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Infidelitas
December 2nd, 2012, 05:35 PM
KEVIN FREKING
December 2, 2012 11:14am
IT is the world's most iconic unit of currency. But the American $1 bill could be headed for the scrapheap.

Congressional auditors say doing away with dollar bills entirely and replacing them with dollar coins could save taxpayers some $4.4 billion over the next 30 years.

Vending machine operators have long championed the use of $1 coins because they don't jam the machines, cutting down on repair costs and lost sales.

But most people don't seem to like carrying them. In the past five years, the US Mint has produced 2.4 billion Presidential $1 coins. Most are stored by the Federal Reserve, and production was suspended about a year ago.

Experts say that while it would be expensive to replace machines, the fact that coins can stay in circulation for up to 30 years, while paper bills only have four to five year lifespans, outweigh the initial costs.

"We've never bitten the bullet to remove the $1 bill as every other Western economy has done,’ said former director of the U.S. Mint Philip Diehl said. "If you did, it would have the same success the Canadians have had."

The latest projection from the Government Accountability Office on the potential savings from switching to dollar coins entirely comes as lawmakers begin exploring new ways for the government to save money by changing the money itself.


Notes versus coins. The Americans may soon follow Australia in swapping dollar notes for coins.

The Mint is preparing a report for Congress showing how changes in the metal content of coins could save money.

The last time the government made major metallurgical changes in U.S. coins was nearly 50 years ago when Congress directed the Mint to remove silver from dimes and quarters and to reduce its content in half dollar coins.

Now, Congress is looking at new changes in response to rising prices for copper and nickel.

At a House subcommittee hearing the focus was on two approaches:

Moving to less expensive combinations of metals like steel, aluminum and zinc.
Gradually taking dollar bills out the economy and replacing them with coins.
The GAO's Lorelei St. James told the House Financial Services panel it would take several years for the benefits of switching from paper bills to dollar coins to catch up with the cost of making the change.

Equipment would have to be bought or overhauled and more coins would have to be produced upfront to replace bills as they are taken out of circulation.

But over the years, the savings would begin to accrue, she said, largely because a $1 coin could stay in circulation for 30 years while paper bills have to be replaced every four or five years on average.

"We continue to believe that replacing the note with a coin is likely to provide a financial benefit to the government,'' said St. James, who added that such a change would work only if the note was completely eliminated and the public educated about the benefits of the switch.

Even the $1 coin's most ardent supporters recognize that they haven't been popular. Philip Diehl, former director of the Mint, said there was a huge demand for the Sacagawea dollar coin when production began in 2001, but as time wore on, people stayed with what they knew best.

"We've never bitten the bullet to remove the $1 bill as every other Western economy has done,'' Diehl said. "If you did, it would have the same success the Canadians have had.''

Beverly Lepine, chief operating officer of the Royal Canadian Mint, said her country loves its "Loonie,'' the nickname for the $1 coin that includes an image of a loon on the back. The switch went over so well that the country also went to a $2 coin called the "Toonie.''

Australia switched to a $1 coin in 1984 and the $2 coin followed four years later.

The Mint's report, which is due in mid-December, will detail the results of nearly 18 months of work exploring a variety of new metal compositions and evaluating test coins for attributes as hardness, resistance to wear, availability of raw materials and costs.


http://tools.themercury.com.au/stories/53807074-world-news.php

Desuetude
December 2nd, 2012, 06:19 PM
I've always found it weird how America had a note for $1. It's less than £1 and you only get coins for that. I think coins will be better in the long run, they should have changed it a long while ago.

UnknownError
December 2nd, 2012, 07:18 PM
About time really. It's all about the environment now and it will save alot. Go metal!!!!!!

havingfun
December 2nd, 2012, 08:18 PM
Whenever I go to the bank, which doesn't happen to often, I always ask them for Dollar coins and $2 bills. They are a lot of fun to spend just to see how people react to them. Try it sometime!

Jess
December 2nd, 2012, 08:57 PM
I've always liked $1 coins...wonder when we'll completely stop using $1 bills :P

Stronger
December 2nd, 2012, 09:03 PM
That's pretty interesting, wonder when this will happen.

disassociation2016
December 2nd, 2012, 10:35 PM
The scheme is just a product of inflation. What cost $1.0 in 1900 would cost $26.60 in 2011.

