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Neptune
October 25th, 2012, 09:57 PM
Apple and major music labels have intensified negotiations to start an advertising-supported streaming radio service by early next year, according to people with knowledge of the talks.

Discussions are centered in part around how to share ad revenue and a deal could be reached by mid-November, with Apple starting a service within the first three months of 2013, said the people, who asked not to be named because talks are still in progress. Shares of Internet-radio leader Pandora Media Inc. (P) plunged the most since Sept. 7.

With sales of music downloads slowing, Apple and record companies want to create new ways for customers to discover and buy digital music. To challenge Pandora, Apple is seeking licensing pacts with labels that allow more flexibility about what listeners hear. Pandora relies on a compulsory license that limits how often users can skip tracks and how many times an hour an artist can be played. Apple is also pushing for earlier access to new releases.

“Radio is a natural step for Apple,” Rich Greenfield, an analyst with BTIG LLC in New York, said in an interview. “This helps Apple dominate in cars, where people listen to an average of two hours of radio a day.”

Pandora, based in Oakland, California, declined 12 percent to $8.20 at the close in New York, after Bloomberg News reported on Apple’s progress on talks with the labels. The shares have lost 18 percent this year.

Shares Roiled


Executives from Vivendi SA (VIV)’s Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group, and Sony Corp. (6758)’s music division visited Apple’s headquarters in Cupertino, California, in recent weeks to learn more about its radio plans, the people said. Apple, the world’s biggest music retailer with more than 400 million iTunes accounts, wants listeners to be able to buy tracks as music streams or revisit what they’ve heard in auto-generated playlists, they said.

Apple is looking to create an app tailored for its iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch, the people said. They said it won’t be focused on delivering music through a Web browser.

Pandora, which creates music stations based on users’ tastes, has whipsawed based on reports of Apple’s plans. The shares fell 17 percent on Sept. 7, then gained 8.4 percent on Oct. 23 after Apple didn’t introduce a radio service during an event it held to unveil the iPad mini, a smaller version of its tablet computer that will start shipping in November.

“We don’t comment on our stock price or rumored competitive moves,” Eric Brown, vice president of communications at Pandora, said in an e-mailed statement. “We remain focused on our listeners and delivering the best Internet radio experience for them.”

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Online digital music sales grew 8 percent in 2011 and 6 percent in 2010, compared with annual growth between 12 percent and 200 percent in the preceding five years, according to the London-based International Federation of the Phonographic Industry.

Apple’s negotiations with record labels have centered around advertising, the people said. In addition to an upfront fee, record companies are seeking a percentage of ad sales and the ability to insert their own commercials for artists, they said. Apple sees the service as a way to grow its iAd mobile advertising platform, and is exploring ways to integrate iAd with iTunes to steer customers back to iTunes.

Tom Neumayr, a spokesman for Apple, declined to comment. Apple fell 1.2 percent to $609.54, ahead of its quarterly earnings report. The shares have climbed 51 percent this year.

Ad Push

The advertising initiative is part of broader flexibility Apple Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook is giving the company’s mobile advertising group to lure new business and integrate ads with other Apple services, according to people familiar with the matter.

As Apple competes with Google Inc. (GOOG) for mobile ads, Cook is giving more leeway than late co-founder Steve Jobs allowed on how much Apple charges and how much data is shared with marketers, said the people. That already won Apple multimillion- dollar contracts from Procter & Gamble Co. (PG) and others for ads that appear inside thousands of applications available to iPhone and iPad users.

“If Apple offers a radio product, it will be far superior to anything else on the market,” said Greenfield, who recommends selling Pandora shares and doesn’t cover Apple. “They’re seeking direct licenses to avoid all the restrictions that come with a compulsory license.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-25/apple-s-online-radio-service-to-challenge-pandora-in-2013.html

Cognizant
October 25th, 2012, 10:15 PM
Hmmm... It's funny how they were dissing Pandora-like services when they were introducing iTunes. :P

And personally, I like it that way. I'd prefer to have my Music Library the way it always has been.

West Coast Sheriff
October 25th, 2012, 10:28 PM
Hmmmm? :what:
I personally love pandora but also apple. :confused: this is quite confusing

Iron Man
October 25th, 2012, 10:31 PM
So, once Apple creates this "Pandora competitor", are they going to sue Pandora for "stealing their idea"?

Castle of Glass
October 25th, 2012, 10:44 PM
i have always hated apple, but i liked it better when steve jobs was alive. now they are just a bully. no more ideas, only updates to old products. soon they will be left behind in the market.

WickedWeekend
October 26th, 2012, 02:45 PM
I'll stick with Spotify.

Mirage
October 27th, 2012, 03:25 PM
So, once Apple creates this "Pandora competitor", are they going to sue Pandora for "stealing their idea"?

Right after they patent the rectangle.

I think Pandora will always be better due to the simple fact that they came first. If Apple steals the idea and makes a competitor it will push Pandora to become better and better.

Maverick
October 27th, 2012, 04:22 PM
Right after they patent the rectangle.

I think Pandora will always be better due to the simple fact that they came first. If Apple steals the idea and makes a competitor it will push Pandora to become better and better.
Being first doesn't always mean you'll finish stronger than anyone else. If I make a new product and become number 1 in the market share, if I don't continue to innovate and stay on my toes then a competitor can come in and make something better then leave me behind.

In the meantime Pandora has some time to step their game up however the good news for them is that Apple can only compete with them against just Apple products. I wouldn't expect Apple radio on Android.