View Full Version : Have we become to politically correct and sensitive as a generation and society?
Cicero
January 30th, 2013, 12:34 AM
So you ask most adults who grew up in the late 60s and early 70s and they will tell you society didn't care about about saying very strong, and offensive words.
Sure, that's not nice. But do you think that it's a bad thing that we've become so sensitive and politically correct?
I think it's a terrible thing. The older generations weren't sensitive over many things and honestly, I think being politically correct is just stupid. If you wanted to start a fight with a guy back then, the only thing really stopping you is the police being around. But now, if you wanted to start a fight with someone, you would have to worry about getting a lawsuit.
If someone wanted to call you names back then, you would just call them even worse names and brush it off. Now, if someone calls you a name, you could consider it bullying and they could get into big trouble.
Added:
I'm not saying its bad that we have become more polite. But we shouldn't get the government or courts involved. Just solve it yourself, basically.
ReginaGeorge
January 30th, 2013, 01:44 AM
Your poll should have a both yes and no answer.
In some aspects, yes, I do believe we are very sensitive. I could get fines for hundreds of dollars for putting my feet on a chair on public transport. People get fined for parking their car for too long in a certain space. If debt collectors take one missed payment, you have bad credit for life, so forget that loan you need. It will take me three years to get my full license, and one just to drive alone. Call a teenage girl a slut and she'll cry, or start a fight. Call a young man a pussy, he'll knock you out, or cry.
All of these things are ridiculous.
On the other hand, no, we're not sensitive enough. See a murder or fatal car crash on TV, people will think "really another one?" and change channels, people walk past homeless people every day and don't even spare a glance, a person commits suicide and doesn't die, people won't care, if they do, they'll care for 5 minutes, if someone is crying on the street I doubt anyone would ask if they were okay, a guy punched someone in the head hard enough to kill and they are charged with manslaughter or some forms of bodily harm instead of murder, women and gays and blacks and minorities are still fighting for the entitled human rights, but they don't have them and they are still discriminated against and some people don't care because it doesn't affect them directly.
While saying all of this, there are plenty of people who define both of these, there are people who go through the necessarily stages of driving and never have an accident, but there are also be people who will crash within a few weeks of receiving their license caused by reckless driving, there are people who volunteer and help the homeless, but there are also be homeless people who do abuse whatever resources they get, there are people who will hit people and not mean to cause serious harm, but there will also be people who actually wouldn't mind killing someone, or at least not feel guilt afterwards.
Nothing is really clear cut, and to say that something as complicated as society is one thing specifically isn't quite correct, or justifiable, I think.
Zenos
January 30th, 2013, 11:10 AM
I'm from the states but I can say yes yes we have.
I've talked to my cousins that where teens back in teh 80's,my parents,and othesr they know that where teens back then and yes we have become more politically correct and sensitive and it's not a good thing.
Most teens now adays are conditioned to:
1) Being bullied go tell mom and dad,or a teacher but don't stand up for yourself because fighting is wrong no matter the cause.
2) Argue the point against a teen that does say you should stand up for yourself
3) Be yourself ,yet conform to what others think,yet still act and think they are being individuals!
among others.
My parents and other family members have said many times that back in the 80's if a someone tried to bully you you either stood up to them are you took it and most people stood up to bullies,people could be themseleves without having to conform or being pressured to conform,you could say what you wanted etc etc.
They said this bs as it si now with the way teens are all politically correct and hyper-sensitive to the point that if you sneeze in the wrong tone you get in trouble got started back in the 90's with pop-psychologists getting public air time on tv flapping about how to raise your children and promoting their books and ideas on such!
Plus I think theirs was the last tough generation!Ours is pansies compared to theirs,pansies to teh extent I think you could send the badest bully in your schoool back to then and he'd end up getting bullied!
I'm glad my parents raised me the way they where raised!
Taryn98
January 30th, 2013, 06:11 PM
I hate people who are politically correct. I think it's a sign of weakness and I totally don't respect it. It you feel/think a certain way, you should stand up and say it directly and bluntly. If people don't like that, it's their problem.