FreeFall
December 2nd, 2012, 11:46 PM
I always liked those silver dollars. I have a few stashed away from when I was 5 just because no one else seemed to have them. Not sure about the plan in the long run, but it wouldn't hurt as we are now from what it seems to say.

IAMWILL
December 3rd, 2012, 12:29 AM
It makes a lot of sense, but the only reason I don't support it is because personally I abhor change, and I would just lose all my money with 1$ coins.

Maverick
December 3rd, 2012, 12:44 AM
We have trillion dollar deficits, a national debt of $16 trillion, unfunded liabilities exceeding 80 trillion, and all Congressional auditors can think of is saving us a mere 4 billion over 30 years? Please.

Gandalf
December 3rd, 2012, 02:34 AM
We have trillion dollar deficits, a national debt of $16 trillion, unfunded liabilities exceeding 80 trillion, and all Congressional auditors can think of is saving us a mere 4 billion over 30 years? Please.

My response:

Every little helps :P
I couldn't help myself, but surely saving 4 billion is better than saving nohing?


I love our British £1 coin. It's sooo nice :P

DerBear
December 3rd, 2012, 02:38 AM
We have trillion dollar deficits, a national debt of $16 trillion, unfunded liabilities exceeding 80 trillion, and all Congressional auditors can think of is saving us a mere 4 billion over 30 years? Please.

I guess they have been trying to steal the Tesco (UK Chain Store) saying "Every Little Helps.

Anyway, honestly. It wouldn't hurt to remove it. I mean the UK scraped the £1 note and I have to say it was the best thing ever. I don't like carrying £1 notes but a lot of small stores used to give you them out because it was easier when getting floats and what not. I used to go into a store and if they didn't have an £5 notes, I'd get 9 £1 notes. It was pretty darn annoying, I used to wonder if they had actually herd of the £2 coin.

Anyway I am rambling....

Honestly, don't have a problem with seeing this go. I might not live in the USA but, I think it would be one of these changes that is not really significant but a lot of people would like. For some reason I never liked carrying £1 notes so I can sympathize with people who don't like carrying $1 notes.

Mortal Coil
December 3rd, 2012, 07:45 AM
Go metal!!!!!!

but... you listen to punk pop...


I think this is a great thing. It'll improve the economy and save the environment. Win-win.

Maverick
December 3rd, 2012, 07:50 AM
The American government has already rolled out dollar coins before and nobody liked them. In fact most of them were turned in and exchanged. So it wouldn't be something people like because nobody wants to spend $5 and get 4 dollar coins back.

Within 30 years there probably won't be any currency anyway.

huginnmuninn
December 3rd, 2012, 11:40 AM
well if they did do it i know that i would keep a healthy stack of one dollar bills around just so that in 50 years i could pull them out and they might actually be valuable.
Overall i like the idea it would make getting cokes out of a machine a lot easier and you wouldn't have to worry about bills getting messed up

havingfun
December 3rd, 2012, 09:36 PM
We should all start a movement to start spending dollar coins and $2 bills. Imagine when we are like 40 and we can tell our kids that we were the ones that got everybody to accept the use of dollar coins and $2 bills! (assuming that we are not using only plastic by then)

Drew5
December 3rd, 2012, 10:54 PM
The American government has already rolled out dollar coins before and nobody liked them. In fact most of them were turned in and exchanged. So it wouldn't be something people like because nobody wants to spend $5 and get 4 dollar coins back.

Within 30 years there probably won't be any currency anyway.

Getting 4 one dollar coins back would def get annoying.

Abyssal Echo
December 3rd, 2012, 11:01 PM
I've always found it weird how America had a note for $1. It's less than £1 and you only get coins for that. I think coins will be better in the long run, they should have changed it a long while ago.

the U.S has already tried twice (3 times if you count the Silver Dollar) using a one dollar coin it didn't work out to well then. don't know what makes the Goverment think its going to work now.

Iron Man
December 3rd, 2012, 11:10 PM
If they think I'm going to carry around a coin purse and jingle everywhere, they are going to have a bad time.

havingfun
December 8th, 2012, 02:09 PM
Getting 4 one dollar coins back would def get annoying.

IF you got over 75 cents in change it would be no different since quarters weigh about the same

PinkFloyd
December 8th, 2012, 02:23 PM
Correct me if im wrong... but don't you think it would be pretty easy to counterfiet $1 coins? People don't do it with quarters because it's only 25 cents. With a whole dollar coin it's different...

