Nationalism vs Cosmopolitanism?

[WaffleSingSong]

Hiyas.

My mom is a huge Nationalist/Patriot, what ever you want to call it, and I am a huge Cosmopolitan. If you do not know what that means, I believe in, from good ole Wikipedia..

"...Where individuals from varying locations (physical, economic, etc.) enter relationships of mutual respect despite their differing beliefs (religious, political, etc.)"

Nationalism, on the other hand, is the belief that you should love and respect your country and that you embrace it's cultures and traditions.

I think that this is a very good question that is sadly not answered in society, and I say that it is good because we are reaching a stage of human history where the aspects of both multiculturalism and nationalism are reaching all time highs due to the United Nations, increased civil rights and globalization.

Personally, I will shed tears of joy when we finally all become Cosmopolitan. To me, Nationalism is some-what pointless, and even in times, dangerous. 9/11 is a beautiful example of this. Sure, when Nationalism hit the USA during that time, people were united. But this wave of Nationalism also caused distraught in the US. Where can I begin? Undemocratic reforms, stirring hatred with a narrow-minded direction of thought to an ethnic group and religion that did not deserve it, two wars that led to good men dying, and bad men doing awful things to the native populace (and putting Americans in a stance that they did not deserve like I said before,) and leading the economy into a sewage heap. All this causing an evolving USA, where it is gradually becoming the exact same thing it fought against to become independent, an over-interventionist empire. Thus, this is a backfiring ideal to me not only to a nation but to the people who believe in it. This can be also said in many other nations, Napoleonic France, Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany all had similar things happen to them to stir Nationalism. French wanted revolution, Italians felt they were betrayed by the Allies, and the Germans wanted to get out of the unfair position they were in. So what do they do? Hire dictators to rule there country, trying to bring glory to there nation, only biting it in the ass at the end of it all.

Cosmopolitanism, on the other hand, recognizes the fact that no matter who we are, if we are black or white, gay or straight, leftist or rightist, young or old, man or woman or of any nationality, that at the end of the day, we are all HUMAN! and thus, will create love and unification to all people, working together to benefit themselves and everyone around us and will finally unite a people that has been in civil war for far too long. As my motto for this paragraph, that we must unite in SOLIDARITY while we still have a chance, or we shall die in SOLITARY!

[Cicero]

I'm more nationalistic with my ethnicity, not actually country. Like I'm German as well as Italian, so I'm very patriotic for most anything Italian and related to Italy. Although from where my family is from, they hated Mussolini and Mussolini tried to destroy my people (not literally, but in a way). I'm very conservative, and capitalistic as well as militaristic.

[TheMatrix]

We, the proletariat, must be more than nationalistic within our country or region. We must unite across the world, turning the dark instruments of capitalism against their bearers! Down with the corporations! Down with the wealthy! Long live the international Socialist Revolution!
This is the final struggle
Let us stand together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race

[Zenos]

Cosmopolitanism?? Hmm look at Rome and Greece in the past as examples of what Cosmopolitanism can do to a nation.

I prefer nationalism,simply because with nationalism a nation has a better chance of Staying intact and lasting longer!

Once Rome and Greece accepted Cosmopolitanism it was down hill for them,just like it is for America now.

We, the proletariat, must be more than nationalistic within our country or region. We must unite across the world, turning the dark instruments of capitalism against their bearers! Down with the corporations! Down with the wealthy! Long live the international Socialist Revolution!
This is the final struggle
Let us stand together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race

I totally disagree,because Cosmopolitanism is a major downfall for nations!

Hiyas.

My mom is a huge Nationalist/Patriot, what ever you want to call it, and I am a huge Cosmopolitan. If you do not know what that means, I believe in, from good ole Wikipedia..

"...Where individuals from varying locations (physical, economic, etc.) enter relationships of mutual respect despite their differing beliefs (religious, political, etc.)"

Nationalism, on the other hand, is the belief that you should love and respect your country and that you embrace it's cultures and traditions.

I think that this is a very good question that is sadly not answered in society, and I say that it is good because we are reaching a stage of human history where the aspects of both multiculturalism and nationalism are reaching all time highs due to the United Nations, increased civil rights and globalization.

Personally, I will shed tears of joy when we finally all become Cosmopolitan. To me, Nationalism is some-what pointless, and even in times, dangerous. 9/11 is a beautiful example of this. Sure, when Nationalism hit the USA during that time, people were united. But this wave of Nationalism also caused distraught in the US. Where can I begin? Undemocratic reforms, stirring hatred with a narrow-minded direction of thought to an ethnic group and religion that did not deserve it, two wars that led to good men dying, and bad men doing awful things to the native populace (and putting Americans in a stance that they did not deserve like I said before,) and leading the economy into a sewage heap. All this causing an evolving USA, where it is gradually becoming the exact same thing it fought against to become independent, an over-interventionist empire. Thus, this is a backfiring ideal to me not only to a nation but to the people who believe in it. This can be also said in many other nations, Napoleonic France, Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany all had similar things happen to them to stir Nationalism. French wanted revolution, Italians felt they were betrayed by the Allies, and the Germans wanted to get out of the unfair position they were in. So what do they do? Hire dictators to rule there country, trying to bring glory to there nation, only biting it in the ass at the end of it all.

Cosmopolitanism, on the other hand, recognizes the fact that no matter who we are, if we are black or white, gay or straight, leftist or rightist, young or old, man or woman or of any nationality, that at the end of the day, we are all HUMAN! and thus, will create love and unification to all people, working together to benefit themselves and everyone around us and will finally unite a people that has been in civil war for far too long. As my motto for this paragraph, that we must unite in SOLIDARITY while we still have a chance, or we shall die in SOLITARY!



two wars ? Um no it wasn't two wars despite the ramblings of the news it was one war the War on Terror but two Theatres of war.

theatre" in military terms means, the area where the war was fought.

Please use the "Multi-quote" button to respond to multiple posts, instead of triple-posting. ~TheMatrix

[Anonimi]

Cosmopolitanism?? Hmm look at Rome and Greece in the past as examples of what Cosmopolitanism can do to a nation.

I prefer nationalism,simply because with nationalism a nation has a better chance of Staying intact and lasting longer!

Once Rome and Greece accepted Cosmopolitanism it was down hill for them,just like it is for America now.

hehe, rome and greece not any other country accepted cosmopolitanism, they had a huge nation yes, but they didn't treat everybody the same, they simply expanded the borders alot, and those empires lasted a huge time, there isn't a country in the world who stayed the same or growed over the last 800 years+
(not sure)
the guy is saying to accept everybody and help everybody because we are all human, there is no reason why nationalism is better, because he isn't saying the world should be controlled by one government (would be bad, so much power) could be the same as the EU, USA or something like that.

[Zenos]

hehe, rome and greece not any other country accepted cosmopolitanism, they had a huge nation yes, but they didn't treat everybody the same, they simply expanded the borders alot, and those empires lasted a huge time, there isn't a country in the world who stayed the same or growed over the last 800 years+
(not sure)
the guy is saying to accept everybody and help everybody because we are all human, there is no reason why nationalism is better, because he isn't saying the world should be controlled by one government (would be bad, so much power) could be the same as the EU, USA or something like that.

I'll take my nationalism any day.:P

But yeh Greece and Rome did last a long time but as I was saying once they accepted Cosmopolitanism,it was a long slow down hill slide for them.

[Harry Smith]

Ahh Zenos my good friend; I didn't even realise you had posted on this. As much as I think Nationalism is a good trait for a country it depends what you define as it. Look at America for example; a nation which is made up of immigrants- Irish, Italians, german, mexican, british etc. But the majority of American's are loyal to the Flag and the state. Thats a good example of cosmopolitanism and nationalism merging

[Zenos]

Ahh Zenos my good friend; I didn't even realise you had posted on this. As much as I think Nationalism is a good trait for a country it depends what you define as it. Look at America for example; a nation which is made up of immigrants- Irish, Italians, german, mexican, british etc. But the majority of American's are loyal to the Flag and the state. Thats a good example of cosmopolitanism and nationalism merging

True but sometimes it gets a tad bit too cosmopolitan feeling here.

[Harry Smith]

same here in Britain; but thats the cost of having an empire. However I more concerned of some right wing party coming in on the pretence of nationalism

[Zenos]

same here in Britain; but thats the cost of having an empire. However I more concerned of some right wing party coming in on the pretence of nationalism

And thats the draw back really with any political ideology.

[Human]

I think their needs to be a mix of two.

[WaffleSingSong]

Cosmopolitanism?? Hmm look at Rome and Greece in the past as examples of what Cosmopolitanism can do to a nation.

I prefer nationalism,simply because with nationalism a nation has a better chance of Staying intact and lasting longer!

Once Rome and Greece accepted Cosmopolitanism it was down hill for them,just like it is for America now.

Actually, Cosmopolitanism was likely the only reason they survived so long. Did that acceptance lead to the destruction of there nation? Debatable. But, think about this. About 1/2 of everything Rome did to perfect there society came from blending other captured cultures to there lifestyle. For example, Greece's gods and government, Iberian arms&armor, Carthaginian ships and naval tactics and so forth. If they have not done that, Rome would of never functioned so strongly and productively as they had had done. Now, I am not saying that Rome is a great example of Cosmopolitanism, not by a long shot (unless you lived in those times.) But them just borrowing from other cultures where they had flaws made there society advance so much quicker than if they had not.