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TigerBoy
January 9th, 2013, 08:02 AM
Just when it looked like the BSA were starting to see sense, it seems that democracy within the BSA can still be blocked by homophobes in key positions.

Gay teenager, Ryan Andresen, has been denied the highest Boy Scouts honour, the Eagle Scout badge, by the national Boy Scouts of America organisation, despite a recommendation for approval from a review board at his local council, and a 460,000 strong petition in his favour.

PinkNews reported on Tuesday that the Mount Diablo-Silverado council had forwarded his application on to the Boy Scouts, with a recommendation to approve his application, however it has now emerged that the council staff executive will not forward on the application.

The national organisation of the Boy Scouts of America has said it still had not approved his application. BSA spokesperson, Deron Smith, said:

“The Eagle application was forwarded, by a volunteer, to the local council but it was not approved because this young man proactively stated that he does not agree to Scouting’s principle of ‘duty of God’ and does not meet Scouting’s membership requirements,” said a prepared statement from Smith. “Therefore, he is not eligible to receive the rank of Eagle.”

The four-volunteer board had agreed to review his case, and unanimously approved his application on 31 December.

The BSA has also said it does not actively seek to find out the sexual orientation of its members.

Ryan Andresen, 18, from Moraga, California, joined the scouts when he was six, had completed all of the requirements for the Eagle Scout Badge, which included building a 288-tile “tolerance wall” for victims of bullying, such as himself.

After appearing as a guest on the Ellen Degeneres Show, the 18-year-old Boy Scout was awarded a $20,000 (£12,476) scholarship towards his college fees.

Ryan Andresen was also recognised by Assembly Speaker, John Perez, who is openly gay himself, at the California state Assembly.

Ryan Andresen commented on what he thought was a victory, after the local board approved his application, saying that he hoped it would bring hope to other gay boy scouts. He said:

“I want other gay Scouts to know, especially those who are hiding who they really are, that this win is for you. Thank you to everyone who joined my mom’s campaign. Your signatures made this possible,

“It’s been a wild and exhausting ride. I’m really looking forward to life getting back to normal, and to being able to focus on my final year of high school and completing my college applications.”

Karen Andresen, 49, Ryan’s mother, had started a petition on Change.org to have her son awarded the badge, which contained over 460,000 signatures. When she believed he would be awarded the Eagle Scout badge, she said:

“I’m just so incredibly happy for Ryan. He’s worked so hard for this honour, and as a mother, it means the world to me to know that our local Scouting community believes in him, too.

“Regardless of what the BSA’s National Advancement Team decides to do with his application, this victory makes it all worth it, and gives me so much hope for the future of the organization.”

Bonnie Hazarabedian, the volunteer District Advancement Chair who headed Ryan Andresen’s Eagle Board of Review, had confirmed that Ryan’s application was approved at the local district and council levels. She said:

“Ryan did everything right in this process, with respect and honesty, requesting an Eagle Board of Review under disputed circumstances when his Scoutmaster refused to sign the application. Following BSA advancement policies in such situations, we felt an Eagle Board of Review was justified.

“We are convinced that Ryan has demonstrated he deserves the rank of Eagle Scout.”

It was previously reported that the council were “challenging” the BSA’s national organisation by some news sources, however it now appears that this is not the case.

Scouts for Equality founder Zach Wahls, who initially helped Karen launch her petition on Change.org, said he hoped the victory on local level would embolden even more local Boy Scout councils to reject the Boy Scouts of America’s “hurtful” anti-gay membership policy.

“The Mount Diablo-Silverado Council joins a growing list of Boy Scout councils and charter organizations that are refusing to embrace the Boy Scouts of America’s hurtful anti-gay membership policy,” said Wahls.

Change is coming, council by council, community by community,” he added.

GLAAD President, Herndon Graddick, released a statement on the previous ruling, and questioned whether the national governing body of the Boy Scouts of America would follow. He said:

“Councils across the nation are rejecting the Boy Scouts’ grossly discriminatory ban on gay scouts, echoing the support of fellow scouts, business leaders, and the American public,

“How long can the BSA go on ignoring its own members and its core values of fairness, leadership and integrity? The growing number of councils welcoming gay scouts and leaders reminds BSA autocrats: change will come with you, or without you.”

As well as receiving the support through the petition and the scholarship, 170 Eagle Scouts had pledged to send Ryan their Eagle Scout pins out of support, 50 of whom came from his own Scout troop.

In July 2012, after a two year review, the Boy Scouts of America announced it would retain its ban on gay members, volunteers and staff.

The Boy Scouts have already lost funding from several large corporate donors, including UPS, back in November, who had given over $150,000 (£95,000), Intel, another of the scouts’ largest donors, ceased funding back in September, and the Merck Foundation in December.
Source: Pinknews (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/09/update-gay-teenager-denied-eagle-scout-award-as-he-doesnt-agree-to-duty-of-god/)

Derv
January 9th, 2013, 08:25 AM
wow.. Cant believe they denied him still.. O.o

ReginaGeorge
January 9th, 2013, 09:46 AM
This is disgusting.

