Think about this: Connecticut Shooting Recap

[Inventor2]

Im sure we have all heard about the tragedy that took place on friday after noon. There is a big uproar about putting guards outside of schools, strictening laws, making tougher gun laws, and other measures to be taken. People are fighting over all of this and i really dont think its worth it. In America we cant even guaranty the 100% saftey of our own president. Sow how can we fuarenty the saftey of everyone? We cant. It is simply not possible. Cant everyone relise that this is life and bad things happen? Instead of arguing about all the laws to prevent this when we cant. We can make it less likely, but not stop it. We should be more focused on the familys that lost their loved ones. And the teachers that surrendered their lives to protect the innocent soles to grow up and be happy. Not bickering about pointless topics. Anyone else feel this way?

[Noirtier]

THANK YOU, finally, someone else feels the same way. 20 kids get shot and killed, along with 6 adults, and many more injured, and all people can do is fucking argue about gun control and shit. It's really started to piss me off. I mean really people, children are killed and all you care about is arguing your point about gun laws? Pathetic.

[World Eater]

THANK YOU, finally, someone else feels the same way. 20 kids get shot and killed, along with 6 adults, and many more injured, and all people can do is fucking argue about gun control and shit. It's really started to piss me off. I mean really people, children are killed and all you care about is arguing your point about gun laws? Pathetic.

It is sickening. I know I'm going to hear nothing, but gun control when I arrive at school Monday.

Aside from those that call for gun control, the Westboro Baptist Church is planning to picket the funerals. Fucking assholes.

[Ryhanna]

Of course people are going to argue about gun laws following a situation like this. People want to find some sort of solution and regulating guns is the most obvious solution. What's wrong with that?

[Professional Russian]

Of course people are going to argue about gun laws following a situation like this. People want to find some sort of solution and regulating guns is the most obvious solution. What's wrong with that?

Its not the solution

[PinkFloyd]

It is sickening. I know I'm going to hear nothing, but gun control when I arrive at school Monday.

Aside from those that call for gun control, the Westboro Baptist Church is planning to picket the funerals. Fucking assholes.

What!? The westboro baptist church is gonna get involved? Sickens me. I want thos people dead. I know it's unhealthy to think like this, but i want to kill the leader of their so called "church." :mad::mad::(

[Ryhanna]

Its not the solution

Then what is?

[Listed MIA]

I don't know. What if it was your little brother or sister that got killed? Would you just be like "Oh well that's life, bad things happen, there was nothing we could have done to stop it". I don't think so, you'd want to know how this happened and what could have been done to prevent it. I think its natural after something like this to ask questions and look for something or someone to blame. I imagine there will be some kind of official enquiry?

What!? The westboro baptist church is gonna get involved? Sickens me. I want thos people dead. I know it's unhealthy to think like this, but i want to kill the leader of their so called "church." :mad::mad::(

If they turn up then it'll go down really badly. No doubt someone will murder them for you.

[Lost in the Echo]

Yeah, I kinda agree with you, but I still think we should have stricter laws, so we can try to stop things like this from happening.
Mass murders happen too frequently in America, I think stricter gun laws would help to stop things like this from happening.

[kenoloor]

Yeah, fuck the future generations who will be affected by our present policies. We shouldn't be thinking about preventative action. We should just move on with our lives and forget bad shit happened. Who needs questions about safety. Fuck that.

[Guillermo]

Not bickering about pointless topics.

How are they pointless? They need to be discussed. And something needs to be put into action about it. No, there's not a full-proof 100% way to prevent such things from happening but if something isn't done to better prevent massacres like this then what will happen? They'll keep happening, it seems. I mean, how many more massacres will it take for something to actually be done? It's people like you that don't think progressively and therefore won't get anywhere in the future. So in the long-run, thanks for thinking about others.

What!? The westboro baptist church is gonna get involved? Sickens me. I want thos people dead. I know it's unhealthy to think like this, but i want to kill the leader of their so called "church." :mad::mad::(

You shouldn't waste your energy over hating them. They're basically trolls in human form instead of internet ones.

And anyway, I see no other news source but this (http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-school-shooting-westboro-baptist-church-planning-to-picket) one that says they're planning on picketing the funerals and it's one of the worst places to obtain news from.

[Manjusri]

Then what is?

Nothing. Humans have a natural tenancy to harm one another, whether or not you want to believe it. Some people cause emotional harm, others cause physical harm.

If a law is passed banning weaponry people are still going to find other means to hurt each other.

[Sleepy Raisin]

If you think about it schools really are one of the safest places in the country.. I mean where else can you have approximately over 5,000 people in one place everday just about and them not have to worry about being killed every minute of the day..
I mean a school shooting happens very very rarely. Theres not much they can do to prevent occurrences like the one we've had. So when it DOES happen its a huge deal and people tend to take dramatic measures to try to preven it from happenig again.
But honestly, insane people do insane things to do what they intend to do. Increasing a little security and closig the doors really wot help much.

[FreeFall]

The thing is, we mourn. We're grieving, we're hurting, we're angry, we're scared.
We hate feeling like that, so we don't want that to happen again. (We as in collective assumption, not everyone to ever live) Something as tragic as this raises "what the hell can we do so no one kills the babies anymore!?" And we discuss to try and find something, anything that will give us a peace of mind for safety and security, protection from this occurring once more. It can't be ignored, could it have been postponed, yes and it should have. But we don't want to have this happen again.

It's fucking sickening and disgusting and revolting that some are using this as a stepping stone in political campaigns. It's also sickening and revolting from those who are using this tragedy as a "seeeeee? I told you guns were baaad. Now look! I told you sooooo." The people perverting this tradgedy into benefiting themselves and their own personal gain? Sick people. The people shaking from this and trying to find something to cling to in hopes that this can be prevented, at least in a smaller percentage, not the same as those sick people.

In the end, we've lost children. Babies who never got the chance to live. They were just happy to have their parents tell them Santa would be coming, that they're growing so big. I cannot stomach children dying by the hands of violence and terror, and my heart breaks for them. We just don't want to endure this again, we just want to somehow close the door that was left open, but we don't know where the key is.

[Inventor2]

Of course people are going to argue about gun laws following a situation like this. People want to find some sort of solution and regulating guns is the most obvious solution. What's wrong with that?

No it isnt the most obvious. Because in China (in china you cant own firearms) on friday a man whent to a school slashing 22 students with a knife leaving thwm in critical condition. So as i said. Its life and there is nothing we can do. If we make more gun control people will start using bombs, knifes, terrorism on busses. Is that really what we want to happen?

[FreeFall]

No it isnt the most obvious. Because in China (in china you cant own firearms) on friday a man whent to a school slashing 22 students with a knife leaving thwm in critical condition. So as i said. Its life and there is nothing we can do. If we make more gun control people will start using bombs, knifes, terrorism on busses. Is that really what we want to happen?
And knives in China are related to gun shooting in America...how exactly? What is it you were aiming for with that statement? I'm lost.
And there is always something we can do about life. Look at history. Look at the wars. Look at the people, women and blacks and those who left for America for religious freedom, who must have said, "oh well this is life what can you do" and look where we are now. It's dramatic and not the same as the situation at hand, but it's enough to say look something can be done. We can either go up or down, regardless something must give. Whichever way we push it, we do have the ability to shift it.

[shadymc]

the guy that killed these kids was the problem. Not guns. And tightening gun control laws, won't change the fact there are 20 kids dead, and there are sick people that do this.

[Pierce]

Of course people are going to argue about gun laws following a situation like this. People want to find some sort of solution and regulating guns is the most obvious solution. What's wrong with that?

I agree. We don't have time to mourn the loss of a few souls when many more are at risk. We must discuss a solution so that it will not happen again in the future. Death is sad and we can mourn but we must soon come up with a solution on gun control so this doesn't happen again.

[Ryhanna]

No it isnt the most obvious. Because in China (in china you cant own firearms) on friday a man whent to a school slashing 22 students with a knife leaving thwm in critical condition. So as i said. Its life and there is nothing we can do. If we make more gun control people will start using bombs, knifes, terrorism on busses. Is that really what we want to happen?

Yes, people are always going to hurt each other. Gun control isn't designed to eradicate violence, just to make it more difficult for crazies to have access to guns. Obviously people will always find a means to kill, and we can't stop that, but we can prevent them from easy access to firearms that tbh are essentially war machines.

[Plane And Simple]

the guy that killed these kids was the problem. Not guns. And tightening gun control laws, won't change the fact there are 20 kids dead, and there are sick people that do this.

If you think about it schools really are one of the safest places in the country.. I mean where else can you have approximately over 5,000 people in one place everday just about and them not have to worry about being killed every minute of the day..
I mean a school shooting happens very very rarely. Theres not much they can do to prevent occurrences like the one we've had. So when it DOES happen its a huge deal and people tend to take dramatic measures to try to preven it from happenig again.
But honestly, insane people do insane things to do what they intend to do. Increasing a little security and closig the doors really wot help much.

Agree. There's no more to be said. I agree that the US gun laws are a bit too flexible, but even if they were more strict than they are now, this shooting couldn't have been avoided.

[Abigballofdust]

You say gun control is not the solution, then what is?
The majority here is American, so they don't have the same view on the matter as an European has.
Down here when somebody mentions school shootings, our mind goes to USA directly and here's the reason: Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#Europe) vs. USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States).
Why's that?
Sorry, but I can't relate it to anything but more permissive gun regulations.

[Gigablue]

No it isnt the most obvious. Because in China (in china you cant own firearms) on friday a man whent to a school slashing 22 students with a knife leaving thwm in critical condition. So as i said. Its life and there is nothing we can do. If we make more gun control people will start using bombs, knifes, terrorism on busses. Is that really what we want to happen?

The big difference is that with the stabbing, no one died. It is much harder to kill many people with a knife then with a gun. If he had had a gun, he might have killed many people.

[Inventor2]

The big difference is that with the stabbing, no one died. It is much harder to kill many people with a knife then with a gun. If he had had a gun, he might have killed many people.

Who said you have to use a knife. Would you rather people start making bombs? And setting them off at malls, school, in our public parks. Then we can start counting deaths by the hundreds.

You say gun control is not the solution, then what is?

there IS no solution. Thats what im trying to say. There are 270 million firearms in the hands of responsible americans. What is gun control going to do? It was already illegal for that guy to have those guns so how much further can you actualy take it? Now as i said i really dont wanna fight about this

Do not double post. ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[StoppingTime]

there IS no solution. Thats what im trying to say. There are 270 million firearms in the hands of responsible americans. What is gun control going to do? It was already illegal for that guy to have those guns so how much further can you actualy take it? Now as i said i really dont wanna fight about this

You don't want to argue because this is all you can come up with to support your idea.
"It's been like this for a while, there's nothing we can do."

The only problem with that is (like others have said in the other thread on this topic), is that there are plenty of other countries with strictly enforced gun and firearm laws. And if you look at those countries, the amount of gun violence is nowhere near what it is here.

[Inventor2]

And knives in China are related to gun shooting in America...how exactly? What is it you were aiming for with that statement? I'm lost.

I was saying that even if guns are totaly illegal, things like this will still happen. Witch relates to my orrigional post. There is absolutly nothing we can do. We need to accept that bad things happen and move on. Feel sorrow for the familys who lost their loved ones and pray for those who died. And stop putting them on camera for millions of people to watch on their television. Its sickening to put them through that as if its not hard enough for them already

You don't want to argue because this is all you can come up with to support your idea.
"It's been like this for a while, there's nothing we can do."

The only problem with that is (like others have said in the other thread on this topic), is that there are plenty of other countries with strictly enforced gun and firearm laws. And if you look at those countries, the amount of gun violence is nowhere near what it is here.

No i dont want to argue because its wrong. And those plenty of other countrys have had guns illegal ever sense they were invented. There is no possible way to clear this country of its 270,000,000 guns. It cant be done. And i dont need to come up with anything else cause thats all there is to it. There really is nothing we can do to stop crime.

Do not double post. ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[StoppingTime]

No i dont want to argue because its wrong. And those plenty of other countrys have had guns illegal ever sense they were invented. There is no possible way to clear this country of its 270,000,000 guns. It cant be done. And i dont need to come up with anything else cause thats all there is to it. There really is nothing we can do to stop crime.

