Why be gay and Christian!?!

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I have always been confused about this. How can someone be a gay Christian/Catholic? The religion itself is against it! Why not be an agnostic who believes in a higher power? I just dont understand how you can be a member of a religion that says you will burn for all eternity just because you are attracted to the same sex. Anyone care to elaborate for me?:confused:

[Maverick]

The Bible is against a lot of things not just being gay. Being gay isn't an exclusive sin in the Bible. There are many others. All Christians do things that are forbidden in the Bible so why should being gay, which is forbidden, be treated or considered differently?

And being agnostic who believes in a higher power is a contradiction. You can't be agnostic and believe in a higher power, otherwise you wouldn't be agnostic. Being agnostic is not knowing whether a God exists or not.

[Atonement]

Okay, first, the only time the Bible definately states that being gay is a sin is in Leviticus. The irony behind that one though is that Jesus tells us to disregard many of the laws of Leviticus. Further more, why does the Church condemn homosexuality when the Bible talks about greed, gluttony, and other sins that are constantly mentioned? Oh yeah, because the gay community is a smaller target than the whole world that commits all those other sins.

[byee]

The Bible is against a lot of things not just being gay. Being gay isn't an exclusive sin in the Bible. There are many others. All Christians do things that are forbidden in the Bible so why should being gay, which is forbidden, be treated or considered differently?

And being agnostic who believes in a higher power is a contradiction. You can't be agnostic and believe in a higher power, otherwise you wouldn't be agnostic. Being agnostic is not knowing whether a God exists or not.

This isn't correct. An atheist doesn't believe in a Higher power. An agnostic believes in a Higher power, but not in any organized religion.

[Maverick]

This isn't correct. An atheist doesn't believe in a Higher power. An agnostic believes in a Higher power, but not in any organized religion.
No, you are incorrect. Agnostics do not know whether a higher power exists or not. There is skepticism when you are agnostic. There isn't yes or no answer. Agnostics believe that the answer is unknowable. Therefore for an agnostic to believe in a higher power (even if it's unorganized) is a contradiction to the belief. It's making a conclusion and that goes against what agnosticism is all about.

[BornActor]

also i was reading up on this its actually not against gayness from the way i interpreted what people said. I saw that it was against gay sex because god invented sex and he meant it to be face to face and... yea and the bible is against pretty much everything u do.

[RaisingSand]

From what I've gathered going to a Catholic school for my entire life, they're willing to accept gay people as long as they do not act on their feelings in any way, shape or form.

[byee]

Well, I learned something here about agnostics! Perhaps i should have just gone to Wiki instead of relying on what agnostics have told me about their belief system.

As for the original q, I don't see much contradiction in being Christian (or any religion, for that matter), and being gay (or straight, for that matter). People do not choose their sexuality, nobody chooses to be straight or gay, it's just who we are. Why would someone, why should someone, be denied their choice to worship as a result? Would we say the same thing, for instance, about someone's gender? Or their race? (Things also beyond our control), should they not be able to worship as they please?

This question is often raised, the idea that there's a fundamental inconsistency between Christianity and homosexuality by those too rigid and too insecure to accept that our sexuality isn't a conscious choice, and perhaps more obvious, why would God create someone he finds repulsive?

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

That is a very good point. I wasnt reffering to the religions themselves, but the close-minded fundamentalists who run them.:D

[beantownbaby13]

First of all, you do not CHOSE to be gay, you were born that way. I know sum ppl who are gay and are Catholic and they're confused with it too. There's absolutely nothing wrong with believing in Jesus while you are gay..it's their decision and their faith. They can't help it. The Bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman..and the church as well as we, the people, interpret it as being gay is against the Christian faith..

[TheDude]

I think it is because you can't reproduce with a same-sex partner.
I'm not certain though - but I've always though this.
But all of the above is too confusing lol

[Sage]

A better question be, "Why be Gay and a Christian Fundamentalist?"

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

yes, That was what I was going for!!! Thank you!:D

[sage of craze]

Just because a person is gay doesn't mean they don't belive in God. Simply because they like the same sex doesn't automatically make them athiest

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I never said that

[byee]

A better question be, "Why be Gay and a Christian Fundamentalist?"

Of course the even larger question is why be a 'fundamentalist' at all. 'Fundamentalism' is a very misappropriated word for self righteous (like their use of 'Life', and now, 'Values',) which is, of course, very different than true Righteousness. There's this insinuation that somehow They have the 'Right' path to Glory and salvation. Too bad they cannot see the hypocracy in being both 'Religious' and intolerant.

You are who you are, you have little control over your sexuality. You DO have control over how 'good' a person you are, how you treat others, how you live your life. I think there's a dfff, and I think He notices. Maybe it's all a test?

[Trickster]

People who are gay and Christian/Catholic may manly belive in God and salvation. They have a strong feeling that God exists and that being athesit wont solve anyhing. Lust, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth, Envy. Pride, Greed are all sins but people do them. God forgives he know humans are FAR from perfect but that what makes them perfect. We Lust after sex at an early age, we do Gluttony when depressed or see food, We do Wrath when someone pokes fun at them, People Sloth when someone dies, People Envy when they see a rich person and they have Pride when a leader. He forgives these 7 DEADLY SINS so why wouldnt he forgive a lesser one of being gay? ask your self that if your gay and Christian/Chathlic.

[Vermillion]

The bible doesn't say you'll burn in hell for being gay; its what the people who interperate the bible say. And besides, no one wakes up in 7th grade on a Sunday morning and say "OOH! IMMA BE GAY!".

[Booman5]

Religion is personal and different for every person, you can adopt some of the ideas of a certain religion without following the faith in it's entirety. I think what we're getting at here is that you can't be a devout Christian and accept being gay, but you can adopt some of the rules and ideals.

[Goth_ben]

I am christian and a Catholic and i do not beleive alot of the Catholic dogma ( homosexuality, contraception etc.) it realy is up to you. but hey im thinkin of convertin to quakerism soon anyway. they r alot more liberal.

[Aηdy]

Please don't bump topics more than a few weeks old.

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