Womens rights

[lyriclover]

Okay my opinion on this isn't the normal "we need to be created equal" thing. What bugs me is these girls beg for equality and then go around and expect to be treated differently than boys. They like equality when in works in their favor but when it doesn't then they act all defenceless. Some examples....

Guys can't hit girls! Okay then so they can't hit you, and they can't think you're weak? Let them punch you and hit them back twice as hard.

Guys shouldn't talk about farts and stuff around girls. But yet these girls also don't want guys acting fake around them. Here's a suggestion, join in why don't ya?

So do we want equality or chivalry? I for one say bring on the punches and fart jokes.

[ProudConservative]

I for one agree.

[lyriclover]

It just bugs me a lot when some girl complains that she has no rights then goes and says a guy can't hit her because it isn't right.

[Professional Russian]

You know what I really hate. When people tell me I can't hit a girl. If a girl punches me I'm gonna punch back.

[lyriclover]

Yeah, all the girly girls tell me I can't hit them. Double burn calling me a guy and making girls look weak.

[Cicero]

I agree. I just talked about this with my friend.

If girls want true equality, then they too would open the door for guys. Then they too could get hit if they hit a guy. I know there are tons of girls who don't want equal rights. They want to be treated like girls. But for me personally, I do not believe women's rights does not include abortion. But another topic for another thread lol :)

[Sir Suomi]

http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/nuts.png

This is just a funnier way of expressing my opinion on this subject.

[tundravortex]

yea i agree

[FreeFall]

Can't stand it. Can't stand it at all. Either you role with the big boys, or you're a tiny flower that needs sheltering. Can't be both.

We've seen Tiny Tim's. We've seen Big Bertha's. We have seen Big Bertha eat Tiny Tim for breakfast, then try to demand for men to treat her like a pretty little princess. Tiny Tim, anyone, has full rights to hitting Big Bertha, or any woman, that gets at him first.
All are entitled to self-defense, gender/sex be damned!
Then there's the women that claim they need longer, more paid, more focused, maternity leave. Some men, have to take their employment to court just to get a month of paternity leave. They're parents, and if their child's mother (wife, girlfriend, whomever) doesn't want to take leave and he feels someone needs to be home with the baby, then he has full right as the father to be there and take that time needed for the baby. Yet you'll find a majority of women who feel paternity leave shouldn't even be here, that women are all a baby needs (which is true in the emotional and physical sense) yet they're the very same women that will scream bloody murder if someone insists she spend more time with her children, that a child is society's prison for a woman and she who doesn't act accordingly to it is a bad mom.
Blegh.

On the other hand, farts aren't my thing. I've grown up with my dad doing those "leg lifting let me force it out farts then blame it on barking spiders" farts. Those cartoon sounding ones that could last a full minute some times. It's fucking annoying. I don't go around fart shaming or anything but, nope. I'm all for equal treatment, equal opportunity, but I will not engage in farts fun ._.

[Jess]

I agree. If we girls want to be equal...we can't just be expected to be treated differently.

[ReginaGeorge]

Well the thing is here, none of these are rights, or laws. They are simple things that vary from person to person. It's convenient you that left out the boys that don't like fart jokes.

"MEN SHOULDN'T HIT WOMEN", men shouldn't hit anyone, full stop (period), same goes for women. You also have to take in the fact that men are biologically stronger, taller, and bigger, and when women have been oppressed for like, ever, and even now told that every guy is a potential rapist/abuser, don't go out at night because you're an easy target, almost all domestic violence and rapes are carried out by men, and it brings fear, that should be acknowledged and respected.

Most women don't like to hear fart jokes or disgusting things from men, the same way they don't want to hear how a girls last period went, or if shaving or hair removal cream is best for armpits or if they prefer pads or tampons. It's not just women, it's men too. And both are totally okay. This has nothing, NOTHING, to do with rights and oppression, it's simply personal preference on what grosses you out.

There are millions of women who like fart jokes, and I'm sure there are a lot of men who are quite fascinated on how the female body works, so you can't blame a whole group of people on something that doesn't apply to all of them without stereotyping, and stereotyping leads to ignorance, and with ignorance comes discrimination, a.k.a sexism.

Fart jokes aren't on the top of women's agenda's. Equal pay, rights to their own bodies, rights about their own choices, and contraception, and sex, and jobs, and children, and these are all things that are still not equal, even today in 2013. They are still being fought and victim blaming, and trying to shame women for wanting their fights or being afraid is only hindering the process.

[Cadbury-Monster]

I think it is wrong that some girls my age complain of being treated like a slab of meat by men and yet they take pictures of themselves topless, or go to parties only half-dressed. It's like they WANT to be treated that way.

