Armed guards in all schools?

[chrisawesome]

What did I just hear, the NRA wants armed guards in every school. Do you know how much money this is going to cost! Not everyday, there will be someone willing to go on a killing spree. So the other 179 days of school, there will be money poured out into hiring another armed guard at schools!

I have a better idea, why dont we set restrictions on certain types of guns. There is no need to have a machine gun for hunting or home protection. So why do we need them. And violent video games. Shooting games are a spark for young people to make mass shootings. Some crazy people who play these games think it is O.K. to kill people and when you get through with the game to turn it off and act like it never happened. While innocent children are being abused or shot, an industry is banking in profits. I am pro-business but this is just unacceptable. Not everyone is like this, but the ones who are are dangerous. This is just begging for violence!

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[Mortal Coil]

I think that guards are as likely to go on killing sprees as kids are. So requiring them to have guns is just the stupidest shit I've ever heard.

[Lost in the Echo]

I think it's a great idea! Yes, there won't be a big shooting spree at a school everyday, but why take a chance?

In the future, it's almost guaranteed that something like what happened in Connecticut, will happen again, but this time the school will have security, to prevent it.

Yes, it may cost a lot of money, but it's a great investment of it.
I'd rather see money spent on something like this, than it being spent on stupid meaningless bullshit.

I think this is a tremendous idea, it definitely lowers the possibilty of another tradgedy like the one in Connecticut.

[Inventor2]

I think that teachers are as likely to go on killing sprees as kids are. So requiring them to have guns is just the stupidest shit I've ever heard.

Armed guards, not armed teachers.

[Aajj333]

I would not feel safe walking into school knowing there is someone with a gun that I don't know or trust. It would cost a lot of money. I think there are better ways to make schools safer

[Lost in the Echo]

I would not feel safe walking into school knowing there is someone with a gun that I don't know or trust. It would cost a lot of money. I think there are better ways to make schools safer

And those ways are...?

I think this is the best solution, I heard they give the security guards background checks and shit. The schools make sure the security guards are trustworthy.
I think this is the best thing to do.
Someone would have a very hard time trying to come up with a better idea than this one.
This is a great thing in my opinion.

[Inventor2]

I would not feel safe walking into school knowing there is someone with a gun that I don't know or trust. It would cost a lot of money. I think there are better ways to make schools safer

i dont think this is very logical.

1) so you dont "know" the police, so do you not trust them?
2) if its that much of an issue, then whats it matter to spend a billion on protecting our future. As if the U.S dosnt have enough money...
3) what ways would you make a school safer? You should give examples so people know what you mean.

[workingatperfect]

I think it's a great idea. My old school district had a cop in each building every day, all day. The school doesn't pay him, the city does, just as they would if he was on duty anywhere else. It's a good idea. Not only does it help with security, but it's also helped crack down on fights and drugs in my old school.

[Aajj333]

i dont think this is very logical.

1) so you dont "know" the police, so do you not trust them?
2) if its that much of an issue, then whats it matter to spend a billion on protecting our future. As if the U.S dosnt have enough money...
3) what ways would you make a school safer? You should give examples so people know what you mean.

And those ways are...?

I think this is the best solution, I heard they give the security guards background checks and shit. The schools make sure the security guards are trustworthy.
I think this is the best thing to do.
Someone would have a very hard time trying to come up with a better idea than this one.
This is a great thing in my opinion.

Sorry I didn't make it clear. The background check is a great idea. What would make me nervous about it is the fact that someone has a gun right outside my classroom. A better way might be to make the gun laws stricter.

[PinkFloyd]

Yes, I think that would be a good idea. With armed guards, this sort of thing will not happen as much as it does now. I must disagree with you about the violent video game thing though. I'm a huge GTA guy, but that doesn't mean im gonna shoot up a school. I respect your opinion. Please don't give me any neg rep.

