How in the world is it a mystery why companies are moving to China?

[Cicero]

So this really grinds my gears, because Americans wonder why they are moving to China. Americans now a days act like theyre against big corporations, and act like they hate the wealthy. Well, you know what? The wealthy, and corporations supply the majority of those jobs. When Steve Jobs moved his company to China in 2011, Obama asked him to move the jobs back to America, Jobs reply was Those jobs will never come back to America
Under Romney, those corporations will wanna move back to America, because they wont be treated like theyre the enemy. Romney wants to remove all the unnecessary regulations, so it encourages corporations to bring the jobs back. Americans act like they deserve the jobs that are sent to China. I really dont know why. It's not like Americans founded that business (like Apple), no one deserves anything (except respect), so they don't deserve those jobs that are sent to China.
Lastly, if i were a businessman, I would defnitly rather spend 10 cents an hour on 1 worker (China) vs 8 dollars an hour on 1 worker (America). Better yet, those people who hold those jobs in China aren't against the wealthy and dont act like theyre against the wealthy and big corporations, why? Because theyre smart enough to know that they supply the majority of the jobs. They also work much harder than the majority of Americans do, because they know that that job is all theyve got. Also, for those people who want to say "The wealthy doesnt supply the majority of the jobs" then who else does? I've never seen a homeless person own a corporation or own a small business, I've rarely seen the lower class people/poverty stricken people open a big corporation or own a small business, and rarely have I seen a middle class person owning a small business and I've NEVER seen a middle class person own a corporation. Yes, the government does supply a lot of jobs. But they dont supply the majority of those jobs, corporations and small/large businesses are the ones who supply those jobs. Burger King/McDonalds/Arbies/Casinos/Auto Shops/Car Brands aren't owned by the government, theyre owned by people/majority holders of stock. So whats so bad with the wealthy getting tax breaks when they're the ones supplying hundreds/thousands of jobs? Don't they deserve a little tax break now and again? Don't they deserve a little extra money? Also, the wealthy are the ones who buy multi million dollar homes, and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cars, and buy millions of dollars worth of businesses. Theyre the ones who supply jobs even in there personal life (maids, housekeepers, gardeners, accountants, etc). Damn, I wish people didn't act like the wealthy were against them and I wish people would just grow up and be happy for someone who makes more instead of jealous, they deserve extra stuff too ya know (like tax cuts).

Whats your input?

[ackmedsgirl666]

its stupid.... because as your stating china is the wealthier country. and i do agree on that. hell theyve made the ipod(even though its created by apple) theres a bunch of shit even ps3's
basically when you combine 2 million dollar nations together is causes chaos. lets just leave it at that. you will end up having government debates and lectures... and ugh it;ll cause alot of drama

[Sugaree]

America will never see many manufacturing jobs again because China has their manufacturing workers under such tight control. It's cheap for companies like Apple and Microsoft to just send jobs over there because the workers don't bitch for more pay. That's the name of the game: money. American workers are so over-privileged these days and won't accept the fact that they're getting paid more than the average foreign worker, yet they still want more. A Romney administration won't change that.

[Cicero]

its stupid.... because as your stating china is the wealthier country. and i do agree on that. hell theyve made the ipod(even though its created by apple) theres a bunch of shit even ps3's
basically when you combine 2 million dollar nations together is causes chaos. lets just leave it at that. you will end up having government debates and lectures... and ugh it;ll cause alot of drama

America will never see many manufacturing jobs again because China has their manufacturing workers under such tight control. It's cheap for companies like Apple and Microsoft to just send jobs over there because the workers don't bitch for more pay. That's the name of the game: money. American workers are so over-privileged these days and won't accept the fact that they're getting paid more than the average foreign worker, yet they still want more. A Romney administration won't change that.
woohoo people agree with me (which seems rare :P) :D But I believe that under Romney, it will encourage companies to bring some of those jobs back. Not fully, but maybe a few extra hundred jobs in certain places.

[Jean Poutine]

Under Romney, those corporations will wanna move back to America, because they wont be treated like theyre the enemy. Romney wants to remove all the unnecessary regulations, so it encourages corporations to bring the jobs back. Americans act like they deserve the jobs that are sent to China. I really dont know why. It's not like Americans founded that business (like Apple), no one deserves anything (except respect), so they don't deserve those jobs that are sent to China.


No they won't. Workers have rights in North America that dwarfs anything the Chinese can even dream of. Everything is so cheaply made in China because the unequal by nature relationship of an employer and an employee is not being tempered. Apple's Chinese subcontractors don't have to deal with unions, paid leave, strikes, pregnancy leave or anything like that. There are so many poor, rural people in China wanting a shot at city life that they can afford treating people like shit - if somebody quits or dies, there's another right around the corner who will take his place.

China is barely better right now than the ultra-capitalist Industrial Revolution era. There's a reason why legislation exists to protect the worker - because they can't fucking protect themselves! You know what China is doing right now? They're playing the petty slave market and I think it's high time the international community calls them on it. The standards of life of the Chinese elite are rising rapidly while workers are stuck doing 80 hours weeks, getting beat up by their employers at the slightest faux pas and getting paid a pittance to do so, pittance which is mostly taken by the employer in order to lodge them in rat-infested camps and feed them food you wouldn't even give your dog.

This is why everybody hates the rich. They do not have a single lick of human decency. Apple's directors didn't give a motherfucking shit that the company abuses, by all means, millions of people who have no better chance in life. They are directly contributing to this problem by outsourcing any manual labor to China, making the country powerful and the international community powerless to object to the grim life of the Chinese sweat shop worker. We shouldn't have to bend to those assholes, begging them to bring jobs back here in exchange for tax cuts. The whole fortunes of many company magnates are based on exploiting the weak. Americans do not deserve these jobs? Well, rich people do not deserve their tax cuts as long as they continue exploiting desperate, rural Chinese to scrape a buck. Where I'm from, usually, when you mistreat people you get fined or sent to jail, not given a pat on the back and a tax cut if you promise you won't do it again.

Better yet, those people who hold those jobs in China aren't against the wealthy and dont act like theyre against the wealthy and big corporations, why? Because theyre smart enough to know that they supply the majority of the jobs. They also work much harder than the majority of Americans do, because they know that that job is all theyve got.

Fuck no. They work much harder because EMPLOYERS IN CHINA ARE NOT EQUAL TO EMPLOYEES! THIS IS NOT AMERICA! What little legislation there is on worker's rights is unenforced. Where I live, it's illegal to ask an employee to pay for lodging directly attached to work unless it's a very modest fee. In China, they take whole paychecks away and force workers to live in slums. Where I live, the standard work week is 40 hours and any work beyond that is paid 50% more and always left to the choice of the employee. In China, they can force you to work 100 hours a week if they want and if you don't like it they'll beat you up or throw you out.

It is a fallacy of the highest order to say that Chinese workers are treated this way because they "respect the rich" or because they have a "stronger work ethic". No, they endure it because they have to, else the foreman will knock what teeth they have left out. Republicans always have this strange idea that an employer is equal in bargaining strength and power to the employee. Newsflash, NO THEY ARE NOT. The employer towers massively over the employee and this is why legislation exists to consecrate worker's rights, because workers have TINY FUCKING PENISES compared to employers, and this is also why rich people outsource their manufacturing work en masse to Chinese factories, because rich people want to tower over people who have no other choice and impose the rules of the game, something they cannot do in the US.

The employer having complete power over the employee in the relationship is the very, very basic tenet of labor law. Anybody saying otherwise is delusional and very possibly mentally retarded.

Also, for those people who want to say "The wealthy doesnt supply the majority of the jobs" then who else does? I've never seen a homeless person own a corporation or own a small business, I've rarely seen the lower class people/poverty stricken people open a big corporation or own a small business, and rarely have I seen a middle class person owning a small business and I've NEVER seen a middle class person own a corporation. Yes, the government does supply a lot of jobs. But they dont supply the majority of those jobs, corporations and small/large businesses are the ones who supply those jobs.

Another thing Republicans like hammering. Hey, what does it matter if corporations are big hirers? THE JOBS ARE NOT IN AMERICA, ARE NEVER COMING BACK IN AMERICA AND WILL NEVER SEE THE AMERICAN FLAG. Big corporations are not who the government should be supporting. Government should be supporting local businesses with a small or average hiring capacity, because God knows that for every Nike or Apple there are tens of thousands of sandwich shops, bars and other locally minded businesses. Where I live, out of 196,000 registered businesses in 1996, 191,000 had less than 100 employees. Big corporations aren't major hirers. The government and small companies are. THEY should get the tax breaks, not the rich.

Burger King/McDonalds/Arbies/Casinos/Auto Shops/Car Brands aren't owned by the government, theyre owned by people/majority holders of stock.

BZZT LEFT FIELD

It doesn't matter. Chains are franchises. Franchisees pay a certain amount of money to have the name hung on the building and have access to company suppliers. Over and done. You know who runs Burger King and McDonalds? Thousands and tens of thousands of the small businesses Romney is desperately trying to choke for the profit of assholes in jacket and ties who's only job is to dictate franchise policy and cash in checks. The tax cuts should go to the people actually running the business, not rubber-stamping CEOs.

So whats so bad with the wealthy getting tax breaks when they're the ones supplying hundreds/thousands of jobs?

Sounds cool when said like that until you realize companies over 100 employees were around 4% of all companies in Canada. Big business isn't doing anything of great significance, get over it.

Don't they deserve a little tax break now and again? Don't they deserve a little extra money? Also, the wealthy are the ones who buy multi million dollar homes, and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cars, and buy millions of dollars worth of businesses. Theyre the ones who supply jobs even in there personal life (maids, housekeepers, gardeners, accountants, etc). Damn, I wish people didn't act like the wealthy were against them and I wish people would just grow up and be happy for someone who makes more instead of jealous, they deserve extra stuff too ya know (like tax cuts).

The rich do not deserve jack shit. The rich are ruining this planet in the name of an ephemeral human invention, the rich are stomping all over humankind and stripping people at large of their dignity. The rich should rather be happy that the international community is such as it is, because employing a single sweat shop in the manufacturing of their bullshit hip products should be considered a crime against humanity. Apple should be brought before an international court and ordered to pay what the Chinese enduring this shit should have gotten in the first place. Corporations and greed are single-handedly keeping China, amongst many other places, stuck in the rampant capitalist bullshit the world knew during the Industrial Revolution. China is almost 400 years late to the party when it comes to labor legislation. Their government won't do shit because the rich are feeding them trillions of dollars and they like it. Our governments won't do shit because there is nothing we can do, lest the assholes pack up their toys and leave.

Corporations build their billions on the sweat and blood on indentured workers all over the world living a life that would make a Russian serf shake in his ushanka, and some idiots actually want to GIVE THEM SHIT? What the Hell is wrong with you people?

[Cicero]

No they won't. Workers have rights in North America that dwarfs anything the Chinese can even dream of. Everything is so cheaply made in China because the unequal by nature relationship of an employer and an employee is not being tempered. Apple's Chinese subcontractors don't have to deal with unions, paid leave, strikes, pregnancy leave or anything like that. There are so many poor, rural people in China wanting a shot at city life that they can afford treating people like shit - if somebody quits or dies, there's another right around the corner who will take his place.

China is barely better right now than the ultra-capitalist Industrial Revolution era. There's a reason why legislation exists to protect the worker - because they can't fucking protect themselves! You know what China is doing right now? They're playing the petty slave market and I think it's high time the international community calls them on it. The standards of life of the Chinese elite are rising rapidly while workers are stuck doing 80 hours weeks, getting beat up by their employers at the slightest faux pas and getting paid a pittance to do so, pittance which is mostly taken by the employer in order to lodge them in rat-infested camps and feed them food you wouldn't even give your dog.

This is why everybody hates the rich. They do not have a single lick of human decency. Apple's directors didn't give a motherfucking shit that the company abuses, by all means, millions of people who have no better chance in life. They are directly contributing to this problem by outsourcing any manual labor to China, making the country powerful and the international community powerless to object to the grim life of the Chinese sweat shop worker. We shouldn't have to bend to those assholes, begging them to bring jobs back here in exchange for tax cuts. The whole fortunes of many company magnates are based on exploiting the weak. Americans do not deserve these jobs? Well, rich people do not deserve their tax cuts as long as they continue exploiting desperate, rural Chinese to scrape a buck.



Fuck no. They work much harder because EMPLOYERS IN CHINA ARE NOT EQUAL TO EMPLOYEES! THIS IS NOT AMERICA! What little legislation there is on worker's rights is unenforced. Where I live, it's illegal to ask an employee to pay for lodging directly attached to work unless it's a very modest fee. In China, they take whole paychecks away and force workers to live in slums. Where I live, the standard work week is 40 hours and any work beyond that is paid 50% more and always left to the choice of the employee. In China, they can force you to work 100 hours a week if they want and if you don't like it they'll beat you up or throw you out.

It is a fallacy of the highest order to say that Chinese workers are treated this way because they "respect the rich" or because they have a "stronger work ethic". No, they endure it because they have to, else the foreman will knock what teeth they have left out. Republicans always have this strange idea that an employer is equal in bargaining strength and power to the employee. Newsflash, NO THEY ARE NOT. The employer towers massively over the employee and this is why legislation exists to consecrate worker's rights, because workers have TINY FUCKING PENISES compared to employers, and this is also why rich people outsource their manufacturing work en masse to Chinese factories, because rich people want to tower over people who have no other choice and impose the rules of the game, something they cannot do in the US.

The employer having complete power over the employee in the relationship is the very, very basic tenet of labor law. Anybody saying otherwise is delusional and very possibly mentally retarded.



Another thing Republicans like hammering. Hey, what does it matter if corporations are big hirers? THE JOBS ARE NOT IN AMERICA, ARE NEVER COMING BACK IN AMERICA AND WILL NEVER SEE THE AMERICAN FLAG. Big corporations are not who the government should be supporting. Government should be supporting local businesses with a small or average hiring capacity, because God knows that for every Nike or Apple there are tens of thousands of sandwich shops, bars and other locally minded businesses. Where I live, out of 196,000 registered businesses in 1996, 191,000 had less than 100 employees. Big corporations aren't major hirers. The government and small companies are. THEY should get the tax breaks, not the rich.



BZZT LEFT FIELD

It doesn't matter. Chains are franchises. Franchisees pay a certain amount of money to have the name hung on the building and have access to company suppliers. Over and done. You know who runs Burger King and McDonalds? Thousands and tens of thousands of the small businesses Romney is desperately trying to choke for the profit of assholes in jacket and ties who's only job is to dictate franchise policy and cash in checks. The tax cuts should go to the people actually running the business, not rubber-stamping CEOs.



Sounds cool when said like that until you realize companies over 100 employees were around 4% of all companies in Canada. Big business isn't doing anything of great significance, get over it.



The rich do not deserve jack shit. The rich are ruining this planet in the name of an ephemeral human invention, the rich are stomping all over humankind and stripping people at large of their dignity. The rich should rather be happy that the international community is such as it is, because employing a single sweat shop in the manufacturing of their bullshit hip products should be considered a crime against humanity. Apple should be brought before an international court and ordered to pay what the Chinese enduring this shit should have gotten in the first place. Corporations and greed are single-handedly keeping China, amongst many other places, stuck in the rampant capitalist bullshit the world knew during the Industrial Revolution. China is almost 400 years late to the party when it comes to labor legislation. Their government won't do shit because the rich are feeding them trillions of dollars and they like it. Our governments won't do shit because there is nothing we can do, lest the assholes pack up their toys and leave.

Corporations build their billions on the sweat and blood on indentured workers all over the world living a life that would make a Russian serf shake in his ushanka, and some idiots actually want to GIVE THEM SHIT? What the Hell is wrong with you people?

alright thats your belief, and i respect it. but i do not agree with it. the chinese are not forced to work at the factories, but they choose to. But the rich arent feeding the government trillions of dollars, the country has 281 billionairs, while the US has 400+ billionairs. If the worlds top 5 richest people were to give the government all theyre worth, it wouldn't even equal 1 trillion dollars. so the statement you give of "trillions of dollars and they like it" is simply untrue. Romney will also help small businesses. I'm not talkingabout Canada,I'm talking about America.

[Jean Poutine]

alright thats your belief, and i respect it. but i do not agree with it. the chinese are not forced to work at the factories, but they choose to. But the rich arent feeding the government trillions of dollars, the country has 281 billionairs, while the US has 400+ billionairs. If the worlds top 5 richest people were to give the government all theyre worth, it wouldn't even equal 1 trillion dollars. so the statement you give of "trillions of dollars and they like it" is simply untrue.

It's not a belief, it's fact. God is a belief; the sweatshop system and how abherrent it is, though - fact.

I do believe the American education system still isn't terrible to the point where they don't teach what "rural exodus" is, right? Millions of Chinese are coming to cities to try to hit a better life. For some, it works. Not for the vast majority.

Chinese workers do NOT choose to work and live in such squalid conditions. What didn't you understand about employers being in an unequal relationship with the employee? The employee has to work to live; the employer does NOT have to ensure the employee is humanely treated to generate a profit - the less they give in terms of worker's conditions the better off they are. Contracts occur as a result of a meeting of the wills of both parties, but work contracts are not typical contracts - they are adhesion contracts where the worker has no say as to the stipulations. The expression of his will is stifled and that is why every civilized country has dispositions protecting workers and consumers from adhesion contracts.

When law is not there to protect you, when you are an uneducated, typical rural Chinese person coming in the city out of sheer desperation, when your only opportunity to gain employment to feed and shelter yourself is working a sweat shop job, you cannot tell me that this is "choice". Nobody would knowingly choose living in an outhouse, eating shit and working for half a cent an hour, but when those terms are IMPOSED on you, and it's that or nothing...what can you do?

If the worlds top 5 richest people were to give the government all theyre worth, it wouldn't even equal 1 trillion dollars. so the statement you give of "trillions of dollars and they like it" is simply untrue.

Don't bullshit me. Everybody knows why China is growing so fast and it has everything to do with an undervalued currency and tons of exporting, exporting financed directly by outsourcing contracts from big corporations. China will not act to protect its workers because the sweatshop industry is simply raking in too much.

[SosbanFach]

So this really grinds my gears, because Americans wonder why they are moving to China. Americans now a days act like theyre against big corporations, and act like they hate the wealthy. Well, you know what? The wealthy, and corporations supply the majority of those jobs. When Steve Jobs moved his company to China in 2011, Obama asked him to move the jobs back to America, Jobs reply was
those jobs will never come back to America

Under Romney, those corporations will wanna move back to America, because they wont be treated like theyre the enemy. Romney wants to remove all the unnecessary regulations, so it encourages corporations to bring the jobs back. Americans act like they deserve the jobs that are sent to China. I really dont know why. It's not like Americans founded that business (like Apple), no one deserves anything (except respect), so they don't deserve those jobs that are sent to China.
Lastly, if i were a businessman, I would defnitly rather spend 10 cents an hour on 1 worker (China) vs 8 dollars an hour on 1 worker (America). Better yet, those people who hold those jobs in China aren't against the wealthy and dont act like theyre against the wealthy and big corporations, why? Because theyre smart enough to know that they supply the majority of the jobs. They also work much harder than the majority of Americans do, because they know that that job is all theyve got. Also, for those people who want to say "The wealthy doesnt supply the majority of the jobs" then who else does? I've never seen a homeless person own a corporation or own a small business, I've rarely seen the lower class people/poverty stricken people open a big corporation or own a small business, and rarely have I seen a middle class person owning a small business and I've NEVER seen a middle class person own a corporation. Yes, the government does supply a lot of jobs. But they dont supply the majority of those jobs, corporations and small/large businesses are the ones who supply those jobs. Burger King/McDonalds/Arbies/Casinos/Auto Shops/Car Brands aren't owned by the government, theyre owned by people/majority holders of stock. So whats so bad with the wealthy getting tax breaks when they're the ones supplying hundreds/thousands of jobs? Don't they deserve a little tax break now and again? Don't they deserve a little extra money? Also, the wealthy are the ones who buy multi million dollar homes, and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cars, and buy millions of dollars worth of businesses. Theyre the ones who supply jobs even in there personal life (maids, housekeepers, gardeners, accountants, etc). Damn, I wish people didn't act like the wealthy were against them and I wish people would just grow up and be happy for someone who makes more instead of jealous, they deserve extra stuff too ya know (like tax cuts).

Whats your input?

What you're saying looks to me to be utter nonsense. For a start, I don't understand:
Americans act like they deserve the jobs that are sent to China. I really dont know why. It's not like Americans founded that business (like Apple), no one deserves anything (except respect), so they don't deserve those jobs that are sent to China.

at all. It seems that you support the return of wide-scale manufacturing returning to the United States, yet at the same time don't feel that such industry is 'deserved' by American people.

I am also intrigued as to why you think Romney's coming to political power (perish the thought) will make a hapeth of difference. Romney does not, I believe, intend to abolish the minimum wage. I hope dearly that he has no intention to abolish workers rights to sick pay, maternity leave, compassionate leave, holidays and so on. In the countries to which manufacturing is moving (Brazil, China, Vietnam, Thailand, to name but four more well-known ones) these rights either do not exist formally at all, or are poorly regulated and underdeveloped. The minimum wage is low, but workers cannot strike, because an entire work force is clamouring at the door for that basic, poor-condition job. Get sick, get out. Injured at work, get out. Turn up late, get out. It's a very different world.

Besides all of that, there are safety standards. 'MEDCs' (for want of a better term) tend to have somewhat stringent rules, regular inspections, hygiene laws to adhere to and so on. 'LEDCs' lack comparable tests, giving the workers far inferior conditions, and, believe it or not, making it cheaper for the company. Why wouldn't they go there?

Lastly, if i were a businessman, I would defnitly rather spend 10 cents an hour on 1 worker (China) vs 8 dollars an hour on 1 worker (America). Better yet, those people who hold those jobs in China aren't against the wealthy and dont act like theyre against the wealthy and big corporations, why? Because theyre smart enough to know that they supply the majority of the jobs. They also work much harder than the majority of Americans do, because they know that that job is all theyve got.

With all due respect, this is incomprehensible gibberish. Either you are for abolition of the minimum wage, which is bizarre, or you are directly contradicting your original implication of wanting manufacturing industries to move to the US, which is equally perplexing. What you're on about with the Chinese factory worker's amiable relationship with their wealthy employer is not only highly doubtful, but also seems to suggest that they hold this relationship due to the supply of their (doubtless highly satisfying) job. The final sentence is also somewhat confusingly ambiguous. I am not clear as to whether you would remove the rights of an American employee, or some other strange solution.

[Cicero]

What you're saying looks to me to be utter nonsense. For a start, I don't understand:


at all. It seems that you support the return of wide-scale manufacturing returning to the United States, yet at the same time don't feel that such industry is 'deserved' by American people.

I am also intrigued as to why you think Romney's coming to political power (perish the thought) will make a hapeth of difference. Romney does not, I believe, intend to abolish the minimum wage. I hope dearly that he has no intention to abolish workers rights to sick pay, maternity leave, compassionate leave, holidays and so on. In the countries to which manufacturing is moving (Brazil, China, Vietnam, Thailand, to name but four more well-known ones) these rights either do not exist formally at all, or are poorly regulated and underdeveloped. The minimum wage is low, but workers cannot strike, because an entire work force is clamouring at the door for that basic, poor-condition job. Get sick, get out. Injured at work, get out. Turn up late, get out. It's a very different world.

Besides all of that, there are safety standards. 'MEDCs' (for want of a better term) tend to have somewhat stringent rules, regular inspections, hygiene laws to adhere to and so on. 'LEDCs' lack comparable tests, giving the workers far inferior conditions, and, believe it or not, making it cheaper for the company. Why wouldn't they go there?



With all due respect, this is incomprehensible gibberish. Either you are for abolition of the minimum wage, which is bizarre, or you are directly contradicting your original implication of wanting manufacturing industries to move to the US, which is equally perplexing. What you're on about with the Chinese factory worker's amiable relationship with their wealthy employer is not only highly doubtful, but also seems to suggest that they hold this relationship due to the supply of their (doubtless highly satisfying) job. The final sentence is also somewhat confusingly ambiguous. I am not clear as to whether you would remove the rights of an American employee, or some other strange solution.

it did make sense.

but ill explain it differently.
Americans act as if they hate the wealthy, and hate factories. yet they are mad that those jobs are being sent to china. americans are just overly spoiled, and they believe that anything/everything that came from America is entitled to them before anyone else. when they did have those factory jobs, they complained and wanted more money and benefits. so when factories go to another country, they not only have people who work hard, but they dont bitch about how much they get payed, and they dont cause problems for that company (ie. protesting, whining and complaining). as another benefit, they dont have to pay someone 8 bucks an hour, for them to protest, and complain about theyre pay, and they also dont have to worry about the (american) government acting like theyre against the wealthy and big corporations.

so imagine this
your parents give you a 30 dollar%2

[Sugaree]

Jesus, Rick. Think about what you're saying. You're telling us that corporations are on the same level as a singular person when they have more power than anyone can have. You put it out so blatantly, yet you deny it at the same time.

Think for a minute. Do you really think, if you were the typical Chinese worker, laboring for less than 5 cents an hour, and working 80 to 100 hours a week, forced to live in slums, and eat hardly anything with substance, would you be saying that corporations deserve tax breaks? That they deserve "extra stuff"?

It's not the fact that America is against wealthy people; we're against wealthy people who blatantly abuse the labor system for financial gain and get the government on their side to become untouchable. You can not justify to me why a corporation like McDonald's or a Las Vegas casino deserves the tax breaks they get now. You can not justify why Apple shouldn't be tried in international court for their abuses against their Chinese factory workers.

You are so willing to bend over and take big corporation cock that it just frightens me. People with your ideas shouldn't be in power, much less even run for political office. If anything, a Romney administration will squeeze out the middle class and decapitate the small businesses that this country depends on. America doesn't NEED big corporations to keep it going, just like we don't need government regulation making it harder for small businesses to be established.

American workers also don't deserve anything. You don't realize how lucky you are to be in a nation with established labor laws that give you a more even playing field than a Chinese worker will ever hope to have. I hate people in this country who feel that jobs or health care are OWED to them and have made no effort to earn it on their own. That's why I hate programs like Welfare, because it promotes dependence and laziness among the public. I only support Welfare in the most extreme cases where someone can't get a job, has a poor education, or is in some form of debt. Yet you obviously think that you DESERVE a job, that you DESERVE everything this nation has to offer, when you don't even deserve the clothes you're wearing right now.

The only thing you deserve in America is what the Constitution guarantees to all citizens. You don't deserve a job, you have a right to go out and get one on your own; you don't deserve health care, you have a right to buy your own medical care; you don't deserve to live here, you have a right to leave whenever you want. Finally, you don't deserve to defend the rich and take their big fat dicks, you have the right to choose if they go in bareback or wear a rubber.

And don't use my first post to justify your posts; you obviously didn't get the point, and you're trying to get others to agree with you. I never agreed with you in the first place, but you casually strolled past that.

[Cicero]

Jesus, Rick. Think about what you're saying. You're telling us that corporations are on the same level as a singular person when they have more power than anyone can have. You put it out so blatantly, yet you deny it at the same time.

Think for a minute. Do you really think, if you were the typical Chinese worker, laboring for less than 5 cents an hour, and working 80 to 100 hours a week, forced to live in slums, and eat hardly anything with substance, would you be saying that corporations deserve tax breaks? That they deserve "extra stuff"?

It's not the fact that America is against wealthy people; we're against wealthy people who blatantly abuse the labor system for financial gain and get the government on their side to become untouchable. You can not justify to me why a corporation like McDonald's or a Las Vegas casino deserves the tax breaks they get now. You can not justify why Apple shouldn't be tried in international court for their abuses against their Chinese factory workers.

You are so willing to bend over and take big corporation cock that it just frightens me. People with your ideas shouldn't be in power, much less even run for political office. If anything, a Romney administration will squeeze out the middle class and decapitate the small businesses that this country depends on. America doesn't NEED big corporations to keep it going, just like we don't need government regulation making it harder for small businesses to be established.

American workers also don't deserve anything. You don't realize how lucky you are to be in a nation with established labor laws that give you a more even playing field than a Chinese worker will ever hope to have. I hate people in this country who feel that jobs or health care are OWED to them and have made no effort to earn it on their own. That's why I hate programs like Welfare, because it promotes dependence and laziness among the public. I only support Welfare in the most extreme cases where someone can't get a job, has a poor education, or is in some form of debt. Yet you obviously think that you DESERVE a job, that you DESERVE everything this nation has to offer, when you don't even deserve the clothes you're wearing right now.

The only thing you deserve in America is what the Constitution guarantees to all citizens. You don't deserve a job, you have a right to go out and get one on your own; you don't deserve health care, you have a right to buy your own medical care; you don't deserve to live here, you have a right to leave whenever you want. Finally, you don't deserve to defend the rich and take their big fat dicks, you have the right to choose if they go in bareback or wear a rubber.

And don't use my first post to justify your posts; you obviously didn't get the point, and you're trying to get others to agree with you. I never agreed with you in the first place, but you casually strolled past that.

The only thing you deserve in America is what the Constitution guarantees to all citizens. You don't deserve a job, you have a right to go out and get one on your own; you don't deserve health care, you have a right to buy your own medical care; you don't deserve to live here, you have a right to leave whenever you want. Finally, you don't deserve to defend the rich and take their big fat dicks, you have the right to choose if they go in bareback or wear a rubber.

I agree. I believe no one is entitled to anything except respect and the constitution. I basically agree with almost everything you said.

[Sugaree]

I agree. I believe no one is entitled to anything except respect and the constitution. I basically agree with almost everything you said.

But you don't agree that you're shoving worker's rights out the window?

[Cicero]

But you don't agree that you're shoving worker's rights out the window?

i believe workers deserve clean areas to work around so they wont get sick.

[Sugaree]

i believe workers deserve clean areas to work around so they wont get sick.

And that's it? They don't deserve a level playing field with their employer? They don't deserve to have equal protection under the law as their employer? I'm not going to keep asking these questions; you're a big boy, tell us what you believe workers deserve.

[ImCoolBeans]

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