According to the Bible the “End Times” Should Have ALREADY Occurred!

[Zenos]

Jesus and his apostles made MANY prophecies concerning the Armageddon. Christians would have you believe that it shall come as “a thief in the night”. Yet, the Bible is rather clear concerning when it would happen. Matter of fact, the Bible consistently said it would follow soon after Jesus’ death. When you point out such verses to Christians they will try to weasel it out of it by saying Christ was talking about his “future” apostles versus the ones he was directly speaking to. All it takes is a close examinations of the pronouns used in order to see that Christ truly did believe the end times would have happened nearly 2,000 years ago. Keep in mind that the Bible claims it is “fit for reproof’ and Christianity “lives and dies on the resurrection and end times”. If we are to believe these verses and accept that the end time prophecies failed then surely the whole book is invalid.


http://www.evilbible.com/end_times.htm

[Lost in the Echo]

Yeah, I agree with you. I've always thought that a lot of things in the bible didn't really sound logical. Just my opinion though. :)

[Jupiter]

I dunno, the worlds been around for millions if years. Maybe 200 years isn't that long after he died

[Zenos]

Yeah, I agree with you. I've always thought that a lot of things in the bible didn't really sound logical. Just my opinion though. :)

A good example isa that Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is within,and yet about 30 some years later Paul who never met the man is teaching that the Kingdom of heaven is without by saying it will be an earthly kingdom established on earth when Jesus returns,which is in contradiction to Jesus' claism about the kingdom of heaven being within and thus spiritual and not earthly.

I think Paul sidetracked the teachings of Jesus,but at the same time by spouting off his own beliefs,kept the Cult of Jesus going.

[Sir Suomi]

*Facepalm* Please tell me you really have read the bible?

Alright, this is coming straight out of my bible, so you obviously have not read the bible, as you have clearly not read this verse. Sorry if you consider this preaching. I'll put a little summary at the bottom if you really don't feel like reading it. Hope this is alright Mods.

Mark 13:32-37
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come. It's like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch. Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back-whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!'"

Basically, Peter, James, John, and Andrew(Jesus's Desciples) ask Jesus about when the world shall end. Jesus responds by saying neither the Son(Jesus), Man(Us), nor angels know about the end of the world. Only the Father(God) knows, and that man should be on lookout for signs of the upcoming Armageddon(If you want to more info on that, look up Revelations). So saying that Jesus predicted the end of the world 2,000 years ago is a lie, unless you have any other evidence. Sorry if this seemed like me preaching, but I do get quite offended when people misunderstand my religion.

[Human]

I dunno, the worlds been around for millions if years. Maybe 200 years isn't that long after he died

BILLIONS of years :P


The bible clearly isn't accurate, after so many rewritings of it. I don't believe in it anyway.

[Zenos]

*Facepalm* Please tell me you really have read the bible?

Alright, this is coming straight out of my bible, so you obviously have not read the bible, as you have clearly not read this verse.

(never tell someone they have never read the bible when you don't know if they have are not..thats a false assumption)

Sorry if you consider this preaching. I'll put a little summary at the bottom if you really don't feel like reading it. Hope this is alright Mods.

Mark 13:32-37
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come. It's like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch. Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back-whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!'"



(Oh yeh how's about Matthew 26:64 & Mark 14:62 where Jesus tells the high priest that he would live to see his second coming!
"But I tell you: From now on you will see 'the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power' and 'coming on the clouds of heaven.'" (Matthew 26:64 NAB)

Then Jesus answered, "I am; and 'you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.'" (Mark 14:62 NAB) )


Basically, Peter, James, John, and Andrew(Jesus's Desciples) ask Jesus about when the world shall end. Jesus responds by saying neither the Son(Jesus), Man(Us), nor angels know about the end of the world. Only the Father(God) knows, and that man should be on lookout for signs of the upcoming Armageddon(If you want to more info on that, look up Revelations). So saying that Jesus predicted the end of the world 2,000 years ago is a lie, unless you have any other evidence. Sorry if this seemed like me preaching, but I do get quite offended when people misunderstand my religion.


How about where he say he will return and establish his kingdom in the lifetime of his disciples?

