belief. Opinion. I'm not saying 'damned be you freakish unnatural hellish homosexuals!' I am saying 'this is my belief. This is why. If you don't like it I'm sorry'. Is it so bad that I believe different?

[StoppingTime]

It's a belief. Opinion. I'm not saying 'damned be you freakish unnatural hellish homosexuals!' I am saying 'this is my belief. This is why. If you don't like it I'm sorry'. Is it so bad that I believe different?


You can believe whatever you want. When those beliefs turn into actions which limit others, that is a problem.

[Kriss41]

For the love of Christ it's an opinion based on what I've been taught. You cannot get mad at a kid for believing something she was taught her whole life.

You can believe whatever you want. When those beliefs turn into actions which limit others, that is a problem.

What are you talking about? I'm expressing my opinion. Damned me for doing so. All I said were some things I believed. I think that I have that right just as anyone else does. Please feel free to tell me I do not have the right to express my opinion.

To be fair, your points all said the same thing.

Also, at the end you said you aren't condoning homosexuality.... Isn't that basically what you just got done saying above that? That you don't approve?

It's not that I don't approve. Rather it's I just believe it's not 100% natural. If ya wanna go make out and do it with the same gender who am I to stop you?

If you truly loved everyone, why not let them do what makes them happy. It does you no harm.

I disagree with your stance on religion, but I don't really feel like arguing about that. Whether homosexuality is natural or not, who cares? Plenty of things are unnatural, for example: cars, the Internet and modern medicine. Natural is not synonymous with good, not is unnatural synonymous with bad.



Obviously many gay people would disagree with you. I'm sure they find they can pleasure each other. Also, so what? If two people love each other and are happy together, should they be discriminated against just because you don't think they can pleasure each other easily.



By that logic anyone incapable of having children shouldn't be able to get married, and birth control should be made illegal. The point of marriage is not simply reproduction.
The idea is not that I am trying to not let people be happy. I don't give two craps. If you like it go ahead and like it. I'm just saying I'm not a supporter.



Use the multiquote button instead of posting consecutively. -StoppingTime

[StoppingTime]

If you were just here to post your opinion, it made no sense to do it in a debate forum without expecting a debate.

[Troy35216]

i didn't get mad or excited in my post. it looks like you are the one getting upset. however, i think that people can get mad at someone for believing something she was taught her whole life, depending on what she was taught. if she was taught that blacks are inferior to whites, or that men are better than women or that christians are better than jews or muslims or whatever then yeh, i get mad at that cuz being taught to discriminate doesn't make discrimination right. I'm not saying that is what you are doing i'm saying that just cuz you were taught something your whole life doesn't give you a pass if what you were taught is wrong. you listed your reasons why you believe what you do and i listed my reasons why your reasons fall apart. but it was your reasons i was disputing not you personally. so "for the love of christ" don't take it so personally especially when the first thing you said was you know your gonna get "hung for your blasphemy" and the last thing you say in the op is "let the bashing begin." if you say that and people hang and bash you really can't be too surprised at the response

[Wonder.]

Dude, you posted in Ramblings of the Wise. You should've expected an argument.

[Kriss41]

i didn't get mad or excited in my post. it looks like you are the one getting upset. however, i think that people can get mad at someone for believing something she was taught her whole life, depending on what she was taught. if she was taught that blacks are inferior to whites, or that men are better than women or that christians are better than jews or muslims or whatever then yeh, i get mad at that cuz being taught to discriminate doesn't make discrimination right. I'm not saying that is what you are doing i'm saying that just cuz you were taught something your whole life doesn't give you a pass if what you were taught is wrong. you listed your reasons why you believe what you do and i listed my reasons why your reasons fall apart. but it was your reasons i was disputing not you personally. so "for the love of christ" don't take it so personally especially when the first thing you said was you know your gonna get "hung for your blasphemy" and the last thing you say in the op is "let the bashing begin." if you say that and people hang and bash you really can't be too surprised at the response
Haha... This is fun. Plus my sister screwed with my account.. So of course now I'm getting bashed. I'm really sorry.

Dude, you posted in Ramblings of the Wise. You should've expected an argument.

Technically this wasn't me it was my sister. I don't curse or say 'for christs sake'.

Posts merged ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[Troy35216]

why do i feel like i've just been trolled

[Kriss41]

Sorry bro. I am feeling pretty bad about it...

[Silicate Wielder]

There is no proof for this. He is wrong for all we know. well for males atleast, there is something called the 2D:4D ratio, I find the strangest things whilst googling out of boredom :P google "Length of fingers linked to sexuality"

this was disovered during a study on fingerlength.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/695142.stm

[Veta]

For human beings like OP is the reason why I dislike religion, ugh its ridiculous. If you dont give two shits about it, why do you even bother making a thread and wasting your time arguing with everybody?

Your sister is an idiot, how old is she? 5?

Please don't double post, use the Edit button instead. ~TheMatrix

[Bath]

also, Reason two: A woman is created with all the sexual organs to give a man pleasure, and likewise a man for a woman. I am NOT, at all, saying two men or two women cannot give one another pleasure. But I've come to the understanding it's very difficult. But it's not so much with men and women together.


Actually there's a gland in guys' butts that make it feel good when stimulated, it's not found in girls, it's called the prostate. Girls don't have any sexual organs naturally to "stick inside" a guy to stimulate that gland so this point is wrong.

[Snookers]

Homosexuality existed since the dawn of human race. It exists in animals too.
Only recently, people got butthurt because of it. They tried to hide it, ban it and literally denying it. There were, and still are, alot of children who never heard of homosexuality/bisexuality in their childhood, and when they grew up and saw the truth, they were surprised because homosexuality doesn't "play by the female-male rule". Offcourse they consider it unnatural and sinful.
If we can just take the children and teach them about every aspect of the world we live in, they will not be brain washed and will be free-thinkers. Don't you think that if we teach children about homosexuality they would instant be homosexuals too.
Also, I believe that it's better when a gay/lesbian couple adopts a child and offers him/her a second chance, than a straight couple bringing a child in this world, only to brain wash it too, like they were.
Hating somebody because he/she is homosexual, is like hating somebody because he/she has green eyes.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

You're being just as hateful you say religious people are.
1st, never said directly they're hateful, just saying the religion itself is.
2nd, How was I? I was just saying religion is hurtful to society. It discourages equality.
3rd, Jumping to conclusions like that isn't getting anywhere.

[Kriss41]

For human beings like OP is the reason why I dislike religion, ugh its ridiculous. If you dont give two shits about it, why do you even bother making a thread and wasting your time arguing with everybody?

Your sister is an idiot, how old is she? 5?

Please don't double post, use the Edit button instead. ~TheMatrix

Haha no. It would be nice. She's my age. We're twins. I'm religious, but our religion really isn't that bias. We're SUPPOSE to maintain a neutral stand. It someone is homosexual, we neither condemn them nor encourage it. That's just the opposite of what she did. I'm real sorry.
And I found she stole a lot of things from me... I'm about to kill her.:mad:

[Professional Russian]

Why does if matter if someones against gay marriage? Jesus Christ God forbid someones against.

[NORTH.KN16HT]

Kriss I totally agree with you. Adding to your argument I'd like to say that if I were in congress I would vote agianst a gay marige bill. Weather your religious or not, your getting married by a priest in HOLY matrimony.

Im not agianst LGBT im just not for it

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Kriss I totally agree with you. Adding to your argument I'd like to say that if I were in congress I would vote agianst a gay marige bill. Weather your religious or not, your getting married by a priest in HOLY matrimony.

Im not agianst LGBT im just not for it

You're saying what shouldn't even be is a valid argument?
Validity of point equals zero.
At least reinforce your reasoning.

[Jess]

Kriss I totally agree with you. Adding to your argument I'd like to say that if I were in congress I would vote agianst a gay marige bill. Weather your religious or not, your getting married by a priest in HOLY matrimony.

Im not agianst LGBT im just not for it

There are other ways to get married. It doesn't have to be by a priest in a HOLY matrimony. Marriage doesn't belong to religion.

