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Washtie
October 13th, 2012, 11:27 PM
What are your opinions on gay rights around the world? Any opinions welcome! :D
West Coast Sheriff
October 13th, 2012, 11:29 PM
Gay people are people to and deserve the same rights as straight people. :D
Daracon
October 13th, 2012, 11:31 PM
It should be allowed, even the ancient Greeks allowed gay marriage it seems this world is going more backwards than forwards at times.
LouBerry
October 13th, 2012, 11:45 PM
I think that gays should be able to have rights, but I do not think that they should have a marriage ceremony. They should be able to have a union, and be legally united in that way, have rights like spouses and all that.
Cicero
October 13th, 2012, 11:48 PM
I think that gays should be able to have rights, but I do not think that they should have a marriage ceremony. They should be able to have a union, and be legally united in that way, have rights like spouses and all that.
I partly agree with this.
I think the marriage ceremony is more of a religious thing, so I believe that the individual churchs have the right to say yes or no. The government shouldn't ever force a church to marry someone against that churchs will.
LouBerry
October 13th, 2012, 11:50 PM
^Yes, exactly.
Jess
October 14th, 2012, 08:54 AM
Marriage isn't supposed to be religious....no, a church shouldn't be forced to marry someone against their will, but that doesn't mean gays shouldn't be able to marry. They don't have to marry in a church.
I'm pretty much Pro-LGBT rights. They deserve the same rights as straights, like being able to marry.
Hypers
October 14th, 2012, 08:58 AM
Gays should have their rights. They should be proud that they like who they like, regardless of gender. As for marriages, they don't always have to be really religious. You could always have your own wedding party at your own house.
Haufen
October 14th, 2012, 10:21 AM
Churches shouldn't be forced to marry gay people, but the state should.
That's no problem here though, since churches don't have the power to conduct official marriages and because of that most people have 2 marriages, one ceremonial in the church, and one official-recognised-by-the-state one in the townhall.
I'm on the fence about the right of gay couples to adopt children though.
FreeFall
October 14th, 2012, 11:38 AM
They're humans, they just have love some cranky people don't agree with. Doesn't sound right to deny people rights because they have a "different" love.
The Mockingjay
October 14th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Being gay myself, I naturally support my own rights. There is no evidence to say that gay marriage and equal rights will effect society in a negative way, in fact I'd say gay people being discriminated against divides us, makes us less united and happy as a species. Churches should have the right to marry who they decide, but legal marriage should be allowed everywhere and homophobia should be cracked down on harshly by the law. African or Asian countries should be put under pressure to stop the death penalty for homosexuality by the withdrawal of international aid and charity.
Bath
October 14th, 2012, 11:54 AM
I don't think anyone should be denied any rights because of their sexuality.
Bangarang
October 15th, 2012, 10:50 AM
Gay rights are human rights. It's like debating about "black rights" or "women's rights" - anything other than equality is discrimination against a specific part of society.
I'm glad that my country (Scotland) is introducing same-sex marriage within the next few years :)
Apollo.
October 15th, 2012, 11:40 AM
Gay rights should just be the same rights as everyone else's rights, no matter where you live, what race you are, what gender you are or what sexuality you are everyone should be treated the same in my eyes.
Human
October 15th, 2012, 01:17 PM
Why should there be separate rights? Why not treat every person as a person
Lyra Heartstrings
October 15th, 2012, 03:22 PM
Churches shouldn't be forced to marry gay people, but the state should.
That's no problem here though, since churches don't have the power to conduct official marriages and because of that most people have 2 marriages, one ceremonial in the church, and one official-recognised-by-the-state one in the townhall.
I'm on the fence about the right of gay couples to adopt children though.
May I ask..why?
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I don't see why somebody cares who I marry. Of course gays should be able to get married.
ArsenicCatNip
October 15th, 2012, 05:26 PM
But same-sex marriage is legal. Assuming we're talking about the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#United_States
same-sex couples can legally marry in six states (Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont) and the District of Columbia and receive state-level benefits.
Also as well as Maryland and Washington but they're not in effect yet.
FreeFall
October 15th, 2012, 06:21 PM
But same-sex marriage is legal. Assuming we're talking about the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#United_States
Also as well as Maryland and Washington but they're not in effect yet.
What? You're not calling that a nice little "oh well gay marriage is legal so knock off the gay rights" thing, are you?
That's 6 out of 50 states. There's 44 other states with a bunch of people that are being denied the right to marriage.
Unless every single person in the U.S. that wants to marry someone the same sex as them, is ok with moving and living in those 6 states, I say the fight continues.
LoveMe_HateMe
October 15th, 2012, 06:29 PM
Everyone is equal. No matter about their sexuality, race, colour, sex, gender etc. That's how I see it anyway. It's how I've been brought up and I stick to it.
Gay marriage should never of been made illegal and I think we deserve the right to be legally seen as being married to our partners without it being seen as a civil partnership.
And well, yeah, I'm going to support my own rights xD but before I discovered that I was a lesbian I still supported the gay community.
Dimitri
October 15th, 2012, 06:33 PM
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Haufen
October 15th, 2012, 07:44 PM
That's how I see it anyway. It's how I've been brought up and I stick to it.
Pretty close minded to just blindly follow what your authority figures taught you just because they are authority figures.
Freiheit
October 15th, 2012, 07:54 PM
What are your opinions on gay rights around the world? Any opinions welcome! :D
I think morally, that the government (U.S) have no right to be infringing on the right to marry someone. I mean, marriage comes from religion and the government is a secular branch of life. They should not intervene in religion. (Things get messy when they do; Ex: Middle-East) So as far as justice and what is morally sound, gay people deserve to marry as they like, and enjoy other privileges that heterosexual couples have.
As far as hate crimes and other such...People have a right to discriminate and to be racist. They have a right to have an opinion. I mean society is fucked up but what's more fucked up is the u.s government trying to control other people into being "nice" and "civil".
So, gay people deserve to have the same legal rights as married couples but the government should not try to control the general society's opinion on them.
Haufen
October 15th, 2012, 08:03 PM
As far as hate crimes and other such...People have a right to discriminate and to be racist. They have a right to have an opinion. I mean society is fucked up but what's more fucked up is the u.s government trying to control other people into being "nice" and "civil".
The US is probably the country with a government that least does this.
Don't know where you are from, but check out Europe (in specific European Union countries) and you will see a lot of groups, parties and organizations that would love to indoctrinate 'being tolerant', God forbid you have a different opinion because then they will brand you as evil, Nazi, fascist, crazy, lunatic, racist, unintelligent etc etc. Despite them claiming to be tolerant to everyone.
LoveMe_HateMe
October 15th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Pretty close minded to just blindly follow what your authority figures taught you just because they are authority figures.
So because I treat everyone as equals and accept people for who they are - that makes me close minded and blindly following my authority figures?
I'm sorry, but please explain that? I've always had pride in the fact that I'm very open minded and judge people on their personalities and not looks or background. I think you should 're-read my post and not just quote certain bits out of it that look completely out of context when put on their own.
Freiheit
October 15th, 2012, 08:11 PM
The US is probably the country with a government that least does this.
Don't know where you are from, but check out Europe (in specific European Union countries) and you will see a lot of groups, parties and organizations that would love to indoctrinate 'being tolerant', God forbid you have a different opinion because then they will brand you as evil, Nazi, fascist, crazy, lunatic, racist, unintelligent etc etc. Despite them claiming to be tolerant to everyone earlier.
In my opinion, the U.S is pretty screwed economically. Socially, I doubt any of the candidates really care too much. Obama says he's for gay rights only because he has to because it's a democrat/liberal stance. Mitt Romney says the opposite because he has to as well. Nothing is gonna happen if neither of them really care.
The problem I have with some gay rights activists is how they try to push their ideas onto other people. I consider myself neither liberal or conservative, I prefer to just know the facts. At one point, I lived in USA, in California which is quite liberal and my middle school principle was lesbian and she'd have assembly after assembly on bullying, gay rights...She did this to such an excess that it made people who are normally tolerant of gays start to dislike gays. I think society's discrimination is an issue but in the light of things, it's quite minor. Homosexuality is becoming pretty normal so I think that in time, people will come to accept gays.
Haufen
October 15th, 2012, 08:32 PM
she'd have assembly after assembly on bullying, gay rights...She did this to such an excess that it made people who are normally tolerant of gays start to dislike gays.
Welcome to the life of a European. Except that it's not really gays here but 'minorities', to put it in the terms of the politically correct establishment that does all this.
Eliza Snark
October 15th, 2012, 08:36 PM
I'm all for the right of churches and religious institutions to deny marriage to whomever they please, but I don't understand why religious institutions that are in favor of same-sex marriage (like the United Church here in Canada) are legally barred from marrying same-sex couples.
ArsenicCatNip
October 16th, 2012, 12:47 AM
What? You're not calling that a nice little "oh well gay marriage is legal so knock off the gay rights" thing, are you?
That's 6 out of 50 states. There's 44 other states with a bunch of people that are being denied the right to marriage.
Unless every single person in the U.S. that wants to marry someone the same sex as them, is ok with moving and living in those 6 states, I say the fight continues.
I never said that... At all. I was only pointing out that it wasn't banned in some states, even then I highly doubt all 50 states will come to an agreement on it anytime soon I just see it as an achievement. Also it's 8 states not 6. Maryland and Washington haven't put it into effect yet.
FreeFall
October 16th, 2012, 08:51 AM
I never said that... At all. I was only pointing out that it wasn't banned in some states, even then I highly doubt all 50 states will come to an agreement on it anytime soon I just see it as an achievement. Also it's 8 states not 6. Maryland and Washington haven't put it into effect yet.
If it's not in effect at this moment, meaning the people are still waiting, 6.
If they just put it into effect right now and there's like 4 homosexual weddings taking place, 8.
It may not be banned in some states, but 6 or 8, is still a pathetically small number in comparison to the entire country. It is an achievement in its on way, at least it's not 0, but there's still a long ways to go.
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