Saab is great

[cianmg]

i have read that another member wrote the words saab are crap. to say the least i was disgusted. saab one of the most innovative car company's ever to be called crap.

the person who said this is probly a big fan of GM the murderer of saab. by not only getting rid of them but by giving them crap resources.

saabs suffered from understeer because under limited resources they were told to build eurapean cars with the leftovers from american cars. given a terrible chassis engineering can only get you so far. and they made bloody good cars with what they were given.

so next time you have the urge to say Saab are crap why not tell the truth and say general motors is just one big murderer.

[Boss...]

Saabs has never built great cars, they were never built with any quality, and for inovation they didn't do anything impressive. Their whole orginal plan for even make cars was to keep the company alive after the war. Not to mention their entire marketing plan was "born from a jet" not any of their inovations.

GM did not "murder" Saab you can give that to Spyker, who bought Saab from GM in 2010 and declared Saab bankrupted in 2010. A company called National Electric Vehicle Sweden bought the rights to the name in 2011.

p.s. The reason Saab went under in the first place is no one bought their cars, and theres a reason for that.

[Professional Russian]

just like an apple fanboy except for saab...

[IAMWILL]

Saab went bankrupt because they spent a ridiculous amount of money on reasearch and development, but didn't sell enough cars to recuperate the costs. The cars were extremely safe and in most cases almost completely different from the original cars from vauxhall or whatever they were handed. They had some great cars, but the 9000 was their best. It really was the first run of the mill production car to be turbocharged, even if they were only the 3rd or 4th car maker to turbocharge an engine.

Saab's cars were built with great intention, and you could be sure that you would be safe in one, but they just spent too much money on development. I think if they had done a better job of selling their product they would've been more successful, such as Volvo is.

[mustangboi]

Sabb is Swedish which means it is safe and reliable

[Professional Russian]

Sabb is Swedish which means it is safe and reliable

no. no it doesnt

[PinkFloyd]

I actually like Sabbs. The newer ones are pretty luxurious not to mention safe and affordable. They went under because noone bought there cars. Honestly, as a car buyer, I didnt even think of saab.

[Boss...]

The newer Saabs were just rebadged Subarus.

[cianmg]

the 9-2x was the only re badged saab and was sold exclusively in north america. a chinese buyer was inline to save saab but GENERAL MOTORS withdrew its technology licenses from Saab causing the plan to be cancelled. according to Spyker “GM’s actions had the direct and intended objective of driving Saab Automobile into bankruptcy.

General motors produce cars to make money not for the love and passion of making cars. the only reason why they are still around is because of corruption.

they were a very inventive company who made and desighned cars with a passion. they developed cross wheel drive one of the most advanced four wheel drive systems ever

After the Saab GT 750 was introduced at the New York motor show in 1958 with safety belts fitted as standard, the practice became commonplace

they did much work improving the turbo until the day the ceased operations

if you google saab innovations you get 1,430,000 results so have a look for yourselves

[JackOfClubs]

if you google saab innovations you get 1,430,000 results so have a look for yourselves
And if I Google "VW innovations" I got 1.6 million results. Basing credibility off of a Google web result count is completely and utterly pointless.

Saab went down the drain after GM bought it. Their cars were pretty cool and interesting up until that point. After that they became over-priced and over-hyped. They were no faster, no better handling, and not more reliable than their lower priced competitors.

I will say, however, that the 2010/11 9-5 was a very good looking car.

[Boss...]

General motors produce cars to make money not for the love and passion of making cars. the only reason why they are still around is because of corruption.

they were a very inventive company who made and desighned cars with a passion. they developed cross wheel drive one of the most advanced four wheel drive systems ever

After the Saab GT 750 was introduced at the New York motor show in 1958 with safety belts fitted as standard, the practice became commonplace


Okay, first off if you really think GM is still around just basied on you think they are currupted, and that they don't have a love for even making cars, and there just around to making money. You are dead wrong. If they were just here to make money and not continue to keep the car paaion alive, they wouldn't have any tech departments, no test tracks, no research and development, etc... they would hype their cars up and put no effort into developing the next best thing.

