Video games "causing violence"

[sammy1996]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uwAo8lcAC4

Does anyone actually believe video games cause violence? i was just thinking back towards the newspapers headlines about the recent shooting and how stupid they actually sound to anyone who knows the subject at hand.... at all.

The most important part of the video i linked i believe is at the start, with the BBC Four video clip saying how things about the murderer shouldn't be put on global news, which i whole-heatedly agree on, it is in essence glorifying the psychotic behavior of murderers, at least in other potential murderers minds. it all comes down to the idea of being remembered once you're gone summarized by Jack Sparrow in pirates of the Caribbean in this link below.
http://www.dudelol.com/but-you-have-heard-of-me/

Murders like this will never be stopped, maniacs will always exist no matter how tightly you regulate anything, be it media, the weapons themselves or access to the vulnerable targets. Mentally disturbed psychopaths will always be around and will always do things that shock and scare normal people, just a harsh truth.

[Lost in the Echo]

No, video games do not influence crime.
Anyone with common sense knows there is a difference between video games and reality.

[Stryker125]

nope, video games don't cause violent crime.

[Sugaree]

There's no correlation between the two at all. This has been proven time and time again.

[Manjusri]

Why are people diverting mental health issues to video games? Image simulations do not cause violence, a violent mentality causes violence.

Anyone capable of a rational thought process will be able to decipher between what is acceptable in a video game, and what is acceptable in reality.

If you're unable to do that, visit a psychologist.

[CharlieFinley]

Some people do. Those people are ignorant.

[chrisawesome]

It depends on the mental stability of the person playing. For a normal, sane person playing violent video games are harmless. But for a crazy person, they really dont get how terrible and serious it is to kill someone in real life! They think that all you have to do is turn the game off and things go back to normal. Never the less, violent video games should be limited. Not banned but limited and possible even stiffen the ratings in order to buy them. I know that will do little to keep violent games out of the hands of crazy people, but that is not an excuse to say we didn't try!!

God bless the people of Sandy Hook and Newtown, May your souls rest in peace

[ProudConservative]

Nope. I play GTA 4, and I won't do anything like I've done on that game.

[TheBigUnit]

I said the same thing in another thread and think this fit fits here equally

"And no way there should be bans on violent video games, maybe make the ratings more enforced, ex. think about pornography, does watching porn make people into rapists? If anything it subsides men to do anything crazy like that, same way with violent videos games, it eases stress and "urges""

[FreeFall]

Video games and violence have been put together time and time again, and time and time again, people are shown that video games do not cause violence/mass murders/create serial killers. You can get a crazed lunatic out of a warm, gentle, media-less household as well as a wonderful good standing citizen out of a trash can in a crappy, violent city. If someone's going to "snap" or decide to create cause and pain, they will do it, regardless of video games.

If we didn't have video games for people to pick on as a hypothetical cause, we'd have people going after the movies, then the TV shows, then the comic books, then the comic books that don't even show batman punching people instead it has a column that say "BOP", then dodgeball because children chucking rubber balls at each other can instill a sense of throwing a gernade at a building. It's ridiculous.

The studies try, but they haven't much a leg to stand on. Frankly I myself, and I', going to assume the vast majority of humanity, would prefer people shoot and attack virtual characters on a screen to de-stress and relieve anger, than have them turning that stress and rage on us.

[CharlieHorse]

Its simple:
-Violent people play Violent games.
-The violent people kill people.
-Non-violent people still play violent games
-they don't kill people
Therefore, videogames don't cause people to kill people.

[Skyline]

see people this is why we need more games about fluffy unicorns and butterflies and less games like COD or Halo... but in all seriousness video games don't cause people to kill people....

[Twilly F. Sniper]

No they don't. I don't own an M4a1 and massively murder people with it like I do in MW2. bullshit from haters is all it is.

[DerBear]

I don't think so. I think in some individual cases where other mental illnesses are involved then video games can maybe have an impact. However individually and on its own, I don't think they cause violence.

I mean I play Call of Duty. It doesn't mean I wanna "no scope 360 someone"....okay yeah terrible CoD reference. But yeah....the whole idea that video games, on its own, without no other contributing factors cause violence is just a load of rubbish.

