Screwed Up Religion

[Spook]

Okay; I am an Athiest. The more I look into Christianity, though; the more I'm decisive of being an Athiest.

I recently came across a website bible sayings, specifically about women. According to the bible, women are "property", and they must obey and worship their male significant other. Women are also not allowed to speak in churches, nor serve as Pastor. According to the bible, women came from men and were made for man; so we should serve them. During sex, a woman is made to please man and disregard herself. Women may not teach nor hold any authority over men. Women are of "use" only for sex and motherhood.

"Timothy 2:12- I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

Personally, I am completely outraged at the thinking people express. We are humans, not property. I may be a little biased because I am a woman, but I find it mindblowing that anybody would actually agree with this. The bible feels like a mixture of disagreeing messages. Disagreeing in the sense that the bible says "God loves every human equally." While elsewhere in the bible it states handicapped people, crippled people, bastard children, people with blemishes, etc. are "not welcome in God's home."

Example: "Leviticus 21:17-21: Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God."

What about gay people, bisexual people, people with mental illnesses? I'm assuming they aren't welcome either. The bible states that:

"Leviticus 18 and 20- If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Now we're making death threats against homosexual people.

Not even to mention athiests, like me: apparently we are "wicked" and should be put to death.

Personally, I believe that christianity (or any religion for that matter) is just a tool to cover up something we can't explain. We can't explain how the world was made, that must mean a dude in the sky sculpted it! We can't explain how man was made? A dude mixed salt and clay, blew on it, and made it move. There's hardly logic. Now that science comes closer to understanding the true creation of the earth, something called "faith" is introduced. As in, this thing called science is a test and we must believe at all costs that the guy in the sky is really there.

People are just stubborn. If we choose to believe something, it must be real. It is the only answer.

Alot of Christians may respond "But that isn't really God's word, people wrote the bible!" Okay, picture this: 5 guys make up a magical land of ponies and rainbows and decide to write a book about it. People start reading the book, and it becomes a big thing. Scientists try to prove that the ponies and rainbows don't exist, but these 5 men and all of their followers have 'faith.' Ponies and rainbows do exist! They do!

[Zenos]

Okay; I am an Athiest. The more I look into Christianity, though; the more I'm decisive of being an Athiest.

I recently came across a website bible sayings, specifically about women. According to the bible, women are "property", and they must obey and worship their male significant other. Women are also not allowed to speak in churches, nor serve as Pastor. According to the bible, women came from men and were made for man; so we should serve them. During sex, a woman is made to please man and disregard herself. Women may not teach nor hold any authority over men. Women are of "use" only for sex and motherhood.

"Timothy 2:12- I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

Personally, I am completely outraged at the thinking people express. We are humans, not property. I may be a little biased because I am a woman, but I find it mindblowing that anybody would actually agree with this. The bible feels like a mixture of disagreeing messages. Disagreeing in the sense that the bible says "God loves every human equally." While elsewhere in the bible it states handicapped people, crippled people, bastard children, people with blemishes, etc. are "not welcome in God's home."

Example: "Leviticus 21:17-21: Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God."

What about gay people, bisexual people, people with mental illnesses? I'm assuming they aren't welcome either. The bible states that:

"Leviticus 18 and 20- If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Now we're making death threats against homosexual people.

Not even to mention athiests, like me: apparently we are "wicked" and should be put to death.

Personally, I believe that christianity (or any religion for that matter) is just a tool to cover up something we can't explain. We can't explain how the world was made, that must mean a dude in the sky sculpted it! We can't explain how man was made? A dude mixed salt and clay, blew on it, and made it move. There's hardly logic. Now that science comes closer to understanding the true creation of the earth, something called "faith" is introduced. As in, this thing called science is a test and we must believe at all costs that the guy in the sky is really there.

People are just stubborn. If we choose to believe something, it must be real. It is the only answer.

Alot of Christians may respond "But that isn't really God's word, people wrote the bible!" Okay, picture this: 5 guys make up a magical land of ponies and rainbows and decide to write a book about it. People start reading the book, and it becomes a big thing. Scientists try to prove that the ponies and rainbows don't exist, but these 5 men and all of their followers have 'faith.' Ponies and rainbows do exist! They do!