Matthew 23:36 & 24:34

Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36 NAB)



"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Matthew 24:29-35 NAB)



Face it dude the generation he was talking about was the members of those of his time and that generation has been dust for centuries.

Yes the bible does have some sound spiritual and moral teachings to be found in it,but it also has contradictions in it as well.

I'm just saying that with in the bible can be found scripture that backs up other scripture,but at the same time there can be found scripture talking about the same subject that contradicts other scirpture

[TheBigUnit]

How about where he say he will return and establish his kingdom in the lifetime of his disciples?


Face it dude the generation he was talking about was the members of those of his time and that generation has been dust for centuries.


Jesus flat out said he has no clue when the world will end and only God does, the "generation" thing he was talking about was the gift of the Holy Spirit, clearly you are looking from the outside in

The Bible (I'm talking mostly new testament) isn't a device from the Da Vinci code, it wasn't made to be broken down and analized
scriptures are meant to reform and help people and not to have dates to look out for like in that movie the Knowing

[FreeFall]

I used to eat the bible for all my meals, so I think I'm remotely credible and blah blah blah.

I think the bible (in it's wonderful slew of contradictions too) stated that the end will come when no one expects it.
but I remember one verse in Revelations (that right? It's been awhile) saying the time was near so throw yourself to god or something.

So basically, as long as we have those "the end is neigh!" people screaming ever couple of months, we'll be safe.

The bible didn't much take into account that one day we would have a leap year or a Lunar, Julian and Gregorian calenders which have dates off when compared to each other. Nor did the Mayans. So pretty much, if we erase the B.C. and A.D. and try to do the math without the leap year or calender switch, the earth is...pretty damn old.
So it couldn't really predict, besides some angel really did just say only god knows so don't worry guys, god's got it.

[Gigablue]

Matthew 16:28 (NIV)
Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

This is Jesus talking to his followers. I think the meaning is pretty clear; the bible says that the end times should have takes place during the lifetimes of the original followers of Jesus.

[Cicero]

Actually, it wouldn't have happened 2,000 years ago. The book of Revelation was written by the apostle Paul. Many of the symbolism in that book represents the (what some may say, near) future. When it says the mark of the beast will be needed to do trade and such, they really don't mean 666, but a symbolism for 666, maybe even a way for the government to track people. The book of revelations is clear, that not even the angels know when that time comes. I've already went over that website, and some of the other teachings this guy makes pulls the bible out of context. Jesus made it clear, that no one knows when that time will come. It could've came 20 minutes after Jesus was risen from the grave, or 20,000 years.

There are signs that the bible says of when that time will come, such as the mark of the beast on the forehead or right hand, one world currency/government (well, one world order), and a time of false peace among Israel and its enemies. It also says that a great dragon will come out of the earth and water. Each symbolizing religion and government.

The bible doesn't say "Ok, so on January 29, one world government will take place, then shortly after (approx. 7 years) the world will end by the anti Christ." It's not like that.

The bible also says, that no one can fully understand the bible. You must pray to God, that he and the Holy Ghost help you achieve understanding of the bible. People who have studied the bible their whole lives don't understand it fully. The bible is fully of history, analogies, etc. and you simply cannot just say "Oh well, here's one scripture that says...".

I'm sure you're thinking (when I said one world currency) that's impossible, well, not really. Ideas have already been pondered about this. Here's how I think about it, Europe has already went to a one currency system. America, and Europe are going through tuff times, Greece, Italy, etc. are going through record high unemployment. The idea of a one world currency is probably starting to look kinda good to them. The Russian president has even suggested a one world currency. So obviously, it's looking a lot closer than what people think.

Also, I really don't think it's that great for someone who doesn't already understand a little of what the bible says to read the book of revelations. The book of revelation is more about God putting his fist down on the secular world, and finally giving justice to all those who have been killed for believing in Christianity. The book of revelations isn't that type of book where the secular world would go to to find comfort in. In the bible, it says that before all this turmoil begins, the saved will be taken to heaven (the rapture) and God will begin his punishment on the world. Sadly, this book is a favorite among people like the Westboro church, cause they try to scare people into Christianity. Which is the worst thing to do, Christianity is about love and forgiveness.but those type of people don't understand, and God specifically says that people like them are sinning because they're scaring people away from God.

