Democracy (split from John Kerry thread)

[Hyper]

well honestly, none of our opinions matter, but... The guy was trying to spill some top secret information which i believe to be true ( george bush actually losing the past election with John Kerry) was arrested by police. That was wrong. Seems like the USA is slowly loosing that thing we call democracy and freedom of speech, could be slowly on its way to facism. As for the guy, since it was in the States he probably shouldve just accepted the arrest and tried for legal action afterwards, since sueing in the United States is much easier and common then anywhere else in the world. So the cops messed up first, then the guy messed up second. They are both wrong.

Democracy? Freedom speech.. Wow open your eyes.. Those things never existed

[Whisper]

not in America anyway

[Hyper]

not in America anyway

Not in anywhere with a government for that matter.. Or other people.

[Maverick]

Compared to most governments especially hostile ones I'd say we have a lot of leeway with what we can say. Freedom of speech obviously has its limits but don't fabricate that the average person is hugely limited on what he/she can say. You guy aren't even American.

[Hyper]

Compared to most governments especially hostile ones I'd say we have a lot of leeway with what we can say. Freedom of speech obviously has its limits but don't fabricate that the average person is hugely limited on what he/she can say. You guy aren't even American.

Lol.. I am talking about the entire ''democratic'' world..

Democracy is a brilliant system of abusing the peoples stupididy.. So it works amazingly well, considering it creates an illusion to the people, that they have some kind of voice..

The only time they have a voice is if their possible actions could threaten some big shots wallet severely

[Maverick]

Democracy is a brilliant system of abusing the peoples stupididy.. So it works amazingly well, considering it creates an illusion to the people, that they have some kind of voice..
Of course the passive average Joe isn't going to make a huge difference and if you want change it takes a lot of work, rally, and support to make yourself and your cause extraordinary. All throughout history you see people you read about in your history classes make huge differences and democracy allows the potential for that to happen. It's not easy but possible.

[Hyper]

Of course the passive average Joe isn't going to make a huge difference and if you want change it takes a lot of work, rally, and support to make yourself and your cause extraordinary. All throughout history you see people you read about in your history classes make huge differences and democracy allows the potential for that to happen. It's not easy but possible.

Bring me an example when something was TRUELY won for the people and ONLY for the people.. For humanity maybe.. I am sure it has happened but when and where?

It has never happened in my home country in my lifetime..

[Prince Jellyfish]

Bring me an example when something was TRUELY won for the people and ONLY for the people.. For humanity maybe.. I am sure it has happened but when and where?

It has never happened in my home country in my lifetime..

Pretty much any rebellion against an oppressive government. (the successful ones, at least)

[Hyper]

Pretty much any rebellion against an oppressive government. (the successful ones, at least)

Can you provide a specific example

And what is an oppressive government to you?

[Prince Jellyfish]

American Revolution, French Revolution, small scale peasant rebellions of the Middle Ages, Sparticus' slave rebellion (failed but w/e), Russian Revolution (led to communism, however), and the original Star Wars trilogy.

Before I define what an "oppressive government" I would first like you to specify your criteria for something that "was [sic]TRUELY won for the people and ONLY for the people."

[Hyper]

American Revolution, French Revolution, small scale peasant rebellions of the Middle Ages, Sparticus' slave rebellion (failed but w/e), Russian Revolution (led to communism, however), and the original Star Wars trilogy.

Before I define what an "oppressive government" I would first like you to specify your criteria for something that "was [sic]TRUELY won for the people and ONLY for the people."

Ahh alright lets say in the form of revolution..

More than 75% of the government actually works in a basis of whats better for the people and not for their wallets.

[Prince Jellyfish]

Oh, well when you put it like that then I can't help but say that I agree.

[Whisper]

the problem with most modern first world countries isn't that there no longer free or democratic its that the people take those rights and liberty's for granted and for the most part dont use them
there content to mindlessly follow and do what there told

If you toss a frog into boiling water it naturally will fight and jump out instantly
If however you toss it into cold water and slowly raise the temp it will sit there happliy while it boils to death

allot of people are refusing to use there rights
and those that due are seen as fanatics and traitors by the people

[Hyper]

the problem with most modern first world countries isn't that there no longer free or democratic its that the people take those rights and liberty's for granted and for the most part dont use them
there content to mindlessly follow and do what there told

If you toss a frog into boiling water it naturally will fight and jump out instantly
If however you toss it into cold water and slowly raise the temp it will sit there happliy while it boils to death

allot of people are refusing to use there rights
and those that due are seen as fanatics and traitors by the people

Yes, people just quietly suffer, or praise those who are actually destroying their country

[Prince Jellyfish]

Regardless of all that, I believe the process is cyclical. Governments rise to power, become corrupt, and are overthrown. The new leadership, which was established in opposition of a system that abused its citizens, takes over and grows. Sadly, this one too will eventually corrupt. It's a system of revolutions. Sunrise, sunset.

[Hyper]

Regardless of all that, I believe the process is cyclical. Governments rise to power, become corrupt, and are overthrown. The new leadership, which was established in opposition of a system that abused its citizens, takes over and grows. Sadly, this one too will eventually corrupt. It's a system of revolutions. Sunrise, sunset.


Most governments are already corrupt before even coming to power.. I know that by my own country..