Don't Say Faggot!!!!

[Pierce]

I used to say faggot and oh thats gay. but im trying to stop saying things like that cause im in the closet and when i hear someone uses the word gay by saying somethign is bad it rlly does hurt a little bit. Then i worry if there homophobic and they would hate me if they knew i was gay. So i imagined how others would feel if they heard me. So i haven't said faggot or thats gay for like 2 months and i curse like a fuckin sailor. (oops) Idk but im proud of myself lol used to say it all the time. So if youre gay and yoo say it i really advise and ask you to stop cause it makes other in the closet gays feel uncomfortable and thinks that they are hated. And sicne i haven't said it as much i haven't heard it as much.


Omg this is the longest piece of bullshit in the history of .... words....

[TigerBoy]

I agree with you - words do have the power to hurt. Using 'gay' to mean 'lame' or being used to try to insult someone is annoying and I try to get people to stop it : its not a big deal but it does contribute to bad attitudes towards gays (same as a lot of words with racist meanings).

Some people will try to make out that its not intended to be insulting to gays when they say "thats so gay" but the fact of the matter is that people ARE sometimes insulted, and its not up to them to tell people they're not allowed to be offended.

Its not about "political correctness" its just about whether you mind pissing off other people or mind if others judge you and think you are a homophobic dickhead.

[Gandalf]

I grit my teeth everytime I hear people use these words because it does offend me. I think you should bre proud of trying to avoid these words, and not to fele guilty if from time to time it slips out, it happens to us all.

Interesting discussion :)

[The Mockingjay]

It does hurt in ways that straight people just can't comprehend. All of my friends say stuff like that and what's funny is, they don't even realise that they're being offensive. I asked them to stop once and they literally had no idea what they had done wrong.

[Akasuki]

I'm not offended by it. I'm a faggot. If you want to call me a faggot, then go ahead, because I am one. I couldn't care less. That's like trying to call someone a human offensively.

As for the word gay meaning lame, I used to be offended by that but it's really not that big of a deal to me now.
In my eyes, it's really just a slang word. Most of the people who use it don't mean it as "that's so homosexual." They mean it as lame/silly/etc. Just because it's the same word doesn't mean it's the same meaning.
If they really do use it like that, then shame on them... but I won't get my panties in a bunch over it.
It's like saying "that's ghetto." You're not referring to the ghetto (noun), you're referring to the slang term which means low quality (adjective).

[West Coast Sheriff]

I use to be very homophobic until I found this site. I am very fond of gay people and always correct others when they use words like that.

[Abigballofdust]

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I think you're all over reacting. I'm using faggot, gay, nigger, cunt, gypsy, retarded, soulless ginger and whatnot on a daily basis and guess what? Who cares?! Hate me if you want, fill me with -Rep if you want, but all you're stirring with your headless moralism is more hatred. My aim is not to insult anybody, it's just common everyday talk. I find it stupid that two homosexual people can call each other faggots and nobody cares but a straight guy cannot even mention it? I couldn't care less if you called me whatever. If there are homophobes that enjoy calling people fags, what does it do to you? Quit listening I guess? Change your grouppie or whatever? On today's day, in 2009. a drawing was published that resulted in 137 deaths for the sole reason of being asshurt over anything anybody else says. How are you any different than Muslims attacking embassies because their Muhammed got mentioned in a different context than everyday head bowing at the local Mecca branch? Quit crying and grow some, or keep on crying, couldn't care less as long as your moralism does not hit me in the balls.
Anyways, I am gay, before you think any different.

[TigerBoy]

I think you're all over reacting.

How people react is not for anyone else to dictate as I said above. Over reacting? You've either never been bullied about your sexuality, or you have Ghandi-like stoicism.


I'm using faggot, gay, nigger, cunt, gypsy, retarded, soulless ginger and whatnot on a daily basis and guess what? Who cares?!

That's such a load of crap. There are plenty of places you'd get shot dead if you went around with that attitude and said the wrong thing.


all you're stirring with your headless moralism is more hatred.

Yeah and that was wrong for Jesus to do the same thing. Asking people to change anythingis going to create a backlash : people resist change. It doesn't mean that change is wrong.


I find it stupid that two homosexual people can call each other faggots and nobody cares but a straight guy cannot even mention it?

Yep, it isn't a logical thing its an emotional thing. It only irritates me slightly, but I know other people who have suffered bullying who get really upset by it.