Now you're probably thinking "if God is why forgiving, why couldn't he just forgive the world and not punish it", well, he does this because he's punishing it. Hundreds of millions of people died in the name of Christ, because of the secular world. And just letting that go without punishment isn't right or even just. It's like a judge, it'd be great if a judge let a murderer go for killing an innocent person (only good for the murdderer though) but it wouldn't show justice to those affected families. Will their be Christians who are saved after the rapture? Yes. Will they get beamed up to heaven because they got saved AFTER the rapture? No.

The left behind movies are a great explanation of the book of revelation.

Overall, no one knows when the time will come. The bible says it many times. The bible also says to beware of false preachers who preach nothing but lies. So whenever you see a preacher claiming he got a vision of when the world is gonna end, don't think that God told him. He's obviously a false teacher.

How about where he say he will return and establish his kingdom in the lifetime of his disciples?

Once again, you don't understand. God said he will return to build a new heaven and new earth for his disciples. Meaning followers. Disciple literally means a follower or teacher. You can't just open the bible, look at a random verse, and understand it. It doesn't work like that. Only true believers of God, who pray for understanding, can sometimes understand it. You must pray, and think and study each verse. Not just read it like you do any other book.

A good example isa that Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is within,and yet about 30 some years later Paul who never met the man is teaching that the Kingdom of heaven is without by saying it will be an earthly kingdom established on earth when Jesus returns,which is in contradiction to Jesus' claism about the kingdom of heaven being within and thus spiritual and not earthly.

I think Paul sidetracked the teachings of Jesus,but at the same time by spouting off his own beliefs,kept the Cult of Jesus going.

This is referring to the kingdom of God within each person. It's an analogy. He was saying that God wants his followers to keep themselves pure. You're still plucking verses without fully knowing what they mean. Paul was referring to the future earth. In the book of revelation it says that God will make a new heaven and earth for his disciples/followers. You do not fully understand the verses. If you we're to have a study bible (which isn't found online, their $50) it would explain what each verse means, verse by verse. I would gladly tell you what mine says, to clear up all these lies and confusion people are having on here about certain verses.

On another note.

God ends the world, because it has become deprived and corrupt and evil. It basically gets out of control. God gives signs of when that time will come.

[TigerBoy]

The Bible (I'm talking mostly new testament) isn't a device from the Da Vinci code, it wasn't made to be broken down and analized

1) this seems just another way of saying "it is incoherent, inaccurate and unreliable"
2) there are plenty of bible scholars who beg to differ
3) these scholars wouldn't still be going at it if the bible was coherent, accurate and reliable.

The book of revelations is clear, that not even the angels know when that time comes.
Given what a bad trip the book of revelations is compared to the rest of the bible, it would be foolish to assume that any of it can only be interpreted in one clear way when the rest is still being argued over.


Jesus made it clear, that no one knows when that time will come. It could've came 20 minutes after Jesus was risen from the grave, or 20,000 years.
Except as has been pointed out above, it is made very clear.

The bible doesn't say "Ok, so on January 29, one world government will take place, then shortly after (approx. 7 years) the world will end by the anti Christ." It's not like that.
Except where it is, per Matthew 16:28 as already said.


The bible also says, that no one can fully understand the bible.
Great caveat - "if you can't understand this its because you aren't holy enough, not because this is incoherent, inconsistent and innacurate. Its YOUR fault, you sinner." :rolleyes:

and you simply cannot just say "Oh well, here's one scripture that says...".
Actually you can, but when you disagree with the priest, he starts talking like you are in your post here. It's just mind games.


So whenever you see a preacher claiming he got a vision of when the world is gonna end, don't think that God told him. He's obviously a false teacher.
And specifically, Jesus also said to judge preachers by their actions an consequences of their preaching. You already know my thoughts on the Catholic Church in that regard.

Once again, you don't understand. [...] Only true believers of God, who pray for understanding, can sometimes understand it.
Classic. I expect this also is the exact same argument used by each of the 40,000 different Christian sects to explain to the other 39,999 why they are right and the others are wrong.


