What if

[sven]

Let's think of a hypothetical scenerio, involving a painting, it's called 'Light'. Jon thinks it's beautiful; Jack thinks it's hideous. Which statement is true and which is false? Jon's isn't not true. Jack's isn't not true either. Right? Doesn't that mean that the painting is both beautiful and hideous? That Jon's statement and Jack's, are both, simultaneously, true and false?

[Gigablue]

The statements: Jon thinks it's beautiful and Jack thinks it's hideous are both true. Objectively, the painting is neither. Beauty can't be objectively measured, so it's just a matter of personal opinion.

[Jess]

The statements: Jon thinks it's beautiful and Jack thinks it's hideous are both true. Objectively, the painting is neither. Beauty can't be objectively measured, so it's just a matter of personal opinion.

This is exactly what I think. I didn't know how to word it, but you did the perfectly.

[TheBigUnit]

The statements: Jon thinks it's beautiful and Jack thinks it's hideous are both true. Objectively, the painting is neither. Beauty can't be objectively measured, so it's just a matter of personal opinion.

I agree also, its simply an opinion question

[Lost in the Echo]

The painting is a painting, that is the only fact. Someone, could think it looks good, someone else might think it looks hideous, like you said. So those are just opinions, not fact , facts are things that can be proven. So basically, the only fact about it, is that it's a painting, simple as that :D

[Manjusri]

There can never be a 'true' or 'false' to a question like this, because beauty is perceived by an individuals opinion, not solid evidence or reasoning.

[TigerBoy]

As I mentioned in the 'True or False' thread this concept is covered by "subjective logic" and other schemes. If you want to apply formal logic this type of scheme can maintain the concept of truth and falsehood along with belief ownership, such that within the distribution maintaining all beliefs, it is possible to express both opinions.

If you are considering it in non-formal terms then the 'true' and 'false' become irrelevant. In the 'True or False' thread I used this example from the perspective of a blind man who thus had no ability to make an opinion based on viewing the beauty: the reason for doing so was to make the 'philosopher's perspective' impartial. In reality, most of us will have our own subjective opinion and use it to form a judgement about beauty and thus which of the other two opinions are 'true'.

[Mortal Coil]

The statements made about the picture are opinions. Therefore the picture is neither. Objectively, it is not beautiful or ugly; those are just the subjective opinions.

[Sudds3]

They are both opinions, and opinions aren't true or false. It's just what someone thinks, Jon disagrees with jack, but they are both right in the sense that it is their own genuine opinion.

[ArsenicCatNip]

Let's think of a hypothetical scenerio, involving a painting, it's called 'Light'. Jon thinks it's beautiful; Jack thinks it's hideous. Which statement is true and which is false? Jon's isn't not true. Jack's isn't not true either. Right? Doesn't that mean that the painting is both beautiful and hideous? That Jon's statement and Jack's, are both, simultaneously, true and false?

No there is no true and false when it comes to subjectivity. There is no such thing as a "right" or "wrong" opinion. The painting would be however you interpret it.