I respect someone who has the strength to say what they believe even if I disagree with their opinion more than someone who tries not to offend me by saying something I don't like.
This country needs more people willing to stand up and say what they think regardless of the consequences.
Lost in the Echo
January 30th, 2013, 10:02 PM
Yeah, I agree. Nowadays, people get offended over such petty things.
I blame the media for this. They blow everything out of proportion. They make such petty little shit into a big story.
Texas warrior
January 30th, 2013, 10:05 PM
We as a people to day lack the balls to say what we actually think. AND IT FUCKING PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!!!!!!
LouBerry
January 30th, 2013, 10:06 PM
I think it's a good thing to a point. I think that people should always have their freedoms promised by the Constitution. But, as a famous and sadly very dead intelligent man named Oliver something or another said, "The right to swing my fist ends, where another mans nose begins." So, we should all the right to do what we want, until it intrudes on someone else's rights.
Smeagol
January 30th, 2013, 10:44 PM
Here is my problem with politically correctness. Sure, it's bad to be any of the isms, sexism, racism, classism, heterosexism...
But if people won't just speak their minds, we don't get anywhere. It's not politically correct to say loads of things, and some of them just ought to be said, gotten into the air, and then let go of. People have their heads up their bums sometimes about what's rude and what isn't. If people were not so uptight, political correctness wouldn't be necessary.
Jess
January 30th, 2013, 10:45 PM
Your poll should have a both yes and no answer.
In some aspects, yes, I do believe we are very sensitive. I could get fines for hundreds of dollars for putting my feet on a chair on public transport. People get fined for parking their car for too long in a certain space. If debt collectors take one missed payment, you have bad credit for life, so forget that loan you need. It will take me three years to get my full license, and one just to drive alone. Call a teenage girl a slut and she'll cry, or start a fight. Call a young man a pussy, he'll knock you out, or cry.
All of these things are ridiculous.
On the other hand, no, we're not sensitive enough. See a murder or fatal car crash on TV, people will think "really another one?" and change channels, people walk past homeless people every day and don't even spare a glance, a person commits suicide and doesn't die, people won't care, if they do, they'll care for 5 minutes, if someone is crying on the street I doubt anyone would ask if they were okay, a guy punched someone in the head hard enough to kill and they are charged with manslaughter or some forms of bodily harm instead of murder, women and gays and blacks and minorities are still fighting for the entitled human rights, but they don't have them and they are still discriminated against and some people don't care because it doesn't affect them directly.
While saying all of this, there are plenty of people who define both of these, there are people who go through the necessarily stages of driving and never have an accident, but there are also be people who will crash within a few weeks of receiving their license caused by reckless driving, there are people who volunteer and help the homeless, but there are also be homeless people who do abuse whatever resources they get, there are people who will hit people and not mean to cause serious harm, but there will also be people who actually wouldn't mind killing someone, or at least not feel guilt afterwards.
Nothing is really clear cut, and to say that something as complicated as society is one thing specifically isn't quite correct, or justifiable, I think.
Read this through, and I basically think this sums up my opinion perfectly.
Lyra Heartstrings
January 30th, 2013, 11:02 PM
Well, it really depends what you see as politically correct. Dropping the N and F word constantly is just plain rude and offends me quite a bit. There is no reason to use a cuss word every other sentence. It makes you look uneducated. Yes, you can get fined for silly things, but really, only a stingy cop will do that.
Cicero
January 30th, 2013, 11:04 PM
Your poll should have a both yes and no answer.
In some aspects, yes, I do believe we are very sensitive. I could get fines for hundreds of dollars for putting my feet on a chair on public transport. People get fined for parking their car for too long in a certain space. If debt collectors take one missed payment, you have bad credit for life, so forget that loan you need. It will take me three years to get my full license, and one just to drive alone. Call a teenage girl a slut and she'll cry, or start a fight. Call a young man a pussy, he'll knock you out, or cry.
All of these things are ridiculous.