Jupiter
January 9th, 2013, 11:21 AM
what the fuck.

:(

Lost in the Echo
January 9th, 2013, 11:58 AM
Wow, that's bullshit. Sexual orientation shouldn't have a damn thing to do with the boy scouts, or anything for that matter. That's just unfair.

FreeFall
January 9th, 2013, 12:36 PM
Aaaaaw! All my hope has just deflated pathetically! Really, they still deny him? He has worked so hard, come so far, and yet they...riewghduiehd! BSA is BS D:<

Jess
January 9th, 2013, 07:49 PM
Ugh what the hell. I had hoped he would get it. And this is what happens? Seriously? -_- He deserved the award, THE END.

Skyline
January 9th, 2013, 08:03 PM
Those !#@%&##@$%(*%#.... I hope their funding gets cut so much that they are forced to beg on the side of the road for money... Low life pieces of $#!%

nino51300
January 9th, 2013, 10:15 PM
Get this..

In scouting you can be a fucking child molester, but you can't be gay.

How much fucking sense does that make?

World Eater
January 9th, 2013, 11:36 PM
Well...damn. I'm not surprised, but this is just sad. He should be given that award.

TigerBoy
January 10th, 2013, 06:45 AM
GLAAD have now released a statement on this action:

Herndon Graddick, president of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, blasted the group's action and its statement: 'That BSA national executives would not only thwart the approval of, but also simultaneously lie about, the Eagle badge application of a committed young Scout is not only shocking, it’s shameful. The organization continues to use smoke and mirrors to preserve an outdated policy that is wholly discriminatory and continues to erode the integrity of the organization.'
Source (http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/boys-scouts-america-deny-gay-teens-application-eagle-scout100113)

Sir Suomi
January 10th, 2013, 07:00 PM
Even I don't support the BSA now adays. There is a difference between standing up for what you believe in, and a whole other thing to start persecuting those that don't believe in your views. Most scouts(From what it appears) join at a very young age, WAY before they could tell what their sexuality is. This is just plain out stupid.

TigerBoy
January 11th, 2013, 12:23 PM
Even I don't support the BSA now adays. There is a difference between standing up for what you believe in, and a whole other thing to start persecuting those that don't believe in your views. Most scouts(From what it appears) join at a very young age, WAY before they could tell what their sexuality is. This is just plain out stupid.

I agree, good points Austin.

Looks like people are going to be starting up rival inclusive organisations (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/11/us-brooklyn-dad-starts-new-boy-scout-troop-which-allows-gay-members-and-girls/) now, and loss of members AND loss of funding is not an outcome that will enhance the credibility of the current leadership. I don't know on what basis the senior leadership is in power, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't an internal backlash to their short sightedness if nothing else.

ProudConservative
January 15th, 2013, 11:59 PM
I'm just going to say this, I'm a Boy Scout, and I wouldn't stop being involved come hell or high waters. Boy Scours have taught me sooo much, from being independent in the wild by myself to dealing with adversity. The fact that this shit goes on, making the Scouts look bad. The top executives are the people who are focused on, not the members themselves.

BTW: I know several Eagle Scouts who are gay.

GummyUnicornDerp
January 16th, 2013, 12:15 AM
OK, big moment!

Update on this story!

They've given him the award! Hells yeah! I am glad to say i signed the petition!

Jess
January 16th, 2013, 12:59 AM
OK, big moment!

Update on this story!

They've given him the award! Hells yeah! I am glad to say i signed the petition!

Are you sure? Is there a link to an article?

Troy35216
January 16th, 2013, 01:50 AM
i heard that some guy started his own troop that lets in gay scouts and also girls. That is his response to the official stand. what makes me mad is they say it is to protect the scouts and they talk about gay scout leaders as if they are dangerous and all that but as this case points out, never mind the gay leaders what about the gay SCOUTS?? They teach you to be honest and trustworthy and then punish you when you follow the scout oath. fuck that

Φρανκομβριτ
January 16th, 2013, 01:51 AM
In other news, gays are still being denied from donating blood.

This world is not ready to accept gays as equals. In the future, maybe, but not yet.

TigerBoy
January 16th, 2013, 06:24 AM
OK, big moment!

Update on this story!

They've given him the award! Hells yeah! I am glad to say i signed the petition!

I'm afraid all I can currently find from the sources that carried these stories originally is as link the the older article from a day previously (which I posted in VT Chronicle also) which the 'denial' story then updated.

GummyUnicornDerp
January 16th, 2013, 04:21 PM
Never mind, I'm sorry, I thought there was a Have A Gay Day post on Facebook with his picture, receiving the award, but i couldn't find it.

Mirage
January 16th, 2013, 07:00 PM
This is bullshit.

Let the kid be happy! So what if he's different? So what if he doesn't agree with your perception of a higher deity? This kind of stuff literally, and I mean LITERALLY, makes me want to throw up.