[Inventor2]

You know what i find funny? When it comes to a police officer being at every school for drugs and fights, everyone is ALL for it. But when it comes to having them for protection, it is labled too expensive and too dangerous and the last thing we need is more guns. Well considering they are police, half the schools already have them, and every town can spare 3 or 4 police officers whats the big deal. Its almost like you people want more massacurse to happen. The richest of the rich have body guards so they dont get hurt. Well why not at our schools? You people are to full of it to admit it, you are wrong. Or you are to fed up with it and you dont want to believe what is actualy good for our country. I usualy like to be reasonable and look into both side, but this is plain common sense people. Seriously get real

[xXJust Jump ItXx]

What did I just hear, the NRA wants armed guards in every school. Do you know how much money this is going to cost! Not everyday, there will be someone willing to go on a killing spree. So the other 179 days of school, there will be money poured out into hiring another armed guard at schools!

I have a better idea, why dont we set restrictions on certain types of guns. There is no need to have a machine gun for hunting or home protection. So why do we need them. And violent video games. Shooting games are a spark for young people to make mass shootings. Some crazy people who play these games think it is O.K. to kill people and when you get through with the game to turn it off and act like it never happened. While innocent children are being abused or shot, an industry is banking in profits. I am pro-business but this is just unacceptable. Not everyone is like this, but the ones who are are dangerous. This is just begging for violence!

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Good idea and its got cons. The cost of them, its over kill (no pun intended) in many cases and it can really freak out students.

Heres my stupid feed back on your post, Im not saying your wrong. But we do have restrictions of certain firearms. You in I wanna say all states unless you have a special permit from the government to, you CANNOT own a fully automatic firearm. Semi automatic are legal and do have restrictions on them though. We have done studies to show violet video games do not cause in any way mass shooting and only elevate teens emotional levels but not to extent theyd harm people. Personally, I dont play video games, ever. Shooting ones arent my favorites but Im okay with em and I wouldnt let a 8 year old play Call of Duty: Black Ops. Would a 16 year old playing it be okay? Sure, tons do, they are all fine... Most of them cant handle a real gun anyways. I dont even watch much tv to tell you the truth here. I do have a hunting license for firearms and archery. I do also hunt with a firearm, and I do that less often. I "specialize" in range shooting. Doing long range to be specific, anything past 100 yards. Up to 1,000 yards even, or is my goal soon. If you talk to me or anyone at my range or guys I know who hunt around me, they will tell you a ton of things bout firearm safety and they dont go light on it. Now sadly not ever place is like this, I live in the country too, so basically everyone owns a gun. We got a cop in the school, always have. Shootings and school shootings arent always in city or populated places, there was a shooting in a 1 room Amish school house a few years back. These things can be "prevented" but we cant always tell if they are coming and we cant always stop them. Columbine, we had leads... It could of. Sandy Hook, no one knew! Not a single person ever thought this would happen.

[Inventor2]

Sorry I didn't make it clear. The background check is a great idea. What would make me nervous about it is the fact that someone has a gun right outside my classroom. A better way might be to make the gun laws stricter.

An armed guard would be outside of main entrences, not every class. And making more gun laws i dont think will help. And to anyone who does tell me more about how criminals follow laws.

[Aajj333]

An armed guard would be outside of main entrences, not every class. And making more gun laws i dont think will help. And to anyone who does tell me more about how criminals follow laws.

I mean laws that would make it harder to purchase a gun

[chrisawesome]

The point is, Republicans and Democrats alike need to come together in order to protect America's future! And get something done already...

If It makes America safer, the violent video game companies still survive and I am wrong, then I'll admit that I am wrong. But until then...

[huginnmuninn]

why are people so obsessed with automatic weapons? none of the weapons in Connecticut school shootings was an automatic weapon. making stricter gun laws on automatic weapons won't do anything to prevent this. actually enforce the laws we have now and it'll make things better.

as for the armed guard thing... stupidest idea i've heard in a while

[TheBigUnit]

NRA is pathetic GOP major sponsors, the reason why many recent shootings should be blamed on them,

What I think should happen is, the local county should send a police officer to report to the school, no one looses money, maybe certain administrators could carry HANDguns/taser, no need for a death machine lol

And no way there should be bans on violent video games, maybe make the ratings more enforced, ex. think about pornography, does watching porn make people into rapists? If anything it subsides men to do anything crazy like that, same way with violent videos games, it eases stress and "urges"

[Professional Russian]

theres plenty of veterans that are unemployed. give them something to do like this one: http://www.wsmv.com/story/20378185/marine-father-stands-watch-at-nashville-elementary-school?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass

[Gigablue]

I think it's a terrible idea, it would cost a huge amount, and wouldn't make people much safer. If you have an armed guard in the school, people would just kill them first, then shoot other people after. A much better solution to the problem would be gun control.

