Gun regulations

[NORTH.KN16HT]

Hey everybody! :) I just want to hear everyone's thought about creating more restrictions on guns.

Should there be more restrictions? What kind? If you don't think there is a need for restrictions why not?

Please include your reasoning :)

[Dooby the potato god]

IMO there should.

Britain has hardly any gun crime, so maybe if it was implemented elsewhere, it could do some justice.

Also, key words here: In my opinion.

[NORTH.KN16HT]

This is mainly i reference to the USA incidents: Colorado and Connecticut

[Lyra Heartstrings]

Why do regular citizens have access to rapid fire assault weapons? It blows my mind. What are we going to use those for?
They are killing machines. I'm fine if someone owns a pistol, or a shotgun, or a revolver. But assault rifles? No.

[xDarkAngelx]

Maybe not have the gun restrictions as tough as here in the UK but they should make it much more difficult to obtain a firearm. Agree with Blake, absolutely no reason for someone to have a rapid assult weapon.

[Zenos]

Why do regular citizens have access to rapid fire assault weapons? It blows my mind. What are we going to use those for?
They are killing machines. I'm fine if someone owns a pistol, or a shotgun, or a revolver. But assault rifles? No.

American citizens can only own assualt rifles if they are semi-automatic.Anyone telling you people can own full-auto assualt rifles is selling you a bill of goods.

My dad owns several and despite people telling you a person can not hunt with an assult rifle,you can.

Plus the Supreme Court ruled that we the people have the constitutional right to own any firearm so long as it is "semi-automatic."

So do you really want to go and violate peoples constituional rights?

Plus how do you legislate insanity,so that you are not taking the rights of sane people that own guns away from them?

Trust me any laws rushed in now will be totally reactionary and aimed at curtailing everyones right to bare arms,because no one is thinking rationally and logically.

[Zenos]

Maybe not have the gun restrictions as tough as here in the UK but they should make it much more difficult to obtain a firearm. Agree with Blake, absolutely no reason for someone to have a rapid assult weapon.

Dude you really have bought intro the media hype,no one in the states can own a full automatic weapon as to assualt rifles we can only own "semi-automatic" versions!

[Lyra Heartstrings]

American citizens can only own assualt rifles if they are semi-automatic.Anyone telling you people can own full-auto assualt rifles is selling you a bill of goods.

My dad owns several and despite people telling you a person can not hunt with an assult rifle,you can.

Plus the Supreme Court ruled that we the people have the constitutional right to own any firearm so long as it is "semi-automatic."

So do you really want to go and violate peoples constituional rights?

Plus how do you legislate insanity,so that you are not taking the rights of sane people that own guns away from them?

Trust me any laws rushed in now will be totally reactionary and aimed at curtailing everyones right to bare arms,because no one is thinking rationally and logically.

Why do you NEED to hunt with an assault rifle? Can you not use a regular gun? There is ABSOLUTELY NO PRACTICAL REASON to own an assault rifle EXCEPT to kill. Anything that CAN be done with an assault rifle can be just as well done with a normal gun.

[Zenos]

Why do you NEED to hunt with an assault rifle? Can you not use a regular gun? There is ABSOLUTELY NO PRACTICAL REASON to own an assault rifle EXCEPT to kill. Anything that CAN be done with an assault rifle can be just as well done with a normal gun.

it's my right according to the Supreme Court.

And it's person that determines the weapons useage.

Practical reasons why My dad owns assault weapons:

1) they can handle far more usage then say a gun made strictly for civilions

2)Hunting,

3) Home defence

4) the pshycological factor in home defence,trust me while a criminal will be wary of a person with a civilian style gun,if they see you have an assault rifle in hand they will tear out of your home even faster.I found that out when my house was broken into:D

Plus no one has the right to tell a person they have no PRACTICAL USAGE for an assault rifle.

[StoppingTime]

it's my right according to the Supreme Court.




First of all, no, it's in the Constitution. And, does that make it right, just because they say it is?

[Lyra Heartstrings]

it's my right according to the Supreme Court.

And it's person that determines the weapons useage.