[Guillermo]

see people this is why we need more games about fluffy unicorns and butterflies and less games like COD or Halo... but in all seriousness video games do cause people to kill people....

And how do they do that? Please show me a reliable study that proves video games do cause real-life violence.

Violence has always existed. Julius Caesar was murdered by over 60 people in 44 BC. During the religious crusades, hundreds of innocent Muslims were slain by Christians burning their villages. And take a look at this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States) These are all the recorded massacres that have happened in the US. Now granted, a good portion of these massacres have to deal with Natives and Manifest Destiny, but did they have video games back in the 16-1900s? No.

And take a look at this (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=161821) too. Real-life gun violence doesn't correlate at all with video game violence.

[Skyline]

And how do they do that? Please show me a reliable study that proves video games do cause real-life violence.

Violence has always existed. Julius Caesar was murdered by over 60 people in 44 BC. During the religious crusades, hundreds of innocent Muslims were slain by Christians burning their villages. And take a look at this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States) These are all the recorded massacres that have happened in the US. Now granted, a good portion of these massacres have to deal with Natives and Manifest Destiny, but did they have video games back in the 16-1900s? No.

And take a look at this (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=161821) too. Real-life gun violence doesn't correlate at all with video game violence.

My bad, typo meant don't not do. Sorry I will fix that.

[Gigablue]

There isn't any evidence that they do, and there are many studies that show that they don't. Maybe violent people are more drawn to violent video games, but even that hasn't been shown. People want there to be a connection so that they have something to blame for tragedies, but video games aren't to blame for violence in society.

[MisterSix]

They may enhance it
But they may also provide a way for the violent person to vent their anger into a killing simulation.

[dBxdt]

Anyone ever thought about how society matters. Say, there's no problem showing loads of violence and killing etc. in movies or even on news. (while a single nipple slip is a horrible disaster that will corrupt children and everyone, make em perverts or whatnot, but showing violence is ok? double standards? but that's another story)

On the other hand, as others have already mentioned, there's the point of releasing your anger, venting yourself so as not to do crazy stuff irl. Suppose breaking dishes or punching a bag could have the same or similar effect.

So no, I don't think video games are causing violence per se, but they do give ideas to those who would be violent anyway.

[MrDaniel2K13]

I think more people who having ideas about mass shootings probably watch more tv programes/movies with guns in them rather than video games.

[Jen Jones]

I dont believe it

[Stronk Serb]

Video games do not cause violence, lag does... Joking, they to not cause violence. In my class I am an avid gamer and I am least violent while jocks are the most violent. I understand that shooting a lot of people is acceptable in... Let's say GTA IV, but in real world I would be dead trying to do it, i would be shot down.

[AwesomeGuy15]

Video games dont cause it because a video game shouldnt be a prob in the real world even tho there r ppl who r just 2 serious like maybe ppl in black ops 2 who like raging :3

[CharlieFinley]

I believe the issue arises from the psychological phenomenon known as "catharsis," which is the act of relieving stress by engaging in a simulated or less-socially-discouraged activity to relieve stress and prevent one from "snapping," so to speak. To be less loquacious, lay people typically believe that "taking out stress" by boxing, or yelling, or some other action will make one less likely to act in a harmful way from pent-up aggression. This belief, logical though it may seem, is incorrect, and "cathartic" actions (in the modern sense, not in the original sense of the release of emotion experienced after viewing a tragic play) actually make one more likely to act in violent or socially unacceptable ways. There is, therefore, a tendency among those who know just enough to be dangerous to say that "video games are supposed to be cathartic, but according to this, cathartic things are bad, so video games are bad." However, video games have no cathartic effect.

[Skyhawk]

I think trial and error games cause violence. Whenever I play Mirror's Edge on hard difficulty I always want to throw my laptop out the window. GTA 4 is seriously the most soothing game for me...until I lose a mission twice in a row.

[anyone50]

No, video games do not influence crime.
Anyone with common sense knows there is a difference between video games and reality.

Exactly the key word here is common sense but when was the last time someone with common sense shot up a school or mall or went on a rampage at a political rally. Don't project your reaction and definition of how these games and movies portraying violence effect others especially those with mental instabilities. wasn't Reagan shot after Hinkley watched a movie.

[CharlieFinley]

Exactly the key word here is common sense but when was the last time someone with common sense shot up a school or mall or went on a rampage at a political rally. Don't project your reaction and definition of how these games and movies portraying violence effect others especially those with mental instabilities. wasn't Reagan shot after Hinkley watched a movie.

A better answer would have been, "it has been scientifically demonstrated that video games do not cause violent behavior." But basically what he said.

[Datattak]

Look at me do I cause violence ok so I do, but that is from songs... Lets watch the city burn, if you know what song ima singing PM me!

[Majin Vegeta]

"Scientists are baffled by Canadians' ability to play video games and not shoot each other"

the stupidest part about the NRA was the fact that they blamed Mortal Kombat for it when they have supernatural abilities like throwing fireballs and don't actually use guns. the only character who uses a gun in that game is a cop so yeah lol

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Its simple:
-Violent people play Violent games.
-The violent people kill people.
-Non-violent people still play violent games
-they don't kill people
Therefore, videogames don't cause people to kill people.

But what makes a person violent? I think every post in here has said that video games don't contribute to a person being violent. People can't just be born violent, something has to cause it. Whoever said we're just looking for something to blame mass murders on is wrong. We're looking for what causes them to try and prevent it in the future. I'm not saying that video games are the cause of it in most cases (I'm sure there are rare cases where a video game inspired a murder).

[Majin Vegeta]

But what makes a person violent? I think every post in here has said that video games don't contribute to a person being violent. People can't just be born violent, something has to cause it. Whoever said we're just looking for something to blame mass murders on is wrong. We're looking for what causes them to try and prevent it in the future. I'm not saying that video games are the cause of it in most cases (I'm sure there are rare cases where a video game inspired a murder).

lazy doctors giving kids meds and taking the parents insurance money who are too lazy to actually try to help their kids. I went off-topic... basically meds that end up messing up their mental chemistry. video games simply should not be used as a scapegoat since most people play video games but in the US there are 4.2 homicides out of 100,000 people. it'd be like blaming food for being overweight.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

lazy doctors giving kids meds and taking the parents insurance money who are too lazy to actually try to help their kids. I went off-topic... basically meds that end up messing up their mental chemistry. video games simply should not be used as a scapegoat since most people play video games but in the US there are 4.2 homicides out of 100,000 people. it'd be like blaming food for being overweight.

Yep, I am also against the idea of pumping your kids full of meds at a young age.

[Mysterious Skin]

The same idea that guns and knives don't kill people, people kill people. A knife by itself will do absolutely nothing but if it is put into the hands of someone who had the intention to kill, the person will do it .

[Majin Vegeta]

Yep, I am also against the idea of pumping your kids full of meds at a young age.

yeah I would just refuse to take meds if my mom tried to make me take em. the side effects are too the point where if you're feeling depressed you're better off smoking weed. and not everyone has adhd. they just have lots of energy and aren't well behaved 50's children lol I find it weird how the same ones that they say have adhd are the ones that they complain watch tv too much

[Zenos]

This is just an updated version of the "Heavy Metal' causes crimes and suicide scare of the 80's, and viloent movies cause crimes scare of the 90's.

It's called scape-goating!

[Majin Vegeta]

This is just an updated version of the "Heavy Metal' causes crimes and suicide scare of the 80's, and viloent movies cause crimes scare of the 90's.

It's called scape-goating!

"Metal causes crimes" lol Dave Mustaine is way more intelligent then those people and the same goes for metalcore with screaming. they probably don't even bother reading the lyrics and realize that most of them are actually christian (the non-judgemental kind) bands

yeah they really need to learn how to do their research how do these people even graduate high school?

[Zenos]

"Metal causes crimes" lol Dave Mustaine is way more intelligent then those people and the same goes for metalcore with screaming. they probably don't even bother reading the lyrics and realize that most of them are actually christian (the non-judgemental kind) bands

yeah they really need to learn how to do their research how do these people even graduate high school?

the cheated their way through probably:D

But then the "BIG" movers and shakers that where promoting the ]"Metal causes crimes" idea was christian preachers but then also the 80's and early 90's according to a cousin of mine was the era of the so-called Satanic Panic!

[Danny_boi 16]

Bull crap, video games don't cause violence. That's just the work of parents that don't understand crap.

[Majin Vegeta]

the cheated their way through probably:D

I guess they don't do it cause that would require them to work :p

[Zenos]

Bull crap, video games don't cause violence. That's just the work of parents that don't understand crap.


So being a parent suddenly renders one unable to understand stuff?

Like we teens are soooo much more in the know?

Honestly for the most part I think we teens today are loaded up on far far more misinfo then the teens of the 80's where,and yeh we hypocrictically think we are oh so much smarter because we are so over loaded with info!

Plus without access to 24 hour media and the internet they actually had time to think on what they where being told.

[Danny_boi 16]

So being a parent suddenly renders one unable to understand stuff?

Like we teens are soooo much more in the know?

Honestly for the most part I think we teens today are loaded up on far far more misinfo then the teens of the 80's where,and yeh we hypocrictically think we are oh so much smarter because we are so over loaded with info!

Plus without access to 24 hour media and the internet they actually had time to think on what they where being told.

Violate video games do not cause teenagers to walking into schools and shot up the place, that's bull. And if that happens it not the fault of the game , it is obvious that the parent didn't raise that child correctly. The parents how say such things don't know sh--. You find me and unbiased scientific study that proves me wrong. Oh wait there's none.

[Zenos]

Violate video games do not cause teenagers to walking into schools and shot up the place, that's bull. And if that happens it not the fault of the game , it is obvious that the parent didn't raise that child correctly.

( ok on one had you say that it's bull that violent vido games do not cause peopel to shoot up schools,then you say it's not the video games fault,then you say it's the parents fault..please make up you're mine)

The parents how say such things don't know sh--. You find me and unbiased scientific study that proves me wrong. Oh wait there's none.

( amd when have they ever don't a scientific study of any kid to knwo if parents do are do not know sh--? Comeone show me one! You can't cause you pulled that out you're ear!No offence mean by the ear remark!)




I disagree I think it's parents are too busy working and doing other stuff to actually parent and other wise be in their childs life.

It's not that they don't know anything. Plus a lot of teens ( not just parents) babble off bs too ya know!

Plus you overlook in you're own Teen inspired wisdom that the human anilmal will grasp at all and sundry for an explaination for why bad thinsg happen they don't have to be a parent,or an adult they can be a teen or even a little child!

[Danny_boi 16]

I disagree I think it's parents are too busy working and doing other stuff to actually parent and other wise be in their childs life.

If a parent cannot do their job, being a parent, then that child must me removed and taken into the custody of that state.

[Zenos]

If a parent cannot do their job, being a parent, then that child must me removed and taken into the custody of that state.

WAIT WUT??

Dude in most families now adays both parents have to work.

[Danny_boi 16]

WAIT WUT??

Dude in most families now adays both parents have to work.

but if they only work and do not pay attention to their child at all. That is neglect and that child must be taken by social services.

[Zenos]

but if they only work and do not pay attention to their child at all. That is neglect and that child must be taken by social services.

:what:dude most people that work do pay attention to their children it's just with both parents having to work these days that a child is not going to get near as much parental guidance etc etc that they should because of their parents working.

[Danny_boi 16]

:what:dude most people that work do pay attention to their children it's just with both parents having to work these days that a child is not going to get near as much parental guidance etc etc that they should because of their parents working.

I'm not sure you're understanding the topic of it all. 1. Video games do not cause violence in a teens. 2. People who say that are mostly parents that don't know sh--. 3. There is no scientific study proving me wrong. 4. If a child ever does become violent it is not due to the media exposure, the parents raised the child incorrectly. 5. Working parents is not an accuse to raise your child.

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084038]I'm not sure you're understanding the topic of it all. 1. Video games do not cause violence in a teens.

(of course not,I never said they did so please stop retreading that!)


2. People who say that are mostly parents that don't know sh--.

(wrong most people who say that are mostly pop-psychologist taking advantage of a situation to bandy about their latest theory on how to raise a male child,notice they never aim it at female children,and usually these pop- psychologists don't have children themselves ,or it's radical big wig preachers trying to scare peeps into their church)








3. There is no scientific study proving me wrong.

(nor one to prove you right either,plus anyone with a brain knows scientific stidies are worth less then the paper they are printed one because anyone shoveling out the cash can ensure that said scientific study says exactly what they want it to. A scientific study is no gaurantee of honesty)


4. If a child ever does become violent it is not due to the media exposure, the parents raised the child incorrectly.


(That just depends on the reason for the child beciomeing violent,could be he was defending himself,or he has anger issuses in either case it has nothing to do with the parenst parenting ability)

5. Working parents is not an accuse to raise your child.



(never said it was)

[Danny_boi 16]

[QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084038]I'm not sure you're understanding the topic of it all. 1. Video games do not cause violence in a teens.

(of course not,I never said they did so please stop retreading that!)


2. People who say that are mostly parents that don't know sh--.

(wrong most people who say that are mostly pop-psychologist taking advantage of a situation to bandy about their latest theory on how to raise a male child,notice they never aim it at female children,and usually these pop- psychologists don't have children themselves ,or it's radical big wig preachers trying to scare peeps into their church)








3. There is no scientific study proving me wrong.

(nor one to prove you right either,plus anyone with a brain knows scientific stidies are worth less then the paper they are printed one because anyone shoveling out the cash can ensure that said scientific study says exactly what they want it to. A scientific study is no gaurantee of honesty)


4. If a child ever does become violent it is not due to the media exposure, the parents raised the child incorrectly.


(That just depends on the reason for the child beciomeing violent,could be he was defending himself,or he has anger issuses in either case it has nothing to do with the parenst parenting ability)

5. Working parents is not an accuse to raise your child.



(never said it was)

well it looks like we can agree on something; however, there are three thing I want to address

1. (That just depends on the reason for the child beciomeing violent,could be he was defending himself,or he has anger issuses in either case it has nothing to do with the parenst parenting ability)
If a child has anger issues the parents need to fix that anyway and any how.
How would a child need to defend himself/herself and from what?

2. (nor one to prove you right either,plus anyone with a brain knows scientific stidies are worth less then the paper they are printed one because anyone shoveling out the cash can ensure that said scientific study says exactly what they want it to. A scientific study is no gaurantee of honesty)
In the beginning I said unbiased which means that the scientific has to come from a university and or government.

3. (wrong most people who say that are mostly pop-psychologist taking advantage of a situation to bandy about their latest theory on how to raise a male child,notice they never aim it at female children,and usually these pop- psychologists don't have children themselves ,or it's radical big wig preachers trying to scare peeps into their church)
several days after the Sandy Hook shooting parents called for a ban on violante video games, toy guns, and have all shooting removed from the media.

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084096][QUOTE=Zenos;2084084]

well it looks like we can agree on something; however, there are three thing I want to address

1. (That just depends on the reason for the child beciomeing violent,could be he was defending himself,or he has anger issuses in either case it has nothing to do with the parenst parenting ability)
If a child has anger issues the parents need to fix that anyway and any how.
How would a child need to defend himself/herself and from what?

( oh like kids aren't bullies and don't start fights with other kids.:rolleyes:)


2. (nor one to prove you right either,plus anyone with a brain knows scientific stidies are worth less then the paper they are printed one because anyone shoveling out the cash can ensure that said scientific study says exactly what they want it to. A scientific study is no gaurantee of honesty)
In the beginning I said unbiased which means that the scientific has to come from a university and or government.


( the problem is with a university they will say what ever is in their best interest due to rich people handing out grants to them,and lol the government
need more be said then they'll say what ever it takes to control people)

3. (wrong most people who say that are mostly pop-psychologist taking advantage of a situation to bandy about their latest theory on how to raise a male child,notice they never aim it at female children,and usually these pop- psychologists don't have children themselves ,or it's radical big wig preachers trying to scare peeps into their church)
several days after the Sandy Hook shooting parents called for a ban on violante video games, toy guns, and have all shooting removed from the media.


(yes a total reactionary backlash,but it was by people with real concerns,even though their goals are unrealistic,but that does not mean that those parents don't know sh--,it's just they are trying to deal with something they never thought would happen,and they nor even teens and kids where prepared for that to happen,but again that does not mean parents don't know shi--,you could just as easily say teens don't know shi-- but that doesn't make it a fact!)

[Danny_boi 16]

[QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084096][QUOTE=Zenos;2084084]

well it looks like we can agree on something; however, there are three thing I want to address

1. (That just depends on the reason for the child beciomeing violent,could be he was defending himself,or he has anger issuses in either case it has nothing to do with the parenst parenting ability)
If a child has anger issues the parents need to fix that anyway and any how.
How would a child need to defend himself/herself and from what?

( oh like kids aren't bullies and don't start fights with other kids.:rolleyes:)


2. (nor one to prove you right either,plus anyone with a brain knows scientific stidies are worth less then the paper they are printed one because anyone shoveling out the cash can ensure that said scientific study says exactly what they want it to. A scientific study is no gaurantee of honesty)
In the beginning I said unbiased which means that the scientific has to come from a university and or government.


( the problem is with a university they will say what ever is in their best interest due to rich people handing out grants to them,and lol the government
need more be said then they'll say what ever it takes to control people)

3. (wrong most people who say that are mostly pop-psychologist taking advantage of a situation to bandy about their latest theory on how to raise a male child,notice they never aim it at female children,and usually these pop- psychologists don't have children themselves ,or it's radical big wig preachers trying to scare peeps into their church)
several days after the Sandy Hook shooting parents called for a ban on violante video games, toy guns, and have all shooting removed from the media.


(yes a total reactionary backlash,but it was by people with real concerns,even though their goals are unrealistic,but that does not mean that those parents don't know sh--,it's just they are trying to deal with something they never thought would happen,and they nor even teens and kids where prepared for that to happen,but again that does not mean parents don't know shi--,you could just as easily say teens don't know shi-- but that doesn't make it a fact!)

( oh like kids aren't bullies and don't start fights with other kids.:rolleyes:)
I don't believe in bullies, I find this whole 'bully crisis' to be complete bull.

People should just stop trying to do unrealistic things I find that highly illogical. Final point in a kid has problem it is the duty of the parents to take care of that no matter what.

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=Zenos;2084105][QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084096]

( oh like kids aren't bullies and don't start fights with other kids.:rolleyes:)
I don't believe in bullies, I find this whole 'bully crisis' to be complete bull.

People should just stop trying to do unrealistic things I find that highly illogical. Final point in a kid has problem it is the duty of the parents to take care of that no matter what.

A kids got to learn to stand on their own two feet and stand up forthemsleevs and that mommy and daddy can't solve everything are be their all the time and that they themselves will have to have ahand in solving their own problems.

In short if you're being bullied stand up to the bully and do you're best to beat their a$$,so that they will have much more wisdom to think over afterwards on how to treat people.

Oh and for the most part humans are illogical!

I mean where the logic in loading up on say roids just to look like a walking hulk? yeh i know not everyone uses roids,but it's just one example of how illogical humans can be.

[Danny_boi 16]

[QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084132][QUOTE=Zenos;2084105]

A kids got to learn to stand on their own two feet and stand up forthemsleevs and that mommy and daddy can't solve everything are be their all the time and that they themselves will have to have ahand in solving their own problems.

In short if you're being bullied stand up to the bully and do you're best to beat their a$$,so that they will have much more wisdom to think over afterwards on how to treat people.

Oh and for the most part humans are illogical!

I mean where the logic in loading up on say roids just to look like a walking hulk? yeh i know not everyone uses roids,but it's just one example of how illogical humans can be.

If a kid doesn't know to stand up for himself/herself without violence. Then the kid is going to have a rude awakening when he/she steps out into the real world. Just because someone was mean to a person to you does not give that person the right to harm them. It is only in life threatening situation, the defendant has the right to harm his/her attacker; only in the case while the attack is ongoing presently.

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=Zenos;2084140][QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084132]

If a kid doesn't know to stand up for himself/herself without violence. Then the kid is going to have a rude awakening when he/she steps out into the real world. Just because someone was mean to a person to you does not give that person the right to harm them. It is only in life threatening situation, the defendant has the right to harm his/her attacker; only in the case while the attack is ongoing presently.


So you're saying for example that if a 11 boy gets shoved down on the gorund by another 11 year old boy he should just go on like nothing happened?