[vif859]

Anything that creates more jobs for police officers I agree with

[Professional Russian]

I think it's a terrible idea, it would cost a huge amount, and wouldn't make people much safer. If you have an armed guard in the school, people would just kill them first, then shoot other people after. A much better solution to the problem would be gun control.

they could eliminate the threat faster than someone off campus. and no gun control will not fix the fucking problem. gun control will make it fucking worse.

[Jean Poutine]

I think it's a great idea! Yes, there won't be a big shooting spree at a school everyday, but why take a chance?

In the future, it's almost guaranteed that something like what happened in Connecticut, will happen again, but this time the school will have security, to prevent it.

Yes, it may cost a lot of money, but it's a great investment of it.
I'd rather see money spent on something like this, than it being spent on stupid meaningless bullshit.

I think this is a tremendous idea, it definitely lowers the possibilty of another tradgedy like the one in Connecticut.

It's a stupid idea and doesn't fix anything.

First, the guards can become the killers. The onset of schizophrenia doesn't manifest itself until the early 20s. I could fall under a spell of psychosis any moment - would you trust me with your protection, and more importantly, would you trust me with a gun? Background checks are just that - background checks. They check what happened before. Russell Williams is a Canadian serial killer that also liked to sniff panties and sexually molest women. This man was a Canadian army colonel. Checks don't mean shit.

Second, Colombine had an armed guard on duty. That sure helped. Hint : it didn't.

Third, the NRA's whole (stupid) argument is that to stop gun crime, you have to put more, and bigger guns into the hands of "good guys", not understanding that a good guy can turn into a bad guy any second.

More guns doesn't fix shit. Less guns does.

And those ways are...?

I think this is the best solution, I heard they give the security guards background checks and shit. The schools make sure the security guards are trustworthy.
I think this is the best thing to do.
Someone would have a very hard time trying to come up with a better idea than this one.
This is a great thing in my opinion.

Duuuuumb. Background checks are stupid and don't prevent anything. As I said, they check the background, they don't check if the young guard you assigned to the local kindergarten won't undergo psychosis on a good morning due to the onset of schizophrenia and shoot the whole place himself because God told him the children are spawns of Satan. They also don't check if an older guy won't undergo a major depressive episode that would suffice to pull the trigger.

Kimveer Gill had a background check done on him prior to joining the army. He was asked to leave once he completed boot camp because they finally noticed he wasn't stable. Next thing he did, he used the permit issued to him due to his military training to purchase restricted weapons then shot at people.

I have a better idea. Gun control laws. Ever hear of school shootouts in Canada? Sure, but not once every 6 months like in the US.

I think it's a great idea. My old school district had a cop in each building every day, all day. The school doesn't pay him, the city does, just as they would if he was on duty anywhere else. It's a good idea. Not only does it help with security, but it's also helped crack down on fights and drugs in my old school.

Columbine had a guard. It didn't help. Catching neophyte drug dealers and spree killers are two immensely different things.

Wanna know how it is up here? School doors are permanently unlocked as long as somebody is working in the building. There are no metal detectors, no armed guards, hell, not even guards. I've been to the worst high school in eastern Quebec, and not once have I felt myself in any great danger.

You Americans are simply paranoid. It's time to let it go. The world is not against you, and putting more guns around just means criminals have an easier time getting bigger pieces.

they could eliminate the threat faster than someone off campus. and no gun control will not fix the fucking problem. gun control will make it fucking worse.