Practical reasons why My dad owns assault weapons:

1) they can handle far more usage then say a gun made strictly for civilions

2)Hunting,

3) Home defence

4) the pshycological factor in home defence,trust me while a criminal will be wary of a person with a civilian style gun,if they see you have an assault rifle in hand they will tear out of your home even faster.I found that out when my house was broken into:D

Plus no one has the right to tell a person they have no PRACTICAL USAGE for an assault rifle.

All of those can be just as well achieved with a regular gun. There is seriously no practical usage for it. Assault rifles are made for killing people.

[Zenos]

All of those can be just as well achieved with a regular gun. There is seriously no practical usage for it. Assault rifles are made for killing people.

Well you're logic can be held up to any gun made then.

[Lyra Heartstrings]

Well you're logic can be held up to any gun made then.

Oh that's bullshit and you know it. Guns are made for a purpose. Assault rifles are made to kill.

*yay 1000 posts*

[Dooby the potato god]

Tell me, Zenos. Did the criminal that broke in have a gun?

[Zenos]

First of all, no, it's in the Constitution. And, does that make it right, just because they say it is?

What I mean was the Supreme court numorus times has up held the constituional right of Americans to own fire arms .

And yes it does make it right for them to uphold our rights!

Tell me, Zenos. Did the criminal that broke in have a gun?

Yes he did otherwise i'd have used a bat instead of heading for a gun.

[Dooby the potato god]

Yes he did otherwise i'd have used a bat instead of heading for a gun.

And why did a petty criminal have a gun?

[xDarkAngelx]

There is still no reason why someone should even have a semi automatic weapon either and agree with what blake's saying. For me it's alright to have a shotgun for example as long as the restrictions were improved to make it difficult for people to get them.

[MisterSix]

Dude you really have bought intro the media hype,no one in the states can own a full automatic weapon as to assualt rifles we can only own "semi-automatic" versions!

WRONG!
They pay a shit load of money to get a license for it and get the ultimate background check.

[Cicero]

http://i.imgur.com/dD21Qcj.png

[World Eater]

Oh that's bullshit and you know it.

Does he know it?

Here's my opinion:

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr270/Rebornplusalive/index.jpg

I just don't care about this debate anymore. It's ridiculous. One side bitching about rights, the other bitching about lives being in danger/getting hurt/getting killed when, the fact of the matter is that one day WE DIE. I have to put emphasis on that because no one seems to understand that at some point their body will give out or they'll get killed in an accident etc. etc. Can't you just let life go on? How hard is that to understand? Everyone gets hurt and everyone dies.

It is noble effort to protect people. It really is. I wish I could be that kind of person.

But then again, I don't. Because I don't want to be a giant douche by taking away others rights.

It is also courageous to protect your rights. It's admirable. I wish I could also be that kind of person.

But then again, I don't. Because I don't want to be a turd sandwich and not give a shit about protecting lives.

I mean really, both sides just love attacking each other over this shit. Almost immediately after the shooting in Connecticut, the douches go on the news, not to mourn about children being shot up, but instead call for "gun control". That is pathetic and sickening. And those turds fighting to protect their rights, are blowing things way out of proportion. Not all guns are going to get banned, just the ones that deal the most damage/are the biggest threat to others. etc.

In conclusion, I don't know who I hate more, the giant douches or the turd sandwiches, but I sure as hell am not going to give either side my time or vote in the matter. And if anyone wants to follow my ideology here, then just sit on the fence like a bum, keep your middle fingers raised and don't say anything to either side of the argument and enjoy the show!

Side note: If the the image is offensive to anyone...too bad.

Also, Cicero, great picture!

[Lyra Heartstrings]

image (http://i.imgur.com/dD21Qcj.png)

I'm sorry, but what's your point with this picture?
Does he know it?

Here's my opinion:

image (http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr270/Rebornplusalive/index.jpg)

I just don't care about this debate anymore. It's ridiculous. One side bitching about rights, the other bitching about lives being in danger/getting hurt/getting killed when, the fact of the matter is that one day WE DIE. I have to put emphasis on that because no one seems to understand that at some point their body will give out or they'll get killed in an accident etc. etc. Can't you just let life go on? How hard is that to understand? Everyone gets hurt and everyone dies.

It is noble effort to protect people. It really is. I wish I could be that kind of person.

But then again, I don't. Because I don't want to be a giant douche by taking away others rights.

It is also courageous to protect your rights. It's admirable. I wish I could also be that kind of person.

But then again, I don't. Because I don't want to be a turd sandwich and not give a shit about protecting lives.

I mean really, both sides just love attacking each other over this shit. Almost immediately after the shooting in Connecticut, the douches go on the news, not to mourn about children being shot up, but instead call for "gun control". That is pathetic and sickening. And those turds fighting to protect their rights, are blowing things way out of proportion. Not all guns are going to get banned, just the ones that deal the most damage/are the biggest threat to others. etc.

In conclusion, I don't know who I hate more, the giant douches or the turd sandwiches, but I sure as hell am not going to give either side my time or vote in the matter. And if anyone wants to follow my ideology here, then just sit on the fence like a bum, keep your middle fingers raised and don't say anything to either side of the argument and enjoy the show!

Side note: If the the image is offensive to anyone...too bad.

Also, Cicero, great picture!

I..respect you. Quite a lot. Not going to respond, as I know it will be ignored. But know I respect you.

[World Eater]

I..respect you. Quite a lot. Not going to respond, as I know it will be ignored. But know I respect you.

Thank you and know that I respect you as well.

Hell, to anyone reading this post know that I respect you, regardless of your beliefs on this issue or any other issue. It's that I prefer to stay neutral of these kinds of matters. Because I want to make friends, or at least make as few enemies as I can.

[NORTH.KN16HT]

Alright my turn:
It doesn't matter what gun you have. Honestly I have no clue the diff range between aut and semi auto and clips... But a gun is a gun no matter it's technical name.
I get the 2nd amendment and you have the rights to bear arms, however there are great consequences if you pull the trigger ( especially in lee county florida). You have the right to own one but you can't fire it u less in hunting grounds or shooting ranges. Else where could result in up to 5 years in prison with a 5000 dollar fine ( see Florida legislature)
Personally I believe the more restrictions the better... Reflecting on the incidents in Colorado where average families watching a movie were murdered and in the case of the school children in Connecticut (school - a place we once thought was safe) we can all agree that nothing like these incidents should happen agian. In order to decrease the chances there needs to be more in depth background Checks, stricter laws, and ( my own thought) a person trying to obtain a gun should see a therapist for at least four 90 min. Sessions to see if they are mentally stable.

Thoughts who have a clean record and are mentally stable now can have a gun. And just to make things clear owning a "gun" isn't a right. Once you are convicted of a crime you can no longer hold any gun. The only weapon you are allowed to have is a bow and arrow for hunting purposes.

[Cicero]

I'm sorry, but what's your point with this picture?


I..respect you. Quite a lot. Not going to respond, as I know it will be ignored. But know I respect you.

What the picture says is the point. I didn't think if have to explain it. The picture is saying that just because people want certain guns illegal doesn't mean they won't be available. Just because pot is illegal doesn't mean it's not readily available.

[Lyra Heartstrings]

What the picture says is the point. I didn't think if have to explain it. The picture is saying that just because people want certain guns illegal doesn't mean they won't be available. Just because pot is illegal doesn't mean it's not readily available.

To me, that's like saying "If you want gun rights restricted, you're a pothead." It's why I asked.

[Sir Suomi]

Well, I don't feel like getting involved in everyone else's argument, so I'll just state my opinion on this. On a side note, I am very familiar and comfortable around guns. I'm a hunter, and love to find out about the history of guns. It's amazing how much a simple gun can affect the world. Anyways....

I think people are ignoring the fact that the only way to stop gun violence is to stop the person pulling the trigger. I say having a course over gun safety, regulations, etc, should be taught for persons wanting to obtain a firearm. Mental health checks, from both the buyer and his/her's family being looked at, along with background history of any violent behavior in the past. Also, get kids familiar with firearms. Although some may argue differently, personally, I think the only way to fully respect a weapon is to see it used first hand, whether it be through hunting, trap shooting, even just going out on the firing range. I've grown up with hunting, and I've been shooting since about 12. I've learned to give the fear and respect a firearm expects.

