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HunterSteele
January 18th, 2013, 02:01 AM
My mom's been having trouble with her computer lately and she asked me to reinstall Windows. I agreed to do it since reinstalling Windows is easy enough, but with her the simplest routine things need to turn into complete disasters. It started while backing up her files. She asked me to remove Solitaire and Pinball since she doesn't play those. I told her that I would do it after the reinstall process when I was restoring her files. She insisted that I did it right now. I told her that since they were Windows components if I were to remove them before reinstalling they would simply come back in the fresh install. She then swore at me for never doing anything she told me to.

The reinstall process itself went fine. I put the disk in, rebooted, and let the installer do the work. After it was done and during the final reboot before the desktop appeared, I noticed a menu asking which operating system to start and both options were identical. It turned out the hard drive had two partitions-- one with Windows installed on it and containing all the files, and another blank one. I had installed Windows to the blank one instead of wiping the first one and reinstalling Windows there.

Not being able to find a way to just delete a partition, I decided to merge them, wipe the merged partition, and reinstall Windows again. Unfortunately the program I downloaded to merge them wouldn't merge the boot partition. No problem, I thought. I'll just make a bootable USB drive with Linux and a partition manager on it and it'll merge the partitions just fine.

Of course booting from a USB drive is a perfectly normal thing to do when working on a computer. But get this-- my mom's computer can't! It's too old to support USB booting. She got it from her relative about five years ago and it was already old then. I tried using a program to make my flash drive emulate a USB Zip or floppy drive (which her computer can boot from) but that didn't work either. I told her that at this point it may be best to buy a new computer. Instead of just doing that like a reasonable person, she uses her sarcasm and fucking mind games which she loves so much. She told me that I could just leave it-- she didn't really need a computer at all and that I didn't need to finish the process. I offered to buy her a new computer and she said if I did she's throw it in the garbage. You'd think she was just saying that because she was frustrated, but no. She has on at least one previous occasion thrown out something I bought for her on mother's day purely on principle.

I'd just forget about the whole thing, but she still keeps bothering me about her computer. The only think I can think of next is to burn a CD that lets you boot from a USB device, but if nothing else works, why would this? On top of it all, I spend most of my time at my dad's house and my mom's computer is at her house. I can't stand to spend any time at her house with her because she's always getting mad over nothing and calling me names. I could also remove the drive and put it in another computer to merge the partitions, but to put it simply I just don't want to. She treats me too much like shit for me to bother doing that.

Does anyone have any ideas, technical or otherwise, for how to fix this mess?

ethanf93
January 18th, 2013, 09:26 AM
I'm unfortunately not too familiar with the Windows XP reinstall system, but you have some sort of reinstall disk, right? When it prompts you to select which partition to install onto I believe there should be an option to wipe out the whole drive and install there. (at least this is how Linux does it for the most part, Windows doesn't really play well with partitions etc so your results may vary)

As for using a live system to try to repartition the disk, you'll probably need to use an older Linux system that's been designed to run on hardware this old - and burn it to a physical CD.

HunterSteele
January 18th, 2013, 10:37 AM
I'm unfortunately not too familiar with the Windows XP reinstall system, but you have some sort of reinstall disk, right? When it prompts you to select which partition to install onto I believe there should be an option to wipe out the whole drive and install there. (at least this is how Linux does it for the most part, Windows doesn't really play well with partitions etc so your results may vary)
Thanks for the suggestion. I do have a reinstall disk and will try to see if there is an option wipe the whole drive. If not, I'll try using a CD to boot from the USB drive I already made and if that doesn't work I will look for an older Linux system and burn it to a CD.

Silicate Wielder
January 18th, 2013, 07:15 PM
I know of plop, but I don't know how well it will work for you, I tried it it seemed to work but the usb boot option didin't work. so I don't know how well it would work, if it dosn't restart the computer go into your boot options, then get your mom and show her that it isn't working, only thing I can think of.

logangarcia
January 20th, 2013, 01:55 AM
If it truly is something wrong with the hard drive, buy an external USB enclosure and wipe it from your computer. Completely format the thing. It could be something else, but for now, I'd try that if you want to. Once you do that, install XP from your computer onto the new hard drive. If your computer is newer, it will be a whole lot faster. Just make sure that you are installing it to your mother's hard drive, not yours. :P

HunterSteele
January 20th, 2013, 07:28 PM
I ran the Windows installer again today and I was able to delete both partitions with it and reinstall Windows on one empty partition. Who would've thought the solution was right under my nose? Thanks to everyone who responded. I appreciate your help.

My mom promised to take me out for dim sum if I fixed it. Who wants to be that she'll come up with an excuse not to?

If it truly is something wrong with the hard drive, buy an external USB enclosure and wipe it from your computer. Completely format the thing. It could be something else, but for now, I'd try that if you want to. Once you do that, install XP from your computer onto the new hard drive. If your computer is newer, it will be a whole lot faster. Just make sure that you are installing it to your mother's hard drive, not yours. :P
You can't move Windows installations between computers. Because the hardware configurations are different on each computer, moving a Windows drive between computers wouldn't work. Also, the computer you install XP on (assuming you can move it between computers, which you can't) has nothing to do with how fast it'll run-- that all has to do with the computer running it.

If the hard drive was busted, putting it in another computer wouldn't fix it. In this case there was nothing wrong with the drive, I just needed to merge the partitions.
if it dosn't restart the computer go into your boot options, then get your mom and show her that it isn't working,
What would the boot options have to do with it?

Silicate Wielder
January 20th, 2013, 08:34 PM
well going in there would be a good idea so she can't complain about you not doing what she says.
this is what I would think.

Axw_JD
January 30th, 2013, 12:38 AM
FYI you actually CAN move Windows between different computers (XP requires a reactivation and the CPU vendor to be the same, and there are a handful of other issues for all of them except 8).

Windows 8 has an install mode called "Windows to Go" which isn't technically out yet but can be used with any Windows 8 bootable media.

Also for future reference, ever since Windows 98, the Windows PE (Preinstallation Environment) contains the hard drive management tool: you can use it to move, delete, extend and create partitions and (in some cases) merge them (Vista and up). PE is the Windows installation, is what it loads for the install process. Also, the recovery console has a hdd manager as well that can be used to configure the hard drive (but lacks any sort of GUI).

logangarcia
February 18th, 2013, 08:16 PM
FYI you actually CAN move Windows between different computers (XP requires a reactivation and the CPU vendor to be the same, and there are a handful of other issues for all of them except 8).

Haha thanks! I have done it before, I didn't say it was flawless, but it worked.

Silicate Wielder
February 21st, 2013, 03:07 PM
Thanks for the suggestion. I do have a reinstall disk and will try to see if there is an option wipe the whole drive. If not, I'll try using a CD to boot from the USB drive I already made and if that doesn't work I will look for an older Linux system and burn it to a CD.

I checked out why my disk wasn't working so I looked and apparently if the disk dosn't have the proper drivers it won't work. (My system seems to halt when trying to activate drivers in order to bootup) you can either buy a new Windows XP disk or you could try installing a newer operating system.