Well said by yet another little NRA puppet, whose main hobby is probably jumping in the air firing six-shooters like Yosemite Sam.

How would gun control make things worse? Hint : they'd make them better. Well drafted gun control laws ensure that guns end up in the hands of the most responsible citizens within human deductive power and logic while at the same time making it harder for criminals to obtain said guns.

[Professional Russian]

Well said by yet another little NRA puppet, whose main hobby is probably jumping in the air firing six-shooters like Yosemite Sam.

How would gun control make things worse? Hint : they'd make them better. Well drafted gun control laws ensure that guns end up in the hands of the most responsible citizens within human deductive power and logic while at the same time making it harder for criminals to obtain said guns.

Actually i hate playing around with the internals of Revolvers drives me insane. anyways, Gun control can not work in the US there is to much illegal gun trade. I the government banned guns you could still easily get them. and if guns were banned thered be a civil war but thats for another time

[Jean Poutine]

Gun control can not work in the US there is to much illegal gun trade. I the government banned guns you could still easily get them. and if guns were banned thered be a civil war but thats for another time


Why do people always jump to banning guns when I mention restriction?

Restriction isn't prohibition. The two are apples and oranges. Dicks and vaginas. You cannot compare them. That's it and that's all!

Many, many law abiding Canadians own a gun, mostly rifles or shotguns. It is not all that hard to get one, unless there is a valid reason why you shouldn't have one. It takes a long time and does takes some patience, but it's not hard. For a rifle, all you need is a background check, character references, membership at a shooting range, a hundred bucks for the firearms safety class, pass the test, then you wait until your application is approved and voilà, you can now get a gun.

Perhaps there would be less illegal gun trade if there were, I don't know, less guns? When almost anyone can butt in a gun shop and leave with a Glock and enough bullets to turn a small village in a ghost town, of coruse there's going to be illicit gun trade because the product is so easy to get to begin with.

Say heroin tomorrow is given about the same level of legislative control as guns in the US. Say also that technology has evolved to such a point that heroin, via a chip, is able to be "serialed" and its users, identified, much in the same way as a gun's serial number. Of course illicit heroin trade is going to go up, not down, as people get it from an easily accessible source then resell it without the chip, or add stuff in it to give it a bigger kick, or transform it, refine it into a more potent product. Restrict the source, restrict the trade. Simple as that.

[Skyline]

I wouldn't go to school if there was a person that I don't know holding a gun...

[workingatperfect]

Wanna know how it is up here? School doors are permanently unlocked as long as somebody is working in the building. There are no metal detectors, no armed guards, hell, not even guards. I've been to the worst high school in eastern Quebec, and not once have I felt myself in any great danger.

You Americans are simply paranoid. It's time to let it go. The world is not against you, and putting more guns around just means criminals have an easier time getting bigger pieces.

Well it's wonderful that you can feel so safe in your school. Someone from a local school was arrested for threatening to take a gun to school this week. My brother's best friend got attacked by someone with a piece of glass when he was in middle school, he had to get stitches in the back of his neck. This girl I went to school with pulled a knife on a teacher once. Thankfully, it was after we got the cop in our school and he was nearby. The other day there was a shooting near a day care in my town. No one was hurt, but some bullets did go into the daycare.

I live in a "safe" town. If my little 600 student school has problems like this, imagine schools in the big crime cities. Saying that we're just paranoid is bullshit. Maybe we are worried about safety, but it's not without reason. Parents are afraid to let their kids go to school for a reason. We aren't safe and it's only getting worse. This stuff happens a lot more than people know or realize, not every story makes national news.

He's a couple of the stories I mentioned in case you're interested.
The shooting earlier this year (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/02/3-or-4-shot-shot-at-an-ohio-high-school/1#.UNXjjG_aL4g)
The threat some local kid made (http://www.wkbn.com/content/news/local/story/Jefferson-Student-Arrested-for-Making-Threat/YIc2DUBQdECKIDh0gXDexw.cspx)

[Jean Poutine]

Well it's wonderful that you can feel so safe in your school. Someone from a local school was arrested for threatening to take a gun to school this week. My brother's best friend got attacked by someone with a piece of glass when he was in middle school, he had to get stitches in the back of his neck. This girl I went to school with pulled a knife on a teacher once. Thankfully, it was after we got the cop in our school and he was nearby. The other day there was a shooting near a day care in my town. No one was hurt, but some bullets did go into the daycare.