Second, That was a joint effort with Haldex, how basicaly did all the work for them and Saab just paid and tested it for them. I would call that a Haldex invovation and not a Saab one.

Third, Thank you wikipedia. The fact is they did put it on as standard. But they didn't make it common pratice. Most car companies had setbelts as an option all the up until the late 80's. Most american companies had them as an option in every vehicle since the mid 50's.

As for them being a great company, they never where. They never did anything amazing, they never built a good looking car, and they didn't even start with a passion.

[Castle of Glass]

Third, Thank you wikipedia. The fact is they did put it on as standard. But they didn't make it common pratice. Most car companies had setbelts as an option all the up until the late 80's. Most american companies had them as an option in every vehicle since the mid 50's.

As for them being a great company, they never where. They never did anything amazing, they never built a good looking car, and they didn't even start with a passion.

so what if other cars had seat belts. Saab created the triangle seat belt, or the one that nearly all cars come standard with.
Saab was a great company, no matter what you say, because in my opinion it is, but in yours it is not. I think it is a great company because of how reliable the cars are. a "great car company" is not made up of only how good a car looks. it is made up of how well the companies cars preform, how safe they are, and so one. If you want an example of how safe Saabs were, here is one. When Saab created their first WRC(World Rally Car) so they could compete, there chassis was so strong that they did not need a roll bar. the only reason one was installed was due to regulation.
and also they did have passion. but not one that Ferrari, Ford, or nearly any other car company has. their passion was for the safety of the driver and people in the car. not looks, not performance, but safety.

if you don't believe me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jemRabq74WA watch the full episode or at least the full part on their thoughts on Saab

[cianmg]

Okay, As for them being a great company, they never where. They never did anything amazing, they never built a good looking car, and they didn't even start with a passion.

i feel deeply offended by this. and disgusted they made affordable luxuries cars with good pefermance. to say GM have all these departments just to be passionate is entirely untrue. to sell any car successfully you need this.

also VW the largest automotive company in the world and the manufacturer of the Bugatti veyron also manufacturers of many trend setting cars as well as the most effeicent diesel engines ever made.

to say the least for any car lover to dislike and not care about the death of an iconic company says alot. i don't like GM at all i think they killed saab they are only there to produce money and avoided bankruptcy closing them. but i would never say i don't care weather there there or not. they make affordable cars that are good in allot of ways and they also produce jobs.

i wonder why anyone would side with a large company like GM after again i quite “GM’s actions had the direct and intended objective of driving Saab Automobile into bankruptcy. a company thet makes cars for passion and for the love of making cars does not do what GM did.

[cianmg]

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/32118511+w309+h174+cr1+re0+ar0/saab-9-3-griffin-spor-combi.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/which_is_your_favourite_saab_900/8vSaab900Turbo.jpg

and you are telling me there not good looking cars

[cianmg]

yes 920000 miles and still going

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4160760

[JackOfClubs]

yes 920000 miles and still going

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4160760
I seriously doubt that a car owned by someone living on an island smaller than the state of Kentucky did almost 1 million miles in under 10 years. That is damn near impossible. I can almost guarantee you that the owner meant to type 92,000 miles.

[Boss...]

yes 920000 miles and still going

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4160760


That's cute. Here's just one example of GM quality. 1,104,000 miles and still counting.

1970 one owner Camaro with over a milion miles (http://jalopnik.com/398478/woman-drives-1970-camaro-over-one-million-miles-thumbs-nose-at-volvo)

[Greg1994]

I'm getting a 2009 9-3 Aero next month so i won't have to drive our 2012 tahoe anymore... I love the looks of it and from what I've heard, there's not many problems with it.

*Btw I'm not bashing GM with this, I love the tahoe, but my mom needs to drive it in the winter and I'm sure as hell not driving a prius in the winter..

[Infidelitas]

The newer Saabs were just rebadged Subarus.

Where did you get that information?

