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TigerBoy
December 28th, 2012, 06:15 AM
Following the story Jess posted (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=161808)about the Pope's bizarre and hateful Christmas messsage, it looks like it has angered a great many (soon-to-be-former-) Catholics in Holland:

Thousands of Dutch Catholics look to leave the church after Pope’s anti-gay comments

According to the founder of a Dutch website which aims to offer information to those looking to leave the Catholic church, thousands of Catholics have been researching how to do so.

Tom Roes, who operates a website containing the documents required for members of the Catholic church to “deregister” themselves, said the number of visitors to the site went from around 10 a day to over 10,000, reported the Irish Times.

“Of course it’s not possible to be ‘de-baptised’ because a baptism is an event, but this way people can unsubscribe or deregister themselves as Catholics,” Mr Roes said.

He went on to say that he had no way of knowing how many people actually went on to leave the church after visiting his site, ontdopen.nl.

Out of the population of the Netherlands, around 28% is Catholic, while roughly 44% is not religious. Reports suggest that 18% of the population is Protestant.

In his ‘World Day of Peace’ remarks last week, the Pope said: “There is also a need to acknowledge and promote the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman in the face of attempts to make it juridically equivalent to radically different types of union.
“Such attempts actually harm and help to destabilise marriage, obscuring its specific nature and its indispensable role in society”, the Pope told worshipers.

Pope Benedict XVI was also pictured giving a blessing to Rebecca Kadaga, the Speaker of the Ugandan Parliament, who has promised to pass the country’s notorious Anti-Homosexuality Bill as a “Christmas gift”.

On 26 December, a petition started to push Barack Obama to label to the Roman Catholic Church a “hate group”, following a similar petition to label the Westboro Baptist Church the same.

The petition cites comments made by the Pope at Christmas where he said that gay people are manipulating their sexual orientation to alter god-given nature, and that they ”deny their nature”, which is “given to them by their bodily identity.”

The Netherlands was the first country to legalise equal marriage, back in 2001, and official statistics report that, by the end of 2010, 14,813 gay couples were married in the country,

Back in October, the country’s government began looking into changing the law to take into account its 25,000 LGBT families, and issues faced by step-parents or sperm donors.

Source (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/12/28/thousands-of-dutch-catholics-look-to-leave-the-church-after-popes-anti-gay-comments/)

Another article from a different source here (http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/dutch-catholics-leaving-church-over-opposition-same-sex-marriage281212)which also references the Dutch foreign minister 'slamming' the popes speech.

ReginaGeorge
December 28th, 2012, 10:41 AM
I'm glad these people are standing up for what they believe in instead of being pushed over by religion, and for once, it's for a good thing. Props to them. It's a positive thing.

TheMatrix
December 30th, 2012, 03:45 AM
Hah, that sounds exactly like the Dutch(I'm one myself, too). However his website name is misleading -- "Ontdopen" means "Un-baptising", although I don't know if that was his intention or not.

And you have to realise something about Dutch catholics(excluding the bible belt in the northish): they don't really care about their religion as much. Going to church isn't a very frequent event anymore(times have changed since the 1600s), and it's not like they listen to half of the things in the Bible, anyways. That has a long historical reason, which I won't get into here.
But "Catholic" is mostly used as just a label, tacked on to people's personalities, but since it's now a bad thing to be associated with a gay-hating group, people no longer want to be known as "Catholic".

I wish I could no longer be a catholic, but alas I'm not given much choice in the matter.

TigerBoy
January 8th, 2013, 10:03 AM
In what seems to me to be a blatant attempt to 'name and shame' those who have chosen to leave the Church, one Dutch priest is posting photos and names of leavers.

Priest Harm Schilder, said that he didn’t personally know everyone in his parish, and so putting up photographs of people was his attempt to urge people to stay. He said:

“by putting up the photos I thought someone might recognise someone they know who they could try to make stay in the Church.”
Source (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/08/dutch-priest-posts-photos-of-catholic-leavers-to-encourage-them-to-stay-following-popes-anti-gay-speeches/)

Those wishing to leave must send a letter to the priest along with a photocopy of identity papers.

This is where Schilder gets the photos that will be displayed in the entrance hallway of the church in Tilburg in the south of the country.

The priest made headlines in 2010 when the municipality banned him from ringing church bells at 7:15 am on weekdays.
Source 2: Sidney Morning Herald (http://www.smh.com.au/world/dutch-priest-to-show-parish-quitter-pictures-20130108-2cf5v.html)

Haufen
January 11th, 2013, 02:12 AM
And you have to realise something about Dutch catholics(excluding the bible belt in the northish)

The north is Reformed, not Catholic. Only the south is Catholic.

TheMatrix
January 12th, 2013, 03:35 AM
The north is Reformed, not Catholic. Only the south is Catholic.

That's what I meant. Perhaps that had better been split into separate thoughts.

Mortal Coil
January 12th, 2013, 09:01 AM
Even taking into account the fact that "Catholic" is much more a label than a practiced religion for these people, I still think it makes a point to the institution and hopefully will trigger a larger reform in the Church's thinking.

Twilly F. Sniper
January 13th, 2013, 12:23 PM
Of course, the POPE would say such a thing.

HowlingSnail
January 14th, 2013, 06:16 PM
It's hardly surprising. The Catholic church has never been much for tolerance, and it's only natural that people want out.

Skyline
January 14th, 2013, 11:35 PM
I love when things like this happen!