On the other hand, no, we're not sensitive enough. See a murder or fatal car crash on TV, people will think "really another one?" and change channels, people walk past homeless people every day and don't even spare a glance, a person commits suicide and doesn't die, people won't care, if they do, they'll care for 5 minutes, if someone is crying on the street I doubt anyone would ask if they were okay, a guy punched someone in the head hard enough to kill and they are charged with manslaughter or some forms of bodily harm instead of murder, women and gays and blacks and minorities are still fighting for the entitled human rights, but they don't have them and they are still discriminated against and some people don't care because it doesn't affect them directly.
While saying all of this, there are plenty of people who define both of these, there are people who go through the necessarily stages of driving and never have an accident, but there are also be people who will crash within a few weeks of receiving their license caused by reckless driving, there are people who volunteer and help the homeless, but there are also be homeless people who do abuse whatever resources they get, there are people who will hit people and not mean to cause serious harm, but there will also be people who actually wouldn't mind killing someone, or at least not feel guilt afterwards.
Nothing is really clear cut, and to say that something as complicated as society is one thing specifically isn't quite correct, or justifiable, I think.
I didn't mean legal like that, I meant like name calling, or fighting and such. Like back in the day, you get in a fight and you don't have to worry about law suits. Back in the day you could call someone a racial slang term without getting into trouble. Back in the 60s you could tell someone what you really think of them, and they wouldn't cry over it. They wouldn't cry over bein called a variety of mean names.
I'm sensitivity by the way. But I blame society and culture. Cause most everyone is sensitive now a days, I wish I wasn't. But I am.
Well, it really depends what you see as politically correct. Dropping the N and F word constantly is just plain rude and offends me quite a bit. There is no reason to use a cuss word every other sentence. It makes you look uneducated. Yes, you can get fined for silly things, but really, only a stingy cop will do that.
Yes it's rude. But back in the day, people wouldn't get offended as much as they do now. You say the N word/racial term in class in the 70s and teachers would say "Hey don't say that", but now you would get suspended because its so "Politically incorrect".
Lyra Heartstrings
January 30th, 2013, 11:23 PM
I didn't mean legal like that, I meant like name calling, or fighting and such. Like back in the day, you get in a fight and you don't have to worry about law suits. Back in the day you could call someone a racial slang term without getting into trouble. Back in the 60s you could tell someone what you really think of them, and they wouldn't cry over it. They wouldn't cry over bein called a variety of mean names.
I'm sensitivity by the way. But I blame society and culture. Cause most everyone is sensitive now a days, I wish I wasn't. But I am.
Yes it's rude. But back in the day, people wouldn't get offended as much as they do now. You say the N word/racial term in class in the 70s and teachers would say "Hey don't say that", but now you would get suspended because its so "Politically incorrect".
I don't think you understand. In the 70s, homophobia and racism were rampant, more so than they are now. We have evolved as humans and accepted both gays and blacks. I don't understand why you would argue that the terms dying, both incredibly offensive and discriminatory, is in any way helpful to society.
Cicero
January 30th, 2013, 11:42 PM
I don't think you understand. In the 70s, homophobia and racism were rampant, more so than they are now. We have evolved as humans and accepted both gays and blacks. I don't understand why you would argue that the terms dying, both incredibly offensive and discriminatory, is in any way helpful to society.
I never said its helpful. But it's helpful if this generation wasn't so sensitive and it'd help if this culture wouldn't be so politically correct. It's like you say one term, the courts get involved and you could get sued. There are people who would sue someone over using the smallest offensive term, and that's not a way to fix it. It's like always being on pins and needles because no one knows how to wipe something off of their shoulders, they always have to get the legal system involved. In the 60s if someone called you a name, you could just punch them. Now, if someone calls you a name, you go running to mommy and daddy and the school/legal system. But if you do throw a fist, that other guy could sue you. When I say you, I don't mean literally you, Blake. I mean people in general.
Lyra Heartstrings
January 30th, 2013, 11:55 PM
I never said its helpful. But it's helpful if this generation wasn't so sensitive and it'd help if this culture wouldn't be so politically correct. It's like you say one term, the courts get involved and you could get sued. There are people who would sue someone over using the smallest offensive term, and that's not a way to fix it. It's like always being on pins and needles because no one knows how to wipe something off of their shoulders, they always have to get the legal system involved. In the 60s if someone called you a name, you could just punch them. Now, if someone calls you a name, you go running to mommy and daddy and the school/legal system. But if you do throw a fist, that other guy could sue you. When I say you, I don't mean literally you, Blake. I mean people in general.
I do understand you don't mean me. Not sure how I came across as I didn't.
If you call someone the F word nobody will sue. That's just propaganda and you know it. The whole reason we can't just punch someone is because that doesn't solve anything. Beating the shit out of another human being for the sole reason of hurting them is just dumb. Again, socially, humans have evolved. And we have become more sensitive. It has perks and cons.
ReginaGeorge
January 31st, 2013, 01:31 AM
I didn't mean legal like that, I meant like name calling, or fighting and such. Like back in the day, you get in a fight and you don't have to worry about law suits. Back in the day you could call someone a racial slang term without getting into trouble. Back in the 60s you could tell someone what you really think of them, and they wouldn't cry over it. They wouldn't cry over bein called a variety of mean names.
Society is improving. Racism, sexism, homophobia etc are all slowly being removed from society, because we now as educated human beings understand that discrimination is wrong. Back in the 60's, gay marriage was illegal, gay sex was illegal (in some places, at least Australia), interracial marriage, I don't know when that came in, but there would have damn well been some hideous racism. WOmen couldn't vote, women were literally owned, and sold and that was okay. To tell people to "just get over" discrimination is stupid, and the fact that today's society is taking action and telling people you can't do that is a good thing, it's making sure that minorities are getting the same rights as the majorities.
Back in the day, it wasn't just racial slurs, it was racial beatings, and murders. Black people were oppressed by white people, how would you feel if it was the opposite way around, and it was you being forced to fight for YOUR equality?
You are a male, so you are instantly excused from sexism, if you think racism is okay, you must be white and are instantly excused from racism, chances are you're straight, (if not, my apologizes) which means you're excused from homophobia.
If you think racism, sexism, homophobia etc is good, then that's very bad.
Cicero
January 31st, 2013, 01:47 AM
Society is improving. Racism, sexism, homophobia etc are all slowly being removed from society, because we now as educated human beings understand that discrimination is wrong. Back in the 60's, gay marriage was illegal, gay sex was illegal (in some places, at least Australia), interracial marriage, I don't know when that came in, but there would have damn well been some hideous racism. WOmen couldn't vote, women were literally owned, and sold and that was okay. To tell people to "just get over" discrimination is stupid, and the fact that today's society is taking action and telling people you can't do that is a good thing, it's making sure that minorities are getting the same rights as the majorities.
Back in the day, it wasn't just racial slurs, it was racial beatings, and murders. Black people were oppressed by white people, how would you feel if it was the opposite way around, and it was you being forced to fight for YOUR equality?
You are a male, so you are instantly excused from sexism, if you think racism is okay, you must be white and are instantly excused from racism, chances are you're straight, (if not, my apologizes) which means you're excused from homophobia.
If you think racism, sexism, homophobia etc is good, then that's very bad.
I didn't say it was good.
ReginaGeorge
January 31st, 2013, 02:14 AM
I didn't say it was good.
Then sensitivity and punishment towards discrimination is good. Everyone deserves to be equal.
FreeFall
January 31st, 2013, 02:38 AM
I missed the memo a few years back that we no longer say 3rd world countries, it's now developing countries. Got my ass chewed out for that, now I just say the name of the country I wish to speak of.
In a sense, yes, we've gown super squishy soft. When I was a kid, bullies were few and scarce. Taught me how to defend myself with my tongue, honed my wits and taught me that you just can't give a care about some folks. That I'm lovely, and perfect as I am, withing reason of course, and the fact they're missing out is their loss.
Now, "bullies" can go to jail or be sued depending on their age. Also, ignoring someone now counts as bullying? Why the hell would you want to speak to someone you don't like, let alone don't want to? Isn't that bullying? Forcing someone to interact with another when they don't want to? My sister got 3 detentions for ignoring a girl next to her at lunch, speaking about neopets. what. the. hell.
