Jerking and religion

[Tommy123]

I try not to jerk off because I think it pisses off God. But I can't help it, can you help me?

[NeuroTiger]

I'm in some same situation as you...it's really very hard to stop but Im giving it a try.

[TigerBoy]

I look at it this way: the bible says a whole load of stuff that is mostly ignored as times have changed, and there are a multitude of different sects of Christianity because they disagree over which bits to ignore.

If your faith matters to you and your particular church says that you shouldn't do it, then you have two choices:

you disagree with your church then find a different one that agrees with you: there are plenty to choose from.
or
Obey your church and abstain.


Given the distinct lack of lighting strikes on teen boys in my area, I don't think you are running a huge risk by doing what feels good.

[The captain]

well it's so weird that feeling, but I have sometimes..I guess that is more bad lie about do it or not, so we're teens and wank is pretty normal..sometimes when we read about some priest who sexual abuse, I guess wank is no that bad

[dontfiguremeout]

Take a look at this site! (btw mods, it's perfectly safe site, and nothing can harm computers nor bad website! :) ) I think you will get the most help here, since it was made by a pastor and guys like you who believes in God tells their own stories how they went through puberty, and the times they thought God would not like it at all! http://boysunderattack.com/stories.html

[Stryker125]

Take a look at this site! (btw mods, it's perfectly safe site, and nothing can harm computers nor bad website! :) ) I think you will get the most help here, since it was made by a pastor and guys like you who believes in God tells their own stories how they went through puberty, and the times they thought God would not like it at all! http://boysunderattack.com/stories.html

^^ That site has most of the stuff I was gonna say. As far as I know, masturbation isn't much of an issue with God. It's a completely natural thing and there's no need to feel guilty about it, no matter how many people try to tell you otherwise.

[justinglives]

Masturbation. Is NOT a sin as long as you do not force yourself or it on other people.

[Lost in the Echo]

Well if it's a sin, it looks like just about everyone is going to hell :P

Seriously though, I don't think it's a sin, people have urges and get horny, it's understandable.

[salty]

Better to jerk off than to be a total whore

[Duke Blue Devils]

I'm in the same predicament. I feel guilty afterwards because it feels to be an "unclean" act. :(

[Danny_boi 16]

I feel the same way. But J/O is only human nature. And why would God deem somethings part of human nature, and others unnatural.

[niceguy887]

I feel the same way. But J/O is only human nature. And why would God deem somethings part of human nature, and others unnatural.

Good point!

[frankrocky]

I like tiger boys answer

[Booker]

Jerking off isn't a sin, it's part of our bodies natural development. But if you get into pornography and you go down that bad road, it is a sin, since it is lust.

[Thomas01]

Jerking off is natural don't worry, but if you feel it is wrong by all means you don't have to.

[Nellerin]

God does not care if you jerk off. It's fine. Despite what some religions say, it is not a sin IMO because there is literally nothing wrong with it.

Most teen guys do it since it is part of growing up something like (85-90%) of teen guys jerk off.

[BoyTeen1997]

Not to sound rude (i believe in god) But it is one of those things that you just have to decide. Do you want to relieve sexual tension or do you want to please god. As simple as that.

[Diverperry]

I'm in the same boat. I quit jacking off for a full year. Started again and now I've quit for about one month now. I reconnected with my religion so I'm not going to do it anymore. If you are serious about your religion, then follow what it teaches and don't jack off. If you're not, then do whatever

[Straight]

I used to wonder that, And I thought that he didn't care

But I'm full atheist now

[Jaseeee]

It's a personal decision you have to make..

[showoffboy]

well im an athiest, so maybe i cant help u, but since masturbation is such a natural process, i cant imagine why it should be a problem. i think it is just religious people (priests or ministers or whoever) who are trying to make u feel guilty.

[stan1]

The Bible doesn't mention masturbation, but it does warn against lust. As long as you don't cross that line, than your fine.

[TigerBoy]

The Bible doesn't mention masturbation, but it does warn against lust. As long as you don't cross that line, than your fine.

There is the 'sin of Onan' Genesis 38:3-10 which was actually 'pulling out' but some have tried to use it to justify not masturbating, which is widely regarded as stretching the truth. But since Onan supposedly got zapped for what he did, better safe than sorry, perhaps. Monty Python wrote an inspirational song (http://youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk)about it if you're interested.

[sdude]

All nonsense...If you want to deprive yourself of natural pleasure, that's your hang-up. If there is a god, he has probably put those that wrote what they SAY he decried in Hell for being the perverted sadistic morons that pushed people to religion to scare and keep them under control....nothing more. Enjoy life and whack away!!!