[IAMWILL]

The idea of Saabs after they were bought by GM was to be rebadged, but the reason they went bankrupt was because they never did that. On the last 9-3 they changed 90% of the car, even the chassis was a different length. The only similar thing was the engine. Like I said before, they never recuperated their costs because they spent so much on R&D and not enough people bought their cars.

And Saabs were definitely built with passion, it was obvious that Saab seriously cared about the safety of their customers. The cars are fucking tanks. All Swedish companies are like that. I have a '95 Volvo 850 and I swear to God its made of solid steel. Its been in like 5 accidents (~350,000 miles on it) and the worst damage there has been was a door dent. Even Koenigsegg's have the strongest monocoques in the world, and those are built to do 270mph.

I think you should watch the Top Gear tribute to Saab, its quite informative.

[cianmg]

I seriously doubt that a car owned by someone living on an island smaller than the state of Kentucky did almost 1 million miles in under 10 years. That is damn near impossible. I can almost guarantee you that the owner meant to type 92,000 miles.

yes the car was most likely imported from the uk due to high vehicle registration tax in ireland and a lack of high quality used cars for sale in ireland. although i doubt it those miles could have been clocked here in ireland as there is a long road network and also there is ferries to france the uk and spain so there is a chance. also i highly doubt it was a mistake and meant to be 92000 miles because then its priced wrong as well.

if this debate continues i might need to take the last option and start telling yous why gm and other american car manufacturers as well as the american drivers are destroying the car.

[Boss...]

Where did you get that information?

You can tell by the body lines and shape of a car. And, I already knew that Subaru built some of their cars for them and badged them as Saabs. GM does this with their standard cars with their SUV and their crossovers, and so does every other manufacture. The Impreza wiki talks about them being Saabs, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Impreza_(second_generation)

[cianmg]

You can tell by the body lines and shape of a car. And, I already knew that Subaru built some of their cars for them and badged them as Saabs. GM does this with their standard cars with their SUV and their crossovers, and so does every other manufacture. The Impreza wiki talks about them being Saabs, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Impreza_(second_generation)

only the 9-2x was a re badged subaru as i said this before. and was of course sold exclusively in the us.

[Boss...]

only the 9-2x was a re badged subaru as i said this before. and was of course sold exclusively in the us.

That might have been the only subaru one, but all the other latemodel Saabs were rebadged GM's, such as the 9-3 with was GMC Epsilon, 9-5 was the Chevy Vectra, 9-4x was the GMC Terrain.

[cianmg]

Ok ethan can you please read the posts. You come on here tell me saab are crap when you have. No clue what you are talking about. Ill outline the story but dont bother posting again unless you watch top gears tribute to saab. I can provide a full link. Tomorrow. Anyway saab was bought by gm in 1998 with the idea they will rebadge opels. Saab were giving the cars to rebadge and changed most of it while gm had there back turned. For example 90% of the 9-3 is diffrent to the base car. As for cars sold and manafactured in. The usa they were just simply diffrent pannels and badges

[Boss...]

Alright, cainmg. I have absolutly no idea what I'm talking about. I don't know why they crashed and sold their half to GM, maybe cause they couldn't sell enough cars. I don't know why they where rebadged GM's. But, what I do know is that you have provided nothing but opinions, and no proof of why they were great.

A car guy hating one of the biggest car manufacturer, just on the basises they "killed" a car company, and not a good one at that. Not mention, GM, is one of the most inovated manufactures through the years and still impressing the car world. And this is coming from a Ford guy.

[cianmg]

ok Ethan i have given clear proof that without saab the motoring world would be different. heres a survey on how passionate drivers are about there cars http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4681571-Study-Saab-drivers-have-10-times-the-passion-of-Volkswagen-drivers

i never said i hate gm they make good products that i would my self consider buying. i dont like how big they are and how they can do such things as getting rid of saab to minimise competition. you need to think of it as ran by the small guys the people who have ambition make cars for the sake of making cars a love for what they do and provide to the world. then some high ranking business men decide to squish them for some extra cents.

i dont like large car companies at all i think they make cars that will sell in masses and not cars that are good. i don't like how bmw sell 1.6 diesels in a sports car made to hold a v8. but then again at this present moment i dont like the car industry i hate the thought of v12s dieing out in are life time and the chance of the v8 going the same way. i dont like how they arent trieing to find a way to solve the death of the internal combustion engine instead just replace it with electricity. this has made me turn my back to the car industry and look at planes instead which are getting bigger and still using oil.