You must pray, and think and study each verse. Not just read it like you do any other book.
Right, you need to suspend rational thought and logic.

It's an analogy.
Every 'fact' that the bible claims which is disproven by science become an 'analogy' too, ever notice that?


God ends the world, because it has become deprived and corrupt and evil. It basically gets out of control. God gives signs of when that time will come.
Other Christian sects disagree, and believe we have to make the world ready for him by making it better. Some actively try to make it worse because they think it will hasten God's coming.

[Cicero]

1) this seems just another way of saying "it is incoherent, inaccurate and unreliable"
2) there are plenty of bible scholars who beg to differ
3) these scholars wouldn't still be going at it if the bible was coherent, accurate and reliable.


Given what a bad trip the book of revelations is compared to the rest of the bible, it would be foolish to assume that any of it can only be interpreted in one clear way when the rest is still being argued over.


Except as has been pointed out above, it is made very clear.




Except where it is, per Matthew 16:28 as already said.


Great caveat - "if you can't understand this its because you aren't holy enough, not because this is incoherent, inconsistent and innacurate. Its YOUR fault, you sinner." :rolleyes:


Actually you can, but when you disagree with the priest, he starts talking like you are in your post here. It's just mind games.


And specifically, Jesus also said to judge preachers by their actions an consequences of their preaching. You already know my thoughts on the Catholic Church in that regard.


Classic. I expect this also is the exact same argument used by each of the 40,000 different Christian sects to explain to the other 39,999 why they are right and the others are wrong.


Right, you need to suspend rational thought and logic.


Every 'fact' that the bible claims which is disproven by science become an 'analogy' too, ever notice that?


Other Christian sects disagree, and believe we have to make the world ready for him by making it better. Some actively try to make it worse because they think it will hasten God's coming.

You're just obsessed with the Catholic Church aren't you? I never mentioned the Catholic Church (which isn't the only branch of Christianity). The bible says that you must pray to God for understanding before reading the bible, you pray so that the Holy Ghost gives you understanding. I never said anything about not being holy enough, I just said that no one will fully understand it, every single theologian doesn't fully understand the bible. Here's what the study bible says about mathew 24:6-35. When they say generation, he may mean "race, indicating that Israel as a people will not cease to exist before god fulfills his promises to them. Another possibility is that the word describes a particular era in which people will see the end times. That is, the events will occur so rapidly that all will happen within one generation perhaps both interpretations are true."

Those are what the theologians mean by race, even some parts of this NON CATHOLIC (you seem to thinking everything I talk about is about Catholicism) study bible tell the meaning of specific words or phrases.

1) this seems just another way of saying "it is incoherent, inaccurate and unreliable"
2) there are plenty of bible scholars who beg to differ
3) these scholars wouldn't still be going at it if the bible was coherent, accurate and reliable.


Given what a bad trip the book of revelations is compared to the rest of the bible, it would be foolish to assume that any of it can only be interpreted in one clear way when the rest is still being argued over.


Except as has been pointed out above, it is made very clear.


Except where it is, per Matthew 16:28 as already said.


Great caveat - "if you can't understand this its because you aren't holy enough, not because this is incoherent, inconsistent and innacurate. Its YOUR fault, you sinner." :rolleyes:


Actually you can, but when you disagree with the priest, he starts talking like you are in your post here. It's just mind games.


And specifically, Jesus also said to judge preachers by their actions an consequences of their preaching. You already know my thoughts on the Catholic Church in that regard.


Classic. I expect this also is the exact same argument used by each of the 40,000 different Christian sects to explain to the other 39,999 why they are right and the others are wrong.


Right, you need to suspend rational thought and logic.


Every 'fact' that the bible claims which is disproven by science become an 'analogy' too, ever notice that?


Other Christian sects disagree, and believe we have to make the world ready for him by making it better. Some actively try to make it worse because they think it will hasten God's coming.

You're just obsessed with the Catholic Church aren't you? I never mentioned the Catholic Church (which isn't the only branch of Christianity). The bible says that you must pray to God for understanding before reading the bible, you pray so that the Holy Ghost gives you understanding. I never said anything about not being holy enough, I just said that no one will fully understand it, every single theologian doesn't fully understand the bible. Here's what the study bible says about mathew 24:6-35. When they say generation, he may mean "race, indicating that Israel as a people will not cease to exist before god fulfills his promises to them. Another possibility is that the word describes a particular era in which people will see the end times. That is, the events will occur so rapidly that all will happen within one generation perhaps both interpretations are true."