[Castle of Glass]

in one of my classes, my teacher said that everyone will be treated equally. bull shit. if a guy doesn't have his homework, stay 10 minutes after class to get a BS lecture by this teacher. girl forgets her homework, teacher tells girl "take as long as you need"
if girls want to be treated equally, shut up, take responsibility, if you punch a guy, be prepared to get hit, and do start crying. i hate the "girls can hit boys but boys can't hit girls" if a girl punches my hard, i will destroy them, in the name of self defense. she attacked me. Same thing with the FBI explanation of "rape" is BS also. it only concerns females who get raped and not guys. oh they say they will change it but have they? No

[Human]

I agree. I know all girls don't do that though.
If a girl smacks me, I'll smack her back. I think genders should be completely equal, apart from things like maternity leave women and men should work the same for the same pay.

[anyone50]

Well the thing is here, none of these are rights, or laws. They are simple things that vary from person to person. It's convenient you that left out the boys that don't like fart jokes.

"MEN SHOULDN'T HIT WOMEN", men shouldn't hit anyone, full stop (period), same goes for women. You also have to take in the fact that men are biologically stronger, taller, and bigger, and when women have been oppressed for like, ever, and even now told that every guy is a potential rapist/abuser, don't go out at night because you're an easy target, almost all domestic violence and rapes are carried out by men, and it brings fear, that should be acknowledged and respected.

Most women don't like to hear fart jokes or disgusting things from men, the same way they don't want to hear how a girls last period went, or if shaving or hair removal cream is best for armpits or if they prefer pads or tampons. It's not just women, it's men too. And both are totally okay. This has nothing, NOTHING, to do with rights and oppression, it's simply personal preference on what grosses you out.

There are millions of women who like fart jokes, and I'm sure there are a lot of men who are quite fascinated on how the female body works, so you can't blame a whole group of people on something that doesn't apply to all of them without stereotyping, and stereotyping leads to ignorance, and with ignorance comes discrimination, a.k.a sexism.

Fart jokes aren't on the top of women's agenda's. Equal pay, rights to their own bodies, rights about their own choices, and contraception, and sex, and jobs, and children, and these are all things that are still not equal, even today in 2013. They are still being fought and victim blaming, and trying to shame women for wanting their fights or being afraid is only hindering the process.

I agree especially with the not hitting and if it's self defense your talking about i think guys do have a big advantage becuase of their size and strength and the part no one should hit anyone is good in theory but in reality we all know it never going to be reality. Trouble is if a girl slaps a guy he doesn't just slap her back he beats her until she is down and a bloddy mess i see this all the time in the news and all this hitting stuff has nothing to do with the equal rights women when are after

[FreeFall]

I think it is wrong that some girls my age complain of being treated like a slab of meat by men and yet they take pictures of themselves topless, or go to parties only half-dressed. It's like they WANT to be treated that way.
Dressing proactively =/= to asking to be disrespected and harassed.
It's similar to that thinking about how the girls in the mini skirts and halter tops were asking to be dragged into the bag of a car to be drugged and raped.

If a girl wants to dress like a side-walk Sally, she has full rights. That does not mean she should be objectified, sexually assaulted or harassed by horny/perverted/disgustingly rude people.

Bikinis are like under-wear. Sometimes they cover even less than actually underwear can.
Do you think someone has the right to strip a woman down to her under-wear simply because it looks like a bikini that they wear to pools and beaches?

[Cadbury-Monster]

I never said a girl does not have the rights to dress like a prostitute, I was just expressing my rather low opinion of it. But honestly, do you think it's right for thirteen year olds to be dressing in tight, short dresses or tube tops, etc.? Sure, it's their choice, but it's degrading. There's a girl in my year that went to a party, got drunk and had sex. Is that right? No, because society is messed up.

[Dooby the potato god]

The 'no hitting girls' rule irritates me. What? If someone punches me, I'd not let some immature 'rule' get in the way of them getting punched back.

[Cadbury-Monster]

The 'no hitting girls' rule irritates me. What? If someone punches me, I'd not let some immature 'rule' get in the way of them getting punched back.

I can't stand it either, but it did get me out of a number of fights with my brother when I was younger ;)

[Dooby the potato god]

I can't stand it either, but it did get me out of a number of fights with my brother when I was younger ;)

I have a brother, so I can't really do much about that...

[lyriclover]

Wow this is turning into quite the debate. :) Sorry if y'all don't agree with me, I just think us girls shouldn't get special treatment just because of our gender.

[Castle of Glass]

Wow this is turning into quite the debate. :) Sorry if y'all don't agree with me, I just think us girls shouldn't get special treatment just because of our gender.

i agree with you. until you said "our gender" i though you were a guy :P. imo if a females want to be treated the same, then they should also accept getting hit, IF THEY THROW THE FIRST PUNCHES.