Now before people start crying that i'm bashing the bible and Christianity and start negging me :rolleyes: first ACTUALLY READ what I am saying with an open mind and then read the links I am previding below!

The thing is that most of the New Testament is eitrher based on the Teachings of Paul (who the Apsotles themseleves where divided over as accepting) or where wrtten by people who where influenced by Paul.

It must also be understood that Paul was a follower of Traditional Jewish religion ,and that Christianity was considered a Radical Sect of the Jewish religion,and paul thought it was a danger to his religion,then he suddenly had his conversion experience after a long time persecuting the followers of Christ.

Basically the way i view it he infiltrated,and preempted the religious sect founded by Jesus aka Yeshua (which I feel was a REFORM MOVEMENT and reforming Judiaism as Yeshua felt is had strayed from it's teachings) and put his spin on what Jesus/Yeshua was saying and gave the world his on version of Yeshuas teachings in what became Pauline Chrsitianity.

I'll explain a bit about Pauline Christianity using and citing sources:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Christianity



Pauline Christianity is a term used to refer to the Christianity associated with the beliefs and doctrines espoused by Paul the Apostle through his writings. Orthodox Christianity relies heavily on these teachings and considers them to be amplifications and explanations of the teachings of Jesus.

Others, as detailed below, perceive in Paul's writings, teachings that are different from the original teachings of Jesus documented in the canonical gospels, early Acts and the rest of the New Testament, such as the Epistle of James.

Proponents of the perceived, distinctive Pauline form of Christianity, include Marcion of Sinope, the 2nd century theologian and excommunicated heresiarch, who asserted that Paul was the only apostle who had rightly understood the new message of salvation as delivered by Jesus Christ.

Opponents of the same era include the Ebionites and Nazarenes, Jewish Christians who rejected Paul for straying from Second Temple Judaism. Pauline Christianity, as an expression, first came into use in the 20th century among scholars who proposed different strands of thought within Early Christianity, wherein Paul was a powerful influence.



Pauline Christianity is a term applied to what some perceive as the religious teaching unique to Paul’s writings and distinct from the gospel of Jesus. That is, Jesus taught one thing, and Paul taught something completely different. Those who believe in a separate Pauline Christianity believe that the Christianity of today has little to do with Jesus’ teachings; rather, it is the product of Paul’s corruption of those teachings.



You might wnat to check the following as well:

http://30ce.com/paulinechristianity.htm



Also

The Apostle Paul Founder of Christianity


http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/paul/paul.htm


and

Types of Christianity in History

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_historical.html

[PerpetualImperfexion]

First of all those verses were taken from the old testament. In the new testament it talks about how Jesus loves everyone and I remember a verse in Jude that says "Be merciful to those who doubt."(Atheists) Although that it is a contradiction, I'm fairly certain that the new testament overrides the old.

Secondly most Christians don't exactly live by those verses. A lot of Christians are accepting of gays, who cares about the ones that don't(they don't deserve the attention) Unless I missed something only Catholics and LCMS don't allow women to preach. That is a part of their denomination. If you have a problem with it go to another denomination.

That brings me to my third point. You stated you were an atheist, so why does it even matter(It's not like you have a problem with YOUR church)? I suppose if you want to judge Christians by picking out the most aggressive bible verses fine by me, but it's your loss.

EDIT: I agree that religion is just a way to explain things that was created before the idea of science was mainstream. Never the less I remain neutral on religion simply because I can't prove anything one way or the other.

[Zenos]

First of all those verses were taken from the old testament. In the new testament it talks about how Jesus loves everyone and I remember a verse in Jude that says "Be merciful to those who doubt."(Atheists) Although that it is a contradiction, I'm fairly certain that the new testament overrides the old.

Secondly most Christians don't exactly live by those verses. A lot of Christians are accepting of gays, who cares about the ones that don't(they don't deserve the attention) Unless I missed something only Catholics and LCMS don't allow women to preach. That is a part of their denomination. If you have a problem with it go to another denomination.

