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GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 01:54 AM
I have a lot of friends who are circumcised and they tell me that upon reflection, they went through some stuff that's quite unfortunate. I'll list some:
1) Painful erections during puberty for lack of enough skin for penis to develop, so the skin had to stretch
2) weird baggy skin at the underside base of penis (actually scrotum skin riding up [not natural, directly from circumcision])
3) hairy penis shaft (also not natural, this is public skin and scrotal skin riding up to accomodate lack of skin after)
4) drying out of the penis head and thickening, feels less sensitive
5) gotta use lube for sex and masturbation
6) A SCAR

my parents are wanting me to get this done to myself so I can be like the rest of the guys in my family. After my research, I really really really really don't want to, and I see no reason to! Why would someone choose this, and why would someone choose to do this to their child? D: I am so torn, I love my family, but I love myself more!

Lost in the Echo
November 17th, 2012, 01:59 AM
Well i'm circumcised but out of the things you listed that your friends said, the only one true for me is the less sensitivity part. but everyone is different.

The way you put it, I assume you're uncut, so if you want to remain that way, then you should. It's your body.

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 02:02 AM
I definitely want to, and I want to educate my parents about being natural/intact as opposed to cut. There is no reason to do it and I hear there can be a lot of psychological or emotional problems that can come after it. :X Also, I found another member's thread about him being approached to get it done by his parents and it freaked me out. It's so similar to what I am going through D: I just don't understand why parents don't want us guys to be as we were born!

WWFDCorrie
November 17th, 2012, 02:05 AM
i've been circumcised since i was born. Never had any of those issues; but i guess its harder for me to say because i've never experienced being uncircumcised.

Abyssal Echo
November 17th, 2012, 02:13 AM
I have a lot of friends who are circumcised and they tell me that upon reflection, they went through some stuff that's quite unfortunate. I'll list some:
1) Painful erections during puberty for lack of enough skin for penis to develop, so the skin had to stretch
2) weird baggy skin at the underside base of penis (actually scrotum skin riding up [not natural, directly from circumcision])
3) hairy penis shaft (also not natural, this is public skin and scrotal skin riding up to accomodate lack of skin after)
4) drying out of the penis head and thickening, feels less sensitive
5) gotta use lube for sex and masturbation
6) A SCAR

my parents are wanting me to get this done to myself so I can be like the rest of the guys in my family. After my research, I really really really really don't want to, and I see no reason to! Why would someone choose this, and why would someone choose to do this to their child? D: I am so torn, I love my family, but I love myself more!

forget what your family wants. Because you are the one that has to both live with and be happy with yourself. If you really don't want to be circumsised then don't do it

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 02:18 AM
I'm really on the edge of absolutely saying no. Then I read that other kid's thread D: I want to tell him about my research and hope to save him the discomfort and possible long term issues that can come from it. :X I read that in the long run, the head of the penis gets thicker and thicker with skin and you can barely feel it at around 40 or so, and then you can get erections or get off D:

Jabbawocke
November 17th, 2012, 02:20 AM
Im circumsied... No problem lol. Besides if I were a girl id prefer cut to uncut, beacuse being uncut can be dirty (pee will solidify inside and it cant be quite tedious)

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 02:22 AM
Actually, urine is sterile and cleans out the foreskin. That's how in infancy, it stays clean. It rushes through the foreskin and removes any debris in there. Infants get infections when parents try and pull it back ahead of time and rip the foreskin from the head making it an open wound. Common misconception though.

Backflipboy
November 17th, 2012, 02:45 AM
I am circumcised, and if I hadn't been the chances are my penis wouldn't work today. Out of the things you listed the only thing that I have is the dry head, which I rather prefer anyway. I can't talk about sensitivity because I have been cut since I was seven, and never used it sexually before I was twelve. I agree that it should only be done for medical reasons, it is just as clean as uncut and I strongly disagree with doing it at birth. Only do it if you need it, it's pointless pain and suffering otherwise. Although the people who publicize hate crime of circumcision really annoy me because it can be necessary in certain circumstances -it saved my penis after all.

Ryhanna
November 17th, 2012, 02:46 AM
I'm circumcised, and it's not actually that bad. I suppose there's decreased sensitivity, but I can't really go into detail with that because I've never experienced sensation with foreskin.

If you don't want to do it, then don't. It's your body, so ultimately it's your decision. :)

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 02:46 AM
If you don't mind me asking, what was wrong with your penis? D:

@holyhooker the sensation thing.....there are remedies. There's restoration (which takes years apparently) or sensislip. It's a silk sleeve you put over the penis and keep it on when not urinating or showering or masturbating or during sex, and it over times helps to regain that sensitivity. THOUGH.....you wont want to take it off. :X if you do then your sensitive head will run against the pants a lot and get irritated, much like it did during early infancy following circumcision.

Backflipboy
November 17th, 2012, 02:52 AM
I had a ridiculously tight foreskin that was beyond help, it was my only option. If it was left then I wouldn't even be able to pee from it and it would have been removed. Now surely a circumcised penis is better than no penis! Haha!

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 02:56 AM
o-o Damn! They didn't try stretches and steroid cream? There are methods to cure even really tight foreskins

Backflipboy
November 17th, 2012, 02:59 AM
I didn't have time to, I went to hospital in an ambulance because it was too late. I couldn't pee and went downstairs to tell my mum, she phoned an ambulance to take me to hospital. I had no choice because of how late in this I was, my foreskin was tightening without me even realising. If I had noticed earlier then I could've used the steroid creams.

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 03:03 AM
That's really really unfortunate and it absolutely sucks! :l Are you interested in restoration? Non surgical yields better results that surgical (no scarring, more natural look) you get head sensitivity back and natural lubrication, and gliding action as there is more skin (as was intended) and the foreskin won't ever become tight like that again as several muscle structures aren't present. :D I hear and see the results are awesome!

Ryhanna
November 17th, 2012, 03:08 AM
If you don't mind me asking, what was wrong with your penis? D:

@holyhooker the sensation thing.....there are remedies. There's restoration (which takes years apparently) or sensislip. It's a silk sleeve you put over the penis and keep it on when not urinating or showering or masturbating or during sex, and it over times helps to regain that sensitivity. THOUGH.....you wont want to take it off. :X if you do then your sensitive head will run against the pants a lot and get irritated, much like it did during early infancy following circumcision.

Sensislip sounds... Interesting. I wonder how that works. I'd assume that any kind of sleeve that goes over the penis would decrease sensitivity further?

I also had to be circumcised when I was 6 for medical reasons. I don't know exactly what was wrong because I've never asked anyone. I've been fine since the surgery, though. Honestly, it doesn't affect your life nearly as much as you might think. I'm not trying to persuade you to get circumcised, though. I'm just saying. :P

Backflipboy
November 17th, 2012, 03:08 AM
I'm really not that interested in it to be honest, I am happy with how it is. If I was that bothered then I would do it but I don't have any problem with how it is. I don't feel as if I am missing out on anything, I've been sexually active with those who have foreskin and it's nothing special in my opinion. I feel it is literally the same to be honest!

Pipo
November 17th, 2012, 03:11 AM
well I wouldn't wonder if you lose some sensitive when you're getting circumcised.

Foreskin apparently has 20.000 nerve endings and image when that is cut off?

compare to that to clitoris it has only 8000 nerve endings.

if I were you I'd stay as uncut there's nothing wrong with that and it's natural. Getting cut is some short of mainstream today or something it's done a lot for no reason in my eyes. I don't mind if people do it for medical reasons cus obviously that's the only way to fix it then. But for no reason at all that's just stupid from the parents.

At least wait for your kid to be 18 and let him decide then does he want to stay as uncut or be cut like "everyone" else.

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 03:12 AM
You don't wear the sleeve during activities with the penis. It protects it against the outside world. Did you know that the head of the penis is technically an internal organ. o-o It's not meant to be exposed, and that is why it builds up keratin over decades, and in many decades from now, you (like many men) will probably be unable to feel sexual sensation in your penis, not be able to get erections or ejaculate? Yeah....that happens. :X I've heard restoration prevents that and actually cures that in men who are experiencing it.

@Pipo i'm inclined to agree.

Backflipboy
November 17th, 2012, 03:13 AM
If it gets to that level then I will seriously consider it, but it is fine right now and I don't need the hassle to be honest! I would never have asked to be circumcised but because I am, it isn't something I have a problem with. The only time I will be unhappy with it is if it begins to cause me problems.

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 03:16 AM
Which is only natural as you are 16 and have only been around (whilst cut) for 9 years. Knowledge is power! If ever you do run into this problem, there are solutions and I am sure the medical field will catch on eventually and more knowledge will be readily available. best of luck! And thanks for the input

Pipo
November 17th, 2012, 03:19 AM
watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4p9O3HSpaY

she has good points about it but think about it yourself and look the the links.

Ryhanna
November 17th, 2012, 03:20 AM
You don't wear the sleeve during activities with the penis. It protects it against the outside world. Did you know that the head of the penis is technically an internal organ. o-o It's not meant to be exposed, and that is why it builds up keratin over decades, and in many decades from now, you (like many men) will probably be unable to feel sexual sensation in your penis, not be able to get erections or ejaculate? Yeah....that happens. :X I've heard restoration prevents that and actually cures that in men who are experiencing it.

@Pipo i'm inclined to agree.

:eek: I'd much rather cut my whole penis off.

Backflipboy
November 17th, 2012, 03:22 AM
Which is only natural as you are 16 and have only been around (whilst cut) for 9 years. Knowledge is power! If ever you do run into this problem, there are solutions and I am sure the medical field will catch on eventually and more knowledge will be readily available. best of luck! And thanks for the input

Thanks for your help and concern man, if it does become troublesome I will be definitely following your advice!

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 03:23 AM
Rather cut it off than?? Not be able to get erect and ejaculate?

@Pipo I saw that video during my research. :] I like that girl! So educated! Brings hope to our generation.

@Backflipboy
I would suggest looking into it sooner (if you want) because in youth, skin elasticity and rejuvenation help the restoration process pass quicker, where as in elder years, it takes far longer. :X Any questions more, just pm me.

Backflipboy
November 17th, 2012, 03:34 AM
Thanks man, I am interested now - is it a surgical operation or stretch-based?

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 03:37 AM
It actually isn't stretching. ;] It's applying tension to the skin of the shaft and it makes it grow over time. The same with gauging one's ears. You think it's stretching, but if it were, the ear lobes around the ear jewelry would get thinner, and thinner, and thinner over time, but they don't they remain constant! Same with people who gain loads of weight and keep it for years! After they loose a lot of weight, their skin is baggy, it's because they gained a ton of weight, stretched the skin and new skin grew in and filled it all in.

Ryhanna
November 17th, 2012, 03:37 AM
Rather cut it off than?? Not be able to get erect and ejaculate?


Yeah, I bolded that part. :yes:

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 03:39 AM
Restoration man, restoration! I know a few really old guys like 40-60 years old who did it and got sooo much sensation back, even more than they had while they were young! It's all about the glans man, when that gets moisturized and the thick skin thins back out (and there's peeling involved :P like a sun burn) all that comes back, and the gliding and lube that comes with the foreskin do too!

Backflipboy
November 17th, 2012, 03:48 AM
I am really becoming interested, how long does it usually take and what are my limitations? I am seeing a lot of different information online.

Ryhanna
November 17th, 2012, 03:55 AM
I am really becoming interested, how long does it usually take and what are my limitations? I am seeing a lot of different information online.
Me too. There seem to be a lot of different methods and opinions, it's a little confusing.

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 03:56 AM
Yes. I made a typo though but posted a second to correct it. They're on your public profile :P

@Holy feel free to add me on here or skype and I can further explain!!! my skype: Do not post contact information. -StoppingTime

NSoKShannon
November 17th, 2012, 08:30 AM
If you want to be uncut, then you should have a right to do so.

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 03:48 PM
Damn that's unfortunate! :L Get up to 100 posts and pm me and I can explain some restoration methods to you!
And I see you're a brony > u> me too!

Luke91
November 17th, 2012, 09:37 PM
I chose to get circumcised when I was 13. I have absolutely none of the so called problems you listed. I could go on and on why I like not having a foreskin. For me there is no doubt I like everything about being circumcised.

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 09:40 PM
I am glad you are satisfied with your decision. I sincerely hope that later on your sensation isn't reduced and your glans doesn't become hard, thick dried out. If ever that is the case, there are remedies.

Polo2847
November 17th, 2012, 10:09 PM
It is YOUR decision, YOUR body, YOUR choice, and YOUR body.

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I'm a happy 4skin owner!

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 17th, 2012, 10:25 PM
Thanks for the input!

kuuliluuk
November 26th, 2012, 06:06 PM
To start, I was circumcised at age 14. I was put to sleep, so I do not remember anything about the procedure. I have read a LOT of material about circumcision afterwards. (I was circumcised because of medical reasons)

First and most important - If you do not want to get circumcised and you have no medical reasons, just do not get it done! It is your right! Nobody has right to modify your body against your will!

Everything you describe below is a result of butched circumcision of a newborn. Newborns penis is so small and difficult to operate. Doctors usually do not care much about precision as penis owner will get used to their weird penises before they can talk even. With me it was totally different case, as doc explained me about my few options and was much more careful.
I have a lot of friends who are circumcised and they tell me that upon reflection, they went through some stuff that's quite unfortunate. I'll list some:
1) Painful erections during puberty for lack of enough skin for penis to develop, so the skin had to stretch
2) weird baggy skin at the underside base of penis (actually scrotum skin riding up [not natural, directly from circumcision])
3) hairy penis shaft (also not natural, this is public skin and scrotal skin riding up to accomodate lack of skin after)
4) drying out of the penis head and thickening, feels less sensitive
5) gotta use lube for sex and masturbation
6) A SCAR


1) My circumcision is pretty tight. I had few painful erections during healing, that was it. My penis was still growing there were no complications with too short skin. Skin grows too. For erection to be painful it must be almost no shaft skin left! And thats a criminal case against the doc who did circ! That must be repaired!
2) Baggy skin underside is usually caused not by true circumcision but by "dorsal slit" no foreskin is actually removed. And all the foreskin gathers under penis in not so nice way. Philipinos practice that. Or it must be truly butched circumcision.
3) Hairy penis shaft is caused again by abnormal circumcision scar placement or too little shaft skin left. Again doc was careless about your penis. Thats criminal!
4) Less sensitivity, that is true if nothing covers your glans. I for example do not care much, as I can reach an orgasm in one minute even without foreskin. Orgasm happens actually in your brain not in your penis. So it is no big deal for me. Though sometimes I miss playing with my foreskin I used to do before.
5) Lube is not mandatory! I usually masturbate without lube. Lube is messy but makes it feel different. Reaching orgasm is faster with lube. But anyway, whats the point, I can do that without lube in a minute.
For sex, if girl is wet, you won't need any lube. And if her vagina is dry, lube helps even if you have foreskin.
6) Scar might look uneven, to big - ugly. But that is again a result of botched circumcision. My scar is right under the glans, It is thin and hardly visible. There were some 20 stiches in there to make sure it will remain as small as possible. Babies just can not have that many due to size.

And circumcision does not cause impotence.

xMr.CoolGuyx
November 26th, 2012, 06:32 PM
If you don' want to don't. Don't do anything you don't want to. I guess the family tradition is just going to have to end.

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 26th, 2012, 06:34 PM
Not immediately and it's not a 100% thing. The thickening of the skin makes it harder to feel anything and over the decades, it will eventually reach a point where you can feel next to nothing and won't be able to bring yourself to climax. I've met men on a forum about restoration who are 60 (or there about), couldn't get an erection or ejaculate for the life of them, but after restoring and going through dekeratinization, they were able to do all that and perform as they could in early adulthood. Thank you for your input. Also, when I say loose baggy skin, I'm referring to at the base of the shaft where the scrotum connects to the shaft with a webbed structure that isn't naturally occurring but comes about because of insufficient skin left after the circumcision. I've seen penises with this. :X

PrimedPenguin
November 26th, 2012, 07:54 PM
I've never experienced any of the things listed above besides the desensitize in the head. Then again I was cut at what ever the minimum age is so I have nothing to compare it to.

neo33
November 26th, 2012, 09:57 PM
I have a lot of friends who are circumcised and they tell me that upon reflection, they went through some stuff that's quite unfortunate. I'll list some:
1) Painful erections during puberty for lack of enough skin for penis to develop, so the skin had to stretch
2) weird baggy skin at the underside base of penis (actually scrotum skin riding up [not natural, directly from circumcision])
3) hairy penis shaft (also not natural, this is public skin and scrotal skin riding up to accomodate lack of skin after)
4) drying out of the penis head and thickening, feels less sensitive
5) gotta use lube for sex and masturbation
6) A SCAR

my parents are wanting me to get this done to myself so I can be like the rest of the guys in my family. After my research, I really really really really don't want to, and I see no reason to! Why would someone choose this, and why would someone choose to do this to their child? D: I am so torn, I love my family, but I love myself more!
Ok so I understand the family part, it's your body, you don't have to do it if you don't want to. I am cut, and I have never had any problems what so ever...I think your friends were lying to you or exaggerated xD
1) I get boners like crazy and never are they painful. The only time they are painful is if you get cut at a later age (like now)
2) Baggy skin..? Never heard of it or have it.
3) I have hair close to my penis but not really ON my penis. The skin is a little bit wrinkled where my scrotum meets my penis, but not really noticeable!
4) I don't really know what you mean by drying out but I am pretty sure my penis still feels stuff :P
5) Out of the...340 times I have masturbated, I have used lube ONCE. I tried it and didn't like it.
6) The "SCAR" is just a little line around the penis in the middle and goes up at the back. Not really noticeable unless you are really checking it out.

Sorry if I came across rude, I just thought that some of the stuff your friends said seemed a bit ridiculous haha. So I think a good part of being circumcised is that in my opinion, it defiantly looks better. In lots of porn-os, I have seen uncut penises, and tbh, it looked disgusting. But to each his own. In the end it is your choice. Sorry I know this is a long comment but I will also give some pros and cons.
Pros of being Cut:
~Easier to clean.
~IMO actually more feeling than in uncut, because there is more room around the head which is more sensitive, which helps in masturbation.
~I think it looks better
Cons of being Cut:
~Um I really can't think of any except that if you get the surgery now, then it will hurt when you get boners for a while.
So just make the decision that you think is right.
Hope I helped!

Nayef
November 26th, 2012, 11:10 PM
I have to agree with neo33 i got cut just after birth and i never had any of this negative efects and from where i come all are circumcised and never hear any one complained about such effects . But then maybe its different when you get cut in later stage of life !

HahaWaitWhat
November 27th, 2012, 03:36 AM
I'd say the only problem I have is the hair. Other than that, no scar or sensitivity issues.

Burn007
November 27th, 2012, 04:43 AM
I support not being circumised....It feels better,and feeling is the same...And plus i guess it feels better in your pants ^^....I couldnt imagine being circumised now :P....Tell them politely u do not want to and u dont care that everyone is like that....

niceguy887
November 27th, 2012, 06:13 AM
Just don't be like some people and actually stand up to your parents if YOU don't want it done. If you want it done, that's another issue. It's your body and your right to choose. I'm uncut and could not imagine life any other way. At the very least, I cannot fathom getting circumcised as a teen. Especially knowing what a foreskin is for and what it can do.

Knowlege is power, experience is everything.

crumbs
November 27th, 2012, 07:18 AM
Which is sadly why most parents do it when they're young, so they don't get a chance to experience how much better sex life is when you're uncut. shame :(

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 27th, 2012, 09:18 AM
Which is sadly why most parents do it when they're young, so they don't get a chance to experience how much better sex life is when you're uncut. shame :(

Exactly.

@Neo those are definitely not exaggerated or false. I'm comfortable with my body and so are they and I have seen many of my friends naked at the pool or gym. I asked them, for my research, to point out what they said and they did. There are websites chock full of circumcision damage photos that back up all I have said. Google "circumcision damage."

kuuliluuk
November 27th, 2012, 01:19 PM
That circumcision damage happens exactly because of careless docs perform newborn circumcision as quick as possible. To earn few easy bucks. That must be stopped!

But that a 60 yo impotent man becomes a horny teenager after foreskin restoration sounds exaggerated.
First, no nerves in foreskin can be restored. After nerve endings were cut off, they are gone for ever. Before circumcision I was able to masturbate to orgasm just rubbing my foreskin tip. That is now gone. And nothing would replace it. Stretched skin will never have that feeling.
Second, since age 30 if I am correct testosterone levels start to get lower in men. Also sex drive and ability to perform sexually gets lower accordingly. It is natural process not keratinization. I can tell that my glans keratinized in about one year.
Still there is a point, dekeratinized penis head is more sensitive (but never as sensitive as uncircumcised system) and that could help to reach an orgasm. Again, orgasm happens in brain. If brain is not stimultade enough, there will be no orgasm. And it is not only mechanical senses from penis that lead to orgasm. One needs sex drive and to get sexually excited before. You see, you could get hard out of simple thought and you could get hard just by touching penis. (usually touching penis invoke sexual thoughts anyway)

Anyway, do what you think is right for you, I will support you in that any time. But I like my circumcision :)

GuillaumeBordeaux
November 27th, 2012, 02:12 PM
That circumcision damage happens exactly because of careless docs perform newborn circumcision as quick as possible. To earn few easy bucks. That must be stopped!

But that a 60 yo impotent man becomes a horny teenager after foreskin restoration sounds exaggerated.
First, no nerves in foreskin can be restored. After nerve endings were cut off, they are gone for ever. Before circumcision I was able to masturbate to orgasm just rubbing my foreskin tip. That is now gone. And nothing would replace it. Stretched skin will never have that feeling.
Second, since age 30 if I am correct testosterone levels start to get lower in men. Also sex drive and ability to perform sexually gets lower accordingly. It is natural process not keratinization. I can tell that my glans keratinized in about one year.
Still there is a point, dekeratinized penis head is more sensitive (but never as sensitive as uncircumcised system) and that could help to reach an orgasm. Again, orgasm happens in brain. If brain is not stimultade enough, there will be no orgasm. And it is not only mechanical senses from penis that lead to orgasm. One needs sex drive and to get sexually excited before. You see, you could get hard out of simple thought and you could get hard just by touching penis. (usually touching penis invoke sexual thoughts anyway)

Anyway, do what you think is right for you, I will support you in that any time. But I like my circumcision :)



That's cool. I never said anything about restoring the lost nerves, that would be impossible. What restoring does is give you the tube of skin, one similar (if a little thicker, and there are comparison videos and images floating around on the web) it gives you the full range of gliding function, dekeratinizes the head and keeps it moisturized and covered like it's always meant to be. Also, why is everyone saying I am exaggerating? I've had the conversations with these men, it is their personal experiences.

One last thing, unconsented circumcision should be stopped. A child should be able to decide for themselves, all children. Simply saying that you like yours doesn't warrant the necessity or reason to cut any child who may want to grow up whole. People do it because infants and young children can't NOT consent.

niceguy887
November 27th, 2012, 04:13 PM
That's cool. I never said anything about restoring the lost nerves, that would be impossible. What restoring does is give you the tube of skin, one similar (if a little thicker, and there are comparison videos and images floating around on the web) it gives you the full range of gliding function, dekeratinizes the head and keeps it moisturized and covered like it's always meant to be. Also, why is everyone saying I am exaggerating? I've had the conversations with these men, it is their personal experiences.

One last thing, unconsented circumcision should be stopped. A child should be able to decide for themselves, all children. Simply saying that you like yours doesn't warrant the necessity or reason to cut any child who may want to grow up whole. People do it because infants and young children can't NOT consent.

Amen.

ImCoolBeans
November 27th, 2012, 08:59 PM
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