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Danny_boi 16
December 16th, 2012, 11:04 AM
This has nothing to with suicide. But with biology and philosophy. Have you ever wounded, why do you exist? Why did amino acids compound to make proteins, to make cells, to make you? Why did cells form to make you? And what propose do you serve?
shatter..
December 16th, 2012, 04:32 PM
I've thought about this many times with no answer. I don't think we, as humans, will ever fully understand our purpose.
Gigablue
December 16th, 2012, 07:49 PM
We have no purpose, we just exist. We live and then we die. Why does life need some intrinsic purpose?
As for why cells formed, and ultimately became people, that's just a matter of science. The laws of chemistry can explain the formation of the first cells, and then evolution took over and created the diversity of life, including humans.
Manjusri
December 16th, 2012, 09:02 PM
Have you ever wounded, why do you exist? Why did amino acids compound to make proteins, to make cells, to make you?
Two cells accidentally bumped into each other and had sex. From there on the rest pertains to the laws of evolution.
Humans don't really serve a purpose in the long run of things. The universe is vast and earth compared to everything else is pretty insignificant. Maybe one day we'll escape the grasp of earth and venture into other parts of the galaxy.
"My life amounts to no more than one drop in a limitless ocean. Yet what is any ocean, but a multitude of drops?"
— David Mitchell, Cloud atlas
Lost in the Echo
December 16th, 2012, 09:40 PM
Yeah, i've wondered this.
I've wondered if there is some "higer purpose" in life, or if humanity has a higher purpose in life, but i've come to the conclusion that we will probably never know the true answer to this question.
People have theories about this, some think there is a higher purpose, others think we just live and die, and that's it.
We don't have a true answer, so i'm done listening to theories on whether or not there is a higher purpose, or if I have a purpose.
I'm just going to live my life, and whatever happens, happens.
This question can be debated over and over, but none of us know the answer.
All we can do is wonder.
Jakejjj
December 16th, 2012, 09:55 PM
its pretty strange if you really think about it ans crazy how cells make us
Danny_boi 16
December 16th, 2012, 10:04 PM
We have no purpose, we just exist. We live and then we die. Why does life need some intrinsic purpose?
As for why cells formed, and ultimately became people, that's just a matter of science. The laws of chemistry can explain the formation of the first cells, and then evolution took over and created the diversity of life, including humans.
But what is the point of cells to make us, and give us a conscious? Even when we "die" the cells will still live. So why make us, for what purpose, I don't think we can just exist.
Guillermo
December 16th, 2012, 10:07 PM
We have no purpose, we just exist. We live and then we die.
So if everyone just existed and then died, then how would the species carry on? Should it not at least be live, breed, then die? Obviously, not everyone is going to breed, but think about animals. If they just lived and died, then they would eventually just all die out. Their other purpose is to breed before they die so they can carry on the species. Because if they didn't do that, then they'd all go extinct and then they'd really have no purpose because they wouldn't exist.
Danny_boi 16
December 16th, 2012, 10:17 PM
So if everyone just existed and then died, then how would the species carry on? Should it not at least be live, breed, then die? Obviously, not everyone is going to breed, but think about animals. If they just lived and died, then they would eventually just all die out. Their other purpose is to breed before they die so they can carry on the species. Because if they didn't do that, then they'd all go extinct and then they'd really have no purpose because they wouldn't exist.
but what is the point of the spices; if only to live, have sex, have an offspring, then die? what is the point, if the offspring is going to repeat cycle?
Gigablue
December 16th, 2012, 10:30 PM
But what is the point of cells to make us, and give us a conscious? Even when we "die" the cells will still live. So why make us, for what purpose, I don't think we can just exist.
You're starting with the premise that there must be some meaning, but there doesn't have to be one. The cells that make us up don't have some purpose. They just carry out commands in their DNA and communicate with other cells, until they eventually die.
Nothing in life suggests a meaning to life in general. There really isn't much plausibility for a meaning of life. There is just no reason to assume a meaning without some evidence for one.
So if everyone just existed and then died, then how would the species carry on? Should it not at least be live, breed, then die? Obviously, not everyone is going to breed, but think about animals. If they just lived and died, then they would eventually just all die out. Their other purpose is to breed before they die so they can carry on the species. Because if they didn't do that, then they'd all go extinct and then they'd really have no purpose because they wouldn't exist.
I stand corrected. We live, reproduce, then die. I just wanted to make a point that in the grand scheme of things, we are insignificant.
Guillermo
December 16th, 2012, 10:49 PM
but what is the point of the spices; if only to live, have sex, have an offspring, then die? what is the point, if the offspring is going to repeat cycle?
You seem to be looking for something above and beyond that. That is the point of a species; to live, have offspring, and then die. If a species doesn't do that then they die out and ultimately don't have anymore purpose because they're gone. It's really that simple. Ever heard of the "circle of life"? Well there ya go.
Danny_boi 16
December 16th, 2012, 11:17 PM
But I am aware that, I'm alive and that I'm real. And I can think for myself, but how do I know the same for you. I don't think I'm I'm looking for a higher power. I'm just asking why. If we just exist to live in a dull "cycle of life" then why do I have a mind, not a brain, but a mind. Why do i have consciousness?
Gigablue
December 17th, 2012, 06:49 AM
But I am aware that, I'm alive and that I'm real. And I can think for myself, but how do I know the same for you. I don't think I'm I'm looking for a higher power. I'm just asking why. If we just exist to live in a dull "cycle of life" then why do I have a mind, not a brain, but a mind. Why do i have consciousness?
You have conscienceness because it was evolutionarily beneficial. Having a large enough brain produces conscienceness. Also, the mind is the brain, there is no separation between them.
Danny_boi 16
December 17th, 2012, 08:07 AM
You have conscienceness because it was evolutionarily beneficial. Having a large enough brain produces conscienceness. Also, the mind is the brain, there is no separation between them.
how is it beneficial? And you didn't answer my question. How do I know your real, and not just a figment of my imagination?
I'm being philosophical. There is a difference from you mind and brain. We do not know the full power of the brain.
Gigablue
December 17th, 2012, 04:28 PM
how is it beneficial? And you didn't answer my question. How do I know your real, and not just a figment of my imagination?
Conscienceness helps with planning, group dynamics and abstract thought, to name a few things. Having a larger brain was evolutionarily beneficial, and conscienceness emerged as a result.
I'm being philosophical. There is a difference from you mind and brain. We do not know the full power of the brain.
How do you know? The mind is just a phenomenon that emerges as a result of the brain. There is more going on in the brain than that which we are aware of, but there isn't really a separation.
Human
December 17th, 2012, 04:43 PM
I don't think we have a purpose at all, I think we're just like robots, we reproduce to reproduce and spread, not for any specific reason but we were built with the instincts to want to do that. I think consciousness is just the transfer of data in your brains magnetic field or whatever jazz you get what I mean.
I view everything as just a structure, we are mechanically moving and consciousness isn't completely real although it's physical
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