[Majin Vegeta]

[QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084166][QUOTE=Zenos;2084140]


So you're saying for example that if a 11 boy gets shoved down on the gorund by another 11 year old boy he should just go on like nothing happened?

of course he should fight back!

and even if he's being verbally abused he should fight back physically. because after all "telling an adult" and "walking away" have done so much to help with those problems in the past

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=Zenos;2084174][QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084166]

of course he should fight back!

and even if he's being verbally abused he should fight back physically. because after all "telling an adult" and "walking away" have done so much to help with those problems in the past

true,and to me Danny_boi 14 seems to be all for the pansiefacation of todays teens,don't fight back lower you'er head and shuffle away!

[Majin Vegeta]

[QUOTE=Majin Vegeta;2084177][QUOTE=Zenos;2084174]

true,and to me Danny_boi 14 seems to be all for the pansiefacation of todays teens,don't fight back lower you'er head and shuffle away!

it's from all that "turn the other cheek" bs lol

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=Zenos;2084180][QUOTE=Majin Vegeta;2084177]

it's from all that "turn the other cheek" bs lol


True,true,I from what a cousin of mine and others his age has told me,about what it was like back in the 80's i'm sad to say imost of us teens today is we where sent back intime to then and had to deal with the stuff teens had to most of todays generation of teens would be hiding under the beds sucking their thumbs!

[Danny_boi 16]

[QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084166][QUOTE=Zenos;2084140]


So you're saying for example that if a 11 boy gets shoved down on the gorund by another 11 year old boy he should just go on like nothing happened?

There is no need for violence. I don't get bullied. I don't believe in bulling I think its a shame. Just because a person a 11 is pushed has no ground for retaliation.

[Danny_boi 16]

[QUOTE=Zenos;2084174][QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084166]

of course he should fight back!

and even if he's being verbally abused he should fight back physically. because after all "telling an adult" and "walking away" have done so much to help with those problems in the past

There is no reason to fight back. The best thing to so is to stand up for yourself without violence. The best thing to do is to restrain oneself, so one does not cause too much damage.

[Zenos]

[QUOTE=Zenos;2084174][QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084166]

There is no need for violence. I don't get bullied. I don't believe in bulling I think its a shame. Just because a person a 11 is pushed has no ground for retaliation.


You have yet to realize that there are some people who to qoute word for word a freind of mine from taiwan:

"Some people will not learn lesson,until they are physically taught it"

And yes is someone shove you down on to the ground that IS REASON to retaliate.

So sound like either a complete pacifist or a coward.

Now i'm not trying to insult you,but you are comming off as one of those too and perosnally i'mm leaning toward " you're a complete pacifist",who'd not raise a hand against another person based on what ever you're perosnal beliefs are.


Am I getting any where near being right on you being a pacifist?

[Danny_boi 16]

[QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084189][QUOTE=Zenos;2084174]


You have yet to realize that there are some people who to qoute word for word a freind of mine from taiwan:

"Some people will not learn lesson,until they are physically taught it"

And yes is someone shove you down on to the ground that IS REASON to retaliate.

So sound like either a complete pacifist or a coward.

Now i'm not trying to insult you,but you are comming off as one of those too and perosnally i'mm leaning toward " you're a complete pacifist",who'd not raise a hand against another person based on what ever you're perosnal beliefs are.


Am I getting any where near being right on you being a pacifist?

I will never get bullied because people respect me and my family. I'm no coward, I'm the farthest from. I can easily cause harm to anyone; I choose not to. A person need self control and self confidence to be balanced and with the law of both here and higher. There really needs to be a good reason for me or anyone to harm another human being. So to answer your question I'm not a coward nor a complete pacifist, but I won't harm a person without a great reason.

[jayyy-lmao]

Video games do not cause violence. Now, I will be honest, I do play video games, and they can be exceptionally violent, but the age ratings stop people who would take it that it is acceptable. I will explain. Lets say a 10 year old plays 18s games. Its an 18s game because of the content. A 10 year old would think it is acceptable to kill. People who are responsible enough should be allowed play.

[villain]

I don't think video games cause crime but prevent them. They're great stress relievers but I usually play for the fun of it.

[Majin Vegeta]

Video games do not cause violence. Now, I will be honest, I do play video games, and they can be exceptionally violent, but the age ratings stop people who would take it that it is acceptable. I will explain. Lets say a 10 year old plays 18s games. Its an 18s game because of the content. A 10 year old would think it is acceptable to kill. People who are responsible enough should be allowed play.

there's 10 year old kids that play gta games and don't grow up to be violent
not everyone matures at the same age. I can't think of a better way than the esrb so I'll just shut up I guess.

