gay

[wolf man]

ok i opaliagize if i ofend some one but how and when did being gay become bad
the bible say gay marriege is wrong not being gay

[fergie1]

*face palm*

[DerBear]

This defiantly has nothing to do with puberty

Puberty for Boys :arrow2: TWPR

[Lyra Heartstrings]

..Being gay was never wrong. Bible thumpers think gay marriage is wrong. Only.
BIBLE.
THUMPERS.

[Jess]

ok i opaliagize if i ofend some one but how and when did being gay become bad
the bible say gay marriege is wrong not being gay

In the Bible it says if a man lies with a man (and a woman with a woman I think - someone correct if I'm wrong), it is an abomination.

....and of course, so is eating pork, wearing two different fabrics etc

Not sure how and when being gay became bad, but somehow it did (to some people, like bible thumpers/religious extremists, homophobes). But like Lyra said, it was NEVER wrong...the Romans did it, didn't they?

[Mob Boss]

The bible also says tattoos are wrong - if that's the case I plan on being a serious sinner. There's been studies that show people are born with their sexual orientation; it's hardwired and can't be changed. So, telling someone to not be themself because a book written hundreds and hundreds of years ago, that we're all supposed to apply to our lives today, says it's wrong ...is ridiculous. Life is too short to spend it being someone else because it's looked down upon to be who you are. Who gives a frack what the bible says? (No offense) I don't.
/EndofEmotionalDr.PhilSegment.

[West Coast Sheriff]

I'm a catholic and would say there is nothing wrong with someone being gay. I was raised being taught it was wrong but I know a lot of great gay people. So i can say i believe it is okay. It is a persons choice what they want to to with their body. If other people want to ink their body up ( like I plan on doing) its their own choice. People have a choice to do what they want with their bodies. If I want to cut myself it's my own body and I can do it if I want. If gay people want to sleep with people of their same sex it's their body, therefor their choice. :D

[Danny_boi 16]

The Bible says a lot of crazy stuff. I'm Roman Catholic so I've read it several times like from beginning to end. There is nothing wrong with being gay. Not at all.

[Sleepy Raisin]

The bible also says tattoos are wrong - if that's the case I plan on being a serious sinner.

The bible was written hundreds of years ago, just like it says women talking out of place is wrong. However we live in a new generation and many of these principles have been changed.

Homosexuality is becoming more and more accepted in todays society, however there will always be those that believe, not necessarily that its a sin to be gay, but that homosexuality is not up to the person but.. Greater forces beyond the Earthly realm.

[ArsenicCatNip]

In the Bible it says if a man lies with a man (and a woman with a woman I think - someone correct if I'm wrong), it is an abomination.

....and of course, so is eating pork, wearing two different fabrics etc

Not sure how and when being gay became bad, but somehow it did (to some people, like bible thumpers/religious extremists, homophobes). But like Lyra said, it was NEVER wrong...the Romans did it, didn't they?

Not sure on the Fabric thing, but it's only wrong in judaism to eat pork. If that were the case you'd see way more Kosher stuff.:lol:

But regardless the Bible is more or less an interpretation on what was considered wrong for its time in society. For instance the 7 Deadly Sins. Sloth was originally being depressed(as in sad) but it has changed to being lazy.

[Bath]

It's all in how people interpret their religious texts. I rarely know of people that don't like LGBTness just because they think it's wrong without a religious reason.

It's just humanity overthinking and determining they know all the answers. Again.

[Foamy]

ok i opaliagize if i ofend some one but how and when did being gay become bad
the bible say gay marriege is wrong not being gay

Don't listen to the bible. Gay marriage and being gay was never bad. Sadly, some people don't see it the way we do. [-]coughcough romney[/-]

[SilentCutter]

i suppose they think its wrong cuz u can't reproduce. honesty there is nothing wrong with being gay. i think its awesome! :)

[Sleepy Raisin]

Don't listen to the bible. Gay marriage and being gay was never bad. Sadly, some people don't see it the way we do. [-]coughcough romney[/-]

As true as that may be, Mitt Romney still won the presidental debate, so dont be hatin'

[Swagamemmnon]

ok i opaliagize if i ofend some one but how and when did being gay become bad
the bible say gay marriege is wrong not being gay

It was around the 14th century in europe. Before that gay marriages were performed in churches but in the 1300's it shifted and became more homophobic.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

Look, if you believe in the Bible, then you believe homosexuality is wrong. If you don't believe in the Bible, then you most likely are ok with homosexuality.

The Old Testament followed the law of Moses which included the rule that homosexuality and tattoos were wrong. When Jesus came, he said that the law of Moses would no longer be needed and addressed all the issues with the law, but the rule for homsexuality and tattoos was not changed. So if you believe in Christ, you most likely believe in those rules. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. That's your choice.

Yes, some Romans practiced homosexuality. Romans also captured foreigners and made them fight to the death as slaves in the Colloseum. Does the fact that the Romans did things make it right? That's not a good argument.

Right or wrong, it all comes down to your beliefs. You are an agent to choose and act, not to be chosen for and acted upon.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

Look, if you believe in the Bible, then you believe homosexuality is wrong. If you don't believe in the Bible, then you most likely are ok with homosexuality.

The Old Testament followed the law of Moses which included the rule that homosexuality and tattoos were wrong. When Jesus came, he said that the law of Moses would no longer be needed and addressed all the issues with the law, but the rule for homsexuality and tattoos was not changed. So if you believe in Christ, you most likely believe in those rules. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. That's your choice.

Yes, some Romans practiced homosexuality. Romans also captured foreigners and made them fight to the death as slaves in the Colloseum. Does the fact that the Romans did things make it right? That's not a good argument.

Right or wrong, it all comes down to your beliefs. You are an agent to choose and act, not to be chosen for and acted upon.

I'm gay and I'm religious. How you interpret the bible and it's passages has everything to do with what you believe is right and wrong. You can even believe being gay and gay marriage is wrong and still be gay. If not, one might believe being gay is a choice, which it certainly is not.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

You know what I find strange? That gays demand equality and freedom in some things, and reject it in others. Gays demand that they deserve the freedom to be gay and to marry gay, but are completely fine with saying they don't have the freedom to choose their sexuality.

Let me ask those of you who are gay a question. Would it be all that horrible if it was a choice? If after all this fighting we find out that it is a choice, does it really change anything? You will still be gay, I will still be straight. So what if it's a choice. That gives you the freedom to be who you are and it gives me the freedom to be who I am. Our choices make us who we are. Why is sexuality any different?

[ShatteredWings]

^^that made no logical sense whatsoever

[Bath]

Would it be all that horrible if it was a choice? If after all this fighting we find out that it is a choice, does it really change anything?

Um.

You will still be gay, I will still be straight.

Then it wouldn't be a choice.

[Jess]

i suppose they think its wrong cuz u can't reproduce. honesty there is nothing wrong with being gay. i think its awesome! :)

If that's a reason, then it's stupid. If they think that, we should ask them about couples who can't, or don't want to, have children.

^^that made no logical sense whatsoever

agreed.

[SilentCutter]

If that's a reason, then it's stupid. If they think that, we should ask them about couples who can't, or don't want to, have children.



agreed.

I know it is stupid, its just something ive been told by a few christians.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

Um.



Then it wouldn't be a choice.

Yes it would. What I'm saying here is that if it's proven to be a choice, is that going to change you? If you've been gay and proclaiming "This is who I am!", will it being a choice change the way you live? Probably not. You will continue living the life you choose to live and so will I. All I am saying here is that if your gay, don't hide behind "My DNA makes me like this!". Own up to what you do and how you feel. If you aren't proud of it or don't want it, then change. It is always up to you when it comes to who you are.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

Yes it would. What I'm saying here is that if it's proven to be a choice, is that going to change you? If you've been gay and proclaiming "This is who I am!", will it being a choice change the way you live? Probably not. You will continue living the life you choose to live and so will I. All I am saying here is that if your gay, don't hide behind "My DNA makes me like this!". Own up to what you do and how you feel. If you aren't proud of it or don't want it, then change. It is always up to you when it comes to who you are.

Look dude, it's not a fucking choice. If it were, I would be straight right now.

Even if its proven it's not passed down via genetics does not mean it's by choice. There are many reasons that could influence someone to be gay and they are currently under review.

Do you think I choose to be ridiculed? Do you think I choose to be outcasted by my society? Do you not think if I could change all that and avoid it I wouldn't?

I'm ashamed of my sexuality, but I know I cannot change who I am inside, no more than you could choose to change yours. And btw, I don't think any gays "hide behind my dna makes me like this". Most of the gays I know, including myself, have accepted we do not know why we are this way. There could be many reasons, but don't act like you know any better than we do.

[Apollo.]

You know what I find strange? That gays demand equality and freedom in some things, and reject it in others. Gays demand that they deserve the freedom to be gay and to marry gay, but are completely fine with saying they don't have the freedom to choose their sexuality.

Let me ask those of you who are gay a question. Would it be all that horrible if it was a choice? If after all this fighting we find out that it is a choice, does it really change anything? You will still be gay, I will still be straight. So what if it's a choice. That gives you the freedom to be who you are and it gives me the freedom to be who I am. Our choices make us who we are. Why is sexuality any different?
Because sexuality is not a choice... That's what makes it different! If it were a choice would gay kids be cutting and feeling suicidal because of it? No they would just change. Simple fact is gay people cannot change themselves if they could my life would be a whole lot easier!

[huntersteele11]

mabe i am stupid but who would chose to be gay if they didnt have to? i dont mean that in a bad way but just sayin it has to be a hard life compared to being straight so wouldnt most people chose to do whats easier if they did have a choice?

[wolf man]

ok know what i ment was why is it baed being gay people call others gay for an insult

[ArsenicCatNip]

Yes it would. What I'm saying here is that if it's proven to be a choice, is that going to change you? If you've been gay and proclaiming "This is who I am!", will it being a choice change the way you live? Probably not. You will continue living the life you choose to live and so will I. All I am saying here is that if your gay, don't hide behind "My DNA makes me like this!". Own up to what you do and how you feel. If you aren't proud of it or don't want it, then change. It is always up to you when it comes to who you are.

By proven you mean the ol' "What I say is a fact" because I'd love to see this proof. If it were a choice that would imply gays have feelings for the opposite sex, you obviously have no friends that are because they tell me they just can't love a woman. You don't have a say in the matter over your sexuality, if anything it's subconscious.

[Lost in the Echo]

The bible says all kinds of shit, but that doesn't make it true. If there is really a "god" , then he will accept gays into heaven, as long as they are decent and caring human beings ( same as anybody, straight, bi, tranny ect. ). Your orientation shouldn't matter, as long as you're a good person, i'm cool with gay people, and i'm straight. A lot of my friends who I talk to regularly on VT are gay, and they're cool as fuck. Over 50% of the shit in the bible sounds like bullshit to me ( just my opinion ), especially the part about gays going to hell, why would you send someone who is awesome as fuck to hell, just because they're gay? It's stupid, I don't believe it's true. If heaven does exist, then I think you'll get into it if you at least try your best to be a decent person.

[Noxail]

Honestly, this arguing is pointless. No, I don't choose to love both genders, but I choose to kiss my girlfriend in public. I can act any fucking way I want to, but the way I feel is totally different. And the dude saying that we choose to be gay, and hide behind "our DNA made us this way" Are you stupid? You think we choose to be shunned, judged, bullied, beaten and even killed? Go make a gay friend. You can't decide who you love. :rolleyes:

And to the OP, being gay isn't wrong, it's just not accepted. There have always been gays, and there always will be gays. It's no worse than being female, or having blue eyes. ~holli

[Harry Smith]

In history we use sources to validate our arguments. In histrocial content the bible is a document that was written a very long time ago, meaning that it is harder to prove that it is valid. Also the Bible can be looked at in a number of ways, little know fact the dutch reform church used quotes from the Bible to support apartheid. However thats beside the point, why is it a problem how I live my life, according to your values if it is a sin to be gay then I will not go to heaven. It will not effect your life in anyway. It's just people being scared of the unknown, just like when Hitler managed to blame the weimar econonmy on the Jews, just like how ' the silent majoirty.' where conned into believing that civil rights would lead to mass riots and looting. People are scared of what they do not understand.

[chiliguy]

You can call me whatever you want, but the bible is nothing but a strange fantasy book. If you want to believe in a book, believe in Eragon. It's kinda the same thing!

[huntersteele11]

sum people are just mean and weird and call people stuff to hurt there feelings. sum people call people gay or use the N word but i think those people are bad and not the gay people. at our church they teach us to luv every one and it dont matter who they are and what they are and i think that is rite

[TigerBoy]

here is that if it's proven to be a choice,
It is already proven NOT to be a choice to the satisfaction of science, both from a psychological and physiological perspective.
The British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy will strike off (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/05/28/christian-gay-cure-therapist-loses-appeal/) therapists who proceed as if they can change sexuality, the APA (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/05/28/christian-gay-cure-therapist-loses-appeal/)state it is not a choice, the BPS state it is not a choice. Over the years those who have tried to show otherwise have failed and recanted (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1999381&postcount=15)
Religion can and will believe whatever it chooses irrespective of factual basis. Your argument is factually incorrect and invalid.


.... if your gay, don't hide behind "My DNA makes me like this!".
Who is hiding? Is a victim of racism 'hiding' behind their DNA when they are unhappy about their abuse too?


Own up to what you do and how you feel.
You are attempting to make LGBT people appear guilty of something. The only guilt should be your own, for making hateful statements fuelled only by ignorance.


If you aren't proud of it or don't want it, then change. It is always up to you when it comes to who you are.
Incorrect - it is not a choice, so it is not possible to change for any reason.

[dusman77]

Good point

[Mirage]

Really not sure where this thread should go. For now I am moving it to Teen Sexuality, you may get better answers there.

TWPR :arrow: Teen Sexuality

[danny7]

today I was talking about lesbians and gays and a religious girl heard me and she started saying how being gay 'is not normal' and I told her it's her belief and whatever she wants to... My point is that not everyone is going to accept you because of religion, just accept yourself for who u r

[SaxyHaloBeast]

My least favorite argument for the "it's not a choice" issue: Why would someone choose to be ridiculed or bullied? You are not choosing to be bullied or ridiculed. You are choosing to do something that, unfortunately, can bring those things upon you. I am not supporting bullying in any way here, but just like you, bullies have their freedom to choose. Sadly, they abuse that freedom. My point is that probably no one chooses to be bullied or ridiculed and likely never would. But we do choose what we do and if what you do brings misfortunes upon you, I'm sorry but I guess that was the consequence. Celebrities don't choose to be famous or have people love them. They do things that get them that. Same basic logic. You don't choose the result, you choose the action.

You know what, reasoning with the self-declared open-minded, so-called scientifically backed, know-it-alls is completely useless. Even when I said something to agree with your arguments, I was shot down and called ignorant and bigoted. So I can't even agree with you without being ignorant?

Listen, this is my way of trying to close this for good. There are tons of factors that go into making us who we are. Genetics, environment, family, friends, peers, schooling, and the list goes on. These things all help to decide what kind of person we will be. But there is one thing that everyone on this planet has. No matter their gender, race, sexual orientation, or whatever else, we all have free agency. You were given a life and a world to live that life on. You were given a starting point with your genetics. You will be presented with countless things that will influence you. But in the end, what you do with your life, what you do, where you go, what you want, and what you like, is all ultimately up to you. People may love you, people may hate you. But your life will always give you a choice. Be who you want to be, but always remember that everything you do has a consequence, negative or positive. Live and use your freedom of choice.

[TigerBoy]

You are choosing to do something that, unfortunately, can bring those things upon you.
By your reasoning they would simply 'choose' differently and the problem would be solved, and as you've been told with supporting scientific evidence, people aren't capable of doing that.

You know what, reasoning with the self-declared open-minded,
Who here said they were open minded?


so-called scientifically backed,

Definitely scientifically backed.

is completely useless.

And yet here you are .

No matter their gender, race, sexual orientation, or whatever else, we all have free agency.
Except in such things as gender, race, sexual orientation ...

But in the end, what you do with your life, what you do, where you go, what you want, and what you like, is all ultimately up to you.
Except choosing your gender, race, sexual orientation ...

Did you have anything new to add, or did you come here simply to try to imply once again that people should choose to be different to their natures for no actual reason you've been able to as yet articulate?

[JohnnyCage100]

Doesn't the Bible say God loves ALL of his children. Correct?

[SaxyHaloBeast]

"Except choosing your gender, race, sexual orientation ...

Did you have anything new to add, or did you come here simply to try to imply once again that people should choose to be different to their natures for no actual reason you've been able to as yet articulate?"

Ah! This is so frustrating!
I have been called close-minded by a few individuals so I'm assuming that they think themselves open-minded. Just a guess.
There are studies that show there is no genetic influence in sexuality and there are studies that show it do. Until we get a definitive yes or no, I am sticking with the one that gives you the most freedom. Choice. Why don't you want it to be a choice? Why are you so against it? I don't understand how someone can fight against having a choice.
No you can't choose your gender and no you can't choose race. There is no proven answer on the sexual orientation question. There have been studies, I know. But nothing is proven. I had no intention to try to get anyone to choose to be different from their natures. I intended to get people to realize that they have the freedom of choice in what they do in this life. If you don't believe you have a choice, then go ahead not believing it. Because guess what? That is your choice.

[SaxyHaloBeast]

Yes, God loves all of his children much like parents will love their children. But just like parents can be disappointed in their children's choices, God can also be disappointed in His children's choices. God still loves you, but he might not always love what you do.

[TigerBoy]

There are studies that show there is no genetic influence in sexuality
Give us a reference to ONE study from a credible source independent of a religious agenda that claims to 'prove' that there is no genetic component.

and there are studies that show it do. Until we get a definitive yes or no,
You already have one. The consensus of science is that sexuality is fixed before birth. I've already given you links to show this.

Why don't you want it to be a choice? Why are you so against it? I don't understand how someone can fight against having a choice.
Because the evidence - and scientific consensus view - is that it is not a choice. You don't get to choose some things in life, and this is one of those things, it has been proven.


There is no proven answer on the sexual orientation question.

Incorrect, it has been proven not to be a choice. See the links I provided previously.


There have been studies, I know. But nothing is proven.
Yes it is, that is what the studies do, give evidence. The science community agrees that this evidence is convincing.


I had no intention to try to get anyone to choose to be different from their natures. I intended to get people to realize that they have the freedom of choice in what they do in this life. If you don't believe you have a choice, then go ahead not believing it. Because guess what? That is your choice.
And what are you proposing they do then? You keep associating the idea of freedom of choice with orientation. Exactly what 'choice' do you expect to encourage here?

Yes, God loves all of his children much like parents will love their children. But just like parents can be disappointed in their children's choices, God can also be disappointed in His children's choices. God still loves you, but he might not always love what you do.
Which choices will he be disappointed in that are relevant to this thread? Just earlier you said you didn't want people to choose against their natures.

[teen.jpg]

Wait... gay people would change what they are if they had the chance? I can understand, life is harder being non-straight, but I think it might be worth it. Love is important ...

[SaxyHaloBeast]

Give us a reference to ONE study from a credible source independent of a religious agenda that claims to 'prove' that there is no genetic component.


You already have one. The consensus of science is that sexuality is fixed before birth. I've already given you links to show this.


Because the evidence - and scientific consensus view - is that it is not a choice. You don't get to choose some things in life, and this is one of those things, it has been proven.


Incorrect, it has been proven not to be a choice. See the links I provided previously.


Yes it is, that is what the studies do, give evidence. The science community agrees that this evidence is convincing.


And what are you proposing they do then? You keep associating the idea of freedom of choice with orientation. Exactly what 'choice' do you expect to encourage here?


Which choices will he be disappointed in that are relevant to this thread? Just earlier you said you didn't want people to choose against their natures.

So you are just assuming that the science community is onltly right if it is nonreligious. That could be considered close minded. There are studies that argue both sides and until one is 100% proven without a shadow of a doubt, then I subscribe to the idea of free will. Of course I have I have a preferred orientation choice, but free will allows everyone to. choose as they wish. That's the beauty of it. And when it comes to God, he has said that. homosexuality is a sin, but with free will you can choose to do whatever you feel is sinful or not. It all comes down to your belief system, morals, and lifestyle.

[TigerBoy]

So you are just assuming that the science community is onltly right if it is nonreligious.
Show me where I made that assumption.


There are studies that argue both sides and until one is 100% proven without a shadow of a doubt, then I subscribe to the idea of free will.

You profess to appear reasonable when what you "subscribe to" is wilful ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence. The consensus of expert professionals is that it is not a choice. I can't state it much clearer than that. You can disagree with the experts, but you'd still be wrong.

It all comes down to your belief system, morals, and lifestyle.
No, it comes down to your refusal to accept facts even when presented to you, and your preference in a belief systems which requires no facts whatsoever.

[Troy35216]

Except in such things as gender, race, sexual orientation ...



The consensus of science is that sexuality is fixed before birth. I've already given you links to show this.

it comes down to your refusal to accept facts even when presented to you, and your preference in a belief systems which requires no facts whatsoever.

Can I take you with me wherever I go to be my official spokesperson?

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Dont listen to the bullsh*! called the bible. Its completely wrong in every sense of the word.

[unusedaccount]

ok i opaliagize if i ofend some one but how and when did being gay become bad
the bible say gay marriege is wrong not being gay

It's the 21st Century... We're not living in the stone age anymore... People can be with who they want, when they want... ;) Don't let the God Squad rule you life.

[GummyUnicornDerp]

Sweet Jesus, for the sake of the god I don't believe in, don't listen to those bigoted, ignorant bible thumpers. The bible said it was an abomination, not a sin. Different things. Did your mind just EXPLODE? it shouldn't have. Also, it's talking of gay SEXY TIMES. We all love gay sexy times. If you're gay, you like Gay sexy times. If you're straight, you like lesbian sexy times. If you're bi, well, you just win, don't you? Also, I probably would have taken this thread much more seriously if the grammar and spelling was correct in the first post. *GRAMMAR NAZI MOMENT* Also, Paul said it, not Jesus. You silly misinterpreters, you. In the original bible, there wasn't even a concept of damnation! Ahhhh! I know, right?! Something we didn't know before! So fucking scary! OK, rant, no matter how funny or entertaining I found this, is done.

No, make your own conclusions, don't listen to a book that's paraphrased way too damn often. You have a mind, use it. God would prefer it that way. (Also, if anyone says I am not allowed to say that God would prefer it that way, you can't either. Skank.)

[Flytta]

From a Roman Catholic perspective:

First off I want to clear up some things about the Bible. It cannot be taken 100% literally, it is not a history a book (its also a collection of books). One tactic that the Bible uses is myth. There was no Noah's Arc, God did not make the world in seven days, etc...but theses stories teach us important things. Many laws, such as not eating pork and circumcision, were enacted for health reasons. Pork takes a lot of heat to cook which wasn't available then, and eating raw meat is bad. A circumcised penis is less likely have problems such as infertility, and they wanted to have may children so circumcision was a must.

Anyways back to the topic. According to the Roman Catholic Church, there is nothing wrong with being gay. They allow marriage legally (secular) but not marriage in the Church. This is because in order to be truly married you must have sex, the insertation of the
penis into the vagina, since gay couples can only have one of these they can't have sex in the Catholic sense and therefore can't be married. I also don't know this for sure, but I believe anal sex is not allowed because our bodies are not suppose to perform in that way, but minor sure about it.

IN SHORT: Being gay is fine, but you can not have a gay marriage in the church due to the inability to have sex, which is part of the marriage process.

[Renek]

It isn't bad. It's just a preference.

[kanine]

Actually, the bible calls homosexuality an abomination and later ( somewhere in second corinthians I believe ) says that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Of course, you must take into account that the bible has been edited so many times by a homophobic goverment. Although in the chapter Peter, the apostle himself tells us that all God wants is love among people and a love of him, and that this will trump any sin ( that is how I interpreted it anyways. ) It also says that divorced women should be put to death and tatooed people go to hell along with prostitutes/clients, the adulterers, liars, theives, etc. So it is very close minded bible thumpers who make it seem bad, and petty people who need an outlet followed them.

On the topic of choosing, that is a no. We do not choose. I call myself bisexual only because my parents could end up finding my account and bi is easier to take in than gay ( and the fact that im not to sure myself weather im gay or bi ) but I believe I have no choice in the matter. Test have in fact been done and it is my personel belief that homosexuality is caused by a lack of testosterone being delivered to the male fetus's brain ( this happens after the testosterone changes the body ) which in turn leaves female desires a.k.a men. Which actually opens up a world of genetics but that would get me off topic. Anyways the test I mentioned earlier show that gay men are born with less tetosterone than straight men (lesbians born with more testosterone than straight woman respectivly) meaning that this would be a random occurence and we have no control over it.

[justin 13]

The Bible says a lot of crazy stuff. I'm Roman Catholic so I've read it several times like from beginning to end. There is nothing wrong with being gay. Not at all.

Totally agree.I'm catholic gay teenager and you r right.