Religion

[Aajj333]

In the Christian religion, if God is as great of a figure as people say he is, than why would he have problems with homosexuality and masturbation and stuff.

*** I am not asking what the Christian religion says about it, I'm asking why God, being as great of a figure as he is, care if you are gay or masturbate or cause suffering

[TigerBoy]

Mysterious ways.

Seriously it all comes down to how you interpret the bible, and if you run out of reasons in the bible for something, its "mysterious ways".

Its only the right-wing Christians who have a problem with those things, incidentally. The vast majority of UK Christians don't have a problem with homosexuality (I've no data on masturbation :P). Even taking the Catholic church in a survey 89% (http://www.brin.ac.uk/news/2010/at-odds-with-the-church-roman-catholic-opinion-ii/) did not think homosexuality is wrong.

[Lost in the Echo]

Yeah, I agree with TigerBoy.

Also, if god is good and supposed to help good people, then how come there is so much hate/war and poverty in this world? And how come GOOD people are suffering?
"God works in mysterious ways" .
That's what most Christians will tell you if they don't know the answer to something.
But, us people are become very advanced, and have been proving that most of the shit in the bible is either false or unlogical, like homosexuality and masturbation being wrong, or being a "sin" as they call it.

I used to believe in god, I still want to believe there is one, but it seems highly unlikely.
Most of the shit in the bible seems like a made up fairytale.

[TheSocialInspector]

Hate and poverty is not what God creates, it is an absence of the good and evil God intended.

Homosexuality is not allowed because God created man for woman, woman for man. "You may not lay yourself with a man that you would with a woman", that's a line from the bible, or something like that.

As for masturbation, I guess its linked to "lust" or something, which is considered a sin. However, if you give true repentance, God will forgive you. Stoning and whatever they have in these Countries for homosexuality and stuff are absolute bullshit. There is even a scene in the bible where Jesus himself proclaims(about a woman who committed adultery and is about to be stoned) - " If there is one man or woman here who has not committed a single sin in his or her life, may he or her be the one to throw the first stone! ". This left every single person out there scratching their heads and walking away.

I'm still a young confused Christian but I will do my best to defend my faith. You may criticize that we are basing our entire faith on a single book, but this is not true. Years of historical documents and scriptures, around the world has led to this.

Yes, I may be raised in a Christian environment, which may have solidified my faith but ...
there is still requirement for answers in God, as there are for Science.

Another thing I would like to point out is, in no absolute way is the murder in the name of the God a good thing, unless it is to cleanse evil, which is a terrible excuse. God never wanted this, and this alone is a shameful act to be committed. "Religion" is not the same as "faith". People must understand that.

As for the good people suffering, think about it. In the view of a mother or a father, you have 3 sons. You love all 3 as much as you have raised them with such effort. One day, one son hurts the second, out of envy, or out of rage. You, in the view as a good father or mother, would definitely punish the child, yes? But as you punish the child, your sympathy for the one who has been hurt and your fury in the punishment leads to worse states. Now, you end up with one son who had been hurt by the other and is crying, and the other you have punished is crying too. The third son, bearing the love to the other 2, desperately tries to comfort. This is the love of God, being sliced upon by rage and fury, sins of what he has so often elaborated upon. His love is equal and justified, but when one of his son causes evil to flow through the other, what does he has to do? Punish. And in every punishment, there is another loss in the punished. Good people being hurt are helped but they still bear the scars. As a good father or mother, you will know, and have faith that the hurt one will gain his own independence, pick himself up and walk on.

[TigerBoy]

Hate and poverty is not what God creates, it is an absence of the good and evil God intended.
If God intended good and evil, then hate and poverty seem on plan by that logic, and there is no absence.


Homosexuality is not allowed because God created man for woman, woman for man. "You may not lay yourself with a man that you would with a woman", that's a line from the bible, or something like that.

A great many Christians disagree with those two interpretations as I already illustrated. Here are some other interpretations for you to consider:

God created woman as a suitable partner for a man:

Genesis 2:18, God says, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”


As a gay person, a suitable person for me is not a woman. It might have suited Adam, but not me. I have a boyfriend - if God didn't want me to have him, why else would he have given him to me?

The prohibition you appear to be quoting is from old testament and is only found in Leviticus (and significantly the other prohibitions are repeated in other books without mentioning homosexuality, making Leviticus the odd man out). The Old Law was made obsolete by Christ's new convenant per Hebrews 8:13, who himself said nothing about homosexuality whatsoever. A fact in itself which suggests he wasn't bothered about it, since he had a lot to say about many other matters.


I'm still a young confused Christian but I will do my best to defend my faith. You may criticize that we are basing our entire faith on a single book, but this is not true. Years of historical documents and scriptures, around the world has led to this.
And yet all Christian documents are the writing of man, purporting to record the word of God. Man is an imperfect filter of truth, as history has shown us.

"Religion" is not the same as "faith". People must understand that.
Religion is what happens when a bunch of people disagree with a bunch of other people about how to interpret documents pertaining to their faith.

[Hunter_Steel]

Yes, the bible is written by man. Yes, the new bible is gay friendly. The bible has been rewritten and revised so many times over the past that the bible has lost all credibility. Blaming the bible for what it says is not going to solve anything. It is just a book with words printed in ink on it. The information in the bible has been edited too many times to know what is the truth of the bible.

There have been many books removed from the bible and new ones added, even some chapters were replaced and new ones were forged or old ones made longer. Corruption in man created the corruption in religion. Which effects the words of the bible. I am a Reformed Christian. But even we do not take to heart the words of the new holy bible.

Only the words of the old scriptures are credible now. Those have not been rewritten and edited. Yes, God works in mysterious ways. But he said himself that he will no longer interfere with man's life. That is why the miracles in the bible do not happen any longer. We are in control of our own lives. God is letting us choose our own paths now. Don't blame God for what is happening now. The world we live in is broken because Adam and Eve made the mistake of committing the first sins.

We are also, prone by nature, to hate God. But many of us choose to not hate him. Some people think that it is okay to hate on Christians for not liking Gay people. But we have done nothing wrong. We just express our rights to have our own opinions and expect not to be ridiculed by it. God gave us the brains to understand science. He was the reason we are intelligent and do not obey our instincts like mindless animals.

The reason that Christians say that God Works in Mysterious ways is because we do not know what God does. We do not know how he works, we also cannot say that this is what God does because he can do the exact opposite of what we are saying he does. Why can't we see him? Our sinful mortal bodies will be killed by the sight of his holy light. We are only able to see him once we leave our bodies and travel up to be judged. Our only true repentance is in the face of our creator.

~Hunter

[BrainDamage]

He doesn't its the church that does... The church always use God for good but also uses him to manipulate people... Like example in my country the church says that if you watch movies like harry potter that your a child of the devil and the teachers acuse you of being a satanist if you don't do as they say... The church says that to go against the church is to go against God but f#ck that the church are a bunch of manipulating scoundrels, when the entire world knew the world was round the church still banned and/or stoned people who said it wasn't flat...

[TigerBoy]

Some people think that it is okay to hate on Christians for not liking Gay people. But we have done nothing wrong. We just express our rights to have our own opinions and expect not to be ridiculed by it.

This is very much about mutual respect for your fellow man, and a great many enthusiastic religionists choose to ignore that principle. Fortunately a great many Christians are at peace with this particular issue, and they are far more deserving of respect in my view.

The more fundamentalist exceptions are unfortunately a very noisy and irrational lot, and it would disingenuous to claim that those Christians are being persecuted. Society is reacting to a very long, very well documented history of gay persecution by religion, and ongoing attempts by that group to impose their views on others. Being intolerant of intolerance is being "pro tolerance". This all starts with intolerance justified within organised religion: there is no history of gays burning Christians at the stake, torturing them in inquisitions, or making all Christians en masse into social outcasts unless they repent. Gays have not set up fraudulent therapies to attempt to cure Christians of religion. If those particular Christians don't like criticism for spreading hatred and division in the name of love, they should cease and desist.

[Human]

The invisible pink unicorn works in mysterious ways guys

[Stryker125]

I've gotta agree with TigerBoy on this one. I don't think being gay is much of an issue to God, seeing as Jesus never said anything about it. Same goes for masturbation. I've never seen masturbation even mentioned in the Bible.

^don't quote me on that though, i'm no expert. :P

I just concern myself with loving God and loving everyone else. Jesus said everything else would stem from those two commandments.

[Sleepy Raisin]

Ahem.... I would try to catch up to you guys but, i just dont feel like reading all of it...
Soooo.. This is my take:
As a Christian I have studied the bible and learned various things.
Onto masturbation, in the bible the word is never shown. Masturbation is a connection to lust which ultimately is one of the main sins.
But, nonetheless, no matter what God always forgives your sins when you ask for it.
Onto homosexuality.. Gods word says that no man should lay with a man as he does with a woman. Homosexuality was made by the Adversary as a way to trick humans.. (I'd love to quote some of this stuff for you, but i cant find my bible). Even though gays were born into sin that doesnt mean God stopped loving you. I mean, if you had a child and he turned out to be gay you wouldnt reject him as your son and hate him would you? No. The same applies to God and us, his children. I could add more if i could find my bible >_>

**I should note im trying to take an objective point of view, in a sense, and im just stating what i have interpreted from the bible(and these are not just my opinions its the ministry i belong to opinions too) in no way am i trying to offend anyone.

[CharlieFinley]

Yeah, I agree with TigerBoy.

Also, if god is good and supposed to help good people, then how come there is so much hate/war and poverty in this world? And how come GOOD people are suffering?
"God works in mysterious ways" .
That's what most Christians will tell you if they don't know the answer to something.
But, us people are become very advanced, and have been proving that most of the shit in the bible is either false or unlogical, like homosexuality and masturbation being wrong, or being a "sin" as they call it.

I used to believe in god, I still want to believe there is one, but it seems highly unlikely.
Most of the shit in the bible seems like a made up fairytale.
You can't prove that something like that isn't wrong from a theistic standpoint. I believe that homosexuality is not wrong in the eyes of the Lord, but I cannot prove that. You certainly can't prove that it isn't wrong in the eyes of the Lord, either.
And for such an advanced person, you really cannot use the English language correctly.


A great many Christians disagree with those two interpretations as I already illustrated. Here are some other interpretations for you to consider:

God created woman as a suitable partner for a man:
Ding ding ding! Even when the Hebrews were in the desert, Man and Woman were appropriate only for each other, because -- get this -- they needed to "be fruitful and multiply." Personal happiness didn't matter nearly as much as the survival of the tribe.

The invisible pink unicorn works in mysterious ways guys Thank you for your post. I shall waste no time in reading it.

I think an essential point many people are confusing is being good with being nice. God is good. He is not nice. He loves us, but he gets tired of our shit very easily. He barbecued Sodom and Gomorrah, yet he forgave us for nailing his son to a tree. He is good. Not nice.

[Lost in the Echo]

You can't prove that something like that isn't wrong from a theistic standpoint. I believe that homosexuality is not wrong in the eyes of the Lord, but I cannot prove that. You certainly can't prove that it isn't wrong in the eyes of the Lord, either.
And for such an advanced person, you really cannot use the English language correctly.

Yeah, I see that grammatical error I made, I was tired as fuck when I posted that, but it was just one grammatical error, I can read at a college level and I can spell basically any word, so don't question my intelligence.

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Also, I know things like that can't be proven, I was just expressing my opinion on the subject.
The shit in the bible just seems made up to me, like shit you would read in a fairytale or a fantasy book.

[CharlieFinley]

Yeah, I see that grammatical error I made, I was tired as fuck when I posted that, but it was just one grammatical error, I can read at a college level and I can spell basically any word, so don't question my intelligence.

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Also, I know things like that can't be proven, I was just expressing my opinion on the subject.
The shit in the bible just seems made up to me, like shit you would read in a fairytale or a fantasy book.

Don't worry. There's no question in my mind about your intelligence.

[Lost in the Echo]

Don't worry. There's no question in my mind about your intelligence.