I never suggested we should "clear this country" of firearms; that would be impossible.
But it wouldn't be impossible to put in greater restrictions so that it would be much harder for just anyone to own a firearm.

Oh, and if you don'y want to debate/argue, don't post in a debate forum. :rolleyes:

[Inventor2]

I never suggested we should "clear this country" of firearms; that would be impossible.
But it wouldn't be impossible to put in greater restrictions so that it would be much harder for just anyone to own a firearm.

Oh, and if you don'y want to debate/argue, don't post in a debate forum. :rolleyes:

I know i know i know i shouldnt have posted here it was an accedent. Take a look at this. We have a death rate of almost nothing compared to other countrys. So even if we take away guns then theres still other ways to enflict harm and this proves it. And like i said it was already illegal for him to have those guns. You cant do any more then that

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

And about whhat you said in my rep, i dont need a valid argument, because thats not what this thread was about. Everyone (except for a few) missed the whole point of this thread. This thread was supposed to be about coming to face the fact that we should be less focused on the debate part and more focused on the people who gave their lives or a child to live. Instead people argued and i argued back to explain that that wasnt the point bla-bla-bla... And it turned into this. And it makes me sad that 28 people just died and all we can do is fight with each other

You say gun control is not the solution, then what is?
The majority here is American, so they don't have the same view on the matter as an European has.
Down here when somebody mentions school shootings, our mind goes to USA directly and here's the reason: Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#Europe) vs. USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States).
Why's that?
Sorry, but I can't relate it to anything but more permissive gun regulations.

Europe is 1/3 of the size of america. Of coarse their death rate is going to be lower. And europe dosnt have near as many "angry" people as america has.

Do not double post. ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[StoppingTime]

I know i know i know i shouldnt have posted here it was an accedent.

yeasureokay.


Take a look at this. We have a death rate of almost nothing compared to other countrys. So even if we take away guns then theres still other ways to enflict harm and this proves it. And like i said it was already illegal for him to have those guns. You cant do any more then that

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

First, that chart hasn't been updated in two years, and second, it has no sources to go with it, so....

Again, nobody wants to ban firearms completely in the United States.
And yes, there would be other ways to kill. But, there would have been no way the massacre in Newtown could have occurred with anything but firearms.

I think the entire rampage took no less than three minutes. That's no possible to do with a knife.

[Inventor2]

I think the entire rampage took no less than three minutes. That's no possible to do with a knife.

first off yes it was an accident. Second your right you cant do it with a knife. But you could do it with a bomb in about 1.5 seconds. And third 2 years isnt that much considering our census is every 10 years

O and btw your still arguing. Why cant you an i both just drop it?

[StoppingTime]

first off yes it was an accident. Second your right you cant do it with a knife. But you could do it with a bomb in about 1.5 seconds. And third 2 years isnt that much considering our census is every 10 years

O and btw your still arguing. Why cant you an i both just drop it?

You're free to not reply, but as I said earlier, this is a debate forum, so that's what it should be used for.

And don't even go there with homemade bombs and whatnot; that has nothing to do with gun violence.

[Abigballofdust]

Europe is 1/3 of the size of america. Of coarse their death rate is going to be lower. And europe dosnt have near as many "angry" people as america has.

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454
It still has more than 5 times less murders, regardless size.
And 'angry' people is not really an argument, is it?

[Guillermo]

Europe is 1/3 of the size of america. Of coarse their death rate is going to be lower. And europe dosnt have near as many "angry" people as america has.

Yes, in area maybe. But not in population. Europe as a whole has way more people than the US. The US has 313,874,465 and the European Union has a population of 503,824,373 -- and that's not even including all European countries like Russia. I'm not really sure what you mean about Europe not having as many "angry" people as the US has... Mentally unstable people? Not sure how we can make an arguement there. All in all though, Europe does have a crime rate less than the US, and they have way more people then the US.

[Inventor2]

Yes, in area maybe. But not in population. Europe as a whole has way more people than the US. The US has 313,874,465 and the European Union has a population of 503,824,373 -- and that's not even including all European countries like Russia. I'm not really sure what you mean about Europe not having as many "angry" people as the US has... Mentally unstable people? Not sure how we can make an arguement there. All in all though, Europe does have a crime rate less than the US, and they have way more people then the US.

This is true. And by angry i do mean mentaly unstable. I just said that to cover all the areas of what would bring someone to make hell on people. Look at brazil with a death rate of 36,000 and norway had shooting of 77 people dead. Guns are the hardest to get in those countrys.

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454
It still has more than 5 times less murders, regardless size.
And 'angry' people is not really an argument, is it?

By angry i meant mentaly unstable. And you have to remember out of the 360,000,000 people in America, 150,000,000 of witch who own firearms. Only 3 of them actualy did something totaly horrific. (yes i know there are people who kill each other over drugs and such but that happens in a lot of places.)

You're free to not reply, but as I said earlier, this is a debate forum, so that's what it should be used for.

And don't even go there with homemade bombs and whatnot; that has nothing to do with gun violence.

Ok this is my last one. And yes it does relate because if people dont use guns, knifes, bombs, poison, or what ever people can get their hands on will be used.

Do not double post. ~ Mike/ImCoolBeans

[StoppingTime]

Ok this is my last one. And yes it does relate because if people dont use guns, knifes, bombs, poison, or what ever people can get their hands on will be used.

Knives can't kill 20 children in 3 minutes.
Poison can't kill 20 children in 3 minutes.
In this situation, any kind of bomb would have been virtually impossible to use, and has nothing to do with this argument.

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That leaves us with......... firearms. What a surprise.

[Inventor2]

In this situation, any kind of bomb would have been virtually impossible to use, and has nothing to do with this argument.


That leaves us with......... firearms. What a surprise.

In that situation. There are many other situations FYI. And yes it does have something to do with this argument because its "another weapon" tell me one law you could make right now about firearms that would stop this from ever happening. I guarantee you cant do it. You cant ban firearms because of how many there are (and knowone will ever pass that). And obviously more regulation wont do anything because it was already illegal for that man to posses those firearms.

[Lost in the Echo]

In that situation. There are many other situations FYI. And yes it does have something to do with this argument because its "another weapon" tell me one law you could make right now about firearms that would stop this from ever happening. I guarantee you cant do it. You cant ban firearms because of how many there are (and knowone will ever pass that). And obviously more regulation wont do anything because it was already illegal for that man to posses those firearms.

He has stated multiple times, that he wasn't implying banning guns, but stricter gun laws and gun control.
If we just did that, then it would do some good for america.
There would be less crimes and less deaths.

In the U.K. they have strict gun control, and they rarely have any gun related homicides.
If the U.S.A. would just follow suit, and do the same, it would really cut down on the amount of deaths.
Most murders are because of guns.

[Inventor2]

He has stated multiple times, that he wasn't implying banning guns, but stricter gun laws and gun control.
If we just did that, then it would do some good for america.
There would be less crimes and less deaths.

In the U.K. they have strict gun control, and they rarely have any gun related homicides.
If the U.S.A. would just follow suit, and do the same, it would really cut down on the amount of deaths.
Most murders are because of guns.

If we make more laws, only the law abiding citizens will follow it. All the criminals will look past it as they already do. There is an illegal sale of weapons that happens between criminals. This is already illegal and it has absolutly nothing to do with regular stores.

[Lost in the Echo]

If we make more laws, only the law abiding citizens will follow it. All the criminals will look past it as they already do. There is an illegal sale of weapons that happens between criminals. This is already illegal and it has absolutly nothing to do with regular stores.

Well, why make it easier on them to have access to guns?
Sure, some criminals will be able to get guns ilegally, but most of the time criminals have purchased their guns legally.

Stricter gun laws will make it tougher for criminals to have access to guns, and will ultimately decrease the amount of crime and deaths.

Stricter gun laws seems like the most rational and logical thing to do.

[Inventor2]

Well, why make it easier on them to have access to guns?
Sure, some criminals will be able to get guns ilegally, but most of the time criminals have purchased their guns legally.

Stricter gun laws will make it tougher for criminals to have access to guns, and will ultimately decrease the amount of crime and deaths.

Stricter gun laws seems like the most rational and logical thing to do.

Yes but it also makes it tougher for everyone else to get guns. (about 125,000,000 people to be exact) what we should do is accept bad things happen and move on. Between the movie theater, mall, and school thats 3/125,000,000. Thats is such a miniscul amount. And for the rest of the murderers, the majority of those is gangs fighting. And thats murderers fighting murderers. Crime happens, theres nothing you can do

[Lost in the Echo]

Yes but it also makes it tougher for everyone else to get guns. (about 125,000,000 people to be exact) what we should do is accept bad things happen and move on. Between the movie theater, mall, and school thats 3/125,000,000. Thats is such a miniscul amount. And for the rest of the murderers, the majority of those is gangs fighting. And thats murderers fighting murderers. Crime happens, theres nothing you can do

I understand some people enjoy guns as a hobby and all, but people's lives are more important.
Look at the U.K., the people there seem to be happy with strict gun laws.

[World Eater]

I understand some people enjoy guns as a hobby and all, but people's lives are more important.
Look at the U.K., the people there seem to be happy with strict gun laws.

Yes, but the U.S. isn't the U.K. now is it?

Really when it comes to guns, I'm indifferent on the matter. Whatever the majority rules I suppose...*shrug*? I just hate our media and how they always flock like vultures around these things.

[chrisawesome]

No laws or bans will stop senseless killing. But that is NOT an excuse not to take action!!!! People need to ban the production and selling of certain fire arms. They should only be sold to soldiers or guardsmen with the right authority.

Gun laws have been pushed aside for a long time. This is the wake up call that signals something to be finally, done. Last week a toddler shot himself in the head with a pistol and killed himself by accident while looking into the barrel of the gun.
Guns are lethal weapons, in the hands of the wrong people they will act to their full, lethal, potential.
People need to give up their hobbies of collecting the "baddest and coolest" guns for the safety of the rest of America.
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" J.F.K.

People want answers. They are fed up with these assholes who take many lives in mass shootings. They want a solution so this doesnt happen again. That is why we are so fired up about gun laws.

Machine like gun should not be in the hands of civilians! If he used a normal gun, every time he had to reload, 1 more life could have been saved.

IT IS OUR LAST CALL TO TAKE ACTION

[Aajj333]

Im sure we have all heard about the tragedy that took place on friday after noon. There is a big uproar about putting guards outside of schools, strictening laws, making tougher gun laws, and other measures to be taken. People are fighting over all of this and i really dont think its worth it. In America we cant even guaranty the 100% saftey of our own president. Sow how can we fuarenty the saftey of everyone? We cant. It is simply not possible. Cant everyone relise that this is life and bad things happen? Instead of arguing about all the laws to prevent this when we cant. We can make it less likely, but not stop it. We should be more focused on the familys that lost their loved ones. And the teachers that surrendered their lives to protect the innocent soles to grow up and be happy. Not bickering about pointless topics. Anyone else feel this way?

God bless the victims

I think you are right, we can not guaranty 100% safety but we can always improve it

[Abigballofdust]

Yes but it also makes it tougher for everyone else to get guns.
Why is this a bad thing?

[ApresMidi]

Listen.

Mass shootings dont happen in the Uk. We don't have guns.

Mass shootings do happen in the US. They do have easy access to guns..

Not rocket science to figure out what's causing it. Stupidly easy access to guns.
They need to make access to bullets a load harder,like, given out by leaders of hunting expeditions etc,and that'll reduce it. Simples.

[Inventor2]

Listen.

Mass shootings dont happen in the Uk. We don't have guns.

Mass shootings do happen in the US. They do have easy access to guns..

Not rocket science to figure out what's causing it. Stupidly easy access to guns.
They need to make access to bullets a load harder,like, given out by leaders of hunting expeditions etc,and that'll reduce it. Simples.

Take a moment and look at the size of your country. And considering you live in the UK i don't really think you know enough about America and how we feel about are guns to be arguing about it.

[ApresMidi]

I am American, I have an American passport, paternal family is American, we have a house in the us, I lived there as a child, i'm planning on going to a college there. Please don't presume about my situation from minor bits of info. xD

As I was saying, okay, what about Australia, they changed the rules, successfully.