I couldn't care less if you called me whatever.

"whatever"


If there are homophobes that enjoy calling people fags, what does it do to you? Quit listening I guess?

Again, this is really naive and doesn't actually help so much in the real world. Ignore a bully and they just usually get angry.


How are you any different than Muslims attacking embassies because their Muhammed got mentioned in a different context than everyday head bowing at the local Mecca branch?

Because last time I looked gay people don't go all jihad on homophobes over the least excuse.


Quit crying and grow some, or keep on crying, couldn't care less as long as your moralism does not hit me in the balls.
Anyways, I am gay, before you think any different.
Why are you getting so emotional and aggressive about this? Talk about over-reacting. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".

[Abigballofdust]

How people react is not for anyone else to dictate as I said above. Over reacting? You've either never been bullied about your sexuality, or you have Ghandi-like stoicism.
I understood the thread was about using the word gay as lame, if somebody says 'That's gay' or 'He's such a faggot' in front of me, it does not offend me, nor does it bully me. There's nothing Ghandi-like in my response to them. Being bullied for my sexuality is something completely different and not related to this thread at all.


There are plenty of places you'd get shot dead if you went around with that attitude and said the wrong thing.
This is what my rant was all about.


Yeah and that was wrong for Jesus to do the same thing. Asking people to change anythingis going to create a backlash : people resist change. It doesn't mean that change is wrong.
Change is good, but what will you achieve by forbidding people to use the word 'gay'? You'll make them accept you easier? Oh please! Because black people won the fight by forbidding the N word?


Yep, it isn't a logical thing its an emotional thing. It only irritates me slightly, but I know other people who have suffered bullying who get really upset by it.
Well, it shouldn't. Because as long as they see 'gay' and 'faggot' as an insult, we haven't achieved anything. Roxi said she was a faggot, I'm a faggot too. So call me one, and you are spot on right.


"whatever"
Now THAT'S offensive. :yes:


Again, this is really naive and doesn't actually help so much in the real world. Ignore a bully and they just usually get angry.
Cry because of them and they usually just get happier, hit them and they usually hit back cos they have who holds their back. So getting them angry and provoking back after they've provoked you is the best way to go.


Because last time I looked gay people don't go all jihad on homophobes over the least excuse.
So it's all fine until somebody kills somebody else. 'Kay.


Why are you getting so emotional and aggressive about this? Talk about over-reacting. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
I can't stand moralists, after hypocrisy and greed, moralism is the biggest issue out there.

[TigerBoy]

I understood the thread was about using the word gay as lame, if somebody says 'That's gay' or 'He's such a faggot' in front of me, it does not offend me, nor does it bully me. There's nothing Ghandi-like in my response to them. Being bullied for my sexuality is something completely different and not related to this thread at all.

I understood that you understood that. Victims of bullying especially are going to be more sensitive to casual usage like this, whether it is targeted or merely 'background'.



This is what my rant was all about.

In the same way I wouldn't advocate jumping into a snake pit, I can't really go with the idea that its other people's problem for reacting when you go walking into a situation and using emotionally charged words. Its not logical for them to behave like that perhaps, and it sucks .... but its pretty predictable human behaviour.


Change is good, but what will you achieve by forbidding people to use the word 'gay'? You'll make them accept you easier? Oh please! Because black people won the fight by forbidding the N word?

I'm not saying change is good. I'm saying people typically resist change as an initial and emotional response. And politeness - no matter how fake it is - is about helping society function. Consideration of other peoples feelings is just playing the social game. If you don't like the game, don't live in that society.


Well, it shouldn't. Because as long as they see 'gay' and 'faggot' as an insult, we haven't achieved anything. Roxi said she was a faggot, I'm a faggot too. So call me one, and you are spot on right.

Its the words plus context that turns them into an insult. "you are a great fuck baby" or "you are a stupid fuck" for example. I don't think anyone is claiming that deliberate insult is the intention of people using gay as "lame".


Now THAT'S offensive. :yes:

hehe nice one

Cry because of them and they usually just get happier, hit them and they usually hit back cos they have who holds their back. So getting them angry and provoking back after they've provoked you is the best way to go.

If you are strong enough, that might work, but bullying victims usually don't realise their strength : the bully's aim is precisely to make them feel weak.


So it's all fine until somebody kills somebody else. 'Kay.

Nope there are obviously shades of grey in real life, and context is important.


I can't stand moralists, after hypocrisy and greed, moralism is the biggest issue out there.
I do sympathise : morals are such a relative thing depending where and when you live. I don't believe this is a case of popular political correctness however : this is something that is genuinely irritating and upsetting some people.

On a related note, one could argue that simply highlighting the word usage and making people discuss it like this might in itself generate some thought and consideration about tolerance, whether or not some people are being overly sensitive or others are being crass and insensitive.

[xXJust Jump ItXx]

I have a problem of swearing... Alot, Im working on it. But I could never say faggot, thats gay, etc. I didnt then, I dont today. People in my school still say it and Id love to say some crap to them about it but the teachers catch them on it. Its just stupid to say those things... You dont need to!

[Noirtier]

I don't say them, I never did even when I thought I was straight. But to be honest, I don't care if other people say them, it doesn't offend me. I've had a lot worse said, and its just a cultural habit anymore to say something is gay and mean bad. Guess what? It was a cultural habit to say "hip" and "groovy" at one point in time, but we don't anymore. It'll pass just like anything else, and there's no point in me getting worked up about it when, honestly, I don't give a fuck about what you think of my sexuality or not, if people don't like me because of it that's on them. They can say whatever they want, it's not going to affect me.

[nice]

I think that some people are ok with the word like some people are ok with the N word. And then there are others who aren't so you must be careful what you say around them. If a person is ok word and its not being used in a bad connotation then you can say it I guess. It would all just be up to personal preference and if they ALLOW you to and are ok with it. And I'm not trying to offend anyone

[Zenos]

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I think you're all over reacting. I'm using faggot, gay, nigger, cunt, gypsy, retarded, soulless ginger and whatnot on a daily basis and guess what? Who cares?! Hate me if you want, fill me with -Rep if you want, but all you're stirring with your headless moralism is more hatred. My aim is not to insult anybody, it's just common everyday talk. I find it stupid that two homosexual people can call each other faggots and nobody cares but a straight guy cannot even mention it? I couldn't care less if you called me whatever. If there are homophobes that enjoy calling people fags, what does it do to you? Quit listening I guess? Change your grouppie or whatever? On today's day, in 2009. a drawing was published that resulted in 137 deaths for the sole reason of being asshurt over anything anybody else says. How are you any different than Muslims attacking embassies because their Muhammed got mentioned in a different context than everyday head bowing at the local Mecca branch? Quit crying and grow some, or keep on crying, couldn't care less as long as your moralism does not hit me in the balls.
Anyways, I am gay, before you think any different.

Im my area you poping off like that would get you an a$$ whipping like your mom and pop never gave you!

[Jackson L]

I think these words are highly offensive and if you dont like gay people say gay or homosexual.

[FreeFall]

Saw this while scrolling through, had to pop in. I'm straight but I do turn my head when I hear someone call something "so gay" or "such a fag". Like really? You're going to use the words commonly associated in hate speech for the homosexual, to degrade something you dislike? Is it so hard for you to have said "that doesn't please me" or "I don't like that?" Really? Though if their homosexual friends have no issue with the offender saying it, I'll turn my head away again. It'd still be nice if some had enough forethought to consider that not everyone's as comfortable like their friend and would appreciate they change up their vocabulary.

I don't care what people do, they can say what they want, but I don't take kindly at all to being called a nigger or even just hearing it. I can't imagine that many members of the same-sex orientations take kindly to hearing those words as they're being thrown around.
And the people that get up in arms, guns a-blazing, for being called out on using those words offensively, the ones that counter "uh well guess I can't say dumb because it offends those with lower I.Q's" or "shut up because it offends the mutes", that's moot. It is used to invalidate the offense and desire of equal respect, and doesn't prove any point. It makes you seem silly to try and justify it. Just apologize instead and go about your day.

[Pierce]

I wouldn't mind faggot or oh you're gay but when people say that they are not just putting a label on me like your straight and I'm a faggot but they call you that when you've done something wrong and with that one word they are implying that you are less or there's something wrong with you because your a "faggot"

[Pipo]

I don't call anyone faggot, fag, gay, nigger, etc.

Why would I?

Also to those who are gay shouldn't use it as advantage or reason like. "I'm gay so I can't dance with girl" bla bla you know.

If you're gay or lesbian so what I'm okay with it.

If you're black I don't care you can be my friend.

I don't care if you're trans I can be with you still.

I don't take part of that argument thing above.

[danny7]

since im bi.. when people say faggot.. it annoys me .. but when they say it, I say it to them to show them it hurts some people, even tho im out of the closet

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I could rage on and on. Main thing is I just plain agree. It hurts. :( Im bi and it just really makes me edge closer to the metaphorical cliff, suicide.
Also, its morally not right, same with a couple of the teachings of the bible on this topic. Like its morally incorrect to own blacks or mexicans as slaves. Its just wrong.

[Maverick]

I'm a faggot and I couldn't care less.

[Cloud]

Omg this is the longest piece of bullshit in the history of .... words....
A bit of an overreaction over a random combination of letters dont you think?

Some people will try to make out that its not intended to be insulting to gays when they say "thats so gay" but the fact of the matter is that people ARE sometimes insulted, and its not up to them to tell people they're not allowed to be offended.
huh, never seen my dog get offended when I call someone a bitch, or say someone is bitching. Words can have multiple meanings dont assume that they are all about you just because you are gay.

Its not about "political correctness" its just about whether you mind pissing off other people or mind if others judge you and think you are a homophobic dickhead.
Dickhead and proud right here :) If you judge us for freely saying "faggot" or "that's so gay" do you not think we will judge you more for being so easily offended by something so minor?

In my eyes, it's really just a slang word. Most of the people who use it don't mean it as "that's so homosexual." They mean it as lame/silly/etc. Just because it's the same word doesn't mean it's the same meaning. My thoughts exactly.


Yeah and that was wrong for Jesus to do the same thing. Asking people to change anythingis going to create a backlash : people resist change. It doesn't mean that change is wrong. So regardless something has to change? Why does it have to be the straight guys, since even gay guys use the words. Why not, instead of us changing how we speak, realise that we dont mean it as an insult


Because last time I looked gay people don't go all jihad on homophobes over the least excuse.
Never underestimate people.......

To summarise in probably more words, from a straight guy. Just because the word can also be used to describe you, doesnt mean its directed at you. Bet you've called someone a bastard without thinking of the poor bastard child who might be sat behind you who could take offense to that?
If you think were going to not accept you because we say this sort of stuff, do you really think were going to accept you when you go off on a self righeous rant and try and change the way we speak?

thats just my 2 cents on what you are chatting about. From the "accused" party in this instance

any questions?

[TigerBoy]

huh, never seen my dog get offended when I call someone a bitch, or say someone is bitching.

Your dog? Really? Lol, well that depends on the breed I guess.

Words can have multiple meanings dont assume that they are all about you just because you are gay.
As I said before, context is important in order to work that out, and ...

Victims of bullying especially are going to be more sensitive to casual usage like this, whether it is targeted or merely 'background'.


If you judge us for freely saying "faggot" or "that's so gay" do you not think we will judge you more for being so easily offended by something so minor?
You aren't being judged by me on abstract words, but you may be judged (by those present, be they gay or straight) within the context (eg tone of voice; friends or strangers) in which you use them. It is easy trivialise and say its minor when you aren't the victim of bullying. Bullying is often an ongoing and erosive process of denegration and intimidation, drop by drop.

So regardless something has to change? Why does it have to be the straight guys, since even gay guys use the words. Why not, instead of us changing how we speak, realise that we dont mean it as an insult

Its not about changing how people speak as much as changing how they think. Intolerance starts somewhere, and if nothing else this discussion might make people consider where they believe it starts, if not in the use of these words.
As for 'realising' - maybe you don't intend offence in the contexts you use those words, but others clearly do. Calling a friend a 'faggot' or 'nigger' in a friendly context isn't offensive, Yet those same words are frequently used to cause deliberate offence in others. Telling people not to be offended by insults is as disingenuous and futile as telling someone they should have dodged your grenade.

Never underestimate people.......
Well I've heard hell hath no fury like an angry drag queen, so ...

Just because the word can also be used to describe you, doesnt mean its directed at you.
Absolutely right. Context is key as I've said several times.


Bet you've called someone a bastard without thinking of the poor bastard child who might be sat behind you who could take offense to that?

Quite possibly, however this could be because in my society this hasn't been a real stigma for a generation or two, so unlikely to actually offend anyone.


If you think were going to not accept you because we say this sort of stuff, do you really think were going to accept you when you go off on a self righeous rant and try and change the way we speak?