Is that sarcasm?
Also, you didn't really post anything that had any correlation to what I said.
You were just being saracastic, and I don't give a fuck what you think about me.

[CharlieFinley]

Is that sarcasm?
Also, you didn't really post anything that had any correlation to what I said.
You were just being saracastic, and I don't give a fuck what you think about me.
It would be unlogical of you to think that was sarcasm. I thought us are become close friends.

[Lost in the Echo]

It would be unlogical of you to think that was sarcasm. I thought us are become close friends.

Oh, I see what you did there.
Mock the one grammatical error I made, and yeah, it's "illogical" and not "unlogical" .
Forgive me for not being a genius or being perfect.

[Jean Poutine]

Mysterious ways.

Seriously it all comes down to how you interpret the bible, and if you run out of reasons in the bible for something, its "mysterious ways".

Or a test.

[FreeFall]

In the Christian religion, if God is as great of a figure as people say he is, than why would he have problems with homosexuality and masturbation and stuff.
Honestly, I think Man has perverted god.
God is good, benevolent, merciful, but you'd better fear him. So if god is all those, you want him on your side and avoid his wrath. Someone, I think, figured out that by scaring people from his wrath, they could have immense power over many things.

Let's say a man of god says "eat da poo poo" is bad and that it angers god. The god loving, god fearing people (typically extremists or like minded folk) panic. An angry god is a scary god and a scary god is going to smite them. So they either agree to clear out those that are homosexual, vilify the homosexuals, pretty much do all they can to make the homosexuals go away to appease their lord.

They say god loves everyone no matter what. So the man of god says this, except of course for those that are homosexual, black, dye their hair, wear different fabrics or get tattoos. So this scares people from evoking god and they vilify, discriminate and "clear out" those god does not love, so god can see that they too do not love those kinds of people.

I think someone has interpreted things too far to work in how they feel about certain things. Who knows, back in that civilization perhaps too many people were too public about their masturbation and someone said "god doesn't like that" and boom, that's how they read it. They found a way to manipulate the love and fear of god to work in their power and change the minds of people, with many lasting stigmas.

[TigerBoy]

Or a test.

And is this "test" well known and documented? Or is it more accurate to say that it's precise nature and purpose are unknown, its very existence is speculative, and thus supporting the concept that the ways of God are indeed "mysterious"?

[Human]

You can't prove that something like that isn't wrong from a theistic standpoint. I believe that homosexuality is not wrong in the eyes of the Lord, but I cannot prove that. You certainly can't prove that it isn't wrong in the eyes of the Lord, either.
And for such an advanced person, you really cannot use the English language correctly.

Ding ding ding! Even when the Hebrews were in the desert, Man and Woman were appropriate only for each other, because -- get this -- they needed to "be fruitful and multiply." Personal happiness didn't matter nearly as much as the survival of the tribe.

Thank you for your post. I shall waste no time in reading it.

I think an essential point many people are confusing is being good with being nice. God is good. He is not nice. He loves us, but he gets tired of our shit very easily. He barbecued Sodom and Gomorrah, yet he forgave us for nailing his son to a tree. He is good. Not nice.
A trait of god is goodness, justice and mercy.

[kenoloor]

A trait of god is goodness, justice and mercy.

You've clearly never read the Old Testament.

[Human]

You've clearly never read the Old Testament.

why would i read the old testament? have you read the entire quran? if not how do you now islam is not the way

[kenoloor]

why would i read the old testament? have you read the entire quran? if not how do you now islam is not the way

You seemed to have missed my point. I was saying that, in the Old Testament, God is anything but good, just, and merciful.

[Human]

You seemed to have missed my point. I was saying that, in the Old Testament, God is anything but good, just, and merciful.

"Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good! His faithful love endures forever." Psalm 136:1

[Jean Poutine]

And is this "test" well known and documented? Or is it more accurate to say that it's precise nature and purpose are unknown, its very existence is speculative, and thus supporting the concept that the ways of God are indeed "mysterious"?

All I said is that religious people either justify their shit with either excuse of "God works in mysterious ways" or "it's a test of faith". That test is obviously not well known, or documented, or possessing any sense whatsoever.

example : orthodox Jews saying that fossils were planted on Earth by Hashem to test the Jews' faith in the Torah.