Yet, on the topic of using semi-automatic firearms, I do somewhat agree that they are practically useless. For hunting, the only practical use I could see them being used in are coyote hunting, and possibly deer hunting, although I think an assault rifle is useless(The most common AR I've seen shoots a .223, which is enough to kill a deer, yet still I prefer shooting something slightly larger, in order to drop the deer faster). Although they are quite fun to shoot, in all reality, they are quite useless, at least for hunting. Maybe make it a harder process to obtain one could help.

Well, there's my opinion on that. Sorry if that was a little long, but I take pride in my firearms :D

[TheBassoonist]

I've probably said this before on a similar thread, but I'll say it again.

If you want to get a gun with the express purpose of doing harm to another human being, you shouldn't be able to get a gun. If you want a gun purely for self-defense, then you can get one, but within reason. If you want one to mount on your wall, that's fine too, but within reason. If you want to hunt, then that's fine as well. But if you need an assault rifle to go hunting, you should find a different hobby.

But there are serious flaws with both extremes. Saying that banning all guns will solve the problem of gun violence doesn't work, because people will get their hands on guns somehow. Alternatively, saying that if everyone had a gun, there wouldn't be gun violence due to intimidation doesn't work either. That second opinion reminds me of the Cold War and MAD, except with guns instead of ICBMs. If everyone is equally armed, some people will become better equipped, and most everyone else will arm themselves to a higher level of weaponry. Pistol to shotgun to assault rifle to SMG, and so on. The short version is that you can't just take all guns away or give everyone a gun. There has to be some medium in gun regulations. There are no easy answers. There never are.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Gun laws are pointless. If you ban firearms might as well ban knives too. In fact ban knives first, knives are a common murder tool.

[Professional Russian]

First of all, no, it's in the Constitution. And, does that make it right, just because they say it is?

Yes. Yes it does.

[StoppingTime]

Yes. Yes it does.

They:
>Supported Slavery
>Supported Prohibition
>Internment Camps
>etc...
____

You sure? ;)

[Professional Russian]

They:
>Supported Slavery
>Supported Prohibition
>Internment Camps
>etc...
____

You sure? ;)

Yes. Yes I am

[workingatperfect]

Yes. Yes I am

Are you kidding me? You follow the government THAT blindly? Everything in the constitution is 100% right? So if the second amendment was repealed in a new amendment, you would just say "Well, the government knows whats best?"

[Professional Russian]

Are you kidding me? You follow the government THAT blindly? Everything in the constitution is 100% right? So if the second amendment was repealed in a new amendment, you would just say "Well, the government knows whats best?"

No I wouldn't. Obviously my point wasn't right. If its in the bill of rights its right.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Not everything is. I still agree with the 2nd amendment. All we need: INTENSIVE BACKGROUND CHECKS.

[workingatperfect]

No I wouldn't. Obviously my point wasn't right. If its in the bill of rights its right.

Why? What is your reasoning behind this? I doubt you know everything in all 10 amendments, so it can't just be that you happen to agree with them, whether in the BoR or not. So what is the great logic behind you saying that everything in the BoR is right?

[Rexx]

Just have very very extensive background checks, and make sure gun owners are mentally stable.

Also, Guns are fun to shoot for recreation. Watch the video below.
and, This picture
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA1QtgFGrYA

[MusicMaker99]

I didn't take the time to read all the posts...anyway, in my opinion an outright ban on guns would be a terribly stupid thing to do and quite unconstitutional.

I do however feel that there should be more stringent regulations on purchasing and possessing weapons. Of course this will not stop criminals from obtaining guns, it will just make it a little more of a hassle.

An outright ban would be completely stupid because criminals will still get them somehow. It's illegal to manufacture, possess, and use meth, but people still make, possess, and use it everyday. Clearly making things illegal doesn't stop them outright. Murder and rape are illegal but they still happen. People are going to get a hold of guns one way or another, either legitimately or illegitimately.

Waging a "war on guns" would be as much of a failure as the "war on drugs" or as prohibition was almost a century ago.