As we grow, we sort of seem to have missed that line that says "ok, you're passing that mark where things are fine and you're entering the land where you become cry0babies that buse the law system on petty things like name-calling".
Racism? Bad, be done away with. Ignorance? Bad, we're still working on that. "Social status", not even sure why or when that became a problem again in our times. Just that if you refer to a section as lower middle instead of like, non wealthy, they'll scream and cry at you.
Doesn't help the politically correct thing is jumping from non-offensive to, why did it change?
Zenos
January 31st, 2013, 02:27 PM
I think it's a good thing to a point. I think that people should always have their freedoms promised by the Constitution. But, as a famous and sadly very dead intelligent man named Oliver something or another said, "The right to swing my fist ends, where another mans nose begins." So, we should all the right to do what we want, until it intrudes on someone else's rights.
I'm sorry but if a person DESERVES my fist being swung their way,then they will get it planted on the end of their nose and hard too and i'm not going to be sorry for it.:D
StoppingTime
January 31st, 2013, 02:38 PM
I'm sorry but if a person DESERVES my fist being swung their way,then they will get it planted on the end of their nose and hard too and i'm not going to be sorry for it.:D
And who are you to decide when someone 'deserves' to be physically hit? Is that going to do anything more than say, "I don't know how to solve this problem between us, so I'm just going to physically attack you now."
And I bet you think you sound cool saying that. You'll stand up for yourself, you'll teach those people a lesson by hitting them. Just wait until you try and mess with the wrong person.
Lyra Heartstrings
January 31st, 2013, 04:27 PM
And who are you to decide when someone 'deserves' to be physically hit? Is that going to do anything more than say, "I don't know how to solve this problem between us, so I'm just going to physically attack you now."
And I bet you think you sound cool saying that. You'll stand up for yourself, you'll teach those people a lesson by hitting them. Just wait until you try and mess with the wrong person.
Steven is correct. Where does physical violence get you?
Jail.
The hospital.
acoffin
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 08:24 PM
And who are you to decide when someone 'deserves' to be physically hit? Is that going to do anything more than say, "I don't know how to solve this problem between us, so I'm just going to physically attack you now."
And I bet you think you sound cool saying that. You'll stand up for yourself, you'll teach those people a lesson by hitting them. Just wait until you try and mess with the wrong person.
LOL:rolleyes: If a person starts a fight with me,or jumps on someone for no reason then they deserve a fist across that face.
And like I have said before there are some people in this world that will not learn a lesson until it's delivered on the end of a fist.Thats a sad fact but a fact none the less and as soon as people realize this they'd stop letting people bully them and fight back!
man are teens today that pacified?
Steven is correct. Where does physical violence get you?
Jail.
The hospital.
acoffin
So what are you going to do run to mom and pops,or the teacher or other athourity figures all the time?
At some time you have to put on the big boy or big girl jeans and actually stand up and fight back.
Don't double post. --Lyra
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 09:20 PM
LOL:rolleyes: If a person starts a fight with me,or jumps on someone for no reason then they deserve a fist across that face.
And like I have said before there are some people in this world that will not learn a lesson until it's delivered on the end of a fist.Thats a sad fact but a fact none the less and as soon as people realize this they'd stop letting people bully them and fight back!
man are teens today that pacified?
So what are you going to do run to mom and pops,or the teacher or other athourity figures all the time?
At some time you have to put on the big boy or big girl jeans and actually stand up and fight back.
Don't double post. --Lyra
So are you going to get the shit beaten out of you all the time? Physical violence is stupid and it only gets you hurt. YOU do not have to take care of all your problems. It is okay to get help sometimes. I don't think you understand that. And I'm honestly quite confused as to why you see physical violence as a good thing. Do you enjoy "beating hoes up with your gang"? Or "smacking around a hater"? Because I presume you do.