[cianmg]

ok the link isnt working but it was a graph of major car companies and saab at the top. being over ten times more passionate then vw drivers.

[Abyssal Echo]

Saabs has never built great cars, they were never built with any quality, and for inovation they didn't do anything impressive. Their whole orginal plan for even make cars was to keep the company alive after the war. Not to mention their entire marketing plan was "born from a jet" not any of their inovations.

GM did not "murder" Saab you can give that to Spyker, who bought Saab from GM in 2010 and declared Saab bankrupted in 2010. A company called National Electric Vehicle Sweden bought the rights to the name in 2011.

p.s. The reason Saab went under in the first place is no one bought their cars, and theres a reason for that.

I have to agree with ya !

[Wakesetter03]

The newer Saabs were just rebadged Subarus.

You can't be serious? What a joke.

[Dusty112]

Saabs are hideous.

They were designed and built by a bunch of safety freaks that had no idea what the word "exciting" means.

Too expensive (for the boring things they were).

I thank GM for realizing it was a worthless company.

[Dusty112]

Saab's marketing strategy alone was reason enough to get rid of them.

[cianmg]

Saabs are hideous.

They were designed and built by a bunch of safety freaks that had no idea what the word "exciting" means.

Too expensive (for the boring things they were).

I thank GM for realizing it was a worthless company.


im not even going to start complaining about such a pathetic and horrifying comment. that you wish unemployment and peoples dreams to be crushed is what's wrong with the united states of america.

[Alex-R]

Saab never set out to sell. They wanted to build good cars, and damn they did that! its just to build good cars isn't cheap, and todays world is build around money ... hence they went bust.

A massive shame! Luckily, there ought to be just enough second hand saabs to see me through my lifetime :)

[Plane And Simple]

Saabs has never built great cars, they were never built with any quality, and for inovation they didn't do anything impressive. Their whole orginal plan for even make cars was to keep the company alive after the war. Not to mention their entire marketing plan was "born from a jet" not any of their inovations.

GM did not "murder" Saab you can give that to Spyker, who bought Saab from GM in 2010 and declared Saab bankrupted in 2010. A company called National Electric Vehicle Sweden bought the rights to the name in 2011.

p.s. The reason Saab went under in the first place is no one bought their cars, and theres a reason for that.

Saab Is (Was) part of the Saab-Scania Group. saab maybe didn't do too good. But just google Scania (which is a truck brand, BTW) And see the oppinions and the trucks they've sold. If they sell that means it isn't crap.

Saab's marketing strategy alone was reason enough to get rid of them.


Think twice+Get your resources right before posting.

[Boss...]

Saab Is (Was) part of the Saab-Scania Group. saab maybe didn't do too good. But just google Scania (which is a truck brand, BTW) And see the oppinions and the trucks they've sold. If they sell that means it isn't crap.


Saab and Scania were seperated by investors demerging them and selling them apart from each other in 1995. Thats when GM bought out Saab and VW bought out Scania. No doubt they made good trucks, I'm just not to big on foreign trucks.

[Plane And Simple]

Saab and Scania were seperated by investors demerging them and selling them apart from each other in 1995. Thats when GM bought out Saab and VW bought out Scania. No doubt they made good trucks, I'm just not to big on foreign trucks.

That's exactly why Saab Sunk. I don't want to go offtopic :P

[abp1999]

Saab doesn't even exist anymore lol well most are just badge engineered GM cars

[Dusty112]

Saab, even in aviation, wasn't a name worth remembering. The Viggen? The 340? Nobody cares....