Other than that, I feel good about it.

Mirage
December 8th, 2012, 02:50 PM
Is it a sure thing that this is changing?

Somehow I don't see this working out...

Drew5
December 8th, 2012, 06:54 PM
IF you got over 75 cents in change it would be no different since quarters weigh about the same

So if our change was $4.75 We'd have the 3 quarters and 4 dollar coins.

Coin or paper is fine though it isn't that big of deal one way or the other because we'll get used to it eventually.

Infidelitas
December 8th, 2012, 06:59 PM
People who say "I am not carrying around all this change!", It really isn't that different from carrying around other coins. The system works well for us here..

Correct me if im wrong... but don't you think it would be pretty easy to counterfiet $1 coins? People don't do it with quarters because it's only 25 cents. With a whole dollar coin it's different...

Other than that, I feel good about it.

Coins are a lot harder to counterfeit and they're just not worth the time and effort in doing it. Plus you'd need to make each coin the correct weight etc.. Either way, counterfeiters will stick to paper notes.

Noirtier
December 8th, 2012, 07:23 PM
We have trillion dollar deficits, a national debt of $16 trillion, unfunded liabilities exceeding 80 trillion, and all Congressional auditors can think of is saving us a mere 4 billion over 30 years? Please.

Funny thing is, this was exactly my thoughts when I read this. $4.4 billion is nothing in regards to an economy the size of the US, it really isn't. It wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket. And, as has been said before, they've tried it in the past and no one liked it. What's the logic in saying people will all of a sudden like it now?

PinkFloyd
December 9th, 2012, 12:18 AM
People who say "I am not carrying around all this change!", It really isn't that different from carrying around other coins. The system works well for us here..



Coins are a lot harder to counterfeit and they're just not worth the time and effort in doing it. Plus you'd need to make each coin the correct weight etc.. Either way, counterfeiters will stick to paper notes.

Yeah, i guess that makes sence.

Wonder.
December 9th, 2012, 12:52 AM
I hate coins so much. I never take change with me so I have like seven dollars in change currently sitting in my room. If it changed to only coins, I'd be so pissed. Thin sheets of "paper" is a lot easier to handle and carry and weigh less. Also I work at my mom's store so if I had to count out coins that look like all the rest of the change I would go insane. It just wouldn't work for me.

Drew5
December 12th, 2012, 11:55 PM
IF you got over 75 cents in change it would be no different since quarters weigh about the same

let's say your change is gonna be 4.75 now ya got 4 one dollar coins and 3 quarters instead of 4 one dollar bills and 3 quarters. So instead of 3 quarter size coins, there are 7 if we go to the one dollar coins.

Not a huge deal. Sometimes America is messed up: so much of the world uses metric and we don't. So it won't surprise me if we stick to the paper one dollar bills even though Canada, Europe and I think Australia have updated their coin and dollar currency equivalents.

Infidelitas
December 13th, 2012, 07:16 AM
let's say your change is gonna be 4.75 now ya got 4 one dollar coins and 3 quarters instead of 4 one dollar bills and 3 quarters. So instead of 3 quarter size coins, there are 7 if we go to the one dollar coins.

Not a huge deal. Sometimes America is messed up: so much of the world uses metric and we don't. So it won't surprise me if we stick to the paper one dollar bills even though Canada, Europe and I think Australia have updated their coin and dollar currency equivalents.

Pretty sure Australia has had $1 coins since 1984. We've dealt with it fine.

The joker.
December 13th, 2012, 07:25 AM
I wanted to do this but i wont, i acctualy read it :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8
But still, in europe we only have coins for 1, :p So i dont know what it feels like

HunterSteele
December 13th, 2012, 10:31 AM
If they think I'm going to carry around a coin purse and jingle everywhere, they are going to have a bad time.
Why would they have a bad time? It doesn't matter to them what money you carry.

joeyjorulz
December 14th, 2012, 12:21 AM
It is extremely rare to see a $2 note where I live (WA). I only see a couple per year on change received.

project_icarus
December 18th, 2012, 12:38 AM
If they think I'm going to carry around a coin purse and jingle everywhere, they are going to have a bad time.

There is such thing as a wallet ;)

But honestly, I don't think that there's anything wrong with the US introducing a $1 coin.