[Lyra Heartstrings]

9:45 PM - Banshee: alright I want to comment on this portion of a post from him
9:45 PM - Banshee: 2) real men don't beat women
9:45 PM - Banshee: I am so damn sick and tired of women getting special treatment
9:45 PM - Banshee: you know what the women's right movement was for? equality
9:45 PM - Banshee: I've seen a girl slap a guy for some shit SHE started (and it was just insults back and forth) and when he slapped her back a bunch of guys jumped on him
9:46 PM - Banshee: People are people, all equally capable of different shit, we're unique because we're not all stereotypes
9:47 PM - Banshee: I wish everyone could actually express their uniqueness
9:47 PM - Banshee: world would be a much more interesting place I'd think
9:52 PM - Banshee: I'm just saying though... we're in 2013 now. I think we should do away with gender roles and start recognizing that some women are actually stronger than some men are, and some men are smarter than some women are.. And that's just an extremely generic example, there are people who are literally living contradictions to the social stereotype. That's why I think everyone's equal. No gender, race, or sexuality will get any special treatment for me because I know all of it has to do with who you are, not what you are. Time to stop the dumb generalizations and labels, I'd say.

A good friend said this. I thought it would go well here.

[FreeFall]

I never said a girl does not have the rights to dress like a prostitute, I was just expressing my rather low opinion of it. But honestly, do you think it's right for thirteen year olds to be dressing in tight, short dresses or tube tops, etc.? Sure, it's their choice, but it's degrading. There's a girl in my year that went to a party, got drunk and had sex. Is that right? No, because society is messed up.
Here's where the silly split comes.

-Strippers, willing hookers, and women who know how to show off their body are empowered. They're saying they have complete control over it, how to use it, and love showing it off. Shows confidence, self assurance and pride in themselves. They work it and wear for themselves, if people look then that's the people, these women are strutting and wielding their femininity to their control.

-Strippers, women and willing hookers are still under the control of men. They feel they need to show off to please men, because they love to look at the female body. The men control hookers and strippers because they give them money, keeping them in their business and keeping them working for them. They're insecure and lack self assurance because they're barely dressed, saying look at me look at my body. (funny they forget about women who do the same to women)

I've no personal opinion on a 13 year old dressing, more the parents. They still have parents and monitoring, at least we did at that age. If the parents are letting them dress like that, or don't know their kid has those types of clothing, that's them and they're not very good parents in my opinion.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

We are all equal. We are all human. Or is there a Martian in the diner across the street?

[Emerald Dream]

If I was upset enough to ever take a swing at a man, I would fully expect him to come back at me. The whole point of equality is, well...equality. Good and bad - whether it comes to rights like voting or combat, or social equality. Picking and choosing what aspects in life we want to be equal is unrealistic nowadays. That's not equality, it's preferential treatment.

[georgiamay]

The title of this thread is almost misleading. There hasn't been much mention of women's rights at all so far, it's just full of "NOT HITTING GIRLS MAKES NO SENSE THEY CAN'T SAY THEY'RE EQUAL AND THEN SAY THAT."

I'm struggling to think of where to start. I agree that some girls who do this annoy me. But this doesn't mean they think they're special or superior. Ever since they were born they were probably told that girls were weaker, and they should wear pretty pink bows and not play in the mud. The fact that they act like this shows that they subconsciously think they're inferior to men, because they still think they need to be protected rather than standing up for themselves.

Only fairly recently have women been considered equal by the law. We couldn't even vote at the same age as men until 1928 (in the UK). That's less than 100 years. If you think that women today are treated fairly then you're kidding yourself. Women are blamed if they get raped while they were wearing a short skirt, as though that somehow invites sex. Women are told "don't get yourself raped," like they have any control over it.

If we want to start talking about women's rights instead of bitching about a select few girls that whine every now and then, that'd be great.

[huginnmuninn]

We are all equal. We are all human. Or is there a Martian in the diner across the street?

Are you implying that alien races should get treated differently just because they weren't born on Earth?

Everybody should be treated equally even if they are different. It doesn't matter what race, sex, religion, nationality,...etc. we should all be as equal as possible. I do however accept that people are different than one another and therefore they will be treated differently. I will treat a guy who can beat my ass or has power over me a lot differently than a person that has no power over me. It just makes sense.
But everyone should have the same rights.

[Zenos]

Okay my opinion on this isn't the normal "we need to be created equal" thing. What bugs me is these girls beg for equality and then go around and expect to be treated differently than boys. They like equality when in works in their favor but when it doesn't then they act all defenceless. Some examples....

Guys can't hit girls! Okay then so they can't hit you, and they can't think you're weak? Let them punch you and hit them back twice as hard.

Guys shouldn't talk about farts and stuff around girls. But yet these girls also don't want guys acting fake around them. Here's a suggestion, join in why don't ya?

So do we want equality or chivalry? I for one say bring on the punches and fart jokes.



This brings up a pet peeve of mine.

A guy can't hit or shove a girl and is supposed to act respectful to her noi matter what,but she can get up in his face screaming like a Banshee,dogging him out,shove him and slapp him just because she's mad,and he can defend himself because he's in the wrong ,plus other guys will come running to jump on him for defending himself.

If a girl wants to hit a guy simply because she's pissed off,then in the spirit of equality she should be big enough to accept being hit back at in self -defence,other wise she should take her hissy fit soemwhere else.

[lyriclover]

Yup pretty much. If I'm gonna hit a guy and he doesn't hit back then I'm just gonna hit him harder. I would rather be punched back because theres no satisfaction in a fight unless both partys agree that a fight is taking place.