That brings me to my third point. You stated you were an atheist, so why does it even matter(It's not like you have a problem with YOUR church)? I suppose if you want to judge Christians by picking out the most aggressive bible verses fine by me, but it's your loss.

EDIT: I agree that religion is just a way to explain things that was created before the idea of science was mainstream. Never the less I remain neutral on religion simply because I can't prove anything one way or the other.


I doubt that versus applies to Athiests,more likeliy to Agnostics.

Seeing as Athiests do not believe in any form of Deity,where as it's the Agnostics who are not sure about deity and hence doubt!

[Gigablue]

First of all those verses were taken from the old testament. In the new testament it talks about how Jesus loves everyone and I remember a verse in Jude that says "Be merciful to those who doubt."(Atheists) Although that it is a contradiction, I'm fairly certain that the new testament overrides the old.

In the New Testament, Jesus specifically states that the laws of the Old Testament are still valid.

Secondly most Christians don't exactly live by those verses. A lot of Christians are accepting of gays, who cares about the ones that don't(they don't deserve the attention) Unless I missed something only Catholics and LCMS don't allow women to preach. That is a part of their denomination. If you have a problem with it go to another denomination.

Many people still believe in it. There is still hatred towards gays, and it invariably stems from religion.

That brings me to my third point. You stated you were an atheist, so why does it even matter(It's not like you have a problem with YOUR church)? I suppose if you want to judge Christians by picking out the most aggressive bible verses fine by me, but it's your loss.

Since many people believe this, and since they try to impose their values on others, I think it should be looked at critically.

[Cicero]

Okay; I am an Athiest. The more I look into Christianity, though; the more I'm decisive of being an Athiest.

I recently came across a website bible sayings, specifically about women. According to the bible, women are "property", and they must obey and worship their male significant other. Women are also not allowed to speak in churches, nor serve as Pastor. According to the bible, women came from men and were made for man; so we should serve them. During sex, a woman is made to please man and disregard herself. Women may not teach nor hold any authority over men. Women are of "use" only for sex and motherhood.



Personally, I am completely outraged at the thinking people express. We are humans, not property. I may be a little biased because I am a woman, but I find it mindblowing that anybody would actually agree with this. The bible feels like a mixture of disagreeing messages. Disagreeing in the sense that the bible says "God loves every human equally." While elsewhere in the bible it states handicapped people, crippled people, bastard children, people with blemishes, etc. are "not welcome in God's home."

Example: "Leviticus 21:17-21: Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God."

What about gay people, bisexual people, people with mental illnesses? I'm assuming they aren't welcome either. The bible states that:

"Leviticus 18 and 20- If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Now we're making death threats against homosexual people.

Not even to mention athiests, like me: apparently we are "wicked" and should be put to death.

Personally, I believe that christianity (or any religion for that matter) is just a tool to cover up something we can't explain. We can't explain how the world was made, that must mean a dude in the sky sculpted it! We can't explain how man was made? A dude mixed salt and clay, blew on it, and made it move. There's hardly logic. Now that science comes closer to understanding the true creation of the earth, something called "faith" is introduced. As in, this thing called science is a test and we must believe at all costs that the guy in the sky is really there.

People are just stubborn. If we choose to believe something, it must be real. It is the only answer.

Alot of Christians may respond "But that isn't really God's word, people wrote the bible!" Okay, picture this: 5 guys make up a magical land of ponies and rainbows and decide to write a book about it. People start reading the book, and it becomes a big thing. Scientists try to prove that the ponies and rainbows don't exist, but these 5 men and all of their followers have 'faith.' Ponies and rainbows do exist! They do!

I love how you took some of this out of context. There are a lot of meanings, phrases, and words that meant something then, but mean something different now. Just how gay 50 years ago meant happy, now means a homosexual.
"Timothy 2:12- I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."
When he says this, he is talking about women preaching. Being pastors, priests, etc. God put the men in charge of being the teacher/preacher. Not that women can't teach Sunday school or anything, it means that men are like the Shepard. The man is supposed to lead. It's not meaning the woman is below the man, it just means that she shouldn't teach the word of God in the way of being a leader.

You are interpreting it differently than what it should be interpreted as. And I'm not going to get into what the bible says over homosexuality because Olly and I tend to butt heads (not like that's bad, Tigerboy ;)) and there may be different interpretations.

[Zenos]

I love how you took some of this out of context. There are a lot of meanings, phrases, and words that meant something then, but mean something different now. Just how gay 50 years ago meant happy, now means a homosexual.

When he says this, he is talking about women preaching. Being pastors, priests, etc. God put the men in charge of being the teacher/preacher. Not that women can't teach Sunday school or anything, it means that men are like the Shepard. The man is supposed to lead. It's not meaning the woman is below the man, it just means that she shouldn't teach the word of God in the way of being a leader.

You are interpreting it differently than what it should be interpreted as. And I'm not going to get into what the bible says over homosexuality because Olly and I tend to butt heads (not like that's bad, Tigerboy ;)) and there may be different interpretations.


Yeh and men are supposed to be the head of the household and family and the provider for and protector of the family according to the bible and modern christianity ,but we see how thats all screwed up!

[Gigablue]

I love how you took some of this out of context. There are a lot of meanings, phrases, and words that meant something then, but mean something different now. Just how gay 50 years ago meant happy, now means a homosexual.

There are plenty of bible verses that are completely unambiguous. Some of it may have changed meaning over the years, but a lot hasn't.

When he says this, he is talking about women preaching. Being pastors, priests, etc. God put the men in charge of being the teacher/preacher. Not that women can't teach Sunday school or anything, it means that men are like the Shepard. The man is supposed to lead. It's not meaning the woman is below the man, it just means that she shouldn't teach the word of God in the way of being a leader.

Isn't that incredibly outdated and sexist? There is no reason that woman can't do those things. Why should we listen to a book that treats women so horribly?

[FreeFall]

Religion is a coping and security tool. Why'd that happen? Look to god/faith. How come!? look to god/faith. It's a toddler with their lovey. It gives the people comfort, security and a sense of stability. When they feel lost, confused or need hope, they can always turn to god and regain those sense.

It's nothing to shame those people for either. If we don't know the answer, we answer with what we feel makes sense to us. For them, god. For others, science. For some, guessing. It's not real to you? Fine. It's real to them though, and if they're not hurting you, let them alone.

The verses through the years have been interpreted to mean multiple things by multiple people. That's how we got extremists, they took it one way and took it too damn far. It's obvious though, the true meaning of some of them and I don't disagree. But this was, supposed to be and originally, written during the time where a mule and a woman were pretty much the same thing. You just could make kids with one. There are a few known contradictions in the bible, both in the old and new there's no doubt in that. But they, typically and usually, won't change the verses, because that's the word of god and would be blasphemous.

I've seen women pastors/leaders. I've seen gays being hugged by the preachers and baptized.
It depends on where you're looking. If you're looking where they're hard stone rigid and the women must wear floor length skirts, you'll find very little love for anyone not of their kind. If you look to where they teach god loves any and all no matter who they are, even sinners, you've a chance to find women and gays and mean all treating each other with the same respect and love.

[Jess]

Yeah unfortunately the Bible says those things. But in this time period, the 21st century, most people don't really follow those sexist "rules" or whatever. Or they're interpreted differently...

But I do agree that religion was created to explain things. Like how the world was made. I mean, we used to not know how lightning was formed -- we used the idea of gods/goddess to explain such a thing (in this case, Zeus, a Greek god)...how is it any different with religions like Christianity?

But all to their own -- if they want to believe in a deity that BAM created the world...fine with me. *shrugs*

[Cicero]

Yeh and men are supposed to be the head of the household and family and the provider for and protector of the family according to the bible and modern christianity ,but we see how thats all screwed up!

Is it bad that the men want to protect the family and provide? Honestly, I don't see a problem with what you said. My grandparents were like that and my grandma loved it, my grandpa worked his ass off and spoiled my grandma with the finest furs, all the new Cadillacs, and random, surprising presents. Is that so bad? Does that really sound like a bad living condition for my grandma?

When I get older, my wife is going to be the one being home with the kids while I work. The mother figure is very important, even more important than the father figure. But both are very important. When I get older, I work, my wife stays home. I don't want her to have to work, I want her to enjoy being home with the kids. Then when I get home, I'll do the cooking for the family. I'm going to be the one getting my wife the finest fur coats and nice cars.

I honestly don't think that the woman should be the male figure of the family while the father is the female of the family.

There are plenty of bible verses that are completely unambiguous. Some of it may have changed meaning over the years, but a lot hasn't.



Isn't that incredibly outdated and sexist? There is no reason that woman can't do those things. Why should we listen to a book that treats women so horribly?

And the bible doesn't treat women horribly. The bible says that a male should be the leder of the church. So when you say "why should we...", its not we as in you and everyone else, it's the Christians. It should be "Why should they...".

No it's not sexist.

Do not double post ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[Jess]

And the bible doesn't treat women horribly. The bible says that a male should be the leder of the church. So when you say "why should we...", its not we as in you and everyone else, it's the Christians. It should be "Why should they...".

No it's not sexist.

Are you sure the Bible doesn't treat women horribly?

Ex:

Leviticus 12:1-8 Deuteronomy 22:13-22 Women, be sure to keep the tokens of your virginity. Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death. This does not apply to men though. It also says: “that if a man hateth his wife he may say she did not have the tokens of her virginity”. Since there is no way a woman can truly prove she had a hymen upon marriage the word rests on the husband and she can be disposed of simply when he tires of her.

I know it's in the Old Testament...but it's still in the bible.

[Spook]

I found alot of your posts very interesting and worthy of thinking about. It may be true the bible is twisted and propheted in the extremes, however, being an athiest; what a book says doesn't really change the fact that, like FreeFall said, Religion is a security blanket.

Since many people believe this, and since they try to impose their values on others, I think it should be looked at critically.

Thanks for this. You said it better than I could have. :D

[Human]

I agree with you, the more I look at religions, especially Christianity, I see why I am atheist. Sometimes I look at Islam and think it's better.

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=Cicero;2113239]Is it bad that the men want to protect the family and provide? Honestly, I don't see a problem with what you said. My grandparents were like that and my grandma loved it, my grandpa worked his ass off and spoiled my grandma with the finest furs, all the new Cadillacs, and random, surprising presents. Is that so bad? Does that really sound like a bad living condition for my grandma?

When I get older, my wife is going to be the one being home with the kids while I work. The mother figure is very important, even more important than the father figure. But both are very important. When I get older, I work, my wife stays home. I don't want her to have to work, I want her to enjoy being home with the kids. Then when I get home, I'll do the cooking for the family. I'm going to be the one getting my wife the finest fur coats and nice cars.

I honestly don't think that the woman should be the male figure of the family while the father is the female of the family.

(Dude I never said it was a bad thing,just that in todays society its all screwed up)



And the bible doesn't treat women horribly. The bible says that a male should be the leder of the church. So when you say "why should we...", its not we as in you and everyone else, it's the Christians. It should be "Why should they...".

No it's not sexist.

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[Gigablue]

Is it bad that the men want to protect the family and provide? Honestly, I don't see a problem with what you said. My grandparents were like that and my grandma loved it, my grandpa worked his ass off and spoiled my grandma with the finest furs, all the new Cadillacs, and random, surprising presents. Is that so bad? Does that really sound like a bad living condition for my grandma?

When I get older, my wife is going to be the one being home with the kids while I work. The mother figure is very important, even more important than the father figure. But both are very important. When I get older, I work, my wife stays home. I don't want her to have to work, I want her to enjoy being home with the kids. Then when I get home, I'll do the cooking for the family. I'm going to be the one getting my wife the finest fur coats and nice cars.

I honestly don't think that the woman should be the male figure of the family while the father is the female of the family.

There's nothing wrong with it if a man wants to work and his wife wants to raise the kids, but they shouldn't be forced to do it that way. My mother was always the one who worked in my family, and my father stayed home. I think that works just as well. If someone wants to have a career, who are you to tell them they can't just because of their gender?

And the bible doesn't treat women horribly. The bible says that a male should be the leder of the church. So when you say "why should we...", its not we as in you and everyone else, it's the Christians. It should be "Why should they...".

No it's not sexist.

Have you ever read the bible. It's possibly the most sexist book ever written.

1 Timothy 2:12 (NIV)
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (NIV)
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Genesis 3:16 (NIV)
To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”

Ephesians 5:22-24 (NIV)
Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

[Cicero]

There's nothing wrong with it if a man wants to work and his wife wants to raise the kids, but they shouldn't be forced to do it that way. My mother was always the one who worked in my family, and my father stayed home. I think that works just as well. If someone wants to have a career, who are you to tell them they can't just because of their gender?



Have you ever read the bible. It's possibly the most sexist book ever written.

1 Timothy 2:12 (NIV)
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (NIV)
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Genesis 3:16 (NIV)
To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”

Ephesians 5:22-24 (NIV)
Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

The genesis quote was talking about when Eve took a bite of the apple and the others are regarding the Jewish church for the rules back in the day

[Kriss41]

I am a Jehovah's Witness.
We believe in the Bible, and we do not support bisexuality/homosexuality. It's only because we believe the human nature is made to love each other as different sexes. Not same sex. If you or others support it, that is fantastic for you. I am not here to convert you to some religion you do not agree with.
We do not believe women and men are higher or lower than the other. We simply believe that men take the lead. Like, when you're taking a hike and someone shows you the way. That's kind of how it is here, because "God is the head of Christ, in turn Christ is the head of Man, in turn Man is the head of Woman, in turn Woman is head of the house."
We use the Bible entitled "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures." That's just a newer-English translation, known for it's closest randition from the Hebrew/Greek scriptures. Where it says in 1st Timothy that a woman must be silent, rather it says she must not be a priest. She can teach, like a man. But a man teaches the congregation.
A Bible scollar once said of the arrangement "A man is set as head because they are more able to hold responcabilities of others on their shoulders. Women are very emotional, and some can easily crack under pressure. Men are more viable to not sugar-coating things, or better being brash where they need to be. Women are better comforters, and can easily relate to problems. But a leader has to be able to take head, not just sit and comfort others."
A man is the leader, but he is not above the woman. The only ones above women and men alike are Christ, with God as his leader.
Above all, we only believe that homosexuality is unnatural, and we're all equal with our hiking guide taking the lead. :)
If this doesn't make sense, I'm sorry. I'll explain a little better if you wish.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Yeah. It's a prehistoric form of science that's been out of date since the 19th century.
Religion is for cavemen who don't know that we can't explain everything at the moment.
BTw I believe in the Big Bang Theory. (Not the show, but I really enjoy watching it )
Especially looking at Islam and Catholicism, I see dumb junk in religion that makes no sense I read the first 15 pages of the bible and thought it was bullcorn.
When it talks about how earth was formed I'm like are you DEMENTED writer?

[Cadbury-Monster]

Religious books are the biggest heap of utter crap ever written. However, I like to look on the creation of Eve thus: She was taken as a part of Adam and improved. Man couldn't live without her.
The whole death to homosexuals is tripe, as is 'women should not be preachers'. Who, pray, determines this? God? What God? As far as I'm aware there's never been any solid evidence of an entity upon earth. Religion was brought about to combat fear of death.

[Better Call Saul]

The bible is just an ancient story book and as for religion that was just a way to control the masses when there was no law and order, unfortunately humanity has held on to these beliefs and as a result we've been held back from progressing. The bible is only relevant to those that believe in a "god" and any argument where someone says "its in the bible" is totally irrelevant and should never make that person right.

If Religion (no specific mentioned, all are the same made up junk) didn't exist just think how many people would have lived, Religion in general is the cause for pretty much every war and conflict throughout world history and has inflicted misery upon millions of humans.

The only good contribution religion has made to humanity is through art, music and architecture.