Do gays go to hell?

[Skyline]

I know that the bible condemns homosexuality, but do gays go to hell for being "the way god made them"? It just doesn't make sense to me... God would make a person than banish them to hell...

[CharlieHorse]

Imo, Gays don't go to hell because there is no hell and its all made up to scare you. :p
Ask someone from your church

[Gaybaby94]

No, because He'll doesn't exist. It's all imaginary story. Gay people die just like everyone else and end up in the ground, just like everyone else.

[Magical]

That inconsistency is why the Bible is silly and you and I do not believe it.

Hell has no proof. There is no point believing in it until there is proof.

[Sir Suomi]

Well, if you do believe in Heaven, Hell, Purgetory, etc, than from what I've been told, I don't believe so. Just follow the 10 commandments, and I think you should be good man! :D

[lyriclover]

Oh hell no... excuse the pun. The only place we're going is either into the fire or 6 feet underground.

[TigerBoy]

I know that the bible condemns homosexuality,
Only if you choose to interpret it that way, and it is easy enough to read it differently to the hateful interpretation imposed primarily by the Catholic Church in the middle ages as I pointed out in this thread (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=161649)recently.

but do gays go to hell for being "the way god made them"? It just doesn't make sense to me... God would make a person than banish them to hell...
Hell mythology in Christianity is also largely an invention of the likes of the medieval Catholic Church who chose to translate all the different words into "infernus" in their Latin Vulgate bible (one of many liberties they took in translation), and use it to scare and control people.

Various different words for 'hell' are used in the original texts to refer to different things, and they've become lumped into one idea in modern times. Fans of Percy Jackson will be familiar with Hades as simply the place of the dead (good or bad), then you've got Tartaro which is a prison for fallen angels, and Ge Hinom which was a rubbish dump outside Jerusalem where they'd tend to dump the bodies of criminals, hence analogies taking that idea and coming up with a resting place for naughty people.

So "no", because a) I'm agnostic b) the Bible doesn't condemn gays, and because c) Hell is an analogy that got deliberately expanded to scare the gullible.

[Sir Suomi]

Well, if Hell doesn't exist, it'll be fun seeing you guys in Limbo :D

[Abyssal Echo]

I believe the Bible the book says God loves the Sinner Hates the Sin I also know what the book says about gays. so being both Christian and Gay have accepted where I'm going to go. Hell

[Human]

Implying hell exists
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[Troy35216]

it can't be any worse than Alabama

[Scarface]

let me lay it real for you. if hell exists, I don't give a solitary fuck. If that's where i gotta be for me being me, then fuck em. I'd rather go to hell for being me than go to heaven for being a lie. That's how I see it because I couldn't be in anymore pain there, than I am here, besides at least it'll be nice and warm there :)

[Horizon]

Well, I personally believe they won't if a hell does exist. Because, the Bible claims that god is forgiving. So if being gay is considered a sin, then why would God choose not to let them in, if he forgives all for their sins? I mean, that always confused me.

[Lost in the Echo]

Well as you mentioned, the bible says that they do, but a lot of shit in the bible is questionable, just like a lot of other questionable shit in the Christianity religion.

[Aajj333]

Just as scarface said, I'd rather go to hell for being me than heaven for being a lie

[CharlieFinley]

Not as long as they follow the teachings of Jesus.

[Jess]

If hell existed, I suppose they would, because homosexuality is against the Bible.

But hell doesn't exist. When you die, you die. Gays and lesbians die like everyone else.

[tucke7239]

Well the bible condemns homosexuality in 20 verses. But it supports it others. To be specific: David met King Saul's son and had a homosexual affair with him. Naomi loved Ruth as Adam loved Eve. Then an example of Jesus loving someone who sat on his bosom (a guy). Finally, 144000 men were saved from a disaster because they didn't like women. So it is hard to tell. But we are assuming heaven and hell are real

[Elysium]

I stopped trying to reason with religion years ago.

[Danny_boi 16]

I believe in Heaven and Hell. I don't think gays go to hell. People how say that are speaking for God, well I think God can speak for himself. No where in the Bible does God himself condemn Homosexuality. No I'm not talking out of my ass. I've studied the Bible for years that what I have to do growing up in a Roman Catholic house. So, no I don't think gays go to hell.

