The steps to abortion

[TheBigUnit]

So I really don't want this to be a pro-life/pro-abortion debate but rather what would you do if you ran a state that just passed some pro abortion law, some states in the USA have a process where you can walk in and abort the fetus, other states, the more conservative ones you can also say, have a huge process where you have to listen to the babies heatbeat, see it on a monitor, and they may even set a charge where it hits the baby's reflex and you will feel the baby kick, what do you think ur state should do?
Also do you think underage kids could get an abortion without consent?

[Lost in the Echo]

Well, I would make abortion legal under some circumstances, and illegal under others.

I would allow abortion to be legal, if the girl was raped, or if the baby would have deformities, etc.

I would make abortion illegal, if the sex that created the baby, was consensual.

So basically, i'd make abortion legal if the woman was raped.
And i'd make abortion illegal, if the creation of the baby, was consensual.

[Skyline]

I would would make abortion legal under the circumstances that both parent agree... I would not want a baby born into a world when their parents cannot support them...

[FreeFall]

The process I see?

Underage kids will not need consent. Their body is still their body, their reproductive organs as well. Their parents had their say in their breeding, they do not get one in their child's.

I would not go through that torture in the guise of "are you really, really, really, really, really, really, really sure you want to be a murderer?"
If the woman's there, one needs to hope she struggled enough and fought with herself enough already. No need to throw in, look! It has...toes! Can you kill things with toes, you vile beast that is woman? Besides that, we already have protests outside of PP. I went in a few times, not for abortion or anything pregnancy related. Those picketers with their loving ways called me a vile, filthy, whore who is satan's mistress. I wasn't even there for anything but a check-up. Not sure if I could have anything passed to keep those people away, but if the women can walk past them, they've walked past enough already.

Edit: because my comprehension skills suck D:

[Lyra Heartstrings]

I don't think you two saw his point. He's asking about the process of the abortion.
Personally, I believe it should be just remove the fetus and get on with it. Making the parents feel like shit over it will not help anyone.

[Gigablue]

I think you should be able to go and get an abortion without too much complicating it. I think the states that force you to see images of it and force you to undergo unnecessary tests are just being cruel and misogynyistic. I also don't think parental consent should be required. It's their body, so it's their choice, not their parents.

[TheBigUnit]

I personally would have the patient think it over if she really was ready for it, I feel some steps certain states does is pretty cruel,
As for me depending how the abortion will be done I'd have the parents know, like if you can pull out the fetus without anything else occuring, like severe bleeding or prescription medication, then don't tell the parents, the thing is though the parents are the caretakers of their child and what happens if there is some complication

[Wrestler0821]

Abortion is wrong but the government and other people should stay out of a woman's body.

[georgiamay]

Underage kids should definitely not need parental consent. It would put the mother under so much unnecessary stress, and she's probably already got enough to deal with. Plus, the parents shouldn't have any rights over their child's reproductive organs. A 14 year old girl being forced to give birth because her parents wouldn't give permission for her to have an abortion? No thanks.

I do think you should have to explain why you want an abortion to a doctor first, but more of a formality than anything else. The doctor shouldn't ask any other questions, and accept the reason given. It's only to make sure there is actually a reason. If it's good enough for the mother, it should be good enough for the doctor. After that they just take the fetus out. Simple.

[Lyra Heartstrings]

Abortion is wrong but the government and other people should stay out of a woman's body.

If the woman doesn't want the baby, who says she has to have it?

[ProudConservative]

I think there should be a huge process. Having an abortion is taking away potential, but it goes both ways. Anyways, I believe that abortion may only go into the process when the mothers life is in danger, and rape. Those are the only processes I would allow.

Also, you would have to pay for it all by yourself, you want the government out of your body, fine, so then why does the government (not to mention the people who don't want their taxes going to it) have to pay for contraceptives and abortions?

P.S. Sorry if this post goes overboard/ breaks the rules.

[Jess]

The process should not be complicated. A woman should be able to get one without any unnecessary tests or get forced to look at images.

Underage girls should not need their parents' consent. Why should someone so young -- like a 13 year old -- be forced to give birth just because her parents would not allow it?

[FreeFall]

As for me depending how the abortion will be done I'd have the parents know, like if you can pull out the fetus without anything else occuring, like severe bleeding or prescription medication, then don't tell the parents, the thing is though the parents are the caretakers of their child and what happens if there is some complication
It's one thing for the parents to know, but it's another for them to impose and force a drastic change of life onto their child by their own means of denial.
You're very right about the complications though, and their responsibility to the child, which should be dealt with if they arise.

And pull out the fetus? Dear sir, I'm pro-choice, but those are not words one would typically use in description of an abortion. The fetus is not a splinter.

[Kriss41]

I believe abortion is wrong. But the reasons are very interesting.
My boyfriend's mother is a bitch. She aborted three other kids, and she's only 33. Her eldest, my boyfriend, is 17. Not too big of an age gap. She tried to abort him, but the doctors wouldn't allow it. She was too far along. She tried to kill him herself, taking drugs and drinking alcohol. His grandparents (guardians at the moment) say he's lucky he doesn't have any deformities.
I believe, if the woman has sex by herself under consent, I believe abortion is wrong. If she is raped and concieves, that is up to her. I never liked it, I find it to be murder. But I don't think the woman doing it is some form of witch as you, FreeFall, explained whilst explaining your opinion on abortion.
If you support it, good for you. But abortion is a very tender subject to me, knowing my boyfriend's mother almost killed my boyfriend.

[Lyra Heartstrings]

I believe abortion is wrong. But the reasons are very interesting.
My boyfriend's mother is a bitch. She aborted three other kids, and she's only 33. Her eldest, my boyfriend, is 17. Not too big of an age gap. She tried to abort him, but the doctors wouldn't allow it. She was too far along. She tried to kill him herself, taking drugs and drinking alcohol. His grandparents (guardians at the moment) say he's lucky he doesn't have any deformities.
I believe, if the woman has sex by herself under consent, I believe abortion is wrong. If she is raped and concieves, that is up to her. I never liked it, I find it to be murder. But I don't think the woman doing it is some form of witch as you, FreeFall, explained whilst explaining your opinion on abortion.
If you support it, good for you. But abortion is a very tender subject to me, knowing my boyfriend's mother almost killed my boyfriend.

Normally, I get quite upset when people are against abortion. You're one of the few valid reasons I have seen. I respect you. A lot.

[Kriss41]

Oh, thank you Blake. :)
Usually people are all 'youre just trying to get attention er whatever' but I could care less for attention. I appreciate your post. :)

[georgiamay]

If you think abortion is wrong except in rape, I'm sorry but I can't understand that. You either think the woman can choose, or you think it's wrong all the time, and the woman cannot choose to have an abortion. What gives you the right to say one person can have an abortion but someone else can't? What gives anyone the right to decide what scenerio is "acceptable"?

If you believe it's murder, why is murder okay in certain senarios? You can say "yeah but she was raped," but it's still murder, you're still killing an unborn child. There are no grey areas with this. As I've said, either the mother decides whether or not to have an abortion, whatever the reason is, or it is wrong in all cases.

Can I just say that I'm pro-choice, but I respect pro-life opinions (to an extent) because I realise that people have different ideas about when life starts and if it's murder or not etc, but I don't respect opinions that make no logical sense at all.

[FreeFall]

If you think abortion is wrong except in rape, I'm sorry but I can't understand that. You either think the woman can choose, or you think it's wrong all the time, and the woman cannot choose to have an abortion. What gives you the right to say one person can have an abortion but someone else can't? What gives anyone the right to decide what scenerio is "acceptable"?

If you believe it's murder, why is murder okay in certain senarios? You can say "yeah but she was raped," but it's still murder, you're still killing an unborn child. There are no grey areas with this. As I've said, either the mother decides whether or not to have an abortion, whatever the reason is, or it is wrong in all cases.

Can I just say that I'm pro-choice, but I respect pro-life opinions (to an extent) because I realise that people have different ideas about when life starts and if it's murder or not etc, but I don't respect opinions that make no logical sense at all.
Someone explained that to me in a way that made sense;
The "true" pro-life stance doesn't care about the fetus itself as its own original being. If they're moving against abortion, they'd have the sense that fetus is a fetus is a fetus and there's no discrimination or picking cherries at it. Either its a fetus or it isn't, not like you go up to people who are products of rape and spit at them, saying their mother's would have had full right to have had aborted them, they are worthless and traumatic and come from apathy. A person who knows they came from rape, already has an awful life, why slap them in the face with that "raped women can have full rights to abortion and only them", you're indirectly telling all of those people who already carry the sins of their rapist parent, they should be grateful in a sense their mother either couldn't get an abortion or chose not to, or that their unwilling father couldn't force his rapist to abort. It says you're less valuable, you're not a fetus worthy of fighting for, you're a life that had right to be terminated. You cannot tell a rape fetus from a fetus of consent, you cannot determine which fetus is more worthy of having their mother carry them to term by choice or against their will.
It's the fact one woman spread her legs versus the other that had no choice. One said, yes I take risk of pregnancy. The other said nothing and to force her to term would be like rape all over again, if the process of determining she was indeed raped didn't already.
Yet, a fetus is a fetus and the would be patients are women with lives and health to consider. They are not different from each other, it does not matter how the fetus got there, how the fetus came to be, just that they are pregnant women with heavy hearts. Very few women walk into a clinic and come out without a care, it's rare to see one that will. The notion that they can, that it's easy, is not applicable to the majority, simply a tiny amount.

Because in America, at least here, the victim-shaming and slut shaming is in its ultimate high. We have rings of fire, pools filled with sharks that have lasers on their heads, walls with spikes, and apathetic lawyers, methods that don't seem to help a rape victim, rather these methods seem to try to prove they weren't raped and they're just crying wolf. We, in a sense, force them to relive their trauma and pick it a part. Anyone with a heart, knows one does not pick a part a traumatized person to prove they're no traumatized, but liars.
It's actually getting to the point, the sickening awful point, that people would open their arms to a rapist and sneer at the rape victim, regardless of gender. All because the courts can come up with the crafty scheme of a "lover scorned playing rape to ruin his life".

By and by though, that " abortion in case of rape" does NOT work as easy as it sounds.

27 states allow the rapist to gain custody and visitation of the child they produced through rape.
They allow the rapist, now, to have a say in whether his victim can abort his child or not. Just like a husband.
Yet if a woman rapes a man, he gets no say in her keeping it, aborting it or forcing child support from him if she wins the case.


So there's another point for me in the hypothetical process.

The only consent needed, is that of the expecting woman. Not the parents, not the guardians, not the church, not the rapist. Just her voice and her's alone.

[Human]

I would would make abortion legal under the circumstances that both parent agree... I would not want a baby born into a world when their parents cannot support them...

I agree
maybe only legal if it was rape or the baby will have a disease or something and the parents don't want to put it through that