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Jess
December 22nd, 2012, 01:01 AM
Pope takes anti-gay marriage stance to new level (http://news.yahoo.com/pope-takes-anti-gay-marriage-stance-level-105918474.html)

VATICAN CITY (AP) — The pope took his opposition to gay marriage to new heights Friday, denouncing what he described as people manipulating their God-given gender to suit their sexual choices — and destroying the very "essence of the human creature" in the process.

Benedict XVI made the comments in his annual Christmas speech to the Vatican bureaucracy — one of his most important speeches of the year. He dedicated it this year to promoting family values in the face of vocal campaigns in France, the United States, Britain and elsewhere to legalize same-sex marriage.

In his remarks, Benedict quoted the chief rabbi of France, Gilles Bernheim, in saying the campaign for granting gays the right to marry and adopt children was an "attack" on the traditional family made up of a father, mother and children.

"People dispute the idea that they have a nature, given to them by their bodily identity, that serves as a defining element of the human being," he said. "They deny their nature and decide that it is not something previously given to them, but that they make it for themselves."

"The manipulation of nature, which we deplore today where our environment is concerned, now becomes man's fundamental choice where he himself is concerned," he said.

It was the second time in a week that Benedict has taken on the question of gay marriage, which is dividing France after proponents scored big electoral wins in the United States last month. In his recently released annual peace message, Benedict said gay marriage, like abortion and euthanasia, was a threat to world peace.

After the peace message was released last week, gay activists staged a small protest in St. Peter's Square.

Church teaching holds that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered," though it stresses that gays should be treated with compassion and dignity. As pope and as head of the Vatican's orthodoxy watchdog before that, Benedict has been a strong enforcer of that teaching: One of the first major documents of his pontificate said men with "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies shouldn't be ordained priests.

For the Vatican, though, the gay marriage issue goes beyond questions of homosexuality, threatening what the church considers to be the bedrock of society: a family based on a man, woman and their children.

But the Vatican's opposition has been falling on deaf ears. Under then-Socialist leader Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the largely Roman Catholic Spain legalized gay marriage. Earlier this month, the British government announced it will introduce a bill next year legalizing gay marriage, though it would ban the Church of England from conducting same-sex ceremonies.

In France, President Francois Hollande has said he would enact his "marriage for everyone" plan within a year of taking office last May. The text will go to parliament next month. But the country has been divided by vocal opposition from religious leaders, prime among them Bernheim, as well as some politicians and parts of rural France.

The Socialist government's plan also envisions legalizing same-sex adoptions. Benedict quoted Bernheim as denouncing that in his view, under the plan, a child is now essentially considered an object people have a right to obtain.

"When freedom to be creative becomes the freedom to create oneself, then necessarily the Maker himself is denied and ultimately man too is stripped of his dignity as a creature of God," Benedict said.

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In his recently released annual peace message, Benedict said gay marriage, like abortion and euthanasia, was a threat to world peace.

*facepalm* How the hell is gay marriage a threat to world peace? -_-

TheMatrix
December 22nd, 2012, 02:47 AM
*facepalm* How the hell is gay marriage a threat to world peace? -_-

It isn't. But you're forgetting the purpose of this: to generate lots of hype so that people get all worked up about it and start to bicker about it. It always ends with "well god is mysterious" or whatever.
If the pope outright said "yeah, gays can marry", then half the world would get upset.

And, don't forget religion's goal: maintain attention as much as possible. The pope doesn't want people to forget about his religion. So he has the goal: get people talking about it. You are talking about it. The pope wins, you lose. You're probably getting fed up about it(and if you're not, there's probably some resentment judging by your word choice), still giving him the win.

It makes perfect sense (the statement being said, not the contents per se) if you think about it. But that's not the idea. The idea is to go blindly accepting it, just like you did.

Haufen
December 22nd, 2012, 08:02 AM
>My face when agreeing with the Pope while I'm an Agnostic atheist from a calvinistic country.

ReginaGeorge
December 22nd, 2012, 08:14 AM
Le sigh. Crap like this is just holding the world back so much.