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 09:27 PM
So are you going to get the shit beaten out of you all the time? Physical violence is stupid and it only gets you hurt. YOU do not have to take care of all your problems. It is okay to get help sometimes. I don't think you understand that. And I'm honestly quite confused as to why you see physical violence as a good thing. Do you enjoy "beating hoes up with your gang"? Or "smacking around a hater"? Because I presume you do.
Did i say I fighta ll the time? No i did not,and where the heck do you get this I enojy beating up hoes with my gang crap at?
1) I don't belong to a gang
2) real men don't beat women
3) I could care less about haters
Also I never said it was wrong to get help sometimes,i am just acknowldging the fact mommy and daddy is not goinmg to be there for a perosn all the time,and theres not always going to be Officer O'malley commin around the corner at the right moment,and that there are times you will have to stand up for yourself.
But all anyone here seems to be able to see is someone glorfying violence instead of the fact they are stating certain facts!
And whats wrong with me taking care of MY problems?
My cousin is right compared to his generation todays teens are perrty pacified
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 09:29 PM
Did i say I fighta ll the time? No i did not,and where the heck do you get this I enojy beating up hoes with my gang crap at?
1) I don't belong to a gang
2) real men don't beat women
3) I could care less about haters
Also I never said it was wrong to get help sometimes,i am just acknowldging the fact mommy and daddy is not goinmg to be there for a perosn all the time,and theres not always going to be Officer O'malley commin around the corner at the right moment,and that there are times you will have to stand up for yourself.
But all anyone here seems to be able to see is someone glorfying violence instead of the fact they are stating certain facts!
And whats wrong with me taking care of MY problems?
My cousin is right compared to his generation todays teens are perrty pacified
That killed your entire arguement. Saying "I'm right, your wrong!" only shows your immaturity.
I'm all for standing up for yourself.
Verbally.
Like civilized people.
We are not neanderthals. We do not fix everything by cutting each others dicks off. We are a civilized country, and a mostly civilized planet. And we need to act as such. If we talk it out and come to a solution both parties agree with, or agree to disagree with, it's far better than getting your little possie together and shanking whoever disagrees with you.
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 09:33 PM
That killed your entire arguement. Saying "I'm right, your wrong!" only shows your immaturity.
We are done here.
Wrong there was no arguement:rolleyes:
There was me saying that people should stand up for themselves,because there is not always going to be mom and pop,or the teacher or a cop or whoever around to help you,and you took it the wrong way and tried to argue a point that has nothing to do with what I was talking about,all because you did not get just what I was saying!
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 09:34 PM
Wrong there was no arguement:rolleyes:
There was me saying that people should stand up for themselves,because there is not always going to be mom and pop,or the teacher or a cop or whoever around to help you,and you took it the wrong way and tried to argue a point that has nothing to do with what I was talking about,all because you did not get just what I was saying!
..ROTW is an arguement in itself.
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 09:46 PM
..ROTW is an arguement in itself.
No offence but you appear to be the one looking for an arguement.
Not me:D I have nothing else to say I stated what i had to state that people should stand up for thmselves,and that there are times you "MUST" fight.
So there is no arguement happening!
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 09:51 PM
No offence but you appear to be the one looking for an arguement.
Not me:D I have nothing else to say I stated what i had to state that people should stand up for thmselves,and that there are times you "MUST" fight.
So there is no arguement happening!
You're in ROTW yet you don't want to debate.
Admitting you're wrong is the first step to acceptance.
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 09:57 PM
You're in ROTW yet you don't want to debate.
Admitting you're wrong is the first step to acceptance.
Wait wait wait!
I'm wrong for acknowldging the fact that sometimes we HAVE to stand up and fight for oursleves and for others?
What would you do if you saw some old homeless guy getting beat up and you had no service on your phone,and no want to contact the law,and no one else was there to stop it other then you?
thats the point i'm trying to make,you may be in a sitituaion where you have to get physical either for your own safety or that ot another person.
Or you implying i'd be in the worng for standing up for myself,or for sucha person in such a situtaion as implled in this post?
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 10:05 PM
Wait wait wait!
I'm wrong for acknowldging the fact that sometimes we HAVE to stand up and fight for oursleves and for others?
What would you do if you saw some old homeless guy getting beat up and you had no service on your phone,and no want to contact the law,and no one else was there to stop it other then you?
thats the point i'm trying to make,you may be in a sitituaion where you have to get physical either for your own safety or that ot another person.
Or you implying i'd be in the worng for standing up for myself,or for sucha person in such a situtaion as implled in this post?
You were implying you want to just beat the shit out of anyone who disagrees with you. You're only now bringing up this point. I'd tried to defend the homeless man. Anyone would. But you were, at least implying, that you would beat anyone who disagrees.
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 10:08 PM
You were implying you want to just beat the shit out of anyone who disagrees with you. You're only now bringing up this point. I'd tried to defend the homeless man. Anyone would. But you were, at least implying, that you would beat anyone who disagrees.
I never implied that i'd beat the shitouit of a person for disagreeing with me only that i'd pass a fist across their face it they deserved it,not if tghey disagreed with me.
If a perosn wants to jump on you for no reason then yes they do desreve to have a fist in the face.
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 10:10 PM
I never implied that i'd beat the shitouit of a person for disagreeing with me only that i'd pass a fist across their face it they deserved it,not if tghey disagreed with me.
If a perosn wants to jump on you for no reason then yes they do desreve to have a fist in the face.
It's what I gathered from your post.
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 10:11 PM
It's what I gathered from your post.
:what: instead of making a case for the Supreme Court,and acting as judge ,jury and high executioner,you could have simply asked me what i meant!
Look unlike most of the teens of our generation i was taught to stand on my own two feet and stand up for myself!
I wasn't given none of this PC brainwashing about don't stand up to bullies go tattle like a 5 year old stuff.
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 10:15 PM
:what: instead of making a case for the Supreme Court,and acting as judge ,jury and high executioner,you could have simply asked me what i meant!
Look unlike most of the teens of our generation i was taught to stand on my own two feet and stand up for myself!
I wasn't given none of this PC brainwashing about don't stand up to bullies go tattle like a 5 year old stuff.
How was I acting like..a supreme court judge? Isn't a debate about debating what you gather from someone else?
And it's not tattling. It's just being smart and not getting yourself in more trouble than you need to be in.
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 10:20 PM
How was I acting like..a supreme court judge? Isn't a debate about debating what you gather from someone else?
( LOL It was figure of speach meant to be a joke:D)
And it's not tattling. It's just being smart and not getting yourself in more trouble than you need to be in.
One thing I was taught was that sometimes you have to stand up for yourself even if you get in trouble for it and then accept responsibility for your actions,avoiding a right action..i.e. standing up to a bully and yes fighting with him or her just to avoid trouble with the teachers and principle does nothing but enable the continuation of a wrong,and it can damage the self esteem of the bullied person,by causing the bullying to get worse..
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 10:32 PM
One thing I was taught was that sometimes you have to stand up for yourself even if you get in trouble for it and then accept responsibility for your actions,avoiding a right action..i.e. standing up to a bully and yes fighting with him or her just to avoid trouble with the teachers and principle does nothing but enable the continuation of a wrong,and it can damage the self esteem of the bullied person,by causing the bullying to get worse..
..I'm sorry, what?
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 10:34 PM
..I'm sorry, what?
let me shorten it down for you,I tend to use a lot words to explain stuff!
Not standing up to a bully,but instead running to someone else condones the bullies actions and said bully is very likely to repeat it not merely on you but others where as standing up to them is very much likely to put a stop to their bullying!
And while yes you may get in trouble for fighting the bully you shoudl be willing to accept the responsibilty for fighting.
Most teens today would rather accept being bullied then risk getting in trouble for standing up for themselves!
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 10:35 PM
let me shorten it down for you,I tend to use a lot words to explain stuff!
Not standing up to a bully,but instead running to someone else condones the bullies actions and said bully is very likely to repeat it not merely on you but others where as standing up to them is very much likely to put a stop to their bullying!
Standing up to them verbally is safer than doing it physically.
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 10:38 PM
Standing up to them verbally is safer than doing it physically.
Thats the problem standing up to them verbally is a good thing but it's not going to stop them if they choose to keep bullying you.
I tried that verbal stuff once,that stopped when i ened up with a fist in the face,so it went to the next logical step my fist in his.
since then he has not tried to bully anyone else.
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 10:41 PM
Thats the problem standing up to them verbally is a good thing but it's not going to stop them if they choose to keep bullying you.
I tried that verbal stuff once,that stopped when i ened up with a fist in the face,so it went to the next logical step my fist in his.
since then he has not tried to bully anyone else.
If everyone solves their problems with violence, the world will end in anarchy. To keep a nation under a control, tolerance, and having the correct mindset, is necessary.
Zenos
February 1st, 2013, 10:54 PM
If everyone solves their problems with violence, the world will end in anarchy. To keep a nation under a control, tolerance, and having the correct mindset, is necessary.
:what: OMG! My generation is lost! Am I the only one in my generation that believes it's right to stand up for yourself,and others even if it means getting physical,and even getting in trouble for doing the right thing?
Is everyone else in my generation to scared to get physcial when and if it's needed?
Is it that hard to understand that there are times when things can only be resolved by the use of the fist because we don't live in this "set around the camp fire holding hands singing Kumbaya kinda world?"
Lyra Heartstrings
February 1st, 2013, 10:59 PM
:what: OMG! My generation is lost! Am I the only one in my generation that believes it's right to stand up for yourself,and others even if it means getting physical,and even getting in trouble for doing the right thing?
Is everyone else in my generation to scared to get physcial when and if it's needed?
Is it that hard to understand that there are times when things can only be resolved by the use of the fist because we don't live in this "set around the camp fire holding hands singing Kumbaya kinda world?"
I'm sorry that your a minority in your generation, and that only YOU are right, and that only YOU know the true path to life itself, and only YOU will ever do anything with your life. I recognized the fact that, sometimes, we need to use physical violence..
You were implying you want to just beat the shit out of anyone who disagrees with you. You're only now bringing up this point. I'd tried to defend the homeless man. Anyone would. But you were, at least implying, that you would beat anyone who disagrees.
Right there. However, you have not recognized my side one bit, and stuck to your arguement.
HowlingSnail
February 2nd, 2013, 09:51 PM
I do feel like it's impossible to say things nowadays. Like last year when David Cameron got in trouble for telling a female MP to "calm down dear". Nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but apparently it was sexist.
Zenos
February 4th, 2013, 11:55 AM
I don't think you understand. In the 70s, homophobia and racism were rampant, more so than they are now. We have evolved as humans and accepted both gays and blacks. I don't understand why you would argue that the terms dying, both incredibly offensive and discriminatory, is in any way helpful to society.
thats true to "us",but 200-300 years down the road they maybe claiming the early 21st century was the most violent,racisim ridden era in American History.
PinkFloyd
February 4th, 2013, 12:07 PM
It's a bad thing. I mean I get offended by words to easily. If some random guy called my girlfriend a whore, I'd probably punch him in the face! I would do that because I have grown up in a generation that is infamous for acting like that.
Zenos
February 4th, 2013, 12:21 PM
It's a bad thing. I mean I get offended by words to easily. If some random guy called my girlfriend a whore, I'd probably punch him in the face! I would do that because I have grown up in a generation that is infamous for acting like that.
Well if a guy doesn't stand up for the person he's dating,theres not much to him.
workingatperfect
February 4th, 2013, 02:49 PM
I think it's a good thing that we've become more sensitive to other people's feelings and because racist, homophobic, sexist etc. I mean, it's a good thing that people are trying to be less offensive.
However, I think it's silly that people are so sensitive, as far as like, their own feelings. I definitely think people are too sensitive and to easily offended now a days.
PinkFloyd
February 4th, 2013, 05:02 PM
Well if a guy doesn't stand up for the person he's dating,theres not much to him.
Yeah that is true.
Majin Vegeta
February 6th, 2013, 02:47 PM
I'm politically incorrect but it doesn't mean I'm offensive or insulting (for most things)
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