Saying that we're just paranoid is bullshit. Maybe we are worried about safety, but it's not without reason. Parents are afraid to let their kids go to school for a reason. We aren't safe and it's only getting worse. This stuff happens a lot more than people know or realize, not every story makes national news.


Have you ever considered that all of this is happening precisely because of the culture of paranoia Americans hold themselves so tightly to? That all the people who did this think it's okay to bring a weapon with them to school, be it glass, knife or gun, precisely out of a paranoid need to safeguard themselves, their interests and their honor, when in reality, there is no such need to cling so tightly to weapons? Since your culture glorifies weaponry, since America was born out of violence and revolution, is it all that surprising that people who have been taught all their life that it's okay for them to carry arms in case they encounter danger use them? Danger is subjective : danger can be bodily harm or harm to one's reputation or bullying or whatever.

Wouldn't a good step in the right direction to get rid of your national obsession with paranoia and weaponry be to restrict weapons instead of throwing them to whoever wants one?

Sticking police everywhere and becoming for all purposes a police state is not the way. I have been to New York City and was very surprised at all the cops there. They were guarding movie theaters because some dude went to Batman with a gun and started shooting. I just wanted to see Batman with my girlfriend and cops everywhere were cordoning the theaters, watching us quite carefully. This would never happen in Canada. We didn't stick police in every college because of Dawson. We didn't stick police in every university after the Polytechnique or McGill. This is paranoia as its finest, and being so scared of violence only entails more violence. It makes people twitchy and of course they are more likely to jump a fuse.

There's a reason why Canadians are caricatured as patient, friendly and polite. We are not paranoid.

[workingatperfect]

Yes, it would be a good step. I am all for tighter gun control, trust me. I'm moving in with my step dad in two months and I won't be able to walk to the store because of how many people have been shot on his street just this year. I'd love to feel safe in my own house, and taking guns away from these people would be a great step to getting there.

And yes, that is part of it. But the people that I mentioned weren't in any danger. They were the bullies. But anyway, I agree that the fact that we're afraid is part of the problem, but there's no way to fix that, is there? At least not entirely.

[Mortal Coil]

Armed guards, not armed teachers.

Right, sorry. I saw on the news elsewhere that they were planning to arm the teachers as well.

[Jakeisamazing]

I don't think that's really a good idea....

[Professional Russian]

I wouldn't go to school if there was a person that I don't know holding a gun...

SO you dont trust the police........

[Inventor2]

I mean laws that would make it harder to purchase a gun

Ok i do agree with this. What i disagree with is actualy banning and putting limits on guns. Just to play devils advocate i will say, what criminal is going to buy a gun legaly? Making them harder to buy will make then harder for law abiding citizens to get, Not criminals.

[Skyline]

SO you dont trust the police........

No, I think that all police are scary... All it takes is one wrong movement and they unload a clip in your ass.

[Professional Russian]

No, I think that all police are scary... All it takes is one wrong movement and they unload a clip in your ass.

Except they they have ROE they have to follow.......

[Skyline]

Except they they have ROE they have to follow.......

Yes and if they mistake something you have as a gun... You're done..

[Professional Russian]

Yes and if they mistake something you have as a gun... You're done..

they will stop you and search you before they shoot you. they wont shoot unless they are or anyone else is deathly endangered.

[Skyline]

they will stop you and search you before they shoot you. they wont shoot unless they are or anyone else is deathly endangered.

I'm just not a fan of the idea of a person having a firearm around me. After all, humans make mistakes...

[Thunderstorm]

I think that guards are as likely to go on killing sprees as kids are. So requiring them to have guns is just the stupidest shit I've ever heard.

This was what I was gonna say. I totally agree.

