what do you think of this Sandusky trial?

[Zenos]

So what do you think of this Sandusky trial?

I'd liek to hear you're views on it.

Personally I think he got the right amount of years.

They could have given him up to 400,which leads to this thought.

If you give a person a sentance that will go beyond the longest a human CAN LIVE naturally,and say he lived to be 100,but he'd been given a 200 year sentance,when he dies he can't be claimed by relatives for that long,and because he's dead the state can no longer punish him,who is the state then punishing for his wrong doing if not his familiy?

[TigerBoy]

My concern is will he ever be able to do it again - so I would hope 'no' with a 30 year minimum.

Are you saying the state will retain a convict's body after death inside their sentence term, or is this what you are proposing for discussion?f

As an observation, it baffles me how at the same time as the sporting world is hugely homophobic, people within that world were willing to try to cover up his rape of boys to protect him.

[Zenos]

My concern is will he ever be able to do it again - so I would hope 'no' with a 30 year minimum.

Are you saying the state will retain a convict's body after death inside their sentence term, or is this what you are proposing for discussion?f

As an observation, it baffles me how at the same time as the sporting world is hugely homophobic, people within that world were willing to try to cover up his rape of boys to protect him.

Well in the states the state can retain you're cadaver for the entire sentence!

I have never understood the mixed up state of the sports world.

[TigerBoy]

Well in the states the state can retain you're cadaver for the entire sentence!.

Seriously? That is bizarre. Well in that case I agree with you 100% - that's just punishing their family which seems cruel: they've already suffered enough humiliation and hurt from this guys actions, assuming they want the body back it seems unfair to refuse.

[Zenos]

Seriously? That is bizarre. Well in that case I agree with you 100% - that's just punishing their family which seems cruel: they've already suffered enough humiliation and hurt from this guys actions, assuming they want the body back it seems unfair to refuse.


I'm not sure if it's done in all 50 states but I know in some if you have ahuge number of years then it's too bad for your familiy becaue they get the rest of you're punishment!

[Mirage]

Since you have not linked to/quoted a news article, this belongs in ROTW as it technically is a debate.

VTDC :arrow: ROTW

[Zenos]

Since you have not linked to/quoted a news article, this belongs in ROTW as it technically is a debate.

VTDC :arrow: ROTW

:eek: i thought it was a current event topic

[TigerBoy]

The forum rules stick does say "Each thread must reference to a (preferably reliable) article about the story in question."

So ... yeah you could reference this one if you wanted
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19887213

[PurpleReign]

As an observation, it baffles me how at the same time as the sporting world is hugely homophobic, people within that world were willing to try to cover up his rape of boys to protect him.

Unfortunately, money rules all in sports. That's what happened here, the AD and President at Penn State cared more about the money that the football program brought in than protecting these kids who were being molested.

Pretty sickening stuff :(

[fallenLethal]

.. Honestly, what he did is disgusting, and in my opinion... He isn't in there long enough.

[Sugaree]

.. Honestly, what he did is disgusting, and in my opinion... He isn't in there long enough.

He's in there for the rest of his life. Within 30 to 60 years, he's going to be dead. He didn't need to get the 400+ years, that's overkill.

We all know he's going to rot in jail, so let's leave him alone.

[Zenos]

He's in there for the rest of his life. Within 30 to 60 years, he's going to be dead. He didn't need to get the 400+ years, that's overkill.

We all know he's going to rot in jail, so let's leave him alone.

true he'll rot in jail but in my opinion giving a person more then their natural life is overkill.

[West Coast Sheriff]

I think that 30 years would not be enough. What if he were to continue his abuse of children? It would be completely horrid. I personally believe we should be at least glad that he is going away for a long time, but be upset because it should've been longer. But that's just my two cents.

[Aves]

I think it's outrageous still that the NCAA vacated all of Penn State's wins. Now the kids who were assaulted have also had their victories taken right from underneath them. :l That's not fair to them at all.

[PurpleReign]

I think it's outrageous still that the NCAA vacated all of Penn State's wins. Now the kids who were assaulted have also had their victories taken right from underneath them. :l That's not fair to them at all.

Outrageous that Penn State had to vacate their wins?

I don't think it's outrageous at all. A person who knew children were getting molested and looked the other way solely for the benefit of the football program does not deserve a place in the record books...

[Aves]

Outrageous that Penn State had to vacate their wins?

I don't think it's outrageous at all. A person who knew children were getting molested and looked the other way solely for the benefit of the football program does not deserve a place in the record books...

I must have worded my opinion wrong. What I meant to say is that now the former student athletes have nothing to show for their college football careers. That is what doesn't seem fair to me. Paterno and Sandusky surely deserve to have their wins removed.

[PurpleReign]

I must have worded my opinion wrong. What I meant to say is that now the former student athletes have nothing to show for their college football careers. That is what doesn't seem fair to me. Paterno and Sandusky surely deserve to have their wins removed.

Yeah, it sucks for the former athletes, but unfortunately that's just collateral damage in this case.