TigerBoy
December 22nd, 2012, 09:13 AM
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*facepalm* How the hell is gay marriage a threat to world peace? -_-

Because we're somehow causing hurricanes (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/domenick-scudera/this-gay-is-exhausted-from-causing-hurricane-sandy_b_2044431.html)and mass shootings (http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/pastor-schools-teaching-%E2%80%98how-be-homo%E2%80%99-caused-sandy-hook-shooting211212) (and source 2 (http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/anti-gay-pundit-says-connecticut-shooting-school-%E2%80%98did-not-embrace-god%E2%80%99151212), and not forgetting the WBC).

I have another theory for those hurricanes. Personally I think any harmful air movements can be attributed to the hot air coming from central Italy, and any spin is attributed to encountering more hot air from the southern USA.

FreeFall
December 25th, 2012, 03:57 PM
Oh wow. Clearly to obtain world peace we have to destroy the gays/pans/bis, kill anyone who knows how to give abortions/induce miscarriages and put pregnant women in cages, and not allow anything that can be used in lethal injections without a government/religious official present. It's so simple! Just when we were happy more states in America finally "allowed" gay marriage too, sigh.

Sir Suomi
December 26th, 2012, 12:38 PM
In his recently released annual peace message, Benedict said gay marriage, like abortion and euthanasia, was a threat to world peace.


Wow, even I am overwhelmed at the stupidity of that statement, and I'm not even a fan of same-sex marriage.

Gandalf
December 28th, 2012, 12:10 PM
You don't know how crap that article made me feel... Just had to say that.

havingfun
December 28th, 2012, 09:25 PM
I don't know about the world peace stuff, but I agree with him otherwise. I know I am not the only one who opposes gay marriage.

TigerBoy
December 29th, 2012, 04:59 AM
I don't know about the world peace stuff, but I agree with him otherwise. I know I am not the only one who opposes gay marriage.

Right ... so even though you don't agree with his "reasons" you think it is wrong. Care to share why you oppose equal marriage rights?

Snookers
December 29th, 2012, 01:35 PM
I think people make too much fuss about sexuality. They treat homosexuality like a kid who cannot tolerate changes, that is too immature to accept changes, but the thing is, homosexuality isn't something new among humans, it's something that developed alongside with mankind. Many people hid it because they were afraid of rejection but I think we need to stop it. We live in the 21st century goddamn it, people have more freedom as they had 100 years ago, everything is evolving. Religious people like this are keeping humanity back. They think that homosexuality is some kind of illness or power of the devil. *sigh*

FreeFall
December 29th, 2012, 01:59 PM
I think people make too much fuss about sexuality. They treat homosexuality like a kid who cannot tolerate changes, that is too immature to accept changes, but the thing is, homosexuality isn't something new among humans, it's something that developed alongside with mankind. Many people hid it because they were afraid of rejection but I think we need to stop it. We live in the 21st century goddamn it, people have more freedom as they had 100 years ago, everything is evolving. Religious people like this are keeping humanity back. They think that homosexuality is some kind of illness or power of the devil. *sigh*
Actually, the disdain and prejudice against homosexuality or any other sexuality other than heterosexual, is relatively new. But you're right homosexuality/non heterosexual sexualities have been around since the ancient man.
China, for example. "Passion of the Cut Sleeve", the "bitten peach", these were terms for homosexuality in China, ancient China, which was normal.
No one thought anything of a man with another man, until the 19th/20th century. Since the ancient times, since their B.C. times, homosexuality had been just another "normal" sexuality. In 1997 they made homosexual relations legal (again) and in 2003 removed homosexuality as a mental illness. But the same sex couple are still denied many basic rights a heterosexual couple is open to.

I find it odd that an entire culture and nation could go from seeing homosexuals as any regular old couple, to outlawing them and classifying them as an illness, in a few centuries.

Gaybaby94
December 29th, 2012, 04:02 PM
I don't know about the world peace stuff, but I agree with him otherwise. I know I am not the only one who opposes gay marriage.

Right ... so even though you don't agree with his "reasons" you think it is wrong. Care to share why you oppose equal marriage rights?

Yes, please explain why you are against my right to marry?

Anyways...this is exactly why I hate religion. Blaming us for all the problems in the world when religion is the problem.

Lyra Heartstrings
December 29th, 2012, 09:15 PM
I don't know about the world peace stuff, but I agree with him otherwise. I know I am not the only one who opposes gay marriage.

..Well, why?