Removing minus rep

[Human]

It would be a good idea to remove minus rep. A very popular tech website/forum I go on did it, and with great results. It's really annoying when people abuse the rep system.
At the very least make it so you can see the name of who gives rep.

just an idea ;p

[nice]

I don't think it should be removed but you should be able to see who gave it to you

[Jess]

Being able to see who gave it to you will cause problems....that's why it's unknown unless the rep is signed. Ex., you use User A gave you a neg rep, so you retaliate.

[IAMWILL]

Staff can see who repped them regardless of if it is positive or negative or if it signed. Should all of VT have it? No. But people who neg rep should at least have the balls to sign, if you are going to neg rep someone you should have a reason that you are willing to defend on why you chose to do so.

[Professional Russian]

I quote the late great Genghis Khan "Not signing your neg rep is literally the most pussy thing to do. Yeah, I get your point man." Oh so said that hes gone...anyways back on topic yeah i wish they would let you see who neg repped you. it really frustrates me when i get neg repped and have no clue who it is drives me insane. as for deleteing neg reps. no they wont do that. if you have a problem with a neg rep PM a senior staff ember and if they deem it unnecessary they will delete it

[Maverick]

I think reputation should be public for everyone as well. People should stand by the comments they leave.

[Jess]

I quote the late great Genghis Khan "Not signing your neg rep is literally the most pussy thing to do. Yeah, I get your point man." Oh so said that hes gone...anyways back on topic yeah i wish they would let you see who neg repped you. it really frustrates me when i get neg repped and have no clue who it is drives me insane. as for deleteing neg reps. no they wont do that. if you have a problem with a neg rep PM a senior staff ember and if they deem it unnecessary they will delete it

I think what the OP means by removing neg rep is remove the neg rep system...like disable neg repping....

[Professional Russian]

I think what the OP means by removing neg rep is remove the neg rep system...like disable neg repping....

oh well then. either way you say it it wont happen sorry OP

[ImCoolBeans]

Then why even have a rep system? It already gets the hell abused out of it on the positive and negative ends of it.

[Lost in the Echo]

Personally, I think it's fine. Everybody hates it when they get neg repped for something stupid, it's happened to me a lot before. Just contact "IMCOOLBEANS" or "Scarface" ( the administrators ) about it, and if they think the neg rep was unfairly given, then they will remove it. I have reported 2 of my neg rep before that I thought was unfair, and Mikey ( IMCOOLBEANS) removed it. So, if it's unfair, let one of the admins know about it, and if they agree, then it will be removed.

[Iron Man]

I think the current system works as is. If you get neg rep, boo hoo. Cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it. If you let rep get to you that much, then you are going to have a rough time, because people will always have their opinions. That is life.

[DerBear]

I don't agree with having all the site being able to see reputation. I personally think it would cause arguments and get A LOT of people into trouble. Generally some people care about rep more than others. I personally don't care about rep. When I was a very new member I complained about it made quite a few threads on it. However I'll say I have grown up since then and I feel now the rep system is quite abused by a lot of people. Some people I feel rep a lot of the time just to get the positive rep back and I disagree with this.

The only change I would like to see is that the rep system be removed. However I don't think that will ever happen.

If you do get an unfair/abusive rep then private message an admin and they'll look into it and see if it deserves to be removed.

At the end of the day it is something you just accept. The rep system might have its flaws. But think about it! What system doesn't have flaws.....

[Jupiter]

If people say that rep isn't such a big deal, then I don't know why there is always so much argument over changing it. I don't see the harm in people seeing who neg repped them. It'll stop some people from repping people with something like "jklafdskjldfakdfasjkl" or "Lol you suck" or something dumb like that. You know what I mean? If it causes shitstorms of neg rep then that's not an issue because rep truly isn't a big deal.

[DerBear]

If people say that rep isn't such a big deal, then I don't know why there is always so much argument over changing it. I don't see the harm in people seeing who neg repped them. It'll stop some people from repping people with something like "jklafdskjldfakdfasjkl" or "Lol you suck" or something dumb like that. You know what I mean? If it causes shitstorms of neg rep then that's not an issue because rep truly isn't a big deal.

Well to be honest Eric, if no descent constructive comment is left then chances are you can have it removed if someone did leave a spam comment or abusive comment then it will likely be removed.

Having people see who reps each other would be a terrible idea. It would cause abusive PMs/VMs and all over cause arguments.

[Jupiter]

Well to be honest Eric, if no descent constructive comment is left then chances are you can have it removed if someone did leave a spam comment or abusive comment then it will likely be removed.

Having people see who reps each other would be a terrible idea. It would cause abusive PMs/VMs and all over cause arguments.

You see Derri, the point is that's not always the case. It will only have people leaving who care too much about rep. If they needed help from this place, I think they might overlook it.

[DerBear]

You see Derri, the point is that's not always the case. It will only have people leaving who care too much about rep. If they needed help from this place, I think they might overlook it.

I would have to disagree.

Yes while some might not get upset or start arguments I could see quite a lot of people arguing with each other over reputation and neg reps. This is the main reason why normal members aren't allowed to see who repped them as it would cause people to argue.

We have a good enough system in place. Anyone can PM an admin and ask for a rep to be removed and the admins shall judge if it should be removed. However people do have to be patient as the admins are sometimes very busy.

[NSoKShannon]

I think that the rep system we have currently is fine. Some people may not have the guts to sign the rep they give. Oh well. At least you know it wasn't me, I have the guts to sign the rep I give.

[Mirage]

If it is abused, you can contact a member of the Administration via PM (either ImCoolBeans or Scarface) and they will check it out and see what to do from there.

[Jupiter]

If it is abused, you can contact a member of the Administration via PM (either ImCoolBeans or Scarface) and they will check it out and see what to do from there.

I don't think that's what this is about...


I still think that if people say rep isn't a big deal why it's such a touchy subject for it to be changed..

[Erasmus]

I still think that if people say rep isn't a big deal why it's such a touchy subject for it to be changed..

I agree. if you really don't care about rep, stop complaining about it!

[Lost in the Echo]

I don't agree with having all the site being able to see reputation. I personally think it would cause arguments and get A LOT of people into trouble. Generally some people care about rep more than others. I personally don't care about rep. When I was a very new member I complained about it made quite a few threads on it. However I'll say I have grown up since then and I feel now the rep system is quite abused by a lot of people. Some people I feel rep a lot of the time just to get the positive rep back and I disagree with this.

The only change I would like to see is that the rep system be removed. However I don't think that will ever happen.

If you do get an unfair/abusive rep then private message an admin and they'll look into it and see if it deserves to be removed.

At the end of the day it is something you just accept. The rep system might have its flaws. But think about it! What system doesn't have flaws.....

Yeah, I agree. When I first joined I made a big deal about rep, and got pissed at neg rep and shit. But over times, as i've been on the site longer and matured over that time, rep doesn't seem real important to me like it used to. So you're right, as you mature, shit like neg rep doesn't really bother you anymore.

[IAMWILL]

I don't want to hijack the thread, but if people feel they were unfairly repped and were bothered enough by it to report it, is it possible to implement a system where you can report rep like one would report a post, and have a thread show up for it in the certain section of a certain forum I am not allowed to speak of (staff or past staff should know what I am talking about)? That way Mikey and Ronnie's inboxes will be clear to deal with more important issues than clearing bad rep.

90% of the time I am neg repped it isn't signed and says something like "your stupid" for arguing against another person. I have never bothered to report any of it because A) I really don't give a damn about the rep system since it is abused so much and B) it just seems like a hassle for the Admins to deal with if I was to PM them about it.

I'm just suggesting this for those who are sensitive about their rep, I think it would make the issue easier to deal with for the admins.

[Lost in the Echo]

I don't want to hijack the thread, but if people feel they were unfairly repped and were bothered enough by it to report it, is it possible to implement a system where you can report rep like one would report a post, and have a thread show up for it in the certain secti

Damn dude, I agree, that would be useful. It would be easier than sending a PM. Great idea.

[Maverick]

There really isn't a system available to do that and even if there was I'm sure the convenience would lead to nearly every single negative reputation issued reported. That is why I think it should be public as I believe people would be less inclined to abuse the system since they wouldn't be able to hide who they are.

[Jupiter]

That is why I think it should be public as I believe people would be less inclined to abuse the system since they wouldn't be able to hide who they are.

i agree with this statement.

[Iron Man]

There really isn't a system available to do that and even if there was I'm sure the convenience would lead to nearly every single negative reputation issued reported. That is why I think it should be public as I believe people would be less inclined to abuse the system since they wouldn't be able to hide who they are.

This makes sense. I agree.

[NSoKShannon]

There really isn't a system available to do that and even if there was I'm sure the convenience would lead to nearly every single negative reputation issued reported. That is why I think it should be public as I believe people would be less inclined to abuse the system since they wouldn't be able to hide who they are.

I also think that this is a very valid point.:yeah:

[Jess]

There really isn't a system available to do that and even if there was I'm sure the convenience would lead to nearly every single negative reputation issued reported. That is why I think it should be public as I believe people would be less inclined to abuse the system since they wouldn't be able to hide who they are.

That's a good point...

[ArsenicCatNip]

Why have just a positive rep? If someone says something stupid to get a negative rep for a post they can review it.
There are exceptions like getting negative rep for having opposing opinions which I think is stupid.

[TigerBoy]

If you have a member who is routinely rude or bullying, the last thing you'd want to do is leave your name alongside neg rep I'd have thought.

While its true some people will neg rep for anything from grammar to the fact you have disagreed with them, my experience is the ones who do that usually have so little rep themselves it doesn't make any difference to your overall rep.

If its going to be changed at all (and I don't personally think it needs to be), just remove the scoring. Leave it as a convenient means to leave a quick comment linked to a particular post.

[Human]

I try never to -rep... when I get -repped, it's generally commented with things like some said above "you suck" "i disagree" "i agree" < wut?

[DerBear]

There really isn't a system available to do that and even if there was I'm sure the convenience would lead to nearly every single negative reputation issued reported. That is why I think it should be public as I believe people would be less inclined to abuse the system since they wouldn't be able to hide who they are.

I am going to agree with your second point to an extent. While I think it would lessen the amount of abusers, who abuse the rep system or neg rep randomly. It would also increase the number of arguments between the two persons in question.

I guess it comes down to does the pros out-weight the cons...

Overall though I do think the current system with rep is overall okay. It has a few flaws, but...tell me a system that doesn't have flaws.....

[Human]

If it is abused, you can contact a member of the Administration via PM (either ImCoolBeans or Scarface) and they will check it out and see what to do from there.

Most of us know about that... but even when I do feel it's been abused I tend not to as I feel it's a bit of a waste of their time :P

[nice]

Most of us know about that... but even when I do feel it's been abused I tend not to as I feel it's a bit of a waste of their time :P

Yes that's what I tend to do as well

[StoppingTime]

Making rep public would be have both positive and negative effects, but I think it may be worth a shot sometime in the future. Of course, it would highly discourage people to abuse the system, for both positive and negative rep. Yes, it's abused the other way as well, but you just never hear about it because hey, who's going to complain about a good thing, even if it wasn't deserved?

And if fights break out, then we'll have a strict policy to stop it, and if they don't, well, there are other ways to make people stop. ;)

[Coolboi]

maybe if you rep someone positive or negative your name should post with it automatically

[Haydenn3]

Well i got loads more bad rep because i had like a few bad reps and others prejudged and the comment with the bad rep was "you have bad rep from others so it must mean you have bad answers" i mean really come on

[Jess]

maybe if you rep someone positive or negative your name should post with it automatically

Don't think that's possible, and in any case it's just like showing who repped you in the UCP.

EDIT: never mind. It is.

[ImCoolBeans]

Don't think that's possible, and in any case it's just like showing who repped you in the UCP.

It is possible :P Just not sure if it's really that great of an idea. Lots of retaliation and bickering would ensue and grudges surely would be had. But it's beyond me as to why it is such a big issue. If people acting a bit more maturely in general then this conversation probably wouldn't have been had at all -- but we all know that rep is the end of the world.

[IAMWILL]

If people acting a bit more maturely in general then this conversation probably wouldn't have been had at all -- but we all know that rep is the end of the world.
Mike I hate to say it but remember that being a site for teenagers, almost all of whom haven't fully developed into adults, there is always going to be a lot of immaturity on this site. In the long run, it is a good thing, because VT definitely helps people grow up, but at times like this it can certainly be annoying. I'm sure you already realize that, but I think we all forget it sometimes.

[ImCoolBeans]

Mike I hate to say it but remember that being a site for teenagers, almost all of whom haven't fully developed into adults, there is always going to be a lot of immaturity on this site. In the long run, it is a good thing, because VT definitely helps people grow up, but at times like this it can certainly be annoying. I'm sure you already realize that, but I think we all forget it sometimes.

Haven't forgotten it, that post was mainly sarcastic, Will :P

[IAMWILL]

Oh... Right. I totally knew that... :whoops:

[Coolboi]

mike I'm saying if you post a rep an your name goes on it you might not give a rep because u maybe a chickin to rep a good or bad one most people don't put there name on the rep they post so if your name went with your rep post it would change the amount of rep posts for sure an bad post for sure would stop in less u are certain it's a bad post I think you
no what I mean an yes a bad post pisses people off but if your name is on it you may not bad rep so screw rep in my book

[Axw_JD]

The only things broken with the current rep system are:

1. Admins having the ability to see who gives what rep to whom.
2. Admins having the ability to remove said neg rep.

It destroys the whole point of the system. How can an opinion be "unfair" or "wrong" to deserve being removed?

[TigerBoy]

The only things broken with the current rep system are:

1. Admins having the ability to see who gives what rep to whom.
2. Admins having the ability to remove said neg rep.

It destroys the whole point of the system. How can an opinion be "unfair" or "wrong" to deserve being removed?

Because it is not always "an opinion" that motivates neg repping. It might be considered unfair where people neg rep for spelling and grammar or something trivial like comedy value. In my view if there is any merit in 'reputation' it is a reflection of community standing, not ability to spell correctly (in a possibly-foreign language).

Given 'unfair' rep on that basis, someone has to be able to 'fix' it to introduce balance, and that is what Admins are there for (amongst other things :)). In order to fix it fairly (such as in the case of someone using rep to pursue a vendetta) they may need to know who left it.

[Human]

thanks for all the input guys

[Jupiter]

The only things broken with the current rep system are:

1. Admins having the ability to see who gives what rep to whom.
2. Admins having the ability to remove said neg rep.

It destroys the whole point of the system. How can an opinion be "unfair" or "wrong" to deserve being removed?

because of silly reasons for neg repping for example a perfectly fine post gets neg repped with a reason of "!" or "shh" or something like "dsfbjsdajkdasfjk"

[Lost in the Echo]

because of silly reasons for neg repping for example a perfectly fine post gets neg repped with a reason of "!" or "shh" or something like "dsfbjsdajkdasfjk"

Yeah I agree, I got neg repped yesterday for what I said in a Obama thread, and on the comment it said "Obama <3" , now that is a stupid thing to say on a neg rep. So yeah, that's why admins have the ability to see and delete rep.

[Abyssal Echo]

The same thing happened to me when I posted to the same thread the neg rep was prob. from the same person that neg rep'd you.

[FreeFall]

The only things broken with the current rep system are:

1. Admins having the ability to see who gives what rep to whom.
2. Admins having the ability to remove said neg rep.

It destroys the whole point of the system. How can an opinion be "unfair" or "wrong" to deserve being removed?
I'm not rep picky but I certainly fail to see how ## or x is an opinion.

People are silly and will rep you a number, just to give you rep or take it away. It's been abused, but it's not a broken system really. Nothing is fool proof and that's why the admins can remove it, because 455 is an unfair thing to negatively rep, it helps nothing and says nothing.

[Green Arrow]

I used to be active on a forum that had a 'like' system which is a little bit different to the rep system. Let's say someone likes my post on this thread they can click a button that is next to the quote button and at the bottom of the post it says *insert forum names here* liked this post. The likes are also tallied on the side of the posts where the info like Names age etc. is. I guess it was taken from Facebook but it was very popular on that forum.

[Texas warrior]

I look at it this way, If I neg rep someone with huge rep for something I legitimately disagree with they will destroy my rep. It's happened before.