Conscription?(a.k.a mandatory military service)

[Castle of Glass]

so as i am from finland i have a conscription or a mandatory military service. this means i have to join, no exceptions. although it will not happen for at least for 5 to 6 years, it is still quite a large thing in my thoughts now a days. so do any of you have consripts or mandatory military services? if so how long are they and do you have a choice on what branch, i.e. navy, air force, army, special forces, or any other one your country has. and for those of you who don't have one, are you planning on enlisting?

As for me, i do have a choice on the branch and i am joining with navy(hopefully the finnish version of the Navy SEALS so the Taistelusukeltajat or diving fighters) or the the Utti Jaeger Regiment(Utin Jääkärirykmentti or the finnish special forces). the mandatory time is 6 to 12 months. most likely will try and take more than 8 months.

*feel free to move if in the wrong section*

[Mortal Coil]

I am not personally affected by conscription but am fairly close to people who are (Singapore, two years of mandatory training.) I plan to join the American marines if I live to be old enough, because that's really my only career choice as is.

[Darkness.]

We don't have conscription in Australia. We got rid of that in like the 60s. To answer the second part. No I don't plan on enlisting. This is because I have a disability.

[The Mockingjay]

I would never join the army and I would hate to be in a country that conscripted. I agree with conscription in times of absolute need (the Battle of Britain, for example), but a country making the choice to put their own people's lives on the line without asking them or desperately needing it is just unfair.

[Gigablue]

Here in Canada, we don't have any mandatory military training. I would never want to join the military. I don't really think its useful and I want to have a more fulfilling career.

[Professional Russian]

I think its a good idea. it gives people discipline and respect of their superiors.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

I have Greek family, and they have a mandatory military service. While I don't think the military is for everyone, I think it can teach someone a lot about many things and really help someone develop. I am completely for conscription for a service of about a year. I see myself joining the RAF within the next 2 years.

[Castle of Glass]

I would never join the army and I would hate to be in a country that conscripted. I agree with conscription in times of absolute need (the Battle of Britain, for example), but a country making the choice to put their own people's lives on the line without asking them or desperately needing it is just unfair.

some coutries must. their population is too small to defend their country with only volentirees so they need every capable man to know how handle weapons, know military tactics, work as a large group, and safety.

[Magical]

some coutries must. their population is too small to defend their country with only volentirees so they need every capable man to know how handle weapons, know military tactics, work as a large group, and safety.

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WHY does the contry need defense by people?

Seriously?

I would hope we'd have a mostly robotic army by 2030 (controlled by people, of course).

What war is going on?

What threat of a war is there? (Almost none, Globalisation.)

[MisterSix]

New Zealand doesn't anymore.
I think its a great thing in peace time. It can teach the youth a lot.
I would like to join the navy but sadly I'm not military material

[Castle of Glass]

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WHY does the contry need defense by people?

Seriously?

I would hope we'd have a mostly robotic army by 2030 (controlled by people, of course).

What war is going on?

What threat of a war is there? (Almost none, Globalisation.)

ok, countries with small populations need every capable man to know how to use a weapon if lets say world war 3 starts. and for the robotic army, that is not as good as a human one. humans have instinct and the gut feeling. also, just because it is the military and mandatory service, it doesn't mean war. it could mean peace keeping in countries where civil wars are happening or where the US has attacked. that is what most finnish military services do. also in finland the special forces helps the finnish version of SWAT if they need it. and there will always be a threat of war as long as there are disagreements. also natural resources are running out so that is a reason to go to war, if the time ever comes.

[Jess]

I would never join the army. The training alone would kill me (I would be kicked out anyways). Nor do I want any of my family to be forced into it.

[Erasmus]

There's no way I will join the army. It just doesn't really appeal to me, and I probably wouldn't make it through training anyway.

[Magical]

ok, countries with small populations need every capable man to know how to use a weapon if lets say world war 3 starts. and for the robotic army, that is not as good as a human one. humans have instinct and the gut feeling. also, just because it is the military and mandatory service, it doesn't mean war. it could mean peace keeping in countries where civil wars are happening or where the US has attacked. that is what most finnish military services do. also in finland the special forces helps the finnish version of SWAT if they need it. and there will always be a threat of war as long as there are disagreements. also natural resources are running out so that is a reason to go to war, if the time ever comes.

Yeah, that's the issue.

World War 3 has NO reason to start. Globalisation has ensured that. You go to war, you lose your trading partners, you suffer. You also have to fight that war you started. I am sure the rest of the world would dislike you for starting the war. It is also far too dangerous - nuclear weaponry.

Also, humans do have instinct. That is why I MENTIONED that THE ROBOTS would be CONTROLLED by PEOPLE. WITH an OF COURSE.

However, instinct is unimportant.

Robots are far more expendable than people - at least in the public eye. This makes them much better soldiers.

[Castle of Glass]

Yeah, that's the issue.

World War 3 has NO reason to start. Globalisation has ensured that. You go to war, you lose your trading partners, you suffer. You also have to fight that war you started. I am sure the rest of the world would dislike you for starting the war. It is also far too dangerous - nuclear weaponry.

Also, humans do have instinct. That is why I MENTIONED that THE ROBOTS would be CONTROLLED by PEOPLE. WITH an OF COURSE.

However, instinct is unimportant.

Robots are far more expendable than people - at least in the public eye. This makes them much better soldiers.

first WW3 will start not matter what. it will start when freshwater starts running out. also the US, China, North Korea or russia will start it. the four most powerful armies in the world. also that is why a lot of people hate the US. because of all the wars they start. they think they are the world police. they think they can join any fire fight and call the people attacking terrorist. another reason why WW3 will start, control of nuclear weapons. Globalisation will never work fully.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but world War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -Albert Einstein

Instinct is important not matter what you say. Instinct is what makes human the most superior fighting beings in the world. instinct helps save lives everyday. there is a difference between seeing a place on a screen and being in a place. if you are there you can sense something is wrong and you will most likely be waaay more alert. but is you see is on a screen you will think everthing is ok so you won't do anything.

Robots will never be as good as humans. they will always assist but replace humans in war.expendable soldiers. ha. think about their cost. now that you have a price in your mind, think about how many countries THAT need them, like countries that have to use conscription due to the lack of population. they won't be able to afford them. also robots are easier to de activate than you think. you can do it using an EMP, or shooting its camera so it is blind and then remove the wires.

[vitorioso]

I respect though who are part of a military service, but there is absolutely no way I would. I wouldn't be able to withstand the training, and it would interfere with a looot of my life plans.

Also, my entire family would go absolutely crazy if I were to tell them that I am going to join the military. I'm probably emigrating from the US anyways, so there is no point.

[Magical]

first WW3 will start not matter what. it will start when freshwater starts running out. also the US, China, North Korea or russia will start it. the four most powerful armies in the world. also that is why a lot of people hate the US. because of all the wars they start. they think they are the world police. they think they can join any fire fight and call the people attacking terrorist. another reason why WW3 will start, control of nuclear weapons. Globalisation will never work fully.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but world War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -Albert Einstein

Instinct is important not matter what you say. Instinct is what makes human the most superior fighting beings in the world. instinct helps save lives everyday. there is a difference between seeing a place on a screen and being in a place. if you are there you can sense something is wrong and you will most likely be waaay more alert. but is you see is on a screen you will think everthing is ok so you won't do anything.

Robots will never be as good as humans. they will always assist but replace humans in war.expendable soldiers. ha. think about their cost. now that you have a price in your mind, think about how many countries THAT need them, like countries that have to use conscription due to the lack of population. they won't be able to afford them. also robots are easier to de activate than you think. you can do it using an EMP, or shooting its camera so it is blind and then remove the wires.

That Albert Einstein quote is SO annoying.

Seriously?

No one - bar insane religious people - would commit to fighting a war with nuclear weaponry. Before we can have another serious war, people will need to find a way to stop nuclear weaponry easily and safely. It is suicide otherwise. Also, North Korea has a powerful army? With their AMAZING technology?

Globalisation will work. The U.S. imports things. All countries import things. The countries depend on these imports, and if they didn't happen...

Oh look. Instinct is amazing. That is why it can let you survive IED's in Afganistan. Of course, if you are in danger you will be more cautious! But the operators of these drones would be cautious as they would be expensive pieces of machinery. They could also send out smaller robots to ensure safety.

Also... http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/faraday-cage-emp-protection/

Just make the outside of the robot metal, with holes. Then connect it to the insides with an insulated material, and force it to walk.

Where are you getting this shoot the camera? They would protect the camera with, say, bulletproof glass...it's location would not be entirely obvious. Designers are not idiots.

Remove the wires? And let it shoot you in the face?

[Castle of Glass]

That Albert Einstein quote is SO annoying.

Seriously?

No one - bar insane religious people - would commit to fighting a war with nuclear weaponry. Before we can have another serious war, people will need to find a way to stop nuclear weaponry easily and safely. It is suicide otherwise. Also, North Korea has a powerful army? With their AMAZING technology?

Globalisation will work. The U.S. imports things. All countries import things. The countries depend on these imports, and if they didn't happen...

Oh look. Instinct is amazing. That is why it can let you survive IED's in Afganistan. Of course, if you are in danger you will be more cautious! But the operators of these drones would be cautious as they would be expensive pieces of machinery. They could also send out smaller robots to ensure safety.

Also... http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/faraday-cage-emp-protection/

Just make the outside of the robot metal, with holes. Then connect it to the insides with an insulated material, and force it to walk.

Where are you getting this shoot the camera? They would protect the camera with, say, bulletproof glass...it's location would not be entirely obvious. Designers are not idiots.

Remove the wires? And let it shoot you in the face?

technology does not make an army powerful. it is skill and training. Also if nuclear weapons are too dangerous to fight with, which they are, then why do countries have them. and even if you have robots, who will repair them if they become severely damaged in a war zone. you will always have people in the middle of wars. Also look at Earth's history, there has always been wars and history always repeats itself. so there will always be wars. all technology if flawed, it only takes time to exploit the flaw. there is a idea that Macs can not get viruses, but that is wrong they can get them. it only took time to find a way into the equipment, same with all technology.

[Magical]

technology does not make an army powerful. it is skill and training. Also if nuclear weapons are too dangerous to fight with, which they are, then why do countries have them. and even if you have robots, who will repair them if they become severely damaged in a war zone. you will always have people in the middle of wars. Also look at Earth's history, there has always been wars and history always repeats itself. so there will always be wars. all technology if flawed, it only takes time to exploit the flaw. there is a idea that Macs can not get viruses, but that is wrong they can get them. it only took time to find a way into the equipment, same with all technology.

So an army with guns is no more powerful than one with swords? Really?

Countries have nuclear weaponry so that they can not be bullied by countries with nuclear weapons.

Who will repair the robots? People.

So you're saying that war can not develop. And that ALL technology is flawed. I think they are some huuuuuge assertions. History repeats itself? In some ways. Not in all.

The idea that Macs can not get viruses stems from the lack of people targeting them with viruses because they simply were not worth the time. Until more recently.

[Mirage]

This is turning into a debate so I will move this to ROTW. If you want this to be moved back to TWPR for any reason, just PM me.

TWPR :arrow: ROTW

[huginnmuninn]

I was going to join the Army but I couldn't get in because i cut myself and they don't like that

[Halcyon]

some coutries must. their population is too small to defend their country with only volentirees so they need every capable man to know how handle weapons, know military tactics, work as a large group, and safety.

Yeah, I suppose I can see your point there. But bigger countries like Britain, the US, France, Canada, etc, don't have that excuse.

[Korashk]

Conscription is literally one of the worst concepts that ever existed, or will ever exist, and people wouldn't support it nearly as much if it were called what it really is, which is slavery.

[Human]

I don't know, I personally think their should be a voluntary, not military but basic training kind of thing for a few weeks or so. Maybe there would be an incentive for doing it.