You can't trust anyone to be armed near people, especially kids. This would trigger another investigation into seeing if police officers are mentally stable to be trusted with guns near kids. So, why don't we just move along with banning semi-automatic guns like th UK, because they now have one of the lowest rates of gun homicide in the world. It's only a matter of time before we see a repeat. and as for violent video games, I think video games should be tested before they are put out to see how violent they are. I'm sure they do something of the sorts now but they really need to step it up, because you can see how people are influenced by them.

[vif859]

Police Officers already need to pass a psychological evaluation and background check.

Also, testing video games wouldn't have helped in this case, the shooter was a legal adult

[HUSTLEMAN]

My opinion on the matter... eh. I mean I see the reason behind it but how about this, instead of wasting thousands on armed police officers educate the masses on these topics so it will literally be engrained into their minds and then you can realize the outcome.

You're Welcome

[ProudConservative]

You know how we could pay for this, kill all the rapists and murderers in the prisons. Just kill them, they took the peace of mind from the people they hurt, which is why they should be killed. Taking away the peace of mind from people in my mind is the biggest crime of all.

[chrisawesome]

You know how we could pay for this, kill all the rapists and murderers in the prisons. Just kill them, they took the peace of mind from the people they hurt, which is why they should be killed. Taking away the peace of mind from people in my mind is the biggest crime of all.

You say your from D.C., I hope your the president or congress in disguise because this is a great idea!, I mean if someone commited murder and confessed to it, they have no reason to live. They took away someone elses life, so why do they have the right to life. This is a great Idea, I'm voting for your for sure!!!!

Death penalty is not cruel or unusual, I call it "equal punishment"
And yes, I am a Christian, but sometimes, Politics and Religion dont belong in the same place.

Oh yeah and lets Impeach Obama.

Before he raises taxes on my parents and makes their $20 million company go bankrupt. Because the people who really run this country, Business owners, "make too much" Oh by the way, my parents pay 40% of their income in taxes. OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED. HE IS RUINING AMERICAN BUSINESS.

He bails out Detroit, then he wants to tax them more? Sooo stupid.

Police Officers already need to pass a psychological evaluation and background check.

Also, testing video games wouldn't have helped in this case, the shooter was a legal adult

Yeah, but some adults are so childish and nerdy that they dont get a life or a job so they still play video games. I'm 17, I quit playing video games and I make $20k a year. So get a life and better yourselves...

Please don't triple post, use the "Edit" or "Multi-quote" buttons instead. ~TheMatrix

[mranderson]

lol dont try and say video games cause mass killings

[MisterSix]

There is no need to have a machine gun for hunting or home protection. So why do we need them.

They don't need them. They are just for fun.
Why do people need cars that go 200km/h?

[MrDaniel2K13]

Although I'm not from America; I think having an Armed Guard in all American schools is a good idea.

[anyone50]

Armed the teachers? Then what happens if that teacher goes postal. From what i have heard on the news in the past week or so sounds a lot like the arms race we studied in History. the bad guys gave guns so we get more and bigger ones so before you know it were back in the wild west were everyone is armed and every disagreement ends in a shootout. Statistics prove that if you have a gun in your house there is a real chance of that gun being used to kill you or your family so the same applies to guns in the school.

[anyone50]

I think it's a great idea! Yes, there won't be a big shooting spree at a school everyday, but why take a chance?

In the future, it's almost guaranteed that something like what happened in Connecticut, will happen again, but this time the school will have security, to prevent it.

Yes, it may cost a lot of money, but it's a great investment of it.
I'd rather see money spent on something like this, than it being spent on stupid meaningless bullshit.

I think this is a tremendous idea, it definitely lowers the possibilty of another tradgedy like the one in Connecticut.

if this is true what happened at Columbine. There was armed security at the time of that shooting. This would only help if it was a forced entry and i can't think of another shooting where the gunman forced his way into the school. No the next one will be a student gets a gun from someone in the school and shoots up the place. Most people don't relaize but these shootings are over in a matter of minutes and the gunman ususally shoots himself in the end anyway not really enough time for an armed responce if the guard is at the other end of the school