[CharlieFinley]

A trait of god is goodness, justice and mercy.

What does that have to do with him being nice? Even mercy has a limit.

[TigerBoy]

All I said is that religious people either justify their shit with either excuse of "God works in mysterious ways" or "it's a test of faith". That test is obviously not well known, or documented, or possessing any sense whatsoever.

example : orthodox Jews saying that fossils were planted on Earth by Hashem to test the Jews' faith in the Torah.

Yep I see your point. It wasn't clear what you meant from just three words ;-)

So to summarise:

Agnostic: "why does your god x" = Gnostic: "mysterious ways"
Agnostic:"why does y contradict your explanation?" = Gnostic: "my god is testing my faith"

[kenoloor]

"Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good! His faithful love endures forever." Psalm 136:1

"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'" - Numbers 25:3-4

"And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense." - Numbers 16:32-35

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." - Exodus 12:29-30


"So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men." I Chronicles 21:14

"So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled. - II Chronicles 14:12

"And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." - I Samuel 6:19

Your "all-loving God" seems a little trigger-happy, eh?

[Sugaree]

Your "all-loving God" seems a little trigger-happy, eh?

Only on weekdays.

[Human]

"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'" - Numbers 25:3-4

"And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense." - Numbers 16:32-35

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." - Exodus 12:29-30


"So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men." I Chronicles 21:14

"So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled. - II Chronicles 14:12

"And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." - I Samuel 6:19

Your "all-loving God" seems a little trigger-happy, eh?

your face when i'm atheist and i was quoting a bible passage to prove someone wrong

[kenoloor]

your face when i'm atheist and i was quoting a bible passage to prove someone wrong

I don't care if you're a purple-skinned giraffe. Claiming that "God" is kind and merciful is dumb.

[ayelove100]

In the Christian religion, if God is as great of a figure as people say he is, than why would he have problems with homosexuality and masturbation and stuff.


This is not only in the Christian religion its in Islam and Judaism as well. Why is it a sin to be homo and to masturbate? Why question gods rules. God made them for a reason. If you have true faith in God then you will not question his rules even though I know that I frequently question them but we cannot help it so lets try our best to obey them. And if we don't obey them, then hopefully we will ask for forgiveness and he will accept it.

People used to question, Why is it a sin to have sex before marriage? It turned out it affects your health because STD's and other things. God has rules to protect us and to test us.

If you do a sin just ask for forgiveness and try not to do it again. :)

[kenoloor]

Why question gods rules.

So you never question authority ever?

[ayelove100]

So you never question authority ever?

If you read after that I said I do and all of us do. But I try not to. :)

[kenoloor]

If you read after that I said I do and all of us do. But I try not to. :)

If you try not to question authority, how do you know there's a reason behind the rules?

[ayelove100]

If you try not to question authority, how do you know there's a reason behind the rules?

I swear ur confusing me haha, umm well thats a good point, I dont go around questioning it to eveyone and I obey the rule even if I am not certain with it, and then later on I ask a religous person and they give me the answer and it makes sense.

[kenoloor]

and then later on I ask a religous person and they give me the answer and it makes sense.

So you do question authority...

[ayelove100]

So you do question authority...

Yeah if i am REALLY cuiouse about it. I am just saying I try to minimize it as possible. And that usually there is a reason behind things. I will edit my post if its really bothering u haha.

[kenoloor]

Yeah if i am REALLY cuiouse about it. I am just saying I try to minimize it as possible. And that usually there is a reason behind things. I will edit my post if its really bothering u haha.

No, what's bothering me is that you say one thing, but do another.

You can't know the reason behind authority's rules unless you question it. You purport to minimize questioning authority, yet you say there is always a reason. How do you know there's always a reason, unless you question everything?

[ayelove100]

No, what's bothering me is that you say one thing, but do another.

You can't know the reason behind authority's rules unless you question it. You purport to minimize questioning authority, yet you say there is always a reason. How do you know there's always a reason, unless you question everything?