[NSoKShannon]

I don't think it is a sin. Everyone gets horny and needs to j/o.

[stan1]

There is the 'sin of Onan' Genesis 38:3-10 which was actually 'pulling out' but some have tried to use it to justify not masturbating, which is widely regarded as stretching the truth. But since Onan supposedly got zapped for what he did, better safe than sorry, perhaps. Monty Python wrote an inspirational song (http://youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk)about it if you're interested.


Onan was called by God to have a child with his dead brother's wife, so his brother's name won't die out. Needless to say, Onan liked sex and agreed. The thing that got him "zapped" was he "pulled out" right before he ejaculated and, therefore, did not impregnate the woman. God killed Onan then and there. Onan died because he disobeyed God's command, moral of the story: Do what God says. This has been used to falsely condemn masturbation for many generations.

I truly believe that if masturbation was a sin, than God would say so. Just like he said homosexuality is a sin and sex with animals is a sin. (Leviticus 18:22-23)

[TigerBoy]

I truly believe that if masturbation was a sin, than God would say so. Just like he said homosexuality is a sin and sex with animals is a sin. (Leviticus 18:22-23)
Well if you're going to try to use what Leviticus says to guide morality you're going to have to make some tough changes to your life. Or you will either have to pick and choose, or decide like many Christians that there's a whole load of outdated advice in parts of the bible that are not relevant to modern society.

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him."

So I hope you watch how you talk to and about your parents. How many kids have been put to death by wronged parents who believe in the 'anti gay' bit only 3 verses previously?

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property."
So you believe in slavery too now?

"...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you."
So don't eat pork (because the hooves look supernatural, or something).

"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material."
So thats damned all farmers who believe in ecologically sound monocrops. Also you are probably already damned based on what you are wearing, so you might as well go and masturbate anyway.

(PS: Not sure if you just didn't read what I wrote about Onan or just wanted to repeat what I had already said in more words :confused: )

[sdude]

Well if you're going to try to use what Leviticus says to guide morality you're going to have to make some tough changes to your life. Or you will either have to pick and choose, or decide like many Christians that there's a whole load of outdated advice in parts of the bible that are not relevant to modern society.


So I hope you watch how you talk to and about your parents. How many kids have been put to death by wronged parents who believe in the 'anti gay' bit only 3 verses previously?


So you believe in slavery too now?


So don't eat pork (because the hooves look supernatural, or something).


So thats damned all farmers who believe in ecologically sound monocrops. Also you are probably already damned based on what you are wearing, so you might as well go and masturbate anyway.

(PS: Not sure if you just didn't read what I wrote about Onan or just wanted to repeat what I had already said in more words :confused: )

Good work on your bible study!!! Exactly, the other point to remember about the bible is that these "gospels" have been hand translated by the same type of sanctimonious priests that were fucking their alter boys at 10, then "interpreting" the text to "their" version of what God did or didn't say...Use your brain, not religious nonsense!!

[skikid22]

i feel the same way but i get over it

[Cycling Penguin]

If ur catholic then they believe every spermatozoa is sacred so if you wank you will burn in hell
As you can see I'm a Buddhist but I don't know the 'belief' on jerking off so I do anyway

[Green Arrow]

In what way is masturbating a sin or wrong in the eyes of "god"?

[stan1]

Well if you're going to try to use what Leviticus says to guide morality you're going to have to make some tough changes to your life. Or you will either have to pick and choose, or decide like many Christians that there's a whole load of outdated advice in parts of the bible that are not relevant to modern society.


So I hope you watch how you talk to and about your parents. How many kids have been put to death by wronged parents who believe in the 'anti gay' bit only 3 verses previously?


So you believe in slavery too now?


So don't eat pork (because the hooves look supernatural, or something).


So thats damned all farmers who believe in ecologically sound monocrops. Also you are probably already damned based on what you are wearing, so you might as well go and masturbate anyway.

(PS: Not sure if you just didn't read what I wrote about Onan or just wanted to repeat what I had already said in more words :confused: )



Dude, calm it down a bit. I'll go through each thing you listed.
-Curse Parents=Death:Biblical curses are legit "call on God to curse you" curses. Not a snide remark to your parent. These curses were serious stuff.
-Slavery:It is true that Isreal had slaves, but those countries sold themselves into slavery to guarantee their survival. Isreal came into Canaan and was wiping away everything and everybody as commanded by God in Deuteronomy 7.This frightened the countries of Canaan, so these countries tricked Israel into signing a peace treaty. The Bible tells this story in Joshua 9. Slavery in Biblical times also referred to servants and God gives the Israelites rules that regard setting free slaves in Deuteronomy 15.
-Unclean Food:Many Christians believe that God cleansed these animals, because of the events in Peter's vision in Acts 10:4-10.
-Seeds, Animals, and Clothing: God's true purpose for these commandments can only be speculated. Some believe that God was simply trying to distinguish Israel as something different than the cultures and religions around Canaan. Some believe God wanted the Israelites lives to be pure and simple. That'll just be something to ask him someday.


I think I covered all you listed...Sorry if I offended you in any way though. I only brought up sexuality in Leviticus to show that God talks about sexuality and the sins that are associated with it. Masturbation is not listed as one of those sins and I just wanted to point that out.

[Jupiter]

even though i don't believe in dogmas or theologies, i just want to point out that your bible says that god will love you no matter what.

[stan1]

even though i don't believe in dogmas or theologies, i just want to point out that your bible says that god will love you no matter what.

God loves every single person, but he hates the sin in the lives of every single person. He loves us, that's why he sent Christ to die for our sins.

[TigerBoy]

Stan1, if you want me to stay calm don't quote bollocks that suggests that I should be put to death for my sexuality. If you come out with that crap, you've given me every reason NOT to be calm, understand?


-Curse Parents=Death:Biblical curses are legit "call on God to curse you" curses. Not a snide remark to your parent. These curses were serious stuff.

Sophistry - the issue is about MURDERING KIDS FOR ANY REASON.
And you seriously still think that its OK TO COMMIT MURDER OF A CHILD if that (undefined) threshold is crossed?
I think you might find that society would think that was not ok, these days.
Besides which, who arbitrates what constitutes a 'serious' curse? Is "Damn you" in the heat of the moment clear enough? Where does a christian - worried about exactly when they HAVE to kill their kid, find the exact rules for this offence anyway?


-Slavery:It is true that Isreal had slaves, but those countries sold themselves into slavery to guarantee their survival. Isreal came into Canaan and was wiping away everything and everybody as commanded by God in Deuteronomy 7.This frightened the countries of Canaan, so these countries tricked Israel into signing a peace treaty. The Bible tells this story in Joshua 9. Slavery in Biblical times also referred to servants and God gives the Israelites rules that regard setting free slaves in Deuteronomy 15.
Again - sophistry. Leviticus says 'slaves are ok'. You were quoting Leviticus. A 'history' lesson about who were slaves and why doesn't alter that fact. If you believe Leviticus, you believe its ok to own slaves.


-Unclean Food:Many Christians believe that God cleansed these animals, because of the events in Peter's vision in Acts 10:4-10.
"many Christians believe" ... because the bible is so vague that people have to 'interpret' it to find ways of suiting their views, hence all the different Christian sects.
You are also dodging the point again - you either believe Leviticus or you don't.

-Seeds, Animals, and Clothing: God's true purpose for these commandments can only be speculated. Some believe that God was simply trying to distinguish Israel as something different than the cultures and religions around Canaan. Some believe God wanted the Israelites lives to be pure and simple. That'll just be something to ask him someday.
"can only be speculated. "
That says it all really. Leviticus is quite clear - you either believe it or you don't. If interpretation and speculation is allowed, then why don't you apply some independant thought and stop using the bible to justify hatred?

Sorry if I offended you in any way though. I only brought up sexuality in Leviticus to show that God talks about sexuality and the sins that are associated with it. Masturbation is not listed as one of those sins and I just wanted to point that out.
Then if you don't want to cause offence, don't use a book of bronze age fables to tell me I should be put to death, thank you so much.

[stan1]

Stan1, if you want me to stay calm don't quote bollocks that suggests that I should be put to death for my sexuality. If you come out with that crap, you've given me every reason NOT to be calm, understand?


Sophistry - the issue is about MURDERING KIDS FOR ANY REASON.
And you seriously still think that its OK TO COMMIT MURDER OF A CHILD if that (undefined) threshold is crossed?
I think you might find that society would think that was not ok, these days.
Besides which, who arbitrates what constitutes a 'serious' curse? Is "Damn you" in the heat of the moment clear enough? Where does a christian - worried about exactly when they HAVE to kill their kid, find the exact rules for this offence anyway?



Again - sophistry. Leviticus says 'slaves are ok'. You were quoting Leviticus. A 'history' lesson about who were slaves and why doesn't alter that fact. If you believe Leviticus, you believe its ok to own slaves.



"many Christians believe" ... because the bible is so vague that people have to 'interpret' it to find ways of suiting their views, hence all the different Christian sects.
You are also dodging the point again - you either believe Leviticus or you don't.


"can only be speculated. "
That says it all really. Leviticus is quite clear - you either believe it or you don't. If interpretation and speculation is allowed, then why don't you apply some independant thought and stop using the bible to justify hatred?


Then if you don't want to cause offence, don't use a book of bronze age fables to tell me I should be put to death, thank you so much.


If you don't want to believe it then don't.

[sdude]

We all used to believe in Santa Claus too....But luckily he only took the high road of "be a good boy"...not "you will die a thousand deaths in hell"...to scare us out of anything that felt good...Grow up and use your brain. Religion is just a crutch, to make sense out of what we refuse to understand. We are mortal. There is a beginning, there is an end. Enjoy life and be good to each other and the planet. That should be enough, Period.

[crumbs]

Post of the year ^^^

How is this even something people actually waste their energy thinking about? Get something important to sink your energy into, like being a good son, or thinking about starting a career, or giving to charity or helping the environment.

[TigerBoy]

If you don't want to believe it then don't.

You are missing the point(s).

1. Leviticus states that gays should be put to death. Not only do I 'choose not to believe' that, I find it totally offensive.

2. I don't need anyone's permission to believe what I choose. I prefer to base my beliefs on evidence and logic rather than fantasy and reification, and my morality on love and goodness, not hatred and division.

You appear to be aligning yourself with some frankly bizarre and often hateful directives: again, try thinking for yourself.

Prominent Christians like Jesse Jackson have gone on record as stating they'd be happy to marry a gay couple: that seems a far more loving and 'Christian' attitude to me.

By contrast the bible has been historically used to justify hatred and division by self-serving and frankly evil men. The institution of slavery and black civil rights is a very relevant case in point.

Having 'belief' in your faith does not excuse you from making your own moral choices.

[stan1]

You are missing the point(s).

1. Leviticus states that gays should be put to death. Not only do I 'choose not to believe' that, I find it totally offensive.

2. I don't need anyone's permission to believe what I choose. I prefer to base my beliefs on evidence and logic rather than fantasy and reification, and my morality on love and goodness, not hatred and division.

You appear to be aligning yourself with some frankly bizarre and often hateful directives: again, try thinking for yourself.

Prominent Christians like Jesse Jackson have gone on record as stating they'd be happy to marry a gay couple: that seems a far more loving and 'Christian' attitude to me.

By contrast the bible has been historically used to justify hatred and division by self-serving and frankly evil men. The institution of slavery and black civil rights is a very relevant case in point.

Having 'belief' in your faith does not excuse you from making your own moral choices.

I make my moral choices based on my faith and belief. Everyone likes to believe God is all love, so Christians should be all love also. The truth is God is just as much love as he is a judge. God is immutable, so if he found an act detestable then, he does now. You need no ones permission to believe in what you want to, so stop getting fired up when someone disagrees with your belief. Also, don't make an assumption about a religion--or anything else--based on a few people.

[TigerBoy]

I make my moral choices based on my faith and belief.

Which appears to include a belief in the killing of gays and children.


Everyone likes to believe God is all love, so Christians should be all love also. The truth is God is just as much love as he is a judge. God is immutable, so if he found an act detestable then, he does now.
I am not the least bit interested in what you believe about your God. I did not suggest he was 'all love' at any point, and I am more than aware of all of the bloodthirsty examples showing quite the opposite in the Bible, I assure you.
What does matter to me is how you choose to express your faith where it affects me. Specifically I care about whether you choose to behave in a loving or hateful manner.


You need no ones permission to believe in what you want to, so stop getting fired up when someone disagrees with your belief. Also, don't make an assumption about a religion--or anything else--based on a few people.
Yet again you completely miss the only point I am trying to make here. I'm not getting "fired up" about you disagreeing with a belief of mine. I'm getting "fired up" about you acting in a hateful manner: specifically, implying that gay sex is similar to having sex with animals, and referencing a book in the bible that suggests that I and other gays should be put to death.
You also seem to be dismissing those who disagree with you - including the a respected public figure - as insignificant compared to your own views, which is just laughably arrogant.

I have tried to politely explain to you how insensitive and offensive your remark was and rather than apologising you seem to have retreated into smug self-satisfaction.

[StoppingTime]

Alright, this is going to end. This thread is not a debate, and it shouldn't have turned into one.

Stan1: People can believe, interpret, and see you, the Bible, g/God, etc... however they want, they don't need to hear you telling or preaching them.
And for you to come here and say that homosexuality is a sin, and in effect, making members here uncomfortable, is uncalled for, and will stop now

This has just turned to almost baseless fighting, which is not allowed. If you have any further input on this, please, don't hesitate to PM me (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/private.php?do=newpm&u=39049). :locked: