BREAKING NEWS: North Korea Nuclear weapon launch

[TheBigUnit]

Just came off of CNN right now!!!!!

-'North Korea said it plans to carry out a "high-level nuclear test" and long-range rocket launches "aimed at the U.S."'

What do you think will happen, (I want to see this turn into a debate in this thread that's why its in ROTW)?
I'm pretty sure it is a bluff they have not one thing to gain if they attack us, if they do, get ready to see the new territory of north korea


**the BBC just released an article http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21175466

[Fractured Silhouette]

What does CNN stand for? Conspiracy National News? This sounds so fake and ridiculous.

[Castle of Glass]

Well, firstly, if ONLY CNN reported this, then i would be pretty sure it is fake, but as BBC also has an article, I would not be suprised if this is real. Well, if it gets to that, then Good by US, here i come Finland, and then mostlikely WWIII will start. But there is the thing, if NK were to attack the US; then NATO, British(most likely), South Korean, and quite a few others(maybe russia) will assist the US in a counter force. China, and some of the middle eastern countries, and most of the world's terrorist groups would assits north Korea. But But due to the size of the US army compared to the NK one, it should be a pretty fast war.
What would NK gain? IDK. Land, technology, military equipment, but in all reality, it is most likely a bluff.

What does CNN stand for? Conspiracy National News? This sounds so fake and ridiculous.
CNN: Central News Network
BBC: British Broadcasting Corporation

[MisterSix]

Yes, America is mighty, but don't forget the Korean, Vietnam and Afghanistan wars. Remember how they turned out? Just because you have more troops, doesn't mean you will win.

I think North Korea has every right to test their missiles and nukes

[Mob Boss]

I researched a little, and there are actually a few reliable sources that confirm the same. I don't really know what to debate about it, but Kim Jong-Un probably is itching to make a move after the announcement at UN Security Council. North Korea's National Defense Commission said "Settling accounts with the US needs to be done with force, not with words." It seems legitimate to me. If so, we're screwed.

I do find it disgustingly hypocritical for the US to condemn such a thing when we're packed down with nuclear weapons.

If this is true, Obama is in for a serious test and I hope he delivers.

[Castle of Glass]

Yes, America is mighty, but don't forget the Korean, Vietnam and Afghanistan wars. Remember how they turned out? Just because you have more troops, doesn't mean you will win.

I think North Korea has every right to test their missiles and nukes

i raise and tip my hat to you sir.

[Danny_boi 16]

I think if it is true. The US should take it as an act of war, but after negotiations. The second they fire anything pointed at our shores. We should immediately retaliate. But now with this kind of threat. We should but sanctions on N. Korea and their allies.

[Magical]

I think it's hilarious and will almost certainly fail. If this actually happens, which I think is unlikely. Why? America can easily crush North Korea.

[Human]

I think it's hilarious and will almost certainly fail. If this actually happens, which I think is unlikely. Why? America can easily crush North Korea.

Don't be so sure about that.
For a start, it would be very hard to nuke NK back as it would likely affect SK too, and many innocent people who have been dragged into the war by North Korea. If North Korea started a war, China would likely support it too. North Korea also totally ignore the acts against war crimes so would not be bothered about chemically or biologically attacking the USA when the USA itself would be banned from it. North Korea would start the war by instantly bombarding South Korea's capital Seoul with artillery and rocket fire, they have millions of them and would kill millions, the USA could beat them physically, but they wouldn't want to continue the war due to the destruction it would cause.

I think any country has the right to test nuclear weapons, unless ALL the others remove theirs to make it fair. I don't think countries like the USA, England and others can tell NK to stop testing nuclear missiles when they have thousands.

[ProudConservative]

If this is true, NK is going to meet a Hiroshima or Nagasaki. All I've got to say on this matter. This will turn into WWIII. NK will be wiped off the map, sadly SK too, possibly parts of China. If this is true, this is war. Though I highly doubt NK has the ability to fire long-range missiles due to past massive failures.

[Zenos]

Yes, America is mighty, but don't forget the Korean, Vietnam and Afghanistan wars. Remember how they turned out? Just because you have more troops, doesn't mean you will win.

I think North Korea has every right to test their missiles and nukes

The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT) bans all nuclear explosions in all environments, for military or civilian purposes.

Plus are you insane? You do realize that radiation and fallout does spread over vast areas.

This is something I have discussed with a cousin that was a teen bacxk in the 80's. He has said that back in April 26 1986 when the The Chernobyl disaster happened at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine ,that our Government and other governments started tracking the spread of the radiation,and that radiation from the was detected as far away from Chernobyl as here in the USA.

So no I disagree with you and think anyone tyhat would advocate for their right to test nukes has either NOT thought thinks through or they are slightly insane and have a death wish.

Plus have you considered the environmental and biological effects that testing has?

[Human]

The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT) bans all nuclear explosions in all environments, for military or civilian purposes.

Plus are you insane? You do realize that radiation and fallout does spread over vast areas.

This is something I have discussed with a cousin that was a teen bacxk in the 80's. He has said that back in April 26 1986 when the The Chernobyl disaster happened at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine ,that our Government and other governments started tracking the spread of the radiation,and that radiation from the was detected as far away from Chernobyl as here in the USA.

So no I disagree with you and think anyone tyhat would advocate for their right to test nukes has either NOT thought thinks through or they are slightly insane and have a death wish.

Plus have you considered the environmental and biological effects that testing has?
Damn, I cannot literally think of another country well known for nuclear bomb testing.

[Zenos]

Damn, I cannot literally think of another country well known for nuclear bomb testing.


Pakistan and india have done Nuke testing,The USA and the former U.S.S.R. have done nuke testing in the past!

[TheBigUnit]

it is most likely a bluff.


CNN: Central News Network
BBC: British Broadcasting Corporation

Exactly that's what i said too, NK would be absolutely retarded to even try attacking,
also thanks for clarifying as it seems some people didn't understand what it stood for, Central not Conspiracy...

Yes, America is mighty, but don't forget the Korean, Vietnam and Afghanistan wars. Remember how they turned out? Just because you have more troops, doesn't mean you will win.

I think North Korea has every right to test their missiles and nukes

Well that pretty stupid saying that, i mean each blast will send x tons of radiation into the air, would NK use underground bunkers? Also i think if a nuke managed to hit the west cost,


Damn, I cannot literally think of another country well known for nuclear bomb testing.

UK is pretty notorious with their nuke testing too

[Zenos]

I think any country has the right to test nuclear weapons, unless ALL the others remove theirs to make it fair. I don't think countries like the USA, England and others can tell NK to stop testing nuclear missiles when they have thousands.


The thing is we the US signe don to a treaty banning the testing of Nukes.

Plus it's to control the spread of nukes so that some radical nutter in powre doesn't try to start a war.

Think about it as it is now,all the Nuclear powers have them,and do not use them because they know that if one lunches a nuke all will end up being drawn into the confrontation with nukes.

Now we get some nutter in say North Korea that gets nukes,starts testing them.
His head swells with the power nukes give him,he pushes a button zaps America,we respond in kind,ok we then have to deal with the fact we have spread unintentionally of course radiation to our South Korean Allies,plus NK's ally China comes into this and hits us we reply back to them,our allies in Nato and other parts pf the world with nukes reply by striking them,China hits them ,etc etc .

Ok now where does it stop at huh?

[Human]

I'm well aware that Britain does nuclear testing... and almost every country, North Korea is still a country therefore it should be able to test nukes or we are hypocrites

[Zenos]

I'm well aware that Britain does nuclear testing... and almost every country, North Korea is still a country therefore it should be able to test nukes or we are hypocrites


But it's getting to where it's less popular and and less acceptable.

The world does not need another Nuclear testing nation especially one thats very likely to try to blast others off the face of the planet simply because they farted the wrong tune instead of Kowtowing to the North Koreans demands!

[Mob Boss]

we are hypocrites

Seriously. Why do we think we can slap their hand for grabbing one piece of candy when we're sitting here with bucketfuls? It isn't right; it should be even across the board. And from what I read, they just wanted to launch a harmless satellite in December and weren't allowed because it was a suspected long-range missile testing? If that isn't double-sided, I don't know what is.

[Gigablue]

I'm well aware that Britain does nuclear testing... and almost every country, North Korea is still a country therefore it should be able to test nukes or we are hypocrites

I don't think anyone should test nukes. The fallout spreads very far and affects a large area. It kills a lot of wildlife for no valid reason. Also, it achieves absolutely nothing.

[AuthorX303720]

I think that the US will shoot down the missle, and tell who is boss when it comes to a nuclear threat -_- Hopefully they take this very seriosly the US does

[Zenos]

I don't think anyone should test nukes. The fallout spreads very far and affects a large area. It kills a lot of wildlife for no valid reason. Also, it achieves absolutely nothing.

Exactly Chernobyl is proof of that and that was a Nuclear power plant not a weapon.


People who cry foul of nations not wanting NK and nations like it to have nukes,have learned nothing from history,and are proof that those who do not learn from history will repeat the msitakes of the past.


And so many teens of my generation act like my cousins generation of teens (from the 80's) where stupid and didn't know a thing based on the fact they didn't have the glorified internet and such things.

But when we have teens today whining over NK not being allowed to have nukes,and then despite people citing the dangers of nukes and nuke testing,and what could happen if nations like NK got nukes,then they keep on whining for "NUKES FOR NK,NUKES FOR NK",it just shows me that

"MY" generation of teens consists of a lot of "well informed idiots",that those of my generation that have a functioning brain and use it are in the minority and that my cousins generation of teens might have been just might have been the last generation to have a brainb and use it for something productive other then watching tv and movies and such!

[ImCoolBeans]

Exactly that's what i said too, NK would be absolutely retarded to even try attacking,

Why would it be so retarded? They would have plenty of fire power and support from China so it wouldn't be so much of a long shot for them actually. Just because a country has more troops than another doesn't mean anything. We went into the Vietnamese and Middle Eastern wars with our heads held high acting like we would demolish them; but that wasn't the case at all, now was it? Your points are based purely off of speculation.

[MisterSix]

The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT) bans all nuclear explosions in all environments, for military or civilian purposes.

Plus are you insane? You do realize that radiation and fallout does spread over vast areas.

This is something I have discussed with a cousin that was a teen bacxk in the 80's. He has said that back in April 26 1986 when the The Chernobyl disaster happened at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine ,that our Government and other governments started tracking the spread of the radiation,and that radiation from the was detected as far away from Chernobyl as here in the USA.

So no I disagree with you and think anyone tyhat would advocate for their right to test nukes has either NOT thought thinks through or they are slightly insane and have a death wish.

Plus have you considered the environmental and biological effects that testing has?

Do you realise how thin that fallout is?
There used to be test nukes going off all the time and look how it effected the baby boomers.

These nukes are the only things that stop America invading

[Zenos]

Why would it be so retarded? They would have plenty of fire power and support from China so it wouldn't be so much of a long shot for them actually. Just because a country has more troops than another doesn't mean anything. We went into the Vietnamese and Middle Eastern wars with our heads held high acting like we would demolish them; but that wasn't the case at all, now was it? Your points are based purely off of speculation.



The problem with the Vietman war was:

1) we where not offically ar war with them,despite the president at the time sending in the troops

2)We lost that one at home due to various things the hippy make love not war thing,and the unpopularity of draft among others.

3) also the unwillingness of the government to wage "total war" on the enemy,I feel in part due to many people in government having possibly seen Combat in WW2 or hearing about it from returning vets.

The same can be said to apply to the war in the middle east minus of course a hippy movement or a draft seeing as neither of them are happening.


face it WW2 is the last time we have applied total war sinc ethen every war had been within "rules" and "guidelines",which si why they drag out and we either loose them or it's a stalemate as in the Korean war which by the way didn't really end,it was a cessation of hostilities,and if we go back to war with NK,it's just the war starting back up.

Just like most people don't know but to a degree WW2 is still going on as Japan never signed any sort fo peace treaty with the then USSR,only with the Western Allies, So technically Japan and Russian are still in a state of war!

Do you realise how thin that fallout is?
There used to be test nukes going off all the time and look how it effected the baby boomers.

These nukes are the only things that stop America invading



Thats a load of BS right there!

Fallout can have longterm effects that are not readily apparent,things like making for example ones offspring and decendants more prone to cancers and other diseases.

It doesn't have to be wham bam right then and there results.

Plus I have noticed that with you it's America this America that!

I bet is an American walked up to you and started talking you ,you'd be shocked at how polite and down to earth acting the average cna be,then once you got over that you'd probably get all rude and opininated about how the Evil America is there to spy for the US government and such!

Double post merged ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[Silicate Wielder]

i raise and tip my hat to you sir.
Yeah but they're aiming them at the U.S, thats where I live, you don't want them killing off people in america do you? not to mention they might go off target and hit another country.
(Perhaps this is the start of World War III???)

if the U.S attacks back with our nuclear weapons all I have to say is "Well its time to put up the casual clothing and put on the white radiation suits, we're going to nuclear war." Which would be the world's first nuclear war as far as I know.

Honestly I would rather them just bomb washington D.C and not send nukes racing towards us, there is a reason the U.S dosn't use nukes. :/

[Castle of Glass]

Yeah but they're aiming them at the U.S, thats where I live, you don't want them killing off people in america do you? not to mention they might go off target and hit another country.
(Perhaps this is the start of World War III???)

firstly, i kinda hate the US, not everything(like Microsoft, couple car companies, my school, and a couple other reasons) but other wise, screw them. They think they are the world Police. I just what them to beat up the US soo bad that they will realize that they aren't the world's only superpower. And the only two other countries North Korea would attack are South Korea(read Korean history and you will understand) and England(just because they are on the same side as the US). Start of WWIII? In a way, it has already started(middle east, northeastern Africa) and soon it will spread.

[Cicero]

The government has technology to shoot down any missiles before they reach America. If Korea were truly going to attempt to nuke America, I would hope Obama would take drastic measures to punish Korea.

[IAMWILL]

The thing that scares me about this is that living very close to San Francisco on the west coast of the US, I am in one of closest, most vulnerable, and highest value target areas in the world.

[Fractured Silhouette]

CNN: Central News Network
BBC: British Broadcasting Corporation

I know what it stands for, I was making a joke. Just to clarify.

[Castle of Glass]

The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT) bans all nuclear explosions in all environments, for military or civilian purposes.

So no I disagree with you and think anyone tyhat would advocate for their right to test nukes has either NOT thought thinks through or they are slightly insane and have a death wish.
Firstly, when has North Korea ever followed international laws?
Also, i believe ever country has the right for nuclear testing, AS LONG AS their test range is barren land, like a desert.

I think that the US will shoot down the missle, and tell who is boss when it comes to a nuclear threat -_- Hopefully they take this very seriosly the US does
Who is boss when it comes to a nuclear threat? what were to happen if the US security network(all the systems that control missiles and stuff) were to be hacked into(yes it is possible) and be shut down.

Exactly Chernobyl is proof of that and that was a Nuclear power plant not a weapon.

People who cry foul of nations not wanting NK and nations like it to have nukes,have learned nothing from history,and are proof that those who do not learn from history will repeat the msitakes of the past.
If you say that NK shouldn't have nukes, then tell EVERY SINGLE super power to get rid of their nukes, ooh, wait, that includes the US. And then a large portion of their military power would be removed.

Fallout can have longterm effects that are not readily apparent,things like making for example ones offspring and decendants more prone to cancers and other diseases.

Plus I have noticed that with you it's America this America that!

I bet is an American walked up to you and started talking you ,you'd be shocked at how polite and down to earth acting the average cna be,then once you got over that you'd probably get all rude and opininated about how the Evil America is there to spy for the US government and such!
sure a nuclear fall out has longterm effects, look at chernobyl. But my country also was affected by it. and it is about 800km away from chernobyl. so of course fallouts are dangerous, but if the testing range is barren, why worry. And i know average americans, they are pretty self centered.


The government has technology to shoot down any missiles before they reach America. If Korea were truly going to attempt to nuke America, I would hope Obama would take drastic measures to punish Korea.
sure they have the technology to shoot them down, but what about the radiations? they can't destroy it. and why would the US punish South Korea?

I know what it stands for, I was making a joke. Just to clarify.
i know, I still posted it for those who didn't know.

[Zenos]

firstly, i kinda hate the US, not everything(like Microsoft, couple car companies, my school, and a couple other reasons) but other wise, screw them. They think they are the world Police. I just what them to beat up the US soo bad that they will realize that they aren't the world's only superpower. And the only two other countries North Korea would attack are South Korea(read Korean history and you will understand) and England(just because they are on the same side as the US). Start of WWIII? In a way, it has already started(middle east, northeastern Africa) and soon it will spread.



First of all it is not OUR fault we ended up the World Police.

Look at history before WW2 the British Empire was the World Police,but between WW1 and WW2 they pertty much wore their military down,WW2 did them in as an Empire,and left the USA with it's vast resources and man power as the only nation in a position to do anything and America spent how long funding the rebuilding of war torn Europe and Asia?

So who ddi the world come looking too for help of varsious kinds AMERICA!

We didn't ask to become the World Police,history and the winds of Fate put us in that position.If we'd not have stepped up to the plate the world would probably have been overrun with pinko-commies,and you wouldn't even have the right to voice your opinion.

Personally I think every nation we have aided since ww2 ended that that included ever nation in Europe that we helped rebuild,and Japan which we rebuilt after ww2 as well all the way up to the ones we are aiding now should pay up,that's right they should pay us back then we could pay off our debts once and far all!

If you don't like America get out of it if you live here and if you don't live here stop bumming aid in the form of money,military,etc etc off of us!

[Castle of Glass]

First of all it is not OUR fault we ended up the World Police.

Look at history before WW2 the British Empire was the World Police,but between WW1 and WW2 they pertty much wore their military down,WW2 did them in as an Empire,and left the USA with it's vast resources and man power as the only nation in a position to do anything and America spent how long funding the rebuilding of war torn Europe and Asia?

So who ddi the world come looking too for help of varsious kinds AMERICA!

We didn't ask to become the World Police,history and the winds of Fate put us in that position.If we'd not have stepped up to the plate the world would probably have been overrun with pinko-commies,and you wouldn't even have the right to voice your opinion.

Personally I think every nation we have aided since ww2 ended that that included ever nation in Europe that we helped rebuild,and Japan which we rebuilt after ww2 as well all the way up to the ones we are aiding now should pay up,that's right they should pay us back then we could pay off our debts once and far all!

If you don't like America get out of it if you live here and if you don't live here stop bumming aid in the form of money,military,etc etc off of us!
Actually it is your fault. You first started military face offs, and then you guys "have to stop them". there is only one world police and that is the United Nations. Also, last i checked, the US was not the only country that had the ability to recover after the war. What about russia, or china, or canada, or Scandinavian countries, oh wait, you don't know where those are. People did not come and ask for help from the US. And the world would not be run by commies even if the US had not been there. Don't you know anything about the politics of other countries?
Also, the US did not help ever country in Europe, we solved them ourselves. If the US had helped every nation in Europe, Greece wouldn't be in trouble. and why should we pay the Us our debts before they can even pay off debts that are way older than the ones from WW2? Ok, so i live here, but i can't go, not until i graduate(or WW3 starts). and not everyone is bumming aid from the US, alot of countries are being given it from the US, for free, not by asking.

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=niilo789;2113052]Firstly, when has North Korea ever followed international laws?
Also, i believe ever country has the right for nuclear testing, AS LONG AS their test range is barren land, like a desert.

(If you go by the treaty cited,then testing is banned,and did i say they do follow international laws and treaties? Which is another reason they should not have nukes)


Who is boss when it comes to a nuclear threat? what were to happen if the US security network(all the systems that control missiles and stuff) were to be hacked into(yes it is possible) and be shut down.


If you say that NK shouldn't have nukes, then tell EVERY SINGLE super power to get rid of their nukes, ooh, wait, that includes the US. And then a large portion of their military power would be removed.


( theres a BIG diffrence,all the other Nuclear powers abide by International treaty,you have youself brought up the fact NK does not abide by Interenarnational treat.The only time the USA has used Nukes against another nation was WW2 when we where at war with Japan and wanted to end the war without invading Japan, and losing even more lives on bothsides.

Plus as Japan was very driven by the Code of Bushido at the time the atomic bombs where also a way in which they could have a reason to surrender without dishonor)

sure a nuclear fall out has longterm effects, look at chernobyl. But my country also was affected by it. and it is about 800km away from chernobyl. so of course fallouts are dangerous, but if the testing range is barren, why worry. And i know average americans, they are pretty self centered.

( So you are you not from Americawhich shows that you actually know nothing about us,and are just popping off assumptions and generalizations.
How about actually TRULY getting to know us.

If you are from Europe i can say this some Americans think Europeans are stuck up elitists who think they are better then Americans all because their countries have been around a bit longer,but then i don't hold that view because that is like what you said about us,and Assumption born of IGNORACE!)



sure they have the technology to shoot them down, but what about the radiations? they can't destroy it. and why would the US punish South Korea?

( I never said the US would punish South Korea,just that is we did nuke North Korea we'd be unintentionally dropping radiation of SK because the stuff does drift ya know!

[Castle of Glass]

[QUOTE=niilo789;2113052]Firstly, when has North Korea ever followed international laws?
Also, i believe ever country has the right for nuclear testing, AS LONG AS their test range is barren land, like a desert.

(If you go by the treaty cited,then testing is banned,and did i say they do follow international laws and treaties? Which is another reason they should not have nukes)


Who is boss when it comes to a nuclear threat? what were to happen if the US security network(all the systems that control missiles and stuff) were to be hacked into(yes it is possible) and be shut down.


If you say that NK shouldn't have nukes, then tell EVERY SINGLE super power to get rid of their nukes, ooh, wait, that includes the US. And then a large portion of their military power would be removed.


( theres a BIG diffrence,all the other Nuclear powers abide by International treaty,you have youself brought up the fact NK does not abide by Interenarnational treat.The only time the USA has used Nukes against another nation was WW2 when we where at war with Japan and wanted to end the war without invading Japan, and losing even more lives on bothsides.

Plus as Japan was very driven by the Code of Bushido at the time the atomic bombs where also a way in which they could have a reason to surrender without dishonor)

sure a nuclear fall out has longterm effects, look at chernobyl. But my country also was affected by it. and it is about 800km away from chernobyl. so of course fallouts are dangerous, but if the testing range is barren, why worry. And i know average americans, they are pretty self centered.

( So you are you not from Americawhich shows that you actually know nothing about us,and are just popping off assumptions and generalizations.
How about actually TRULY getting to know us.

If you are from Europe i can say this some Americans think Europeans are stuck up elitists who think they are better then Americans all because their countries have been around a bit longer,but then i don't hold that view because that is like what you said about us,and Assumption born of IGNORACE!)



sure they have the technology to shoot them down, but what about the radiations? they can't destroy it. and why would the US punish South Korea?

( I never said the US would punish South Korea,just that is we did nuke North Korea we'd be unintentionally dropping radiation of SK because the stuff does drift ya know!
you keep say that "north korea shouldn't have nukes" what about the US. you know how many the have? 5,113 nuclear warheads. so what about that?
You say that i am ignorant just because i am from europe and i don't know anything about the US, well that is where you are wrong. i have lived all over the world, not only Europe, including the US. so no, i am not going by assumptions and generalizations. So atleast understand, that i am not ignorant or going by assumptions. i believe that it is you who was just ignorant as you thought i was, without knowing anything about me.

[Cicero]

Firstly, when has North Korea ever followed international laws?
Also, i believe ever country has the right for nuclear testing, AS LONG AS their test range is barren land, like a desert.


Who is boss when it comes to a nuclear threat? what were to happen if the US security network(all the systems that control missiles and stuff) were to be hacked into(yes it is possible) and be shut down.


If you say that NK shouldn't have nukes, then tell EVERY SINGLE super power to get rid of their nukes, ooh, wait, that includes the US. And then a large portion of their military power would be removed.


sure a nuclear fall out has longterm effects, look at chernobyl. But my country also was affected by it. and it is about 800km away from chernobyl. so of course fallouts are dangerous, but if the testing range is barren, why worry. And i know average americans, they are pretty self centered.



sure they have the technology to shoot them down, but what about the radiations? they can't destroy it. and why would the US punish South Korea?


i know, I still posted it for those who didn't know.

I don't know why the US would ever try to punish Korea for shooting a nuclear missile at us. That was just silly of me to say, how about this "If Korea tries shooting a missile at us, we will give them a firm warning of "Don't do that again" and as a small consequence we will tickle them, but not tickle them to death. Just tickle them." Better?

I never said S. Korea.

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=niilo789;2113060]Actually it is your fault. You first started military face offs, and then you guys "have to stop them".
(Total malarkey,thats like saying we started WW2 then had to start it)



there is only one world police and that is the United Nations. Also, last i checked, the US was not the only country that had the ability to recover after the war. What about russia, or china, or canada, or Scandinavian countries, oh wait, you don't know where those are.


( yup sure shows what you know,you think Americans can't don't know where other nations are or how top look on a globe to find them,shows you're ignorance,plus Canada did not to my knowldge get blitzed by the Germans durring ww2 so they had no need of rebuilding.The only reason Eastern Europe did not accept aid was Russian rejected it and insisted on the nations that would becoem the former Warsaw pact nations rejecting it

Also you seem to be ignorant of the Marshall Plan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

How much longer would it have taken with out American enacting the Marshall Plan.)


People did not come and ask for help from the US. And the world would not be run by commies even if the US had not been there.

( Do you know that for a fact,thats as much speculation as my saying the world would have been overrun by commies)

Don't you know anything about the politics of other countries?

(yeh i'm pertty much aware of European politics)

Also, the US did not help ever country in Europe, we solved them ourselves.

( but again,thanks to the Marshall plan the nations in Europe where helps thanks to our vast resources and man power to recover by the early 50's and thats what only 5 or 6 years after the war ended without our aid how much longer would it have taken hmmm?)

If the US had helped every nation in Europe, Greece wouldn't be in trouble.
( all the help in the world will not keep a nation out of trouble if it mismanages it's money)


and why should we pay the Us our debts before they can even pay off debts that are way older than the ones from WW2?

(what debts do Americans ownb that where around before ww2? Exactly we don't own any depts from before ww2)

Ok, so i live here, but i can't go, not until i graduate(or WW3 starts). and not everyone is bumming aid from the US, alot of countries are being given it from the US, for free, not by asking.

(and that free aid is also a problem why should we give the world free aid?)

[Castle of Glass]

I don't know why the US would ever try to punish Korea for shooting a nuclear missile at us. That was just silly of me to say, how about this "If Korea tries shooting a missile at us, we will give them a firm warning of "Don't do that again" and as a small consequence we will tickle them, but not tickle them to death. Just tickle them." Better?

I never said S. Korea.

i know you didn't but you just said Korea, so that could mean either or both, and for me just korea means S. Korea. and yes, it was better.

[QUOTE=niilo789;2113060]Actually it is your fault. You first started military face offs, and then you guys "have to stop them".
(Total malarkey,thats like saying we started WW2 then had to start it)



there is only one world police and that is the United Nations. Also, last i checked, the US was not the only country that had the ability to recover after the war. What about russia, or china, or canada, or Scandinavian countries, oh wait, you don't know where those are.


( yup sure shows what you know,you think Americans can't don't know where other nations are or how top look on a globe to find them,shows you're ignorance,plus Canada did not to my knowldge get blitzed by the Germans durring ww2 so they had no need of rebuilding.The only reason Eastern Europe did not accept aid was Russian rejected it and insisted on the nations that would becoem the former Warsaw pact nations rejecting it

Also you seem to be ignorant of the Marshall Plan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

How much longer would it have taken with out American enacting the Marshall Plan.)


People did not come and ask for help from the US. And the world would not be run by commies even if the US had not been there.

( Do you know that for a fact,thats as much speculation as my saying the world would have been overrun by commies)

Don't you know anything about the politics of other countries?

(yeh i'm pertty much aware of European politics)

Also, the US did not help ever country in Europe, we solved them ourselves.

( but again,thanks to the Marshall plan the nations in Europe where helps thanks to our vast resources and man power to recover by the early 50's and thats what only 5 or 6 years after the war ended without our aid how much longer would it have taken hmmm?)

If the US had helped every nation in Europe, Greece wouldn't be in trouble.
( all the help in the world will not keep a nation out of trouble if it mismanages it's money)


and why should we pay the Us our debts before they can even pay off debts that are way older than the ones from WW2?

(what debts do Americans ownb that where around before ww2? Exactly we don't own any depts from before ww2)

Ok, so i live here, but i can't go, not until i graduate(or WW3 starts). and not everyone is bumming aid from the US, alot of countries are being given it from the US, for free, not by asking.

(and that free aid is also a problem why should we give the world free aid?)
what started the War in Iraq and Afghanistan?
ok, did Europe ask for the help of the US(Marshall plan)? and europe did pay back their marshall plan debts
what i meant with the countries is that the US(as in government at that time) was not aware that there were still couuntries that could have helped them.
Also with the politics, i meant that europe wouldn't be controlled by commies as most european countries before WW2 were already democracies. What about the US debts of WW1? and plaese explain why the US debt is over 14tril?

Please don't double post. ~Max

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=niilo789;2113099][QUOTE=Zenos;2113085]
what started the War in Iraq and Afghanistan?

( try terrorist attacking the Trade centers in New York,as well as the Pentagon Arlington County, Virginia on september 9th 2001.

:eek: And you Europeans arrogantly say WE Americans have no sence of History,looks like you need to learn you're history)



ok, did Europe ask for the help of the US(Marshall plan)?





( the war-torn nations of Europe faced famine and economic crisis in the wake of World War II, the United States proposed to rebuild the continent in the interest of political stability and a healthy world economy. On June 5, 1947, in a commencement address at Harvard University, Secretary of State George C. Marshall first called for American assistance in restoring the economic infrastructure of Europe. Western Europe responded favorably, and the Truman administration proposed legislation.)




and europe did pay back their marshall plan debts

(well thats i diffrent story if they did pay them back)

what i meant with the countries is that the US(as in government at that time) was not aware that there were still couuntries that could have helped them.

Also with the politics, i meant that europe wouldn't be controlled by commies as most european countries before WW2 were already democracies.

(hmm yet before ww2 Germany had a rapidly rising Communist party,that was waylaid by Hitlers National Socialist German Workers party,other wise it's a good chance during WW2 we could have been fight Commies instead of Nazi's)



What about the US debts of WW1?

(again you spout off about this mysterious pre- ww1 debt we owe but give no proof of it)


and plaese explain why the US debt is over 14tril?

That goes back to the 80's when President Regan switched the USA from Containing the spread of Communism to force the Soviet Union it to destory itself in an arms race,which if subsequnetly did.In the 90's the pentagon didn't want to stop the heavy spending which then drove the debt higher and since then the governmnet has went well spend spend spend crazy.,

[ImCoolBeans]

The problem with the Vietman war was:

1) we where not offically ar war with them,despite the president at the time sending in the troops

2)We lost that one at home due to various things the hippy make love not war thing,and the unpopularity of draft among others.

3) also the unwillingness of the government to wage "total war" on the enemy,I feel in part due to many people in government having possibly seen Combat in WW2 or hearing about it from returning vets.

The same can be said to apply to the war in the middle east minus of course a hippy movement or a draft seeing as neither of them are happening.


face it WW2 is the last time we have applied total war sinc ethen every war had been within "rules" and "guidelines",which si why they drag out and we either loose them or it's a stalemate as in the Korean war which by the way didn't really end,it was a cessation of hostilities,and if we go back to war with NK,it's just the war starting back up.

Just like most people don't know but to a degree WW2 is still going on as Japan never signed any sort fo peace treaty with the then USSR,only with the Western Allies, So technically Japan and Russian are still in a state of war!

And has it not occurred to you yet that things aren't exactly a-okay at home now? Things are worse than they have been in a long time in this country currently -- far worse than any socio-cultural turbulence in the 60's. Our economy is in far worse a state than we have seen in generations and the end is not near. If you believe that we'd be in any better shape going into another war now than we were in the 1960's then you need to open your eyes and take a look around. There is a new public shooting making headlines weekly, the national debt is growing at a steady pace, our government is more or less at a stalemate with itself and the combination of it all is putting the entire country into turmoil. By saying "we lost that war at home" do you realize that you just made my point for me, against yourself?

[TheBassoonist]

North Korea's statements could be considered acts of war, or they could be bluffing. I don't know which.

Do they have nuclear weapons? Yes, but not a lot.

China, another nuclear power, is their closest ally, right? Possibly, but not they're not as close as they once were. China voted for the most recent UN sanctions against NK, which damaged the relations between the two countries. Plus, IF a war between NK and the US were to happen, I doubt China would side with the Koreans. They'd probably stay neutral. Going to war against a close trade partner is never a good idea.

While I don't doubt that North Korea has both the will the capability to launch a nuclear weapon, I do doubt their ability to launch one across the Pacific. They're more likely to hit Japan than Hawaii. Any war between just North Korea and the United States would be brief and one-sided. If China and/or Russia joins with the Koreans, however, the whole world has an even bigger problem.

[FreeFall]

In essence, we're fucked. How many times, since their first weapon, have they been known to try and test near Hawaii? They launched in 2009 near Japan, the poor Japanese. They must be more terrified than us.

They will hit us one day, and the world will not care.
You can hate America.
Not many Americans like it either.
But to those who wish us to be nuked and after seeing how damn dangerous and long term that is? Sick.

We are the people, not the country. We are not the past. We are not the future. We're simply the present, that's all we have, that's all we can be in our current lives of this country.

Empathy has died, radiation has replaced it.

[Silicate Wielder]

I would laugh if they're nuclear missile detonates prematurely on their missile base when/if they launch it.

and if it does hit us, we'll be in nuclear war. doomsday for U.S.A....

They think they are the world Police. I just what them to beat up the US soo bad that they will realize that they aren't the world's only superpower. And the only two other countries North Korea would attack are South Korea(read Korean history and you will understand) and England(just because they are on the same side as the US). Start of WWIII? In a way, it has already started(middle east, northeastern Africa) and soon it will spread.

Yeah we get into alot of unnecary/ridiculous fights.
We also realized we can be just as vulnerable as about any other country can be on 9/11.

I just wanna get out of the U.S...

Please do not double post. --Lyra

[Spook]

Nice knowing you all.


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On a serious note, if North Korea actually plans to carry out with this, I'll be damned. Yes, there's alot of radiation. But thousands of lives, environmental damage, and waging war on several powerful countries just so you can test out your nuclear missiles? That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Personally, I think NK is just trying to intimidate us.

[Human]

Seriously. Why do we think we can slap their hand for grabbing one piece of candy when we're sitting here with bucketfuls? It isn't right; it should be even across the board. And from what I read, they just wanted to launch a harmless satellite in December and weren't allowed because it was a suspected long-range missile testing? If that isn't double-sided, I don't know what is.

that's what i'm trying to say

[MrDaniel2K13]

I think if there is a war then the best thing to do would be to send in teams of Special Forces soldiers to kill the N.K Government

[Zenos]

And has it not occurred to you yet that things aren't exactly a-okay at home now? Things are worse than they have been in a long time in this country currently -- far worse than any socio-cultural turbulence in the 60's. Our economy is in far worse a state than we have seen in generations and the end is not near. If you believe that we'd be in any better shape going into another war now than we were in the 1960's then you need to open your eyes and take a look around. There is a new public shooting making headlines weekly, the national debt is growing at a steady pace, our government is more or less at a stalemate with itself and the combination of it all is putting the entire country into turmoil. By saying "we lost that war at home" do you realize that you just made my point for me, against yourself?



:rolleyes: You don't even understand what I meant at all !

[TheBigUnit]

Why would it be so retarded? They would have plenty of fire power and support from China so it wouldn't be so much of a long shot for them actually. Just because a country has more troops than another doesn't mean anything. We went into the Vietnamese and Middle Eastern wars with our heads held high acting like we would demolish them; but that wasn't the case at all, now was it? Your points are based purely off of speculation.

Not really, NK has the 5th largest army in the world, but, china will not support NK, why would they? In fact as of right now China is supprting usa's and the UN stance towards this, I see the only reason why china even is friendly towards NK is because if china were to go to war, NK would always be there for support, this doesn't mean china will help NK back, If NK were to hit usa soil with a missile, I would espect usa to "showoff" some of their non-nuclear missile capabilities

[Zenos]

Not really, NK has the 5th largest army in the world, but, china will not support NK, why would they? In fact as of right now China is supprting usa's and the UN stance towards this, I see the only reason why china even is friendly towards NK is because if china were to go to war, NK would always be there for support, this doesn't mean china will help NK back, If NK were to hit usa soil with a missile, I would espect usa to "showoff" some of their non-nuclear missile capabilities



Of course China maybe may things but they know where Nk's posturing could lead if they carry on long enough.A button pushed,nuked fired off form both sides then everyone with nukes would slowly be drawn into the to conflageration,and have to choose sides,and where would it end a totally dead and barren world,or one so messed up it a living nightmare for the survivors,all because some idiot in NK thought they could prance and bully the world.

Also so what if they have the 5th largest army,Iraqi has the 4th largest army in the world it was defated twice,the second time being totally demolished!

[TheBigUnit]

Of course China maybe may things but they know where Nk's posturing could lead if they carry on long enough.A button pushed,nuked fired off form both sides then everyone with nukes would slowly be drawn into the to conflageration,and have to choose sides,and where would it end a totally dead and barren world,or one so messed up it a living nightmare for the survivors,all because some idiot in NK thought they could prance and bully the world.

Also so what if they have the 5th largest army,Iraqi has the 4th largest army in the world it was defated twice,the second time being totally demolished!

China will not support NK, if NK is the aggressor that being said we should never invade NK as china may join like in the korean war, china would not want to see a united korea (if SK "wins") and an even stronger US presence in the korean penninsula, SK and NK should unite peacefully if they ever do

I just said it was the 5th largest to prove a point, their army is very outdated and just bad, their air force and navy will get wiped out in the first hour if there is to be an invasion, most of their jets are really outdated MiGs from the mid 70s

[ProudConservative]

In essence, we're fucked. How many times, since their first weapon, have they been known to try and test near Hawaii? They launched in 2009 near Japan, the poor Japanese. They must be more terrified than us.

They will hit us one day, and the world will not care.
You can hate America.
Not many Americans like it either.
But to those who wish us to be nuked and after seeing how damn dangerous and long term that is? Sick.

We are the people, not the country. We are not the past. We are not the future. We're simply the present, that's all we have, that's all we can be in our current lives of this country.

Empathy has died, radiation has replaced it.

I'be never said to nuke Iran, I've just said that Iran is being highly suspicious with their nuclear program. If they're making them purely for self-defense, I've no problem with it. Until then, Iran needs to be watched.
It is sick to want someone nuked, not a lot of people disagree with that.

[World Eater]

Eh, things won't end well, regardless of which road is taken.

[Guillermo]

I would laugh if they're nuclear missile detonates prematurely on their missile base when/if they launch it.

Oh, yeah, because it's funny when thousands, possibly millions, of innocent lives are killed in a country that the U.S. does not have diplomatic relations with.

:rolleyes: You don't even understand what I meant at all !

You've played this card on many debates already. Why don't you elaborate on what you meant instead of just basically saying "that's not what i meant!"

China will not support NK, if NK is the aggressor that being said we should never invade NK as china may join like in the korean war, china would not want to see a united korea (if SK "wins") and an even stronger US presence in the korean penninsula, SK and NK should unite peacefully if they ever do

I just said it was the 5th largest to prove a point, their army is very outdated and just bad, their air force and navy will get wiped out in the first hour if there is to be an invasion, most of their jets are really outdated MiGs from the mid 70s

There are so many fallacies within the points that you're making. You base all of your information off of mere speculations, or in other words, you're just guessing what could happen. In reality, there are so many other possibilities. You never ultimately know what a country will do. Countries could change their relations with other countries at any moment. In WW1, Italy was supposed to join sides with Germany and Austria-Hungary (based on the alliances) but instead sided with the Entente powers basically so they could gain land back from A-H. In WW2, most Latin American countries came out of their neutrality and sided with the Allies even though a majority of these countries also had strong ties with Germany as well.

Until then, Iran needs to be watched.

The countries who basically made nuclear weapons should watch other countries who could possibly own them? Seriously? What gives the U.S. and other countries the right to monitor these countries? That's being a huge hypocrite. They wouldn't even obtain the technology in the first place if the U.S., U.K. and Canada hadn't all pitched in to create nuclear weapons. And now the plans and technology have possibly gotten out to countries other than the 14 others who possess them currently? Who's damn fault is that? That's so double sided that it's sickening. You see what we've done by creating something so potentially disastrous?

Eh, things won't end well, regardless of which road is taken.

No, it's more like if a road is taken.

[TheBigUnit]

There are so many fallacies within the points that you're making. You base all of your information off of mere speculations, or in other words, you're just guessing what could happen. In reality, there are so many other possibilities. You never ultimately know what a country will do. Countries could change their relations with other countries at any moment. In WW1, Italy was supposed to join sides with Germany and Austria-Hungary (based on the alliances) but instead sided with the Entente powers basically so they could gain land back from A-H. In WW2, most Latin American countries came out of their neutrality and sided with the Allies even though a majority of these countries also had strong ties with Germany as well.
.

It is speculation like any other prediction, you have to think though what does china win and lose and are they willing to make that move, I don't know the chinese government completely but I said what would happen if a certain scenero were to happen, NK only real ally is china but what does china gain from nk? Close to nothing just million ill equiped foot soldiers

[Silicate Wielder]

Oh, yeah, because it's funny when thousands, possibly millions, of innocent lives are killed in a country that the U.S. does not have diplomatic relations with.

That... didn't occour to me... :/

[Guillermo]

It is speculation like any other prediction, you have to think though what does china win and lose and are they willing to make that move, I don't know the chinese government completely but I said what would happen if a certain scenero were to happen, NK only real ally is china but what does china gain from nk? Close to nothing just million ill equiped foot soldiers

Speculation does no good though, honestly. There could be many possible scenarios that would have many different outcomes. In other words, there are more questions than answers. Let's leave that to the government and higher officials... Though sometimes I hesitate to do that.

But anyway, the fact is that North Korea is very much so economically dependent on China - for energy, resources, food, etc. To a certain degree, China controls NK's political affairs as well. Past negotiations between NK and the rest of the world were because of the Chinese government. However, one thing is clear, North Korea is on its own when it comes to its military affairs. And there's only so much that China can do about this. When NK shoots off a nuclear testing weapon, all China does is basically slap them on the wrist, as a mother would do. Another thing is clear, though, that one of China's top priorities is to stay out of a war. But it's still uncertain whether China would directly support North Korea if they went to war.

[TheBigUnit]

NK is china lapdog, but I don't see what china gains unless western powers invade NK

[Zenos]

NK is china lapdog, but I don't see what china gains unless western powers invade NK

Well i can see a few possibe future events in case of a war:

1) America is destroyed

2) America is weaked and Europe takes its place as a Power

3) America and Europe are severly weakened and power shifts from west to east

4)America ,Europe and Asia are severly weakened and power shifts in the aftermath as soem radical Islamic militant/cleric gains a following and the middle east becomes a unified power with eyes on the territory outside of the Middle east !

Now am I saying any of this WILL happen,No thats just possibilities.

Another one is that the leadership of NK is over thrown and a mature stable government is installed ending all of the bs coming from that region.

[Texas warrior]

It is probably a bluff but who wants to take that chance? We should send spys to destroy there........... Every thing, to do with nuclear weapons. They constantly talk about how the hate and would like to destroy the US. So when they start looking for nuclear weapons what else should we do?

[Human]

Nice knowing you all.


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On a serious note, if North Korea actually plans to carry out with this, I'll be damned. Yes, there's alot of radiation. But thousands of lives, environmental damage, and waging war on several powerful countries just so you can test out your nuclear missiles? That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Personally, I think NK is just trying to intimidate us.

Like I said before, I wonder what other countries have tested nuclear missiles, is it just NK?

[Zenos]

Like I said before, I wonder what other countries have tested nuclear missiles, is it just NK?

we've tested them the former U.S.S.R. did,I think france went back to it,i think China has.

India and Pakistan has as well.

[Human]

we've tested them the former U.S.S.R. did,I think france went back to it,i think China has.

India and Pakistan has as well.

i know, it was more of a rhetorical sarcastic question :P

[Dunce]

I'm sorry if I just missed or misread something, but what does that even mean, "nuclear testing"? If it's their 3rd test then what happened when the last ones were carried out? And how are they going to test on the US and no ones freaking out?
And why isn't anyone trying to do something about it? Because from what I know about nuclear weapons, we're all fucked, right?

[Zenos]

I'm sorry if I just missed or misread something, but what does that even mean, "nuclear testing"? If it's their 3rd test then what happened when the last ones were carried out? And how are they going to test on the US and no ones freaking out?
And why isn't anyone trying to do something about it? Because from what I know about nuclear weapons, we're all fucked, right?

Nuclear testing means exploding their bombs in test exploding and then going over the test site to see the results.

[Zenos]

i know, it was more of a rhetorical sarcastic question :P

Ohhhhhhhhhhh.Darn I always fall for them there rhetorical sarcastic questions :P

[Dunce]

Nuclear testing means exploding their bombs in test exploding and then going over the test site to see the results.

That's what I thought, which leads to the other questions I asked. Why don't people seem to care.

[Zenos]

That's what I thought, which leads to the other questions I asked. Why don't people seem to care.

My theory and this is just a theory,most people don't care because they have an inbound death wish.

How many times have you heard the average human say oh well we all have to die of something when called out on stuff like smoking!

[Dunce]

My theory and this is just a theory,most people don't care because they have an inbound death wish.

How many times have you heard the average human say oh well we all have to die of something when called out on stuff like smoking!

It true, I understand that, but it's not one person, it's pretty much a lot of people who could die from something completely needless, if it is true that is.

[Zenos]

It true, I understand that, but it's not one person, it's pretty much a lot of people who could die from something completely needless, if it is true that is.

true,so i guess theres lots of people that just don't care about things anymore and want to expire fast.

[Professional Russian]

Here we go i have a genious fucking idea that everyone will probably hate. Why dont we, America, go and disarm north korea. Is it really that fucking hard? they are threat to us there for that threat must be eliminated

[Cadbury-Monster]

With North Korea becoming so much bigger by year I wouldn't be surprised if this were true. As long as it doesn't affect me, though, I guess I'm happy :L

[TheBigUnit]

Here we go i have a genious fucking idea that everyone will probably hate. Why dont we, America, go and disarm north korea. Is it really that fucking hard? they are threat to us there for that threat must be eliminated

we cant just eliminate them without other consequences occuring

[Professional Russian]

we cant just eliminate them without other consequences occuring

Eliminate threat meaning destroy all of there nuclear weapons and developments so they can't do it again. Also kill all there scientists that worked on it so no one would have any knowledge of it

[MisterSix]

Here we go i have a genious fucking idea that everyone will probably hate. Why dont we, America, go and disarm north korea. Is it really that fucking hard? they are threat to us there for that threat must be eliminated

Because that would give them a reason to launch them.
I hope you understand the deterrence theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_theory) with nukes, right?

[irishguy123]

if north korea attacks the usa, north korea will be destroyed within an hour

[Professional Russian]

Because that would give them a reason to launch them.
I hope you understand the deterrence theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_theory) with nukes, right?

I see what your saying. That never occurred to me when I typed that. Well I'll be digging a bomb shelter if you all need me

[Twilly F. Sniper]

we're talking about North Korea,
It would make sense.