[Gigablue]

No where in the Bible does God himself condemn Homosexuality.

Leviticus 18:22 (NIV)
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 (NIV)
"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

[Twilly F. Sniper]

No because hell can't exist. It's imaginary like sight of jesus "Christ" before death. (I believe he did exist but not as savior, but as a criminal in a misinterpreted opinion filled history book called the bible.) Religion is for cavemen, who aren't able to tell the real truth but come up with a phony explanation that's way to simple to be true, much so.
Gays can't go to hell if it doesn't fucking exist.

[TigerBoy]

Leviticus 18:22 (NIV)
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 (NIV)
"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Leviticus is obsolete for Christians since Christ's coming, as I explained in the thread I linked in my previous post. There are also scholarly refutations for all other passages as I also showed.

Homosexuality is only condemned by men, it wasn't condemned by Jesus and it takes particular effort to make any passages from the Greek of the New Testament to come close to condemning it.

The fact that homophobic English Bible translations exist is the work of men, not God.

[Danny_boi 16]

Leviticus 18:22 (NIV)
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 (NIV)
"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

No I don't think so. One most know the whole book of Leviticus is a Law book. A Law book for the Hebrew People given to them by high priests no God. And look again in the New Testamente. Jesus wanted to disregard the Torah ( five books of Moses), for us to love one another. And if I'm been following my faith wrong, Jesus is God and has said nothing about Homosexuality. A God in Old Testament has HIMSELF said anything about Homosexuality.

[Gigablue]

Leviticus is obsolete for Christians since Christ's coming, as I explained in the thread I linked in my previous post. There are also scholarly refutations for all other passages as I also showed.

Homosexuality is only condemned by men, it wasn't condemned by Jesus and it takes particular effort to make any passages from the Greek of the New Testament to come close to condemning it.

The fact that homophobic English Bible translations exist is the work of men, not God.

No I don't think so. One most know the whole book of Leviticus is a Law book. A Law book for the Hebrew People given to them by high priests no God. And look again in the New Testamente. Jesus wanted to disregard the Torah ( five books of Moses), for us to love one another. And if I'm been following my faith wrong, Jesus is God and has said nothing about Homosexuality. A God in Old Testament has HIMSELF said anything about Homosexuality.


The Old Testament is still valid according to Jesus.

Matthew 5:18-19 (NIV)
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Luke 16:17 (NIV)
It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.


Matthew 5:17 (NIV)
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

[TigerBoy]

The Old Testament is still valid according to Jesus.

None of which applies to the Old Law, but rather to the Law of the New Convenant. As explained in Hebrews 8:

(8:5) Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

(8:6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

(8:7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

(8:8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Acts 15 describes the process of how this came about.

Subsequently Paul also wrote about it in Colossians 2, stating that Christ:
“forgave us all our sins, having cancelled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. Colossians 2:14

I'm sure, like all things Biblical, there are those who choose to disagree, or we would not have some 40,000 sects of Christianity. As an agnostic bystander it seems pretty clear to me though, I have to say.

[Danny_boi 16]

The Old Testament is still valid according to Jesus.

Matthew 5:18-19 (NIV)
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Luke 16:17 (NIV)
It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.


Matthew 5:17 (NIV)
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Thanks for finding a quotes on stuff I know. Now go find one where Jesus say Homosexuality is a sin and go find one in the Old Testament where God (I can't stress this enough HIMSELF) says Homosexuality is a sin. I'll be waiting.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Religion is a contradictory bunch of BS.

[letters0numbers]

Yes. But then again, if all sinners were to be banished to hell, then heaven would be empty, because everyone have committed at least one sin at some point of their life. Whether you're a sinner or not, everyone also have done good and loved at some point of their lives. God talked so greatly of love, he can't just ignore that. Conclusion is: it depends on what other things you've done in your life.

[Nicky47]

I think alot of what is written in the bible is open to interpretation i guess we will know when we all kick

[NewLeafsFan]

When people say that gays go to hell they are saying that because they are exclusive, brainwashed, hurtful people. It is no different than saying "blacks go to hell". But because most ppl allow them to mask themselves with their 'religious beliefs' (no religion that I know of teaches hate) they usually get away with it.

[Jinglebottom]

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