Just because you're against it (you contradicted yourself; what you wrote makes no sense - how can you be not against it and not for it? In any case, if you vote against a gay marriage bill, you most certain are against LGBT because you're against them getting basic rights), doesn't mean the LGBT people deserve discrimination and denied rights. How is it any of your business what gender someone marries? Don't say "because the Bible says so" because we don't follow the laws of a 2000 year old book. The US isn't supposed to specifically follow ANY religion.

[workingatperfect]

Why does if matter if someones against gay marriage? Jesus Christ God forbid someones against.

Because the huge amount of people against it is what's holding them back from having the rights they deserve.

[Professional Russian]

Because the huge amount of people against it is what's holding them back from having the rights they deserve.

I don't see what's holding Obama, everyone's saviour, from signing an executive order making gay marriage legal. If he can do out for an assault weapons ban he can do it for gay marriage

[Sugaree]

Because the huge amount of people against it is what's holding them back from having the rights they deserve.

You make it sound like some cosmic battle for the ages. It's not 100 vs. 1 on gay marriage; people in support of marriage equality are actually rising in number than people against it. Taking the mindset that the entire country is against you from having equal rights isn't the way to make it legal.

Just a question to everyone, why do you think the government needs to be involved in marriage? Marriage is a religious ceremony; all it is, is pomp and eye candy. There is no difference between a marriage and a civil union save for a few things, and marriage is a conflict between separation of church and state. Furthermore, why not let the states decide? Don't march on Washington, march on the state capitals and work your way up. I appreciate that the GLBT is trying to bite off a lot, but you have to chew your food before you swallow.

[TheBassoonist]

I don't see what's holding Obama, everyone's saviour, from signing an executive order making gay marriage legal. If he can do out for an assault weapons ban he can do it for gay marriage

That would violate the Defense of Marriage Act.

[workingatperfect]

You make it sound like some cosmic battle for the ages. It's not 100 vs. 1 on gay marriage; people in support of marriage equality are actually rising in number than people against it. Taking the mindset that the entire country is against you from having equal rights isn't the way to make it legal.

Just a question to everyone, why do you think the government needs to be involved in marriage? Marriage is a religious ceremony; all it is, is pomp and eye candy. There is no difference between a marriage and a civil union save for a few things, and marriage is a conflict between separation of church and state. Furthermore, why not let the states decide? Don't march on Washington, march on the state capitals and work your way up. I appreciate that the GLBT is trying to bite off a lot, but you have to chew your food before you swallow.

I wasn't trying to make it sound like that, and I know that a ton of people are for it as well. I'm not even gay, so I'm definitely not taking the mindset you mentioned.

And I agree with what you said about marriage and civil unions and what not. Also, that the government shouldn't be involved, but unfortunately it is, just as it is over-involved in everything else... Personally, I'm against gay marriage because that IS a religious ceremony, and it isn't right to tell Christians what to believe. But I do think civil unions should be legal everywhere, and should include all the rights of a marriage, not just most.

[Jess]

Okay forgive me for being stupid...but I always thought marriage was not supposed to belong to religion...I remember reading someone's post that said marriage came way before religion? Is marriage supposed to be a religious ceremony or not? I know that not everyone does it in a church or religious environment or think it that way, but what's the general overall idea? Do most people think it's a religious ceremony? Can someone clarify?

[Sugaree]

Okay forgive me for being stupid...but I always thought marriage was not supposed to belong to religion...I remember reading someone's post that said marriage came way before religion? Is marriage supposed to be a religious ceremony or not? I know that not everyone does it in a church or religious environment or think it that way, but what's the general overall idea? Do most people think it's a religious ceremony? Can someone clarify?

Marriage has always been embedded in religious ceremonies since religion was first conceived. Therefor, it is a religious ceremony that belongs to religion, not the organized state.

[Wonder.]

Overused argument but still a good one: It once was against religion for a black to marry a white, so why is it so much different when it's two men or two women? The bible discriminates both the blacks and the gays.

[outdoorman97]

hey i totally agree. i am neither a supporter or a hater. im in the middle. im not for it but im not against it.

[ImCoolBeans]

The OP got rid of his post. :locked: