Earth Needs a Natural Disaster

[Fractured Silhouette]

Something I don't understand is why we spend so much time trying to fix social issues in society when what we should be focusing on is the planet that we are killing. I mean really, I'm all for equal rights, but I think governments/companies/people in general should focus more on trying to fix the damage to the environment or at least stop it from progressing. To be honest, if I had the chance, I would wipe every human off the face of the planet so that the environment could recover. In fact, I hope a super volcano goes off and wipes out 2/3 of the population and simultaneously causes another ice age or a meteorite hits Earth so hard that 99% of the population die. The Earth needs a natural disaster, hell maybe not even a natural one, how about World War 3 and this time we include as many countries as we can?

I mean, what's the fucking point of getting along with everyone if the planet has run out of resources, an increased number of species have become extinct, air becomes polluted because of the lack of forests, overpopulation so vast that we can hardly move, etc? Seriously I think we need to get our priorities straight.

Also, if a company could create a virus that causes people to turn into flesh eating zombies, that would be cool to.

I honestly believe we are nearly at the point of no return, so I ask you; can we as humans save the planet? Or must we be extinguished for this planet to survive?

[deadpie]

Why would you care about equal rights if at the same time you want a super volcano to kill a bunch of people? If you're going to hate humanity then hate it with pure stench and no regrets. Also if you care about the environment you need to realize another World War would be an atomic one, which would damage the world itself even more. I used to think I was a misanthrope but realized I don't hate everyone - I just hate a lot of people. There's some people I really do like though.

IMO no matter how polluted and destroyed the World gets the planet itself will always outlive humans. I don't see humans finding different planets to live on, building spaceships, figuring out every problem it needs to for survival. Not only do I not have hope for humanity but I don't really care anymore what happens because (A) There's nothing I can do about it (B) I have no potential to do anything special with my life which means I should be one of those useless humans killed in that super volcano scenario (C) If I have no potential to save anything then there's really no need for me to care...

As much as it sounds like you might care about the planet yourself it's about how much you care for the planet to support human existence. It's all very hypocritical because at the same time you want a bunch of people to die. The planet doesn't care about any of us anyways. It doesn't have the ability to care.

I do get what you're saying though, agree with some of your beliefs.. I had a friend that had this really in-depth scenario of how he thinks humanity should be and how we would succeed.. He said we need to have about four billion killed, the only people to live are people that are smart enough and willing to come together to figure out a way for humanity to continue on. This meaning ways to get to other planets, space travel, giving our own planet more habitability so we can live longer. He believes that a species only meaning is to grow and live on which is what we should be trying to do as much as possible.

It's a little extreme and brutal though.. To be honest you can think of a bunch of scenario's like these and all types of stuff but it's just never going to happen. I just don't see any hope for human race and I don't have the answers. Nobody does. If there was an answer the question wouldn't be being asked right now.

[Dunce]

Basically, you're saying that if a natural disaster struck we should leave all the people left homeless to die and just fix up the environment instead?
I'm all for this planet, I think animals and plants have as much a right to be here as we do. But if we don't fight for each other we lose our humanity. There's a reason we want to do something about things like the water crisis in Ethiopia, because we care about the lives of humans. It cruel for the privileged to do nothing when a group of people somewhere in the world are in any sort of crisis.
Sure, we need to protect our planet, but we need to do it together, not at the expense of a portion of the population.

[Human]

how about you join one of the voluntary extinction programs?
no, we don't need a natural disaster, we need the LEDC countries to give education and contraception as in MEDCs birth rates are lowering, in LEDC people are still having 10 kids each who are only used to look after the parents. We need education.

[Fractured Silhouette]

Why would you care about equal rights if at the same time you want a super volcano to kill a bunch of people? If you're going to hate humanity then hate it with pure stench and no regrets. Also if you care about the environment you need to realize another World War would be an atomic one, which would damage the world itself even more. I used to think I was a misanthrope but realized I don't hate everyone - I just hate a lot of people. There's some people I really do like though.

Okay first off, I never said I wanted hundreds of people to die, but it was implied. What I meant was that the world might benefit from it. Secondly, I don't hate humanity, I hate the way humanity acts, what they do, how they act. Finally, the WW3 thing was a bit of a joke, however if the atomic war ended and humans were reduced to living underground in a wasteland, after say a few thousand years, would the Earth begin to repair the damage assuming a few photosynthetic organisms survived? Without a species continuously damaging the Earth, it could have a chance to repair itself. The WW3 option it not the most ideal one as many organisms would probably go extinct with humanity.

IMO no matter how polluted and destroyed the World gets the planet itself will always outlive humans. I don't see humans finding different planets to live on, building spaceships, figuring out every problem it needs to for survival. Not only do I not have hope for humanity but I don't really care anymore what happens because (A) There's nothing I can do about it (B) I have no potential to do anything special with my life which means I should be one of those useless humans killed in that super volcano scenario (C) If I have no potential to save anything then there's really no need for me to care...

I see where you are coming from, but this is the kind of attitude is part of the problem, it's like saying "I don't care it's not my problem, someone else can sort it out" (by "someone" you could also include the environment itself). You may not be special, hardly anyone is, not me, not you, nobody on this forum, we're all just bacteria riding on thee back of all the plants and animals, it's up to you whether you want to be the millions of helpful bacteria and work toward a healthier system, or the bad bacteria which just rides on it's host and multiplies.

As much as it sounds like you might care about the planet yourself it's about how much you care for the planet to support human existence. It's all very hypocritical because at the same time you want a bunch of people to die. The planet doesn't care about any of us anyways. It doesn't have the ability to care.

I was expecting for the ol' hypocrite argument. You're right it is a bit hypocritical, but self-sacrifice usually is, the majority might have to die so that our planet can continue. Well, not everyone has to die, just enough to make us an endangered species, just to minimize the damage long enough for the Earth to recover. I don't see why the Earth not having the capacity to care has anything to with it, nature isn't an entity, it isn't going to smite us for destroying it. Where to ones with the capacity to think and feel, we cocked up the planet, by all rights, it should be us who fixes it, not nature, but if it does, all the better.

I do get what you're saying though, agree with some of your beliefs.. I had a friend that had this really in-depth scenario of how he thinks humanity should be and how we would succeed.. He said we need to have about four billion killed, the only people to live are people that are smart enough and willing to come together to figure out a way for humanity to continue on. This meaning ways to get to other planets, space travel, giving our own planet more habitability so we can live longer. He believes that a species only meaning is to grow and live on which is what we should be trying to do as much as possible.

It's a little extreme and brutal though.. To be honest you can think of a bunch of scenario's like these and all types of stuff but it's just never going to happen. I just don't see any hope for human race and I don't have the answers. Nobody does. If there was an answer the question wouldn't be being asked right now.

I had a similar scenario where we somehow make the moon/Mars/Venus habitable and move the vast majority over there and let them destroy those planets since they have no life on them while the minority allow the Earth to recover. You're right though, nobody has the answers, these scenarios probably arn't going to occur. So for the sake of the planet and all it's organisms, I hope humanity start focusing on what is more important.

Basically, you're saying that if a natural disaster struck we should leave all the people left homeless to die and just fix up the environment instead?
I'm all for this planet, I think animals and plants have as much a right to be here as we do. But if we don't fight for each other we lose our humanity. There's a reason we want to do something about things like the water crisis in Ethiopia, because we care about the lives of humans. It cruel for the privileged to do nothing when a group of people somewhere in the world are in any sort of crisis.
Sure, we need to protect our planet, but we need to do it together, not at the expense of a portion of the population.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Environment > Human population, we have enough humans, we need more animals and plants. In this situation humanity is a weakness that must be ignored for the greater good. It isn't fair, life isn't fair, Earth isn't going to fix itself while we're busy saving lives. Yes, but humanity is not very good at working together, we're better at going at each others throats. Therefore, it would be better for the environment if humanities numbers dropped dramatically.

You can't save everyone, no matter how hard you try. We might be able to somehow find a way to work together to fix Earth, but it's highly unlikely.

How about you join one of the voluntary extinction programs?


If I knew it would help the planet I would gladly cut my own throat right now. We need more than one death, it would be meaningless. We need to scale in the billions.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

You are quite the fanatical. Border-line crazy.

I have no problem with people who love nature and our planet. I love Earth, too. But do you know what Earth does that no other planet (as far as we know) can do? It can support life. All life. Human, plant, animal. We are all meant to use this earth to its full potential. We are all one giant ecosystem working together. You take one part away, you can damage the balance of things. Destroying almost all of humanity....would be horrible. It would in no way fix the planet. Yes, I admit that there are those who deliberately destroy nature, but that is what you should be trying to change. You should put your energy into trying to find ways to correct mankind's mistakes. Don't annihilate humanity. Fix its mistakes instead.

[Zaposchk]

You're more selfish than you think.

Think about it this way, you're angry because you want the earth to survive. But why? Animals, nature and shit... no. Not in the least. There's only so much connection you can make with animals. Instead, when you observe humans behaving in a manner that may disrupt our survival in the long-term, it bothers you because you think about the negative implications this will have on future generations. The Earth itself is a planet. Planets are devoid of emotion, so the Earth is pretty apathetic either way.

I'd propagate the view that instead of wasting time thinking about pointless scenarios like Volcanos erupting, or a virus that'll kill us all except for 'a few good people', go out. Raise awareness. Do some research into the long-term effects of globalisation, corporatism, capitalism, monetarism and all other entities which are argued to be destroying our chances of survival in the long-run.

~~

Don't take it personally. I understand exactly how you feel and I also want you to get a good understanding of what you're feeling and how to go about dealing with it. I'm an anarchist, I think about the future more than I've ever thought about the present. And now that I'm thinking about the present I realise I'm hungry. I'll leave you with that.

[FreeFall]

You're selfish and lazy.
Instead of trying to bust your ass for the earth and environment you seem to care about oh so dearly, or at least try to do your part, you're just going "Ah we're fucked. We should all just die! Raising awareness? Trying to do what I can for the earth? That's tooo much work man, toooo much work! No one cares but me, so let humanity just wipe out bro. That'll solve it."
Because the trash we left will just magically vanish and the animals will be ok in regards to it. Because the populations that have so little animals to keep it in check will just say "oh no more humans, time to populate like it's 1999!" Because the soil will say, oh lookit that no one to keep me fertile, let's let all the crops just magically grow with no problem! Because the roads left behind won't break and crumble and cause issues for the animals as things collapse and erode. Those oils and machines we leave behind, they'll be fine too. Just a few more years of pollution won't hurt, humans are gone. When the mines we never filled in collapse, no problem.

The plants and animals we oh so foolishly brought into new environments, invasive species, will and are doing more damage everyday. We're trying to fix our stupid mistakes and it'll take time, a lot of time, to fix it but you just rather we up and die. We were stupid back then. Back in the early 1900's and the 1800's, humans were stupid and didn't know any better. How were they supposed to know? They were our baby culture, the generations before us. Why don't we have the right to fix what they've done? After so many years of doing it? And can't you see we're trying? Those little eco cars and solar energy campaigns?

-The beavers from the US, in South America. There's nothing to eat them there and keep them in check. They've destroyed a huge chunk of the ecology there. They're taken out many of the protected trees. They're created massive flooding with their dams, they've swamped cattle grazing pastures, starving some cows. What will they do once we're gone? Continue to flourish and spread out? Destroying the trees? The eradication plan, is hard, because there are so many freaking beavers that have been there since the 40s.
-There's a Japanese vine in the US, Canada, Australia, Fiji and rapidly spreading. It's killing a huge amount of flora, taking many homes and food sources from the native animals. The idiots brought it to the US because that didn't know that a vine could be so dangerous, just that their cows loved it and it stopped soil erosion, ironically by the SES & CCC. The vine has crept from PA to the South. The South and west are covered and damaged by the vine. The vine has a special bond with Nitrogen fixing bacteria, it fixes things pretty much while it kills. And yet, it puts off enough NO and NO2 that it causes an increase in the ozone. That plant fixes, kills, wipes out, uproots trees and puts NO and NO2 into the ozones. With nothing to kill the vine in its destruction, with us gone, what do you think it will do?
-The Burmese Python, heard a story on it last month. It's killing our gators and many other species. The gators can kill it, but they can't kill the massive numbers of them when the snake is taking their young and their eggs. We have species that can kill the young no problem, but there's too many and the impact is showing. Ironically they were put into the land by a natural disaster, originally bred by humans to save them.
The snake is endangered in South East Asia, it's native home. So humans, brought them to Florida where they'd be comfy, to breed them, to reintroduce them back into Asia and help their populations. Well along comes a hurricane that destroys the facility and the snakes go free.
-Our earthworms. Somehow they're migrating to where they shouldn't be and they're killing the trees. How? Worms take the decayed matter and make it fresh, certain trees in the areas they've moved to need that decay and without it, they'll die. Take out the forest, you take out the animals. Not much we can do about them, since that one isn't from us directly.
-The Red Fox in Australia. Introduced sometime in the 1800s. They're wiping out many of the natural and native species. With nothing to really keep their populations in check besides humans, there is over 5 million of them. They have actually caused the extinction of some species. They're causing rapid and massive decline of others.
I'm tired now. But when humans are dead and done, do you assume that the invasive species will flourish and wipe out many of the natural things you want to save from us?
There's not much that can kill them, very few have any predators to fear. They can wipe out things that will never return. Or do you think we should all just die after we've handled the invasive pests?

[CharlieHorse]

I occasionally think like this...
But of course I want to save some people too. :D

[Cicero]

We aren't already focusing on our planet?! This is a shocker, what about all those initiatives the president is making for clean, green energy? What about all those hybrids. We cannot prevent volcanoe eruptions, thunder storms, or any other thing. Only the air. I really don't see how we are killing our planet, although I do believe we should help preserve our animals, and preserve more land for forests and stuff like that. I really don't see how we can care any more for this earth we live on then we do now.


But I do agree that the population is getting out of hand. There was a documentary I watched, that said if we keep making more people, we would run out of both space and food. So maybe before you have kids, you should keep in mind a few things like, can you afford kids? That's why china has a limit of 1 (or 2) kids per family. Although I disagree with how they handle extra kids, I do agree with partial control of population. But I do not agree with killing already born people.

[Human]

I should also add that humans are animals so we have similar rights to the others

[Taryn98]

The planet has survived way worse things than humans. Polar shift, asteroid bombardment, ice ages, global floods, fires, the shifting of tectonic plates, etc, etc.

People are just afraid of humans ability to survive as our planet changes whether it's man made or not. And really the harm that we're doing to the planet is caused by overpopulation. If we woke up tomorrow and the population was cut in half, industrialization/production/consumption would all drop off. There would be less resources used, and less waste created. The world would go on.

Humans shouldn't be wasting their time trying to make cleaner air/water, recycling, regulating, etc, we need to reverse the rise of population on a grand scale.

[Manjusri]

How about instead of adding to the problem, you work towards the solution? Sitting back and vouching to genocide a majority of the population is accepting bitter defeat.

More minds are capable of accomplishing more over a period of time, regardless on the mental capacity of each person. People strive in different aspects of a functioning planet / society. In fact i guarantee some drug dealers are more innovative than some leading executives.

Killing millions of people (even if they are considered useless) isn't getting to the real problem. Have you ever seen the show 'hoarders?' The psychiatrist doesn't just throw out all their shit and then leave them, they work with the person to achieve a better solution. Genocide works in the same fashion. You're eliminating the problem for limited time, not permanently.

We need to change the way people think, and killing them won't do that.

[MisterSix]

Earth will be here long after humans are gone. We cant destroy planets. I don't understand the whole 'killing the earth' thing

[Fractured Silhouette]

You're selfish and lazy.
Instead of trying to bust your ass for the earth and environment you seem to care about oh so dearly, or at least try to do your part, you're just going "Ah we're fucked. We should all just die! Raising awareness? Trying to do what I can for the earth? That's tooo much work man, toooo much work! No one cares but me, so let humanity just wipe out bro. That'll solve it."
Because the trash we left will just magically vanish and the animals will be ok in regards to it. Because the populations that have so little animals to keep it in check will just say "oh no more humans, time to populate like it's 1999!" Because the soil will say, oh lookit that no one to keep me fertile, let's let all the crops just magically grow with no problem! Because the roads left behind won't break and crumble and cause issues for the animals as things collapse and erode. Those oils and machines we leave behind, they'll be fine too. Just a few more years of pollution won't hurt, humans are gone. When the mines we never filled in collapse, no problem.

Yes I'm lazy, well done, you've discovered my not-so-well-hidden secret. Selfish? I fail to see how I'm being selfish by making a hypothetical thread. I've asked a question which hardly anyone has bothered answering, instead you're all just arguing about my viewpoint in the whole situation.

In response to your over-zealous reply, I don't think you're thinking long-term enough. After tens of thousands of years has passed the environment will essentially fix itself, yes the order will be different, food chains will have changed, the structure will be a mess, but the atmosphere will stay intact. The point is, nature will reclaim the planet and the natural structure will repair itself over the course of the years. All the environment needs is a few thousand years of no human interaction and it will essentially sort itself out.

Earth will be here long after humans are gone. We cant destroy planets. I don't understand the whole 'killing the earth' thing

We can't destroy Earth, but we can destroy it's natural resources and environment causing it to become a burnt out husk of a planet.

You're more selfish than you think.

Think about it this way, you're angry because you want the earth to survive.

What are you basing that theory on? I'm not angry, I am a little confused though. Everyone who replies to this thread seems to assume it's a nonsensical rant when I have clearly phrased a question at the bottom. I'm alright with people questioning my views but this is just being silly. How are you supposed to tell I'm angry from a few words? You've jumped to the wrong conclusion mate.

[FreeFall]

Yes I'm lazy, well done, you've discovered my not-so-well-hidden secret. Selfish? I fail to see how I'm being selfish by making a hypothetical thread. I've asked a question which hardly anyone has bothered answering, instead you're all just arguing about my viewpoint in the whole situation.

In response to your over-zealous reply, I don't think you're thinking long-term enough. After tens of thousands of years has passed the environment will essentially fix itself, yes the order will be different, food chains will have changed, the structure will be a mess, but the atmosphere will stay intact. The point is, nature will reclaim the planet and the natural structure will repair itself over the course of the years. All the environment needs is a few thousand years of no human interaction and it will essentially sort itself out.
How? How will the earth fix itself? How do you know this? How are you so sure of this? Once the vine has taken over as much as it can and killed off many of the native flora and fauna and spewed as much No and NO2 into the ozones as it could? Once the foxes have caused mass extinction of species? Once the earth worms have gotten so much of the decay the forests need another few million years to replenish and hope the erosion's not bad? Only for the worms to do it again?

This is how you're lazy. The Earth may not need humans, but it needs us to fix what we've done. You just want us to up and die, so Earth can just do its "thing" and selfish because despite being a part of our species you don't want to help, just say fuck it all Earth will do it!

[Zaposchk]

I'm not angry, I am a little confused though. I'm alright with people questioning my views but this is just being silly. How are you supposed to tell I'm angry from a few words? You've jumped to the wrong conclusion mate.

Angry, upset, bothered, irritated. I use all these terms loosely. You're posting it here. That's enough for me to assume it's at least on your mind.

Everyone who replies to this thread seems to assume it's a nonsensical rant when I have clearly phrased a question at the bottom.

Can we as humans save the planet? Or must we be extinguished for this planet to survive?

Your question is nonsensical because it's too early to conclude whether or not we will. The second part is also flawed because you use 'survive' as if the earth itself is a living organism. It isn't. It's a planet.

Again, the only reason why we care about the earth's 'survival' (for lack of a better word) is because our survival as a civilisation depends on it. Even if your reason is along the lines of 'I love different species', you are still motivated to save them so you can use them for your own selfish purposes. Simply observing them and getting joy from watching their lifestyle is a selfish purpose you're fulfilling.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Humans cannot destroy earth. They really cant.
Im more concerned about equal rights because its a more important concern, and 1000's of years closer to being a problem, its been a problem in fact since slavery.

[Horizon]

I don't you really thought out your question well, because instead of asking about what you think the solutions will be, you'd rather skip to a mass genocide of the human race. I think that is arrogant, especially when you say only certain people should survive. We don't need certain people to survive for the earth to heal, we need everyone that is already here to stop doing things that harm the environment. But let's be real about that, because we know they aren't going to stop. So yeah, wanting a mass genocide is just sick.

[FizZ]

I would like to end the world now.. because many people.are suffering.. and to be fair..

[ProudConservative]

Wow, just wow. Why would you kill everyone when they're tree-hugging environmentalists everywhere, just like you. Of course, I'm just an oil-loving freak, so what say would I have when you decide to destroy the world?

Did you know, that a nuclear holocaust would destroy the environment, including all the animals and cells required to have a healthy eco-system?

Did you know, that a super volcano would cover everything in ash, and the lava would burn everything down to the ground? How would the eco-system recover from that?

I'm also pretty sure that flesh-eating zombies would destroy the environment too because what do all living things have, flesh. So that would destroy everything.

An Ice Age would kill a lot, since a lot of living organisms can't handle the cold,would die. Think of how long it would take to re-create the eco-system after that.

Before you even think of replying to this, you honestly are making yourself seem so freaking ignorant, arrogant, and bit of psychotic craziness going on in your head. This most likely isn't true, so just re-think what you said, because pretty much every "solution" you have would kill everything, leaving the eco-system in ruins. Think man.

EDIT: Oh, I'm sorry we all forgot to answer your "question", but, yes, the Earth needs the humans to save the environment. But before we think of any of the bull, we need to fix our economy, and that answer lies right underneath the US, our oil and natural gases. When we get our economy back on track,I'll have no problem with the environmentalists "saving us, from us".

[Fractured Silhouette]

How? How will the earth fix itself? How do you know this? How are you so sure of this? Once the vine has taken over as much as it can and killed off many of the native flora and fauna and spewed as much No and NO2 into the ozones as it could? Once the foxes have caused mass extinction of species? Once the earth worms have gotten so much of the decay the forests need another few million years to replenish and hope the erosion's not bad? Only for the worms to do it again?

I am sure that the Earth can fix itself because it's been around for approximately 4 billion freaking years, it's safe to assume that the Earth has recovered from worse than pollutants and structures. It is also safe to assume that dominating apex predators have been around before now, and it indeed might wipe out a species of animal, or the population could evolve new traits which will help it's survival.

This is how you're lazy. The Earth may not need humans, but it needs us to fix what we've done. You just want us to up and die, so Earth can just do its "thing" and selfish because despite being a part of our species you don't want to help, just say fuck it all Earth will do it!

I already admitted that I was a lazy person. Did you not read my previous response?

Where did I say I didn't want help? Of course I want to help, and I do, in a small way, and hopefully in a more significant way once I finish university. What I want to know is if you think that we do have a chance not to balls up this planet in the future.

Angry, upset, bothered, irritated. I use all these terms loosely. You're posting it here. That's enough for me to assume it's at least on your mind.

So in your mind angry is the same as having something on your mind? According to you everyone on the planet is just as angry as I am.

Your question is nonsensical because it's too early to conclude whether or not we will. The second part is also flawed because you use 'survive' as if the earth itself is a living organism. It isn't. It's a planet.

So my question is make absurd because, according to you, it's "too early to tell" whether the Earth is too far gone? Do you even know what nonsensical means? So because "it's too early" to tell, I shouldn't discuss it all? It's better to discuss these things too early than too late though, isn't it?

Again, the only reason why we care about the earth's 'survival' (for lack of a better word) is because our survival as a civilisation depends on it. Even if your reason is along the lines of 'I love different species', you are still motivated to save them so you can use them for your own selfish purposes. Simply observing them and getting joy from watching their lifestyle is a selfish purpose you're fulfilling.

So I'm being selfish for caring for other species who share our planet? With that logic I guess you're being selfish by helping a friend because you're only doing it so that he thank you and so you get a good feeling. Your logic is true, but the entire human race is selfish, including you.

Wow, just wow. Why would you kill everyone when they're tree-hugging environmentalists everywhere, just like you. Of course, I'm just an oil-loving freak, so what say would I have when you decide to destroy the world?

You'd have nothing to say, case closed.

Before you even think of replying to this, you honestly are making yourself seem so freaking ignorant, arrogant, and bit of psychotic craziness going on in your head.

EDIT: Oh, I'm sorry we all forgot to answer your "question", but, yes, the Earth needs the humans to save the environment. But before we think of any of the bull, we need to fix our economy, and that answer lies right underneath the US, our oil and natural gases. When we get our economy back on track,I'll have no problem with the environmentalists "saving us, from us".

Yes because the statement above doesn't make you seem arrogant at all.

I didn't bother to answer the rest of your questions because I would just be repeating what I have already written in this thread.

[Zaposchk]

So I'm being selfish for caring for other species who share our planet? With that logic I guess you're being selfish by helping a friend because you're only doing it so that he thank you and so you get a good feeling. Your logic is true, but the entire human race is selfish, including you.

Of course. I willfully accept that. It's a fact that we as living organisms, do what benefits us first. That is the basis for all life. I didn't quote your other two points because much like your original post, they too were nonsensical.

[janisj182]

we didnt need too many disasterss

[Guillermo]

To be honest, if I had the chance, I would wipe every human off the face of the planet so that the environment could recover. In fact, I hope a super volcano goes off and wipes out 2/3 of the population and simultaneously causes another ice age or a meteorite hits Earth so hard that 99% of the population die.

I find it funny how you go from wanting to kill every human then 2/3 of humans and finally to 99%.

I mean, what's the fucking point of getting along with everyone if the planet has run out of resources, an increased number of species have become extinct, air becomes polluted because of the lack of forests, overpopulation so vast that we can hardly move, etc? Seriously I think we need to get our priorities straight.

- The planet has yet to run out of sustainable resources for humans' consumption. We are, however, exploiting them at alarming numbers. But it's mostly developed countries that are doing this - not the lesser developed ones.
- It's true that an increased number of species have become extinct; this happens everyday. But there are ways to prevent species from going extinct.
- Air becomes polluted due to greenhouse gases seeping into the atmosphere from human's actions. Plant life such as trees merely absorb the CO2 and give out oxygen. So they kind of 'clean up' the atmosphere but it's not because of them that the atmosphere is polluted.
- There's no consensus on whether or not humans have overpopulated this earth. Per capita, developed countries like U.S., Japan, and Germany pollute way more than countries like Brazil, Nigeria, and Indonesia. Also, about the 'overpopulation so vast that we can hardly move' thing, I'd like to point out Tokyo, Japan. Look at how they've dealt with a massive population of around 36,000,000. The largest city in the world has excelled at dealing with people and capacity.

I honestly believe we are nearly at the point of no return, so I ask you; can we as humans save the planet?

There's no easy answer to your question as others have said. Humanity is most definitely selfish; but we have the potential to pull together and care for the environment as well. Education really does play a critical role, though. There are many people that aren't educated about the environment and the differences that they can make from using contraception all the way to recycling.

Also, innovations in technology can help tremendously as well. The main problem with this is that 'going green' can be more expensive - especially in businesses. But there are plenty of green ways that people can accomplish without having to spend much money.

[stev]

So your saying innocent people deserve to die ?

[Zenos]

Something I don't understand is why we spend so much time trying to fix social issues in society when what we should be focusing on is the planet that we are killing. I mean really, I'm all for equal rights, but I think governments/companies/people in general should focus more on trying to fix the damage to the environment or at least stop it from progressing. To be honest, if I had the chance, I would wipe every human off the face of the planet so that the environment could recover. In fact, I hope a super volcano goes off and wipes out 2/3 of the population and simultaneously causes another ice age or a meteorite hits Earth so hard that 99% of the population die. The Earth needs a natural disaster, hell maybe not even a natural one, how about World War 3 and this time we include as many countries as we can?

I mean, what's the fucking point of getting along with everyone if the planet has run out of resources, an increased number of species have become extinct, air becomes polluted because of the lack of forests, overpopulation so vast that we can hardly move, etc? Seriously I think we need to get our priorities straight.

Also, if a company could create a virus that causes people to turn into flesh eating zombies, that would be cool to.

I honestly believe we are nearly at the point of no return, so I ask you; can we as humans save the planet? Or must we be extinguished for this planet to survive?

:yeah: Oh the Misanthorpy,the Misanthropy.
You hold my sentiments about people only to a lesser degree.:P

But being a fan of the flesh eating Zombie movie Genre,I like you're idea for the zombies:D

Keep up the good work and you'll be a real misanthrope one day!

[ackmedslayer556]

why do we need one?

[Zenos]

why do we need one?


To get rid of an ever rising population,to get rid of those who are not fit to survive and to give the Human race a chance to get tough again!


Actually I believe the human race goes through a rise to greatness,destruction and fall to start all back over again in cycles,and from the looks of it we are probably getting close to the breaking point once again!

[ackmedslayer556]

To get rid of an ever rising population,to get rid of those who are not fit to survive and to give the Human race a chance to get tough again!


Actually I believe the human race goes through a rise to greatness,destruction and fall to start all back over again in cycles,and from the looks of it we are probably getting close to the breaking point once again!

dude thats kinda mean lol. but i understand what your saying. the worlds pop is rising just way to fast

[Zenos]

dude thats kinda mean lol. but i understand what your saying. the worlds pop is rising just way to fast



Mean? Well I wouldn't call it mean exactly, more like a hard calculating look at the facts,but not mean.

But then maybe it's just people have become soft!

[ackmedslayer556]

Mean? Well I wouldn't call it mean exactly, more like a hard calculating look at the facts,but not mean.

But then maybe it's just people have become soft!

lol true enough

[Zenos]

lol true enough

I wonder how many people in America can walk a mile non-stop without rest these days?

[ProudConservative]

I wonder how many people in America can walk a mile non-stop without rest these days?

I can walk/hike at least 5 miles without rest, and bike at least 10 miles without a rest.

[ackmedslayer556]

I wonder how many people in America can walk a mile non-stop without rest these days?

lol idk depends how tough they are

[Zenos]

lol idk depends how tough they are

lol I have a cousin thats absolutly putty,he's so out of shape he can't walk down his drive way without getting winded.

Guess i know someones that's zombie bait when the Zombie Apocalypse happens:rolleyes:

[ackmedslayer556]

lol agreed

[Zenos]

The only reason i would dread of any kind that would whipe out most human life on the planet is because i'd miss my freinds and family,plus there are people out there that i'd never get to know.

Then there's the fact libraries and such would probably get destroyed and there would go collections of the worllds wisdom that has been built up over vast amounts of time,which I would never then get the chance to read and learn.

[Irishperson15]

Yes, that makes sense, because a volcanic eruption would simultaneously cause an ice-age . . . I know and am well aware there are some bad people in the world, and there are people suffering, but think of all the nice things and the good people here on Earth! All the technology, the healthcare and cures we have developed, the smart super-geniuses we have, and all the nice people we have here! That wpuld be a waste if it all ended . . .