View Full Version : Why get fired up over small shit?
Dietchy_Peach
October 3rd, 2012, 05:28 PM
why get pissed at small social issues; gay marriage, abortion, death penalty, and contraception to name a few, when their are bigger issues to tackle. such as our wasteful military spending, our resource taxing wars with 3rd world countries over oil, our excessive amount of spending on the War on Drugs, our 2 party system that has led to crony capitalism, or moderately important issues like putting our space program in private hands or alternative energy. it just baffles me. sure the fact that not all states allow gay marriage is just tragic, but i can't say i really care either way. abortion is really not that big of a deal as it is made out to be in america, and it is a state issue, not a national issue.
Gigablue
October 3rd, 2012, 05:39 PM
I don't think they are really small issues at all. Gay marriage affects a significant portion of the population, abortion laws affect all women, and the death penalty and contraception laws affect all people. These issues would be easier to fix then things like the economy, but are no less important.
People have different priorities. Personally, I don't really think the economy is all that important. Sure it affects many people, but a somewhat messed up economy isn't that bad. Most of the social issues you mentioned above affect as many or more people. They are a question of human rights. I think it's more important that everyone is treated fairly than it is to deal with excess spending.
FreeFall
October 3rd, 2012, 06:08 PM
I'm personally more focused on fighting against people trying to have control over my womb, my body, my rights, than I am with what the military's doing.
Don't try to invalidate the concerns of others with your talk of larger scale issues. Yes they're important but to what extent and to whom? Gay marriage isn't as important to some, abortion isn't as important to some, the economy isn't important to some.
It depends on who you're speaking to for the topics at hand to be scaled.
To just take a guess on a larger scale, there may seem to be more emphasized focus on the topics you find meaningless, because they have a more direct and immediate affect on our everyday lives.
Guillermo
October 3rd, 2012, 10:37 PM
"Why get pissed at government issues that won't get solved soon anyway unless social ones are first; Military spending, our oil being excessively taxed because we're getting a good portion of it from [-]3rd world countries[/-] lesser developed countries, the war on drugs, our two party system, etc to name a few. It just baffles me that people see these issues as more important than others. Let's focus more on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, and equal rights as a whole to make this country move forward and fully focus on governmental and economic issues."
Look; I just turned your whole argument around to the other people's point of view.
If you asked this to any single-issue group in a protest why their side is important, you'd get walked all over with their arguments on how it's more important than any other issue. You must understand that some think that these "small social issues" are at the top of their priority list versus government spending and the way we run our government. Some don't even acknowledge these "bigger issues" to even be problems at all. Everyone has priorities and what they think should come first, but that doesn't mean that everyone has the "right" priority list. Yeah, me personally, I'm with you on some of those issues that should come first on my (personal) priority list. But then again, some of these issues should and can be confronted at the same time..
Cicero
October 4th, 2012, 12:00 AM
For some people, gay rights and abortion are more important. For others, the economy is more important. It just depends on the type of person. Usually, if someone isn't in need of abortion, there priorities might be the economy.
TheMatrix
October 4th, 2012, 12:56 AM
That's a pretty interesting question to ask. But to answer that, we can ponder a different question, How do humans act? Is it for the greater good? Our family?
The correct answer is, actually, pure self-interest. We want things that satisfy is in the moment. We want to be happy(or at least have the illusion thereof) before even thinking about other things. Gay marriage, abortion, contraception -- do they directly affect us? Yes! Therefore, we as humans are more likely to think about those issues before moving on to others. This is why governments were made: to deal with these issues long enough until the average human moves on to bigger issues.
It is for this reason that communism does not yet work. For communism to properly function and not backfire, all humans in a society must think about issues that affect everybody, not just a select few or themselves. But that's another story.
This won't change soon. Things will probably remain the same even long after we're all dead.
There's modern human life for you. Unless we all want to become hippies living with each other in tents and Volkswagen buses singing "Kumbayah" while we drive to the sunset with our rainbow-coloured vans. Now that would be interesting.
Lost in the Echo
October 4th, 2012, 04:20 AM
For some people, gay rights and abortion are more important. For others, the economy is more important. It just depends on the type of person. Usually, if someone isn't in need of abortion, there priorities might be the economy.
Yeah this is basically what I was thinking too.
But yeah OP, I agree with you on just about everything you said.
Human
October 4th, 2012, 10:42 AM
well before we tackle the big problems you want to take on the smaller ones first
Dietchy_Peach
October 6th, 2012, 03:22 PM
"Why get pissed at government issues that won't get solved soon anyway unless social ones are first; Military spending, our oil being excessively taxed because we're getting a good portion of it from [-]3rd world countries[/-] lesser developed countries, the war on drugs, our two party system, etc to name a few. It just baffles me that people see these issues as more important than others. Let's focus more on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, and equal rights as a whole to make this country move forward and fully focus on governmental and economic issues."
Look; I just turned your whole argument around to the other people's point of view.
If you asked this to any single-issue group in a protest why their side is important, you'd get walked all over with their arguments on how it's more important than any other issue. You must understand that some think that these "small social issues" are at the top of their priority list versus government spending and the way we run our government. Some don't even acknowledge these "bigger issues" to even be problems at all. Everyone has priorities and what they think should come first, but that doesn't mean that everyone has the "right" priority list. Yeah, me personally, I'm with you on some of those issues that should come first on my (personal) priority list. But then again, some of these issues should and can be confronted at the same time..
to me it seems like the media blows things out of proportion on both ends of the spectrum, and sweeps some potential key details right under the rug.
Stephan
October 6th, 2012, 03:29 PM
You may think these are "small" issues while other incline to disagree with your thoughts.
The reason behind this is that some people value those issues to their heart's content more than you do. On the opposition, people could care less about you and your issues which is the same for you not caring about the issues you listed.
TigerBoy
October 6th, 2012, 04:11 PM
to me it seems like the media blows things out of proportion on both ends of the spectrum, and sweeps some potential key details right under the rug.
That's because all media sources are owned, run and staffed by humans all with their own agenda, as does the organisation itself. No media is ultimately unbiased.
ManyPearTree
October 6th, 2012, 04:36 PM
why get pissed at small social issues; gay marriage, abortion, death penalty, and contraception to name a few, when their are bigger issues to tackle. such as our wasteful military spending, our resource taxing wars with 3rd world countries over oil, our excessive amount of spending on the War on Drugs, our 2 party system that has led to crony capitalism, or moderately important issues like putting our space program in private hands or alternative energy. it just baffles me. sure the fact that not all states allow gay marriage is just tragic, but i can't say i really care either way. abortion is really not that big of a deal as it is made out to be in america, and it is a state issue, not a national issue.
It is kind of hard to answer questions about your own unstructured, biased viewpoints. If you took more of a neutral outlook while asking this (i.e questioning fact rather than opinion) then it would be a lot easier to respond.
it just baffles me. sure the fact that not all states allow gay marriage is just tragic, but i can't say i really care either way. abortion is really not that big of a deal as it is made out to be in america, and it is a state issue, not a national issue.
I'm trying to be as little of a troll as possible but I do have to point out that you contradicted yourself near the end there.
Iris
October 7th, 2012, 09:44 PM
They're all interconnected really, and stem from the same beliefs. By tackling one of these issues you're addressing an opinion that extends to other issues.
Dietchy_Peach
October 8th, 2012, 01:46 PM
They're all interconnected really, and stem from the same beliefs. By tackling one of these issues you're addressing an opinion that extends to other issues.
abortion and the war on terror are not related.
Iris
October 8th, 2012, 02:31 PM
abortion and the war on terror are not related.
People against abortion are generally also for the war on terror. They stem from the same basic beliefs.
Dietchy_Peach
October 8th, 2012, 09:29 PM
People against abortion are generally also for the war on terror. They stem from the same basic beliefs.
those are the people who think screaming louder than everyone else makes them right. I am a strong believer in the silent majority.
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