Although, nobody can take away the great memories they have of their football careers, so I'm sure most of then don't care too much.

[Sugaree]

In defense of the athletes themselves, they didn't know this was happening. It was limited strictly to the Penn State board of directors and the staff of the team. Having the wins of the players vacated was overkill, because it was punishing people who had no part in what Sandusky did. Had there been evidence of players participating in these rapes and molestation situations, then I would say otherwise. But taking away THEIR wins over something they had no control over and didn't even know what happening is blowing it out of proportion.

[TigerBoy]

It was limited strictly to the Penn State board of directors and the staff of the team.

I understand that some of these things happened in the showers etc and obviously at least one kid was around at the time ... it seems very unlikely that others never saw or heard something or even had suspicions.

The 'team and victory at all costs' attitude has no place in sport: all the money and vested interest has skewed the perspective of what is supposed to be a fun passtime and turned it into an amoral battlefield.

It is very sad, no doubt you are right - innocent players have been punished too, but I do agree with what they did as it sends a very clear message across the whole sport.

[PurpleReign]

In defense of the athletes themselves, they didn't know this was happening. It was limited strictly to the Penn State board of directors and the staff of the team. Having the wins of the players vacated was overkill, because it was punishing people who had no part in what Sandusky did. Had there been evidence of players participating in these rapes and molestation situations, then I would say otherwise. But taking away THEIR wins over something they had no control over and didn't even know what happening is blowing it out of proportion.

While it is unfair to them, the intent was to take the record away from JoePa. Like I said earlier, I doubt many of the players care that the NCAA says that those wins never happened, because they know that they did. The only one who really cared was JoePa, and I think that's why the old bastard died as soon as he did after this all came out.

[Aves]

While it is unfair to them, the intent was to take the record away from JoePa. Like I said earlier, I doubt many of the players care that the NCAA says that those wins never happened, because they know that they did. The only one who really cared was JoePa, and I think that's why the old bastard died as soon as he did after this all came out.

Here let me give you your birth certificate. Oh here, let me now set it on fire.

[PurpleReign]

Here let me give you your birth certificate. Oh here, let me now set it on fire.

You're comparing a birth certificate to college football wins? Did you see what the former players said on Twitter after the wins were vacated? I think it was Evan Royster who said something to the effect of: "So the NCAA says all my wins on college never happened? Not the way I remember it!"

I agree with what you're saying, my point is that you don't need to feel sorry for the players or anything, lol. The players really don't care if the NCAA officially recognizes their wins or not. Because they happened, and we, the fans, know that the players won those games legitimately.

It's not like all the players go to NCAA.com and look up their wins in the official NCAA record books in order to remember them...

[Aves]

You're comparing a birth certificate to college football wins? Did you see what the former players said on Twitter after the wins were vacated? I think it was Evan Royster who said something to the effect of: "So the NCAA says all my wins on college never happened? Not the way I remember it!"

I agree with what you're saying, my point is that you don't need to feel sorry for the players or anything, lol. The players really don't care if the NCAA officially recognizes their wins or not. Because they happened, and we, the fans, know that the players won those games legitimately.

It's not like all the players go to NCAA.com and look up their wins in the official NCAA record books in order to remember them...

They've just had their legacy taken straight from underneath them. They'll no longer be remembered by future generations as part of a winning football team. Regardless of if they honestly care or not, it's still not fair to them.

[TigerBoy]

They've just had their legacy taken straight from underneath them. They'll no longer be remembered by future generations as part of a winning football team. Regardless of if they honestly care or not, it's still not fair to them.

Yes, very unfair on the innocent BUT as I said before, we don't KNOW that every player in this was unaware and completely innocent. The statement accompanying the NCAA sanctions is that this was a cultural problem, i.e. while some individuals are facing formal charges of covering up or failure to act, it is possible (even likely) that others - including players - were aware and failed to speak up.

NCAA president's statement:

"One of the grave damages stemming from our love of sports is that the sports themselves can become too big to fail, indeed too big to even challenge. The result can be an erosion of academic values that are replaced by the value of hero worship and winning at all costs.

"In the Penn State case, the results were perverse and unconscionable," he said. "No price the NCAA can levy will repair the grievous damage inflicted by Jerry Sandusky on his victims. However, we can make clear that the culture, actions and inactions that allowed them to be victimized will not be tolerated in collegiate athletics." (Source reuters) (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/us-usa-pennstate-idUSBRE86L07F20120724)

[PurpleReign]

They've just had their legacy taken straight from underneath them. They'll no longer be remembered by future generations as part of a winning football team. Regardless of if they honestly care or not, it's still not fair to them.

Future generations do not remember past teams (unless it's a national title team) regardless of whether or not their wins are recognized by the NCAA.

I think Penn State won one national title during that era. Penn State fans well always remember that team. Fans of other teams just don't care.

This is a non-issue, IMO.

[redtukr]

cant trust everyone money talks and s*&^ walks