Mos of the time I just learn them from readings and they come randomly. Other time when I am real curious I ask someone. I will edit it, I was typing fast so sometimes I say things and I dont mean them, but anyways after i said why question i said I DO question.

[kenoloor]

but anyways after i said why question i said I DO question.

Right, so you're contradicting yourself.

[ayelove100]

Right, so you're contradicting yourself.

No Im not cause i said after I do question....

[kenoloor]

No Im not cause i said after I do question....

That's my point.

[ayelove100]

That's my point.

Your point is I admitted I sometimes question?

[kenoloor]

Your point is I admitted I sometimes question?

You're not getting this at all.

[ayelove100]

You're not getting this at all.

I get what u mean, its just u didnt read what i said after it.

[ProudConservative]

People want God out of school, they don't want Him in schools. We don't want Him in the state. Separation of church and state. Then why do we expect his blessings if we, as a general public, if we don't accept Him.

[kenoloor]

People want God out of school, they don't want Him in schools. We don't want Him in the state. Separation of church and state. Then why do we expect his blessings if we, as a general public, if we don't accept Him.

You can accept "God" on your own time. It doesn't need to interfere with education. Religion is a personal thing.

[Sugaree]

People want God out of school, they don't want Him in schools. We don't want Him in the state. Separation of church and state. Then why do we expect his blessings if we, as a general public, if we don't accept Him.

Because religion is a personal thing, not a public thing.

[ProudConservative]

You can accept "God" on your own time. It doesn't need to interfere with education. Religion is a personal thing.

Because religion is a personal thing, not a public thing.

I know this, but it is an explanation to the people who don't believe in God, and ask Christians why this stuff happens.

[Sugaree]

I know this, but it is an explanation to the people who don't believe in God, and ask Christians why this stuff happens.

It's not because we don't allow God in public schools that he doesn't bless us. It's not because we have separation of church and state that he doesn't bless us. He doesn't bless us because he's not there.

[Zman21]

Thats one of my biggest problems with Christianity. People always say that God loves every one of his creations no matter what which I totally agree with and this is one of the reasons I fully believe in God and why I support Christianity. However, when people say being LGBT, or masturbating etc. is wrong, I don't understand them. No where does the bible say this is outright wrong. It is just a matter of the way you interpret the Bible. Also, the laws of the church have changed drastically since the bible was written and there are alot of things in the Bible that the church no longer follows. So by picking and choosing what rules they want to change the church is being entirely unreasonable. Either they have to allow every rule to change and fit the current time period or allow nothing to change and force everyone to follow every rule in the bible. Otherwise they are just being hypocritical pigs. So not only are they picking and choosing rules to change, contradicting the fact that God loves everyone, but they are also discriminating against a large population of the world. And when you think about religion and love, discrimination should never come into the picture

[Jean Poutine]

People want God out of school, they don't want Him in schools. We don't want Him in the state. Separation of church and state. Then why do we expect his blessings if we, as a general public, if we don't accept Him.

Fuck separation of Church and State. It's a dumb, terrible, outdated idea.

[Sugaree]

Fuck separation of Church and State. It's a dumb, terrible, outdated idea.

Would you mind clarifying?

[Jean Poutine]

Would you mind clarifying?

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1993183&postcount=9

[deadpie]

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1993183&postcount=9

So pretty much religion should be controlled by state, given less privileges and more restrictions. You realize you're talking about America, right? I mean some of the stuff you believe I think is really true, but it's just not going to happen man. We're too far right to ever get that way.

[nutjob]

My parents were raised Christains however they are both Agnostic now. They raised me to let me choose my religion, I remember experimenting with Buddhism when I was 10 or 11. But at 12 I was atheist but gradually over time I've become more agnostic.

[Jean Poutine]

So pretty much religion should be controlled by state, given less privileges and more restrictions. You realize you're talking about America, right? I mean some of the stuff you believe I think is really true, but it's just not going to happen man. We're too far right to ever get that way.

Yeah sadly. It's a pipe dream. Maybe in a few hundred years.

[randomnessqueen]

the problem occurs because in christianity sex should only be used for reproduction