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LoveMe_HateMe
October 15th, 2012, 06:50 PM
Is it right for religious people to use their religion as an answer to everything? Like for gay rights, abortions etc?
I suppose technically I'm a Christian as I have been christened, however I see myself more as an atheist and believe in the evolution theory, rather than god created the world.
Don't get me wrong, people have the right to believe in whatever they want, but is it right that they use their religion to back up their answers to everything?
Just curious in what people think :)
Eliza Snark
October 15th, 2012, 07:58 PM
I'm not quite sure what you're asking when you say "Is it right," but here's my two cents. I personally don't believe in any spiritual/religious things, but I don't view them very differently from, say, political or ethical ideologies. If someone really does get all their knowledge of the world from one source, I feel bad for them, but they're free to look at the world through whatever lens they like.
Freiheit
October 15th, 2012, 08:01 PM
it's not a matter of what is right or what is not right. Some people do it and some people don't. you can't change anyone but yourself, so don't go around changing other people. There will be religious-Talibans and if you don't like them, then just ignore them.
Haufen
October 15th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Is it right
Protip for life: Childish naive concepts such as 'right' and 'wrong' don't mean anything, it all comes down to weak and strong in life.
Gigablue
October 15th, 2012, 08:10 PM
Do they have the right to? Yes. Should they? I don't think so.
Decisions should be based on logic and evidence. So far, no religion can demonstrate that, therefore, no religion should be used to make such important decisions. Should people be able to believe what they want? Yes. But their beliefs shouldn't be used to make important decisions that affect all of society.
Eliza Snark
October 15th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Protip for life: Childish naive concepts such as 'right' and 'wrong' don't mean anything, it all comes down to weak and strong.
That seems a lot more childish in my opinion.
Haufen
October 15th, 2012, 08:15 PM
That seems a lot more childish in my opinion.
How so? Do you truly believe in some magic concept floating around that points at things people say and do and says "Right!" or "Wrong!"?
LoveMe_HateMe
October 15th, 2012, 08:16 PM
it's not a matter of what is right or what is not right. Some people do it and some people don't. you can't change anyone but yourself, so don't go around changing other people. There will be religious-Talibans and if you don't like them, then just ignore them.
I'm not going around changing other people, I believe that everyone has a right to make their own decisions.
Protip for life: Childish naive concepts such as 'right' and 'wrong' don't mean anything, it all comes down to weak and strong in life.
Okay so I used the wrong word, so what? No need to be like that about it.
Do they have the right to? Yes. Should they? I don't think so.
Decisions should be based on logic and evidence. So far, no religion can demonstrate that, therefore, no religion should be used to make such important decisions. Should people be able to believe what they want? Yes. But their beliefs shouldn't be used to make important decisions that affect all of society.
Thank you! This is/was the kind of answer I was looking for :)
Eliza Snark
October 15th, 2012, 08:18 PM
How so? Do you truly believe in some magic concept floating around that points at things people say and do and says "Right!" or "Wrong!"?
No, I agree with you that right and wrong are a poor way of looking at things. I was just pointing out that I think your alternative sounds even less insightful. I'm not even entirely sure what you mean when you say "it all comes down to weak and strong." Could you elaborate on that please?
Freiheit
October 15th, 2012, 08:21 PM
I'm not going around changing other people, I believe that everyone has a right to make their own decisions.
But you think that it is wrong, or that it is not right for people to make decisions based on religion. And it's not exactly wrong, it's more inefficient. (puritans, syria, iran, pakistan) It causes conflict when people bring religion into secular matters.
Haufen
October 15th, 2012, 08:23 PM
Could you elaborate on that please?
Ultimately, everything in life comes down to weakness and strength.
Think of things like "The winner writes history" and "It is not right that matters, but victory"
Right, wrong, evil, good are all irrelevant and meaningless. Just think about it and you'll understand it.
Eliza Snark
October 15th, 2012, 08:24 PM
(puritans, syria, iran, pakistan) It causes conflict when people bring religion into secular matters.
In regards to the Middle East: The problems in that region have a lot more to do with complicated geopolitical conflicts and cultural differences than just religion. Not to derail things too much, but I just feel it necessary to point out that Islam is not the end-all and be-all of current events in that part of the world.
Ultimately, everything in life comes down to weakness and strength.
Think of things like "The winner writes history".
You're just repeating what you said before and not really explaining it in any coherent manner that I can understand.
LoveMe_HateMe
October 15th, 2012, 08:25 PM
But you think that it is wrong, or that it is not right for people to make decisions based on religion. And it's not exactly wrong, it's more inefficient. (puritans, syria, iran, pakistan) It causes conflict when people bring religion into secular matters.
I'm really not doing very well with my choice of words tonight.
I don't necessarily think it's wrong, I just believe that not every decision should be based purely on religion.
If that even makes sense...
Freiheit
October 15th, 2012, 08:27 PM
I'm really not doing very well with my choice of words tonight.
I don't necessarily think it's wrong, I just believe that not every decision should be based purely on religion.
If that even makes sense...
Then i agree with you.
Haufen
October 15th, 2012, 08:29 PM
You're just repeating what you said before and not really explaining it in any coherent manner that I can understand.
Sorry, I'm a bit drunk, I'll see if I can explain it tomorrow.
NotYourSombrero
October 15th, 2012, 10:00 PM
They can do whatever they want to but everyone should have there own opinions not based on their religious backgrounds.
FreeFall
October 15th, 2012, 11:58 PM
I don't know if it's right or if it's wrong really, my opinion's a bit blurred.
I think it's wrong because not everyone has the same belief. To ban abortion because God says it's bad is wrong to impose the religious aspect of their thought over millions of people.
But this is what they believe. To them, somehow, it's a logical reasoning and fits into their order. It's like a little safety net they fall into. Just like those that can argue with rights, logic, that's what we believe but to different people of different mind sets, different things is what shapes their thoughts. If that makes sense.
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