This is a non catholic bible too! It's a study bible, where the best and most revered theologians came together to make this study bible. Each word or phrase of every verse has an interpretation to provide the meaning.

I merged your double posts, please don't do that constantly. -StoppingTime

[CharlieFinley]

BILLIONS of years :P


The bible clearly isn't accurate, after so many rewritings of it. I don't believe in it anyway.

Right. The clearly inaccurate New Testament that has never once been proven wrong. That inaccurate Bible.

Also, I think this would be an opportune moment to comment on the likely bias of a website called "evilbible.com."

[TigerBoy]

You're just obsessed with the Catholic Church aren't you?
Since you are always championing their views, I find myself responding in kind where I disagree with those views.

I never mentioned the Catholic Church (which isn't the only branch of Christianity).
A point I made myself in my post, which you appear to have missed.

The bible says that you must pray to God for understanding before reading the bible, you pray so that the Holy Ghost gives you understanding. I never said anything about not being holy enough, I just said that no one will fully understand it, every single theologian doesn't fully understand the bible.
You are missing the point I'm making, which is essentially any one Christian can make the claim that another "does not understand" and therefore needs to pray more, whenever they disagree over an interpretation. It is an unlimited theological "get out of jail free" argument.

Here's what the study bible says about mathew 24:6-35. When they say generation, he may mean "race, indicating that Israel as a people will not cease to exist before god fulfills his promises to them. Another possibility is that the word describes a particular era in which people will see the end times. That is, the events will occur so rapidly that all will happen within one generation perhaps both interpretations are true."

Oh super, so we have a "prediction" that the world will end maybe in 20 years, maybe a thousand, but it could be tens of thousands. Not exactly an impressive feat of divine prediction with that margin of error. About as useful as the Mayan doomsayers and their ilk.

[Zenos]

Jesus flat out said he has no clue when the world will end and only God does, the "generation" thing he was talking about was the gift of the Holy Spirit, clearly you are looking from the outside in


(but that the same time there is scripture that states flat out that he will be returning in the lifetime sof his disciples.)

The Bible (I'm talking mostly new testament) isn't a device from the Da Vinci code, it wasn't made to be broken down and analized
scriptures are meant to reform and help people and not to have dates to look out for like in that movie the Knowing


Lets face it early hacks who didn't know much about other languages,have messed the bible up during their translations!

Right. The clearly inaccurate New Testament that has never once been proven wrong. That inaccurate Bible.

Also, I think this would be an opportune moment to comment on the likely bias of a website called "evilbible.com."


Yeh thats right call it bias when a website actually points out contradictions ina religions scriptures.

Or better yet do like some just ignore said contradictions and continue to use pseudo-reasoning.



Oh and to who ever negged me and left this message with the neg "You are disgustingly offensive and rude. You need to stop mistranslating and twisting the scriptures."

How about be mature and stop negging people just because you disagree with them,instead be an adult and reply inthe thread to them on how you feel and stop abusing the rep system. Stop being childish,I am simply showing where there are contardictory scriptures,and instead you see mistranslation and twisting of scriptures.

Sad thing is you're probvably one of those christians that would have no problem twisting and mistranslating the bleifs and pracxtoces of Wicca and other forms of Paganism and claiming it's all satanism and devilworship!


I merged your double posts, please don't do that constantly. -StoppingTime

[TigerBoy]

Yeh thats right call it bias when a website actually points out contradictions ina religions scriptures.

Or better yet do like some just ignore said contradictions and continue to use pseudo-reasoning.

I do sympathise. It turns out "evil" can be a relative moral term. An act committed by one person may be considered evil by a second, yet that first person might consider NOT acting to have been the evil choice. Consider a Doctor faced with the case of a dying child in need of a blood transfusion, when that child's parent's are Jehovah's Witnesses.

Actions committed using the bible as justification or the Church as a shield have often been evil on a massive scale in the eyes of those such as victims of Hitler's Nazism, inquisitions, child abuse etc.

Some would feel perfectly entitled on that basis to refer to the bible as 'evil' after having had it used as a weapon against them by evildoers. That doesn't prevent them from possessing the capacity for rational thought or having a valid opinion on the matter.

[Human]

Right. The clearly inaccurate New Testament that has never once been proven wrong. That inaccurate Bible.

Also, I think this would be an opportune moment to comment on the likely bias of a website called "evilbible.com."

How do you know the New Testament is so accurate? And erm... I didn't use evilbible.com, where did you find out your information? The new testament? I think that's bias too. Or some christian site? That's bias as well.

Or maybe I was talking about the old testament?

[Clawhammer]

Hey, look! A single teenager flying in the face of every other person who has ever interpreted the Bible, making claims that he has translated it the right way! How amazing. Almost seems vaguely familiar.
Dude, we've been in the end times for a long time. The whole point is that nobody knows, and God will make things happen in His own time. So stop putting words in Jesus' mouth, and worry more about what you do with the world, and less about when it's going to end, and whether certain books are historically accurate.

[Gaybaby94]

And according to the bible, homosexuals must be stoned to death and rape victims must marry their rapists. The bible is just like any other fiction book. But I do agree that no one knows when the "End of the world" will happen.

[TheBigUnit]

Lets face it early hacks who didn't know much about other languages,have messed the bible up during their translations!

or just ur not really understanding?

[TigerBoy]

or just ur not really understanding?

He needs to pray more, right?

[Cicero]

Since you are always championing their views, I find myself responding in kind where I disagree with those views.


A point I made myself in my post, which you appear to have missed.


You are missing the point I'm making, which is essentially any one Christian can make the claim that another "does not understand" and therefore needs to pray more, whenever they disagree over an interpretation. It is an unlimited theological "get out of jail free" argument.


Oh super, so we have a "prediction" that the world will end maybe in 20 years, maybe a thousand, but it could be tens of thousands. Not exactly an impressive feat of divine prediction with that margin of error. About as useful as the Mayan doomsayers and their ilk.

Well God didn't want to provide the date, cause it could be a depressing thing knowing the day. He has given signs. If you knew when you were gonna die, wouldn't that be a mixed feeling of good and bad? Good because you can live every day like its the last, and bad cause when that day gets closer, you become scared and worried. Well that's for me at least. God says leave each day as if Christ was returning.

[Elysium]

There have been many, many predictions for the end of the world in various forms; I'm sure people were concerned about the matter before Jesus and Christianity. Of course, the Bible and other religious texts are also very subjective and determined by the interpretation and views of the reader.

[TigerBoy]

Well God didn't want to provide the date, cause it could be a depressing thing knowing the day. He has given signs. If you knew when you were gonna die, wouldn't that be a mixed feeling of good and bad? Good because you can live every day like its the last, and bad cause when that day gets closer, you become scared and worried. Well that's for me at least. God says leave each day as if Christ was returning.

So he tells us we're going to have all this terrible stuff - the Tribulation, Last Judgement, Antichrist sacrificing Christians and whatnot - but won't tell us when to stop us getting depressed? Your argument seems to be that God is doing pretty much the same thing serial killers do in horror films specifically to increase the suspense and scariness ... in order to make it easier on us.

On the contrary, the day all the righteous get to become immortal or Christ commencing his rule of 1000 years doesn't seem to be something to worry about. The rapture doesn't appear to require anyone to die, and the final resurrection brings everyone already 'dead in Christ' back to life in any case, so no real bother there either.

[Zenos]

or just ur not really understanding?



:rolleyes:Thats the typical tactic right there"surely the person is not really understanding it". Dude thats the tactic used to comfort you're self that you have the true meaning of the texts and the person you are talking to does not!

When the truth is :

1) you don't know,you are just assuming said person doesn't understand


2) the bible has been translated many times and does have mistranslations found with in it.

Hey, look! A single teenager flying in the face of every other person who has ever interpreted the Bible, making claims that he has translated it the right way! How amazing. Almost seems vaguely familiar.
Dude, we've been in the end times for a long time. The whole point is that nobody knows, and God will make things happen in His own time. So stop putting words in Jesus' mouth, and worry more about what you do with the world, and less about when it's going to end, and whether certain books are historically accurate.



:lol: this whole ends time thing is kept alive due to what is known as dispensationalism which is started in the 19th century.

Plus you are not even considering the fact that within the bible there is contradictory statements about the end of the world.

In short the world should have ended after Jesus' generation had passed away.

And unlike what someone else said to make the bible alll accurate a generation is not a race,but the entire body of individuals born and living at about the same time


http://www.gotquestions.org/dispensationalism.html


http://www.theologicalstudies.org/resource-library/dispensationalism/421-what-is-dispensationalism



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[Cicero]

So he tells us we're going to have all this terrible stuff - the Tribulation, Last Judgement, Antichrist sacrificing Christians and whatnot - but won't tell us when to stop us getting depressed? Your argument seems to be that God is doing pretty much the same thing serial killers do in horror films specifically to increase the suspense and scariness ... in order to make it easier on us.

On the contrary, the day all the righteous get to become immortal or Christ commencing his rule of 1000 years doesn't seem to be something to worry about. The rapture doesn't appear to require anyone to die, and the final resurrection brings everyone already 'dead in Christ' back to life in any case, so no real bother there either.

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^haha, jk

[CharlieFinley]

Yeh thats right call it bias when a website actually points out contradictions ina religions scriptures. The name of the website is EVIL BIBLE. That's like calling a "political discussion" website "burnthejews.com" and then feigning surprise when it's full of anti-semitism.

Or better yet do like some just ignore said contradictions and continue to use pseudo-reasoning.
Or, better still, I show you why you're wrong.

Oh and to who ever negged me and left this message with the neg "You are disgustingly offensive and rude. You need to stop mistranslating and twisting the scriptures."

How about be mature and stop negging people just because you disagree with them,instead be an adult and reply inthe thread to them on how you feel and stop abusing the rep system. Stop being childish,I am simply showing where there are contardictory scriptures,and instead you see mistranslation and twisting of scriptures. Yeah, guys. Don't be childish. Instead of neg repping him because you disagree with him, neg rep him for having a third-grader's grasp of the English language. That's what I'm about to do.

Sad thing is you're probvably one of those christians that would have no problem twisting and mistranslating the bleifs and pracxtoces of Wicca and other forms of Paganism and claiming it's all satanism and devilworship!Of course not. Let me tell you a story. There was once a young scientist of some renown, and the great scientist Wolfgang Pauli was shown one of his papers and asked for a response. He remarked with a frown, "it is not even wrong."

What he meant was that the scientific hypothesis was so bad that not only was it incorrect, it was untestably incorrect -- the single worst failing for a scientific hypothesis.

Wicca is not even wrong. It has no consistent or identifiable beliefs. Making an argument for Wicca is like taking a box of unknown contents and arguing vigorously that, whatever the contents are, they must be good. I ask you this: if such a religion as Christianity, which has been described by the eminent and notorious atheist-turned-deist Antony Flew as the most plausible of all relevatory religions has failed to convert many eminent theologians (though it has converted many others), how do you think such a religion as Wicca, with its ever-changing beliefs that should, by all rights, be provable yet are not, can ever be taken seriously? It is preposterous.

How do you know the New Testament is so accurate? It has never been proven wrong from a historical standpoint, the books of the Gospel were written very close to Jesus' death, details have been independently verified by other secular historians of the day, circumstantial evidence adds up... what more do you want? And erm... I didn't use evilbible.com, where did you find out your information? No, no. Zenos did. The new testament? I think that's bias too. Or some christian site? That's bias as well. Actually, the historical argument is summed up very well and given favorable treatment in a book written by the deist, Antony Flew.

[TigerBoy]

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^haha, jk

Well I wouldn't argue with her :P


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[Cicero]

Well I wouldn't argue with her :P


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This is how it's done:
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[Twilly F. Sniper]

This is how it's done:
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Basic summary of religious people and their behavior.

[TheBigUnit]

He needs to pray more, right?

basically vvvvvvvv...........live* btw
Well God didn't want to provide the date, cause it could be a depressing thing knowing the day. He has given signs. If you knew when you were gonna die, wouldn't that be a mixed feeling of good and bad? Good because you can live every day like its the last, and bad cause when that day gets closer, you become scared and worried. Well that's for me at least. God says leave each day as if Christ was returning.










Thats the typical tactic right there"surely the person is not really understanding it". Dude thats the tactic used to comfort you're self that you have the true meaning of the texts and the person you are talking to does not!

When the truth is :

1) you don't know,you are just assuming said person doesn't understand


2) the bible has been translated many times and does have mistranslations found with in it.

I mean you are right that the Bible has been translated many times i mean i questioned whether if catholics ever moved some words around in the bible to their liking, but really its written all over the gospels where jesus says he has no clue when the world ends, also in acts it confirms that what jesus promised was the Holy Spirit

[Horizon]

*Facepalm* Please tell me you really have read the bible?

Alright, this is coming straight out of my bible, so you obviously have not read the bible, as you have clearly not read this verse. Sorry if you consider this preaching. I'll put a little summary at the bottom if you really don't feel like reading it. Hope this is alright Mods.

Mark 13:32-37
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come. It's like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch. Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back-whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!'"

Basically, Peter, James, John, and Andrew(Jesus's Desciples) ask Jesus about when the world shall end. Jesus responds by saying neither the Son(Jesus), Man(Us), nor angels know about the end of the world. Only the Father(God) knows, and that man should be on lookout for signs of the upcoming Armageddon(If you want to more info on that, look up Revelations). So saying that Jesus predicted the end of the world 2,000 years ago is a lie, unless you have any other evidence. Sorry if this seemed like me preaching, but I do get quite offended when people misunderstand my religion.

BAM! Right in the kisser :p And thank, you educated me a bit more on religion.

[StoppingTime]

Please keep this on topic, if this thread strays more from a debate, it will be locked.

[CharlieFinley]

And according to the bible, homosexuals must be stoned to death and rape victims must marry their rapists. The bible is just like any other fiction book. But I do agree that no one knows when the "End of the world" will happen.

You clearly don't know what the word 'fiction' means. I suppose we can just add that to the list of things you don't know.

[Jonathan1998]

I hardly believe anything like this, tbh I think religion is just a bunch of stories people in history had made up possibly based on some earlier on event and they give people limited choices and limited thinking. All I say don't let religion rule your life, be yourself, do your own thing, think your thoughts and lead your own path, not another person's.

[Dooby the potato god]

The world was meant to end like 3 times in the last year. It's made up.

[Jess]

I agree. There are lots of things in the Bible that just don't make sense. This is one of them....

[Lyra Heartstrings]

Oh boy, religious debates.
Religion is bad, I don't like it.
/opinions
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[Sir Suomi]

I agree. There are lots of things in the Bible that just don't make sense. This is one of them....

I think in general we can say that the world just doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? :P

[TheBigUnit]

The bible has never said the "date" the world will end, those who tried to interpret it fell straight on their asses, when you assume u make an ass out of you and me

[irishguy123]

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[Harry Smith]

The Bible was used by the Dutch reform Church to endorse apartheid in south Africa. The bible especially the old testament is so vague and years out of date. I wonder how many people follow books which are over 2000 years old? I remember joking to a mate that I would be able to find a factual error within the first page of the bible and I did. There are also specific quotes in the old testament which support slavery.

Also the human race is extremely adaptable, we may appear to be a war mongering greedy lot but when push comes to shove as a species we are tough and resourceful.

[CharlieFinley]

The Bible was used by the Dutch reform Church to endorse apartheid in south Africa. How is that relevant? The bible especially the old testament is so vague and years out of date. You're right! We should make stuff up to keep it current! Oh, no. Wait. You just don't understand the idea of religion. My bad. I wonder how many people follow books which are over 2000 years old? You keep bringing up its age like that means it's factually incorrect. I remember joking to a mate that I would be able to find a factual error within the first page of the bible and I did. Bet you a fiver you didn't. What was it? There are also specific quotes in the old testament which support slavery. More like indentured servitude, really. And how is that relevant?

[ProudConservative]

According to the Bible, no one knows when the world will end.