[Horizon]

If you want to be literal about it, it's the glorification of violence in the media that causes people to think violence is okay. And a little bit of it also goes to home issues. Parents love, LOVE, to blame everything else for their child's behavior, except their own actions. Parents need to realize, a child's behavior reflects on his/her home life. So blaming things like video games is petty, and just an excuse so they don't have to take responsibility over their child's behavior.

[Horizon]

[QUOTE=Majin Vegeta;2084177][QUOTE=Zenos;2084174]

There is no reason to fight back. The best thing to so is to stand up for yourself without violence. The best thing to do is to restrain oneself, so one does not cause too much damage.

You are very sadly mistaken. It's one thing, if someone is yelling at you, calling you names, and you walk away. But if someone is physically attacking you, you need to retaliate. It's called 'self defense'. I've read most of your posts, and you have got a lot to learn dude. If a kid is bullying others (and yes, bullying exists. Just because /you/ don't get bulled, doesn't mean it doesn't exist) it is the fault of the parents for not teaching their child that treating others in that way is not acceptable. You seem to refuse to accept that if a child acts a certain way, it is solely because of his home life. Because his parents didn't take actions needed to correct any wrong behavior, or they exhibit that behavior in front of them, teaching them even more it's okay, when it's not. And I'll come back to the violence issue. If someone is verbally attacking you, I feel you should stand up for yourself, maturely. But if they start physically attacking you, you need to defend yourself. When you try to run from a person who is attacking you, you are submitting to them, and giving them power over you. When you don't defend yourself, you telling the bully it's okay to treat you that way, because you aren't going to try and stop it.

It's time to face reality, bullying is an issue. But it's the parents fault for not teaching their kids to stand up for themselves, or how to defend themselves. People attacking you is a part of life. A part of life that a parent needs to teach their child how to handle. And when they don't, they aren't doing their job. You can argue what is and what isn't a parents job all you want. At the end of the day, a parent is supposed to raise you and give you the tools you need to lead a successful life. The ability to defend yourself, and stand up for yourself, comes with these tools. And teaching you that uncalled for violence against anyone is not okay as well. If they don't teach you that, they are not doing their job.

[Danny_boi 16]

[QUOTE=Danny_boi 14;2084191][QUOTE=Majin Vegeta;2084177]

You are very sadly mistaken. It's one thing, if someone is yelling at you, calling you names, and you walk away. But if someone is physically attacking you, you need to retaliate. It's called 'self defense'. I've read most of your posts, and you have got a lot to learn dude. If a kid is bullying others (and yes, bullying exists. Just because /you/ don't get bulled, doesn't mean it doesn't exist) it is the fault of the parents for not teaching their child that treating others in that way is not acceptable. You seem to refuse to accept that if a child acts a certain way, it is solely because of his home life. Because his parents didn't take actions needed to correct any wrong behavior, or they exhibit that behavior in front of them, teaching them even more it's okay, when it's not. And I'll come back to the violence issue. If someone is verbally attacking you, I feel you should stand up for yourself, maturely. But if they start physically attacking you, you need to defend yourself. When you try to run from a person who is attacking you, you are submitting to them, and giving them power over you. When you don't defend yourself, you telling the bully it's okay to treat you that way, because you aren't going to try and stop it.

It's time to face reality, bullying is an issue. But it's the parents fault for not teaching their kids to stand up for themselves, or how to defend themselves. People attacking you is a part of life. A part of life that a parent needs to teach their child how to handle. And when they don't, they aren't doing their job. You can argue what is and what isn't a parents job all you want. At the end of the day, a parent is supposed to raise you and give you the tools you need to lead a successful life. The ability to defend yourself, and stand up for yourself, comes with these tools. And teaching you that uncalled for violence against anyone is not okay as well. If they don't teach you that, they are not doing their job.

My parents taught me how to stand up for myself. I went to a community center where I was 'pushed' around. I fought back and I really hurt people. I don't want to hurt people it doesn't feel right inside me. I can defend myself with actions and words; a person needs to learn both. But violence is not the first and only answer. My parents taught me how to fight back when needed to. But I taught myself to be reasonable.