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PinkFloyd
November 18th, 2012, 01:02 AM
I know that Cyber bullying is a huge problem and needs to be stopped ASAP but lately kids have been getting EXPELLED school for cyber bullying. Why do they care? it isnt their job. I dont think they should have a say on stuff that doesn't directly affect the school.

There's also drug use. I understand its a big issue with sports and all that but kids smoking pot outside of school that don't do any extra curriculars are getting punished by the school. Again, is it the school's job or the police's job?

ReginaGeorge
November 18th, 2012, 01:08 AM
I agree with you on the second thing, it doesn't affect them at all. But with the cyber bullying, that can be happening during school, from class mates, it could be continued at school, on school resources (sometimes) etc, so it can involve them directly. If it's from a class mate, the victim will have to face them everyday, and that will affect their school life. So I guess in a way, while no, it's not the schools responsibility, it is their business(?)

dingo006
November 18th, 2012, 02:17 AM
I went to a private school so like things might be different there but it seems my school was much more hands off when it came to dealing with conflict. If you were getting bullied you saw the councilor and you could like sit down together and talk it out if it was a real problem but mostly it was all like you have to be vocal and resolve problems and work through stuff on your own and be your own advocate. Sometimes i wished my school took like a harder time (graduated early) on kids who bullied. Mostly tho sometimes the kids who got bullied were being pricks or obnoxious or never played it cool. sometimes stuff gets taken out of context. Drug use is one thing (especially in sports ... maybe not Pot but some of the harder stuff for sure) but when they wont let you talk about an unpopular opinion or argue or exclude someone because you dont like them then its gone too far.

Cicero
November 18th, 2012, 03:24 AM
Some schools even make you add them on FB as a friend, but thats only private schools. Private schools can do a lot more things vs public schools. But I think it's good that they get involved with Cyber Bullying. It only comes to their attention if a student shows the teacher or staff.

Hypers
November 18th, 2012, 04:36 AM
My school is really loose.... Only major events get you expelled, and the school doesnt bother checking your outside life...

I believe schools shouldnt be involved in students' out-school lives. It's their own lives, and the school doesn't really have the power to control what students do outside of the school.

TigerBoy
November 18th, 2012, 06:48 AM
Yes, I certainly think they can be, this is a huge civil liberties and free speech issue. There is a big difference between your individual actions and behaviours in the context of school (or work) and outside that context. Some schools and employers are very aggressive about pursuing their own agendas and silencing all opposing voices.

As social media has highlighted several such issues, I think schools and employers should have absolutely no 'right' to get involved in your out of school activities, socialising etc including facebook, and I strongly believe government should legislate to stop them imposing arbitrary rules to force pupils and staff to add them as friends etc.

The main danger of this that this imposes on your right to freedom of speech and expression. There have been many such attempts to oppress LGBT students by schools by claiming they bring the school into disrepute (especially in the US) but this is very much a two-way street: all sides should be concerned about such abuses.

A horrific example is the school district that had spy software on its laptops and used it to spy on kids in their own bedrooms doing quite private things and without clothes (http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2010/04/19/school-laptop-spying-case-just-keeps-getting-creepier/), and then making creepy comments about the fact. They even used this evidence to suspend one kid for "taking pills" (again, in his own room) which they just assumed were drugs but his mum told them were just sweets. The FBI is now investigating (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/harriton-high-school-spie_n_467491.html) the school district who are also getting their arses sued off. Meanwhile schools have all the power and do what the feck they want until they are called out for it.

And it doesn't stop when you leave school. As an example this week in the UK we had a christian guy making a (polite but uninformed) negative comment about equal marriage on facebook to friends, however his employer decided this was grounds to massively demote him. The employer has now lost the case (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20357131). Even equal marriage campaigners have applauded the Christian guy's win as a victory for free speech.

Worryingly just read that a Texas school is making its students wear tracking chips (http://www.infowars.com/texas-students-revolt-against-mandatory-rfid-tracking-chips/).

Professional Russian
November 18th, 2012, 07:39 AM
Mine is way too involved with my personal life. They added me on Facebook and twitter. They've done that to every student and its a fucking public. Why do they need to know what im found out side of school?

Human
November 18th, 2012, 11:16 AM
Mine is way too involved with my personal life. They added me on Facebook and twitter. They've done that to every student and its a fucking public. Why do they need to know what im found out side of school?

can't you just block them?

TheBigUnit
November 18th, 2012, 11:08 PM
Simply school aides in the development of kids if there's a factor to hamper that the school would want to stop it

TigerBoy
November 19th, 2012, 06:14 AM
Simply school aides in the development of kids
That's the theory - in practice there are plenty of cases where it not only fails in this task but it actively harms kids (specifically for e.g., the treatment of blacks, gays and other minorities).

if there's a factor to hamper that the school would want to stop itIt might "want" to but you are missing the point - should it? Why should schools have any say in your life outside of that school? Your parents have ultimate responsibility for your upbringing and well being, not the school. The state (should) only interfere in very specific circumstances defined by law, and even then local authorities are often found to be over-stepping their authority (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/24/justice/mississippi-civil-rights-lawsuit/index.html) and abusing people's rights.

So if you want a poorly regulated body with a suspect agenda invading and controlling every aspect of your life, you deserve what you get in my view.

FreeFall
November 19th, 2012, 09:09 AM
It pisses me off to be honest. It's very "big brother is watching".

My district was in its stages of that, luckily I graduated before they threw the hammer. There was a cheerleader that was the typical slut teen cheerleader for Halloween, and her costume just happened to be the school colors but was not the same design or mascot at all. She was suspended for "abusing the school pride".

My sister's in middle school, same one I went to, they "have to know" if you've got a twitter, myspace, facebook, youtube, even MapleStory, any type of internet account at all, and they need the link to it. If you're set as private, then you'll constantly be in the principal's office getting a ton of warnings unless you can give them a guest password. Eventually you'll get detentions if you've not made your account public to them. If you say you don't have any, they'll call your parents and ask them to monitor your computer time and see if you're lying. They HAVE to know your cellphone number, if you say you don't have one you need to prove it, and if you don't have texting you need to prove it. They also take your cellphone the minute you walk into class. If you're taking vacation they "have" to know where and why. Because you know you say you could be going to disney world but really you mean you're working as a part-time stripper that beats up your classmates in their sleep.
They say they need to know all that for the safety and well fare of the student body. I'm calling bullshit, they're just everything they can so if anyone commits bullycide they can pull a "but we did allllll thiiisss" card. And this is public school.

They, in my opinion, have no right to treat the students like property of the school that they need to keep tabs on at all times. Facebook shouldn't be part of their agenda, adults shouldn't be forcing kids to feel like they've got to hide in a secret cult for any piece of mind. We still have our right to freedom and privacy and if someone's using facebook as a bully tool, well that fucking sucks I understand that, but they can just as easily be bullied in SubWay, they just have nothing to print out. Drugs and shit I can understand when sports are involved, but the art kids, a good chunk of them were expelled when the Principal saw them in a tagged photo "browsing" one student's facebook. Everyone's just got to know what you're doing, soon you'll have to text your school board when you're taking a crap too.

LouBerry
November 19th, 2012, 09:27 AM
Well, if they are being bullied, that is a serious thing. Maybe it isn't the schools problem, but they do need to protect their students. If I started bullying a girl from school on the internet, and she killed herself, the school would get a lot of hell because they didn't stop it or see what was happening. It doesn't seem like anyone would blame the school, but they will.

As for the drugs, that is illegal. It is a law, in Arkansas at least, that if you get caught with drugs, the school has to take action against you. It doesn't matter if you did the drugs after or before school, it's policy.

TigerBoy
November 19th, 2012, 09:46 AM
Well, if they are being bullied, that is a serious thing.
Agreed.

Maybe it isn't the schools problem,
Unless the internet access occurs using school equipment, then it has nothing to do with the school.


but they do need to protect their students.
only when engaged in school activities. Otherwise it is the job of parents, police etc.


If I started bullying a girl from school on the internet, and she killed herself, the school would get a lot of hell because they didn't stop it or see what was happening. It doesn't seem like anyone would blame the school, but they will.
The school's fear of litigation is not justification for overstepping their authority. If they have have provided suitable support for that student within the context of school activities, they have no case to answer.

As for the drugs, that is illegal. It is a law, in Arkansas at least, that if you get caught with drugs, the school has to take action against you. It doesn't matter if you did the drugs after or before school, it's policy.
Society "has" to take action against criminal activity. It is pretty irrelevant what the school does if you've committed a criminal offence. School does not replace the courts and school rules do not replace the laws of society: on the contrary, society and the courts may choose to use the school disciplinary system. The school system is not a law unto itself, and answers to society (i.e. your parents and other tax payers).

LouBerry
November 19th, 2012, 10:01 AM
With the bullying, maybe you don't see it the same way I do.

Being from a hick-town, in a hick-state like Arkansas, I get a lot of crap about the way I look. You think I wasn't bullied in school? Every day. When I go to town, go see a movie, go on a date, people stare at me and mumble bible verses under their breath. I could really care less about strangers on the street, but the people I grew up with, that hurt. A lot. And my school did nothing. I had to go to the police three times for these two girls in my class. They turned to the school I attended, and were like, "Yo dawg, what's the deal here?" Because I was not protected. Look at the number of suicides. Don't tell me that it's dumb to try and help those people, because bulling should be overly punished.

So, should schools take action against bullying? Hell yes. No ones life outweighs any one else's. If someone gets in trouble for bullying at home, guess what? They probably do it at school to. If not, they are still hurting people, and there is no excuse for it.

If the bully in question thinks its un-fair, maybe he should take it up with the people he's attacked.

And again, with the drugs, it is a FEDERAL policy. If you do drugs, a school does not have to, and should not, keep you at their school. Now, if it was a one time thing, and you got caught outside of school, I'm should that the school would be lenient.

Just to show you that I agree in ways that all this crap is a bit too much,
Last year on Halloween, a classmate and his friends threw toilet paper in our Spanish teachers trees. Well freaked out. A lot. They thought it was so funny that they went back to do it again, and she was waiting for them. They got arrested, sent home with a court date, and then, given ISS (In school suspension) at school. Which was wrong. They are a bunch of hooligans, and I think they deserve the legally punishment coming to them, but getting in trouble at school was dumb.

TigerBoy
November 19th, 2012, 11:50 AM
And my school did nothing. I had to go to the police three times for these two girls in my class. They turned to the school I attended, and were like, "Yo dawg, what's the deal here?" Because I was not protected. Look at the number of suicides. Don't tell me that it's dumb to try and help those people, because bulling should be overly punished.

So the school failed to do the right thing IN SCHOOL? That's terrible. Its proof they can't even cope with what they are supposed to do in a school context, and certainly shouldn't be expanding their role beyond school.

A school choosing to exclude a known drug user is different from a school taking it upon itself to investigate or spy on students outside of school. If they have concerns over suspected drug use occurring outside of school they should raise that with the appropriate authorities (police, social services).

Your other example show the authorities working with the school and using them as a resource - I have no problem with things operating that way round to be honest, the school's involvement in this case seems reasonable seeing as the offence was directly targeting key figures within that community. If there was some other association (the kids were neighbours of the teacher and there was bad blood as a result of events outside of school) that would be a different matter.

LouBerry
November 19th, 2012, 01:42 PM
I agree . I got busted in school a few years ago, because a girl was talking about me on Facebook, and the school monitors the students Facebooks. So dumb.

UnknownError
November 19th, 2012, 05:46 PM
Nothing happens here about them invading your privacy. If you are caught smoking inside the school gates then you're in big trouble but step one inch outside and it's fine. Cyberbullying I'm not too sure what would happen since theres never been a case I've heard about but I do know the school would take it very seriously. I think if a student is being bullied in anyway then the school has the responsibility to do something. If a student was physically bullying another but it was outside school hours, and the school refused to do anything I'm pretty sure alot of you would get mad.

justinglives
November 19th, 2012, 06:14 PM
1). The schools have me (?x) hours a day. After I'm done STAY THE F*&K out of my life!!!
2). If you don't like what somebody is saying about you on a site,and you don't feel like rebutting......you have the option to just not use that site. If ure friends listen to what's being said, get new friends!

Penteract
November 19th, 2012, 06:19 PM
On the cyber bullying aspect, I don't think the school should force students to allow them access to all of their technologically-communicably-what not equipment. The only reason I see fit for the school to butt in on an issue like this is if the cyber bullying is affecting students educationally. That said, it still does not mean to harass students to the point where they know where you are and what you are doing every second of the day, but just to be informed of things such as cyber bullying. But then again, sometimes schools, like parents, try so hard to protect children (including toddlers, teens, etc) that they do everything except what should actually be done. Easier said, they do the all hard-core "I'm gonna have control over everything you do" thing and just do not pay attention to everything else. Instead of forcing people to cooperate, in this case teenagers mainly, try to get them interested themselves. On a serious note, when you are being forced to do something, you'll be willing to cooperate less than if you were interested voluntarily.

That's on the moral issue of cyber bullying, but on the punishment side...What exactly would be solved by expelling the student committing the cyber bullying? The school's role here is to monitor the student and be able to decipher if something is going on or not. If they do discover something's wrong, then they should try to solve it; either by speaking with the parents, police officers, or what the heck not. But expelling the individuals won't at all stop the issue, it might instead aggravate the bullies furthermore to the point where they'd be willing to take it to the next level and bully the individual physically, and not just emotionally.

I've always thought that the best way to solve things is to do it voluntarily, especially with issues like this. Don't go out and try to outright punish individuals who are bullies, either physical or emotional bullies. These people are usually individuals who suffer from things like these or worse themselves (note the usually; don't go kamikaze if you know someone who hasn't and is still one). In any case, if you try to implement force or even enter a thought in their mind that says "punishment" they'll end up taking it out on others with more the reason.

This is an all wide issue that I doubt can be solved easily, because we all have differing views, and in subjects like these; differing experiences and motives. But well, the all-round point of this border-line essay is to say that the schools are not to butt in and harass students, but to try to help the people affected by these issues; as well as the ones causing it. If you just punish the ones causing it; firstly, it probably won't stop the issue, if not make it worse. And on the other side of the conflict, it won't necessarily 'cure' the individuals that were harmed; I say cure in a loosely matter as they could have been harmed emotionally or physically.

In the drugs aspect, once again, as long as the students aren't affected educationally (this also includes socially; in the sense that they affect other students and thus causing educational decrease, etc) then the school has no right whatsoever to butt in. If it's not in their property, so be it. Legally speaking, this is wrong of course, since it'd be logical to try to get the students involved in illegal activity to stop said activities. But hell with it, trying to enforce laws with individuals like these will only make things MUCH worse. So yes, if schools abide by the moral aspect only, things wouldn't end up being so disruptive. Leave it to the parents to deal with things like preventing cyber bullying & drug abuse. Schools only need to be involved when it is AFFECTING them or their other students, not prior.

Relating to what TigerBoy mentioned, it is not the school's responsibility to prevent issues like these, it is only their responsibility to stop them if it affects THEM. To be honest, it's not like they truly care; only handpicked schools go through all this mess for the love of the students. Most of them that do this are mostly interested in having proof that they helped and tried to stop it so that if someone suicides or something of the sort they can go all: "We did our job, it's not our fault, we blame the parents" and all the bullcrap; as mentioned in the above posts.

These are my two cents multiplied by like 30. If you do not agree with something, please don't bite me, this is my opinion on the aspect and I, like all of you, are subject to one equally.

PinkFloyd
November 19th, 2012, 06:31 PM
It pisses me off to be honest. It's very "big brother is watching".

My district was in its stages of that, luckily I graduated before they threw the hammer. There was a cheerleader that was the typical slut teen cheerleader for Halloween, and her costume just happened to be the school colors but was not the same design or mascot at all. She was suspended for "abusing the school pride".

My sister's in middle school, same one I went to, they "have to know" if you've got a twitter, myspace, facebook, youtube, even MapleStory, any type of internet account at all, and they need the link to it. If you're set as private, then you'll constantly be in the principal's office getting a ton of warnings unless you can give them a guest password. Eventually you'll get detentions if you've not made your account public to them. If you say you don't have any, they'll call your parents and ask them to monitor your computer time and see if you're lying. They HAVE to know your cellphone number, if you say you don't have one you need to prove it, and if you don't have texting you need to prove it. They also take your cellphone the minute you walk into class. If you're taking vacation they "have" to know where and why. Because you know you say you could be going to disney world but really you mean you're working as a part-time stripper that beats up your classmates in their sleep.
They say they need to know all that for the safety and well fare of the student body. I'm calling bullshit, they're just everything they can so if anyone commits bullycide they can pull a "but we did allllll thiiisss" card. And this is public school.

They, in my opinion, have no right to treat the students like property of the school that they need to keep tabs on at all times. Facebook shouldn't be part of their agenda, adults shouldn't be forcing kids to feel like they've got to hide in a secret cult for any piece of mind. We still have our right to freedom and privacy and if someone's using facebook as a bully tool, well that fucking sucks I understand that, but they can just as easily be bullied in SubWay, they just have nothing to print out. Drugs and shit I can understand when sports are involved, but the art kids, a good chunk of them were expelled when the Principal saw them in a tagged photo "browsing" one student's facebook. Everyone's just got to know what you're doing, soon you'll have to text your school board when you're taking a crap too.

Well i know a kid that goes to a private school and they tries to do the same thing. They wanted links to his Twiter, Facebook, Youtube, and Tumblr. When he blocked the school they threatened him with suspention. You know what he did next? He shoved a US document that said that they have no right to do that as a non formal care providor. Its in the US constitution! I think your sister should block them and when they tell her to take it off, she should bring up all that democrasy free cityzen stuff. (This is in the us, canada, UK, and the European Union.)

- Rob

Penteract
November 19th, 2012, 06:35 PM
Well i know a kid that goes to a private school and they tries to do the same thing. They wanted links to his Twiter, Facebook, Youtube, and Tumblr. When he blocked the school they threatened him with suspention. You know what he did next? He shoved a US document that said that they have no right to do that as a non formal care providor. Its in the US constitution! I think your sister should block them and when they tell her to take it off, she should bring up all that democrasy free cityzen stuff. (This is in the us, canada, UK, and the European Union.)

- Rob

You have a point. But all these people in the world, in general, try to abuse of the knowledge people have, one way or another.

West Coast Sheriff
November 19th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Cyber bulling should be Definately regulated by schools. No question about it.

But yeah if you want to do drugs outside of school, although its a terrible decision, the school has no say so.

And that's just my opinion.

Sph2015
November 19th, 2012, 06:51 PM
Alright, I need to get it on this. I go to public school in Indiana, and as far as I know there are policies simmilar to the ones I'm about to list throughout the state. Our school has a strict no teacher/student interaction policy when it comes to social networking. That means the school is also not allowed to view our online escapades (unless they aren't gaurded by website security features, in which case it would be the same as us doing something in public, and officials can report it) . However, if a particular situation is brought to the administration by students, they are allowed to step in. A recent example being when a student started posting that our principal was dressed like a slut. It was brought forward by students, and caused a lot of disruption in our schoolday. I feel the kid was in the wrong. He was making our school look bad, disrespecting an official in public (his facebook has no blocks), and frankly offended the entire student body. He ended up being suspended for three days, but I don't think anyone would have cared if he'd been kicked out right then and there. Then there's the issue of illegal drug usage. Everyone at our school consents to random drug tests. Since it's a government institution, I think this is reasonable. Schools can get it trouble for not reporting students for committing crimes, especially drug related. Now, unless you fail a drug test, or have something on you during the schoolday, no action can be taken. I don't know of any school that has any more lenient of a policy. There are laws that deal with these situations (at least in the United States), and it is a school's duty to follow them. I have no problem with my school's policies, and the only ones that I know of who do, have been caught breaking them on many occasions.

Sugaree
November 19th, 2012, 07:01 PM
I know that Cyber bullying is a huge problem and needs to be stopped ASAP but lately kids have been getting EXPELLED school for cyber bullying. Why do they care? it isnt their job. I dont think they should have a say on stuff that doesn't directly affect the school.

I think it directly affects the school when bullied students are not performing to their best abilities. It also affects the school because these bullies become popular and make the school receive a bad name. I would also like to think it affects the school if a kid kills themselves due to bullying. Punishing cyber bullying should be a school matter. If it's a school matter of punishing a bully for beating kids up in the halls, why can't it be understandable to punish kids who abuse their victims online?

There's also drug use. I understand its a big issue with sports and all that but kids smoking pot outside of school that don't do any extra curriculars are getting punished by the school. Again, is it the school's job or the police's job?

I think this is more of a student health issue. Would you want someone with a flu coming to your school and spreading it to everyone? Of course not. If the faculty know about students who do drugs and realize that it can affect the overall health of other students, it's only the right thing to do to punish that student and inform the parents.

The school's only real job is to teach its students and ensure that they have the tools and motivation to be successful in life. However, it also must look after the students, be it from bullying, drugs, or a number of other things.

Penteract
November 19th, 2012, 07:14 PM
Well said.

workingatperfect
November 19th, 2012, 07:21 PM
My old school tried to stay as separate from our personal lives as possible, and I think that's how it should be done, except in certain cases Obvious ones like students being abused or something like that. I also think they should get involved with bullying, but I don't think they should punish the bully for something they did outside of school. In school, sure, but if they're bullying the other student outside of school, the school can't punish them for that, it's not their place.

One of my friend's mom's is a teacher her school and her mom gave her a detention once because she didn't do one of her chores at home. That's how I see the bullying thing. What you do outside of school has nothing to with the school staff and they shouldn't have authority over that. Just my opinion, that's how my school did it, and I think all schools should work that way.

FreeFall
November 19th, 2012, 07:34 PM
Well i know a kid that goes to a private school and they tries to do the same thing. They wanted links to his Twiter, Facebook, Youtube, and Tumblr. When he blocked the school they threatened him with suspention. You know what he did next? He shoved a US document that said that they have no right to do that as a non formal care providor. Its in the US constitution! I think your sister should block them and when they tell her to take it off, she should bring up all that democrasy free cityzen stuff. (This is in the us, canada, UK, and the European Union.)

- Rob
Yes, that's what pisses me off. Parents, pissed off parents that their children feel like they're watched at all time not matter where they go, have threatened it.
The school found a "loophole" with the best interest, well fare, and student safety crap. Apparently the possibility of preventing bullycide by monitoring everything a kid does over rules any right to privacy. My mom's armed and ready to go to court of need be, she knows my sister's accounts and the school calls at least once a week hoping she'll fork her over to them, but she plays lying saying my sister has no media account.

Some parents have legitimate concerns and proof that this extreme monitoring has caused psychological and emotional damage to their children. It's ironic. In trying to save kids from bullying and preventing media harm, they're hurting their own students in suppression and paranoia. The school's inserting themselves too far in. You're a student in their care when you're on school grounds. After that, your private life doesn't include being their student.

TigerBoy
November 19th, 2012, 07:44 PM
I think it directly affects the school when bullied students are not performing to their best abilities. It also affects the school because these bullies become popular and make the school receive a bad name. I would also like to think it affects the school if a kid kills themselves due to bullying. Punishing cyber bullying should be a school matter. If it's a school matter of punishing a bully for beating kids up in the halls, why can't it be understandable to punish kids who abuse their victims online?
This is a non sequitur. Bullying can be an issue in schools, and bullies should be punished. Neither of these facts mean the only solution is that it is the school needs to police the internet or society at large.
You don't have teachers guarding shopping malls or clubs: if kids pick on kids in those contexts it has nothing to do with school and society will deal with it. If there are deep rooted issues that link back to the school community you can still involve the school so that it can address those specific issues.

Schools clearly don't have the resources or the authority to do the job of the police and other agencies. There's no difference with how this needs to be handled online.

In the UK you can report online bullying to the police. They have the legal authority to request data from ISPs and web hosts. They can bring the school in when needed. As has already been said, the school is often complicit or useless, and in these cases bullied kids most certainly need somewhere to turn other than the school. In the UK we also have access to help lines (NSPCC, Childline etc) if kids are worried about contact the police.

Trust
December 16th, 2012, 04:02 PM
Yeah mine is really intrusive
They tell us we will get excluded if we post swear words on fb twit or others is ******* insane OUr teahcers are on facebook in lessons too

ProudConservative
December 17th, 2012, 10:34 PM
Short and simple, yes.

Lost in the Echo
December 17th, 2012, 10:44 PM
I agree with you about the pot thing, but I could see why a kid would be expelled for cyber bullying.
If someone cyber bullies, then it's possible they'll bully others in public school.

So yeah, to a certain extent they should be concerned with students out- of- school- lives, so they can take precautions for the safety of their students, especially because of the cyber bullying thing.

TigerBoy
December 18th, 2012, 05:34 AM
I agree with you about the pot thing, but I could see why a kid would be expelled for cyber bullying.
If someone cyber bullies, then it's possible they'll bully others in public school.


Yes its possible. So that should be investigated to see if it is fact: you don't convict criminals without a police investigation and a judge/jury. Why should schools act arbitarily?

A kid can cyber bully his adult neighbour based on the fact he made a sexual inuendo about his mum - that doesn't seem a case that applies to the school environment to me.

Schools are not the police. The police are the police. If schools need to be involved the police can - and should - get them involved.

Stronk Serb
December 18th, 2012, 08:56 AM
In Serbia, they do not give a rat's ass what you are doing, break someone's nose in the middle of a school's hallway and they will not even file a report against you, you will get 1 penal point (get three, and you are expelled). Of course you can get your lawyer and go to the court and sue them, but most people think they should just let the school sort it out. Be glad that you have good schools like that, here, they will not care if you get almost beaten to death.

TigerBoy
December 18th, 2012, 09:15 AM
In Serbia, they do not give a rat's ass what you are doing, break someone's nose in the middle of a school's hallway and they will not even file a report against you, you will get 1 penal point (get three, and you are expelled). Of course you can get your lawyer and go to the court and sue them, but most people think they should just let the school sort it out. Be glad that you have good schools like that, here, they will not care if you get almost beaten to death.
That is terrible, but it isn't a reason to "be glad."

The view that your school system failing to protect its students does not legitimise another school system exceeding its authority. That would be analogous to claiming there was no comfort zone between freezing to death and burning. Both extremes are harmful.

nice
December 18th, 2012, 05:51 PM
My old school tried to make us all give them out passwords to Facebook and shit. I'm the only one who knows my password so that tells you how that worked out for me and everyone else.