"self righeous[sic] rant" - really? I assume that is at least in part directed at me as you've quoted my posts. I thought I was making an attempt at civilised discussion and rational argument.
As far as acceptance: don't do us any favours. We ARE already part of society, we are already human beings. White America wasn't doing black slaves a favour by freeing them, just returning to them what was already taken.

[Cloud]

Your dog? Really? Lol, well that depends on the breed I guess.
Female dogs are bitches. In case you werent aware

It is easy trivialise and say its minor when you aren't the victim of bullying. Bullying is often an ongoing and erosive process of denegration and intimidation, drop by drop.
If you publicise how much these words hurt you then you are only giving more fuel. If the bullies realise something else will upset you they will just use it more. trust me I know that from experience



Telling people not to be offended by insults is as disingenuous and futile as telling someone they should have dodged your grenade.
Someone hasnt seen the chinese grenade training gone wrong video



Quite possibly, however this could be because in my society this hasn't been a real stigma for a generation or two, so unlikely to actually offend anyone.
can you say for certain it doesnt offend anyone though?


"self righeous[sic] rant" - really? I assume that is at least in part directed at me as you've quoted my posts.
that was directed at the whole thread pretty much. its a "I do this because it sounds like its a good thing YOU SHOULD TO" thread....


I thought I was making an attempt at civilised discussion and rational argument.
you are actually, which is why i decided to post to see what kind of responses Id get

As far as acceptance: don't do us any favours. We ARE already part of society, we are already human beings. White America wasn't doing black slaves a favour by freeing them, just returning to them what was already taken.
I didnt mean that as a whole i meant that as the individuals who may not have come out and are making issues out of things like this

[TigerBoy]

Female dogs are bitches. In case you werent aware
Yes... I think thats pretty common knowledge. I was laughing at your conflation which I assumed was intended humorously ...

If you publicise how much these words hurt you then you are only giving more fuel. If the bullies realise something else will upset you they will just use it more. trust me I know that from experience
As I said previously, ignoring bullies just leads to them getting angry at being ignored in my experience. And I think loaded words like these are already very well known to bullies whether you react to them or not.

can you say for certain it doesnt offend anyone though?
Of course not. Quite the opposite: if I had used the word with deliberate insult, I'd expect offence would have been caused. Doesn't make that instance any more right. You are also conflating: there is nothing like the degree of intolerance and persecution towards "bastards" in my community as there are towards the LGBT members of that community.


that was directed at the whole thread pretty much. its a "I do this because it sounds like its a good thing YOU SHOULD TO" thread....
I agree - I'd rather use this to get both sides thinking clearly about this so it doesn't just become another rubber-stamped bit of PC nonsense getting spammed around tumblr.

I didnt mean that as a whole i meant that as the individuals who may not have come out and are making issues out of things like this
Yep, the gay community will only win friends by education and ALLOWING people to learn and change. There are some people in the LGBT community who are as intolerant and inflexible as any bigot on the other side of the fence.

That doesn't discount the fact that some people out there are being horribly hurt by bullying - according to a University of Cambridge study, 25% of gay youth have attempted suicide, and 56% attempted self harm. These aren't people "making an issue" - they'd really rather not have an issue in the first place.

[ForgottenSoul]

I don't necessarily get offended, it just bothers me. This boy who sits behind me in about every class (alphabetical order) always says 'that's so gay'. One day I was just siting there and he was talking to his friend. We were in History and we were given an assignment to do. He said "that's so gay" about the assignment. What I don't understand is, how can a paper be a man who likes men or a woman who likes women. I know they mean it as lame, but that is not the dictionary definition and it could be used in front of someone who could find it offensive. It's just a slightly offensive slang to say, if you understand what I mean.

[ImCoolBeans]

There is a fine line between casually saying (or saying it jokingly) and saying it with malicious intentions. I don't really say it too much because I know how it hits some people. Even if you think somebody is straight, they could possibly be gay, bisexual or questioning and the feeling of anxiety that they may have over the fear of rejection or the anticipation of being rejected is a very unpleasant feeling -- it's not one that I would want other people to have to feel. However, I personally don't really care too much when people say it, I'm a faggot and I'm not going to be broken over somebody saying it.

[Alexwellace]

I think these words have become bi-words. They no longer are ONLY sexual identities, but are bi-words for lame/pussy (note: another bi-word, how can i scaredy cat be a part of the female reproduction system being a bi-word for a cat??). Before taking offense context should be concidered. Children are naive, they will latch on to these words because others have, and they are not ment to be homophobic but mean something else entirily. But i always see Faggot as a derogatory term unless of course you are talking about a bunch of sticks.

You will have to face that the words are not ment with malicious intent most of the time, and that they have become bi-words for something else. The meaning of the bi-word is just plain unfortunate however, and id guess fueled by homophobia when it was at its peak. Homophobia is unacceptable, naivety is an inevitability and the bi-word comes from the naivest of people. Dont think down on yourself for their words, think down on them for them.

[Manjusri]

I wasn't going to post in this thread, i told myself i'd refrain from doing it.

It's obvious you've never heard of words having more than one meaning. Fag means cigarette in england. You're really going to get that butt hurt over a word? It's a fucking three letter word.

Even further more, if someone walks up to you with malicious intent and calls you a faggot.. why aren't you laughing? Seriously you need to grow thicker skin. People are going to try offending you with their words throughout your entire life, the sooner you get over it the better.

If i was gay, and someone made fun of me for it, i honestly can not say i would care. Now, that's a completely different story if people are degrading you every where you go for your sexual preference. However if a handful of kids are calling you a faggot, get over it.

It's a word. Words hurt only if you let them. You know who you are, you should be proud of it. Letting a 3 letter word bring down your morale isn't showing very much pride.

[TigerBoy]

@Alexwellace - Sure words can have multiple meanings. The fact remains that the meaning is provided by context. If a word is used in an offensive context then it is clearly not the same as when used in a benign context.

You will have to face that the words are not ment with malicious intent most of the time
Or perhaps "you will have to face the fact" that your intent isn't always clear to your listeners, a risk you take when using particular contentious words when other perfectly good words could have been used instead.

However if a handful of kids are calling you a faggot, get over it.
Your whole contribution to this (aside from parroting the previous posters point about words having multiple meanings) is simply to tell people not to be offended. If was that simple we'd have had a lot fewer wars over history: people clearly don't work like that.

The significant psychological effect of bullying doesn't come from a one off, trival-seeming bit of name calling, it is the repetition and combination with other forms of bullying over prolonged periods of time. Yes, one incident of name calling might be easy to shrug off. One incident every day of the week, for months, from multiple people ... not so much.

[Mob Boss]

Awww I agree it's an awful word to call someone. One of my best friends is gay, and he acts like it doesn't bother him when the jerks at our highschool used to call him it, but I could tell it did. People are malicious, so I guess you just have to overlook their ignorance and carry on.

[deadpie]

I think of the word faggot as a putdown and rude slang against gays. That's why I love to call myself a faggot. I'm a fucking faggot loser piece of shit garbage dickface motherfucking faggot ass piece of garbage fuck my dead stupid ugly face with a knife. I'm a faggot shit head stupid fuck i love fucking mens asses and sucking dick. I'm disgusting faggot boy.

[Pipo]

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[Manjusri]

Your whole contribution to this (aside from parroting the previous posters point about words having multiple meanings) is simply to tell people not to be offended. If was that simple we'd have had a lot fewer wars over history: people clearly don't work like that.

The significant psychological effect of bullying doesn't come from a one off, trival-seeming bit of name calling, it is the repetition and combination with other forms of bullying over prolonged periods of time. Yes, one incident of name calling might be easy to shrug off. One incident every day of the week, for months, from multiple people ... not so much.

Then maybe people should stop being so uptight over words. Maybe that's the point i was trying to make, ever think of that?

I know people get offended by words, and bullying, and all of that stupid shit. Why do you think i made that post? People need to stop being so afraid of words. If someone calls you a name just deal with it.

Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me. Didn't your parents ever teach you that? No one really follows that anymore. Maybe people should start taking the advice and get over name calling. You know it's stupid, you know they're being immature, so why stoop to their level and let it offend you? Buck up and move on.

[TigerBoy]

Phenomenon, I find your complete lack of understanding of human psychology even when it has been spelled out for you utterly baffling. It is futile to tell people to change in the way you are suggesting: people are not robots. If you don't believe me go try it in real life: go tell your teacher he's an arsehole and then tell him to 'deal with it'.

There was a time when people fought duels over often quite abstract points of honour and claimed offence over things we'd consider trivial today. These days people have legal recourse, because society recognises the concept of 'causing offence' in a wide variety of contexts including defamation. Society and the law disagree with you on the point of whether 'offence' can and should be ignored - does this not tell you something?

There's really not much point discussing this with you further unless you read and respond to specific points that have already been made: repeating the same "deal with it" message multiple times doesn't make your argument any more persuasive.

[Manjusri]

Phenomenon, I find your complete lack of understanding of human psychology even when it has been spelled out for you utterly baffling. It is futile to tell people to change in the way you are suggesting: people are not robots. If you don't believe me go try it in real life: go tell your teacher he's an arsehole and then tell him to 'deal with it'.

There was a time when people fought duels over often quite abstract points of honour and claimed offence over things we'd consider trivial today. These days people have legal recourse, because society recognises the concept of 'causing offence' in a wide variety of contexts including defamation. Society and the law disagree with you on the point of whether 'offence' can and should be ignored - does this not tell you something?

There's really not much point discussing this with you further unless you read and respond to specific points that have already been made: repeating the same "deal with it" message multiple times doesn't make your argument any more persuasive.

People like you are what's wrong with our society, you're getting offended over really minuscule things. You're really going to use our current society as an example of offense? People get offended over the most ridiculous things today, especially name calling.

If someone is calling you a name, stooping to their level and letting it get to you doesn't make you any better than them. I've made my point, but you seem not get the jest of it.

There is a difference between getting bullied, and having someone call you names. Yes, i do realize there are different forms of bullying, however that doesn't mean that some of the things people get offended by aren't ridiculous. If someone calls you a name, why would you let it get to you? If someone is physically and verbally harassing you that's a different story. But someone just calling you a name? A 3 letter word? To have it get to you that badly? Then shit, grow some thicker skin.

And even better yet, this thread was started about just using an offensive term generally! Not even using the term to harm another human, but an inanimate object, and you still get offended. Really?

Say someone walked up to you saying, "You're a faggot." Are you going to go home and mope about how shitty it is of that person to say that? Or are you going to be the better person and say, "Yeah i'm gay.. so what?"

Words only sting if you let them. Sorry but if you're still getting offended by someone calling you names - or just using an offensive word to curse an inanimate object - then you really need to grow up.

[TigerBoy]

People like you are what's wrong with our society, you're getting offended over really minuscule things.

Who said I'm offended? You really haven't been paying attention, have you?

You're really going to use our current society as an example of offense? People get offended over the most ridiculous things today, especially name calling.
Don't you read anything anyone else writes or do you just want to rant by yourself? Just in the previous post I gave an example of how people have been getting offended by silly things for the course of human history.


If someone is calling you a name, stooping to their level and letting it get to you doesn't make you any better than them. I've made my point, but you seem not get the jest of it.
The jest is your hypocrisy. I think the word you are looking for is 'gist'. "Letting it get to you" again assumes a non-emotional response which is not reasonable to expect of a human being. A point you seem to be continually missing.


There is a difference between getting bullied, and having someone call you names.
One is the means, the other is the end.

Then shit, grow some thicker skin.
Wow, you really aren't comprehending a single word I've said are you?

you really need to grow up.
You are the one who seems to be getting quite emotional - perhaps you should have a nap.

[Manjusri]

Who said I'm offended? You really haven't been paying attention, have you?


Don't you read anything anyone else writes or do you just want to rant by yourself? Just in the previous post I gave an example of how people have been getting offended by silly things for the course of human history.


The jest is your hypocrisy. I think the word you are looking for is 'gist'. "Letting it get to you" again assumes a non-emotional response which is not reasonable to expect of a human being. A point you seem to be continually missing.


One is the means, the other is the end.


Wow, you really aren't comprehending a single word I've said are you?


You are the one who seems to be getting quite emotional - perhaps you should have a nap.



Using you as an example, you seem pretty adamant on agreeing with the op. Which would inquire you also being offended by people using words.

Then if you understand people getting offended by silly things, why don't you understand how "silly" it is for people to get offended over using the word faggot?

Jest, gist. Would you like me to correct your spelling mistakes too? I know what emotions are, that still doesn't change the fact that getting overly emotional over words is ridiculous. Which is the point that you are continually missing.

Me getting emotional? I'm sorry i thought you said i'm not able to comprehend human emotional responses? Try not to contradict yourself kiddo.

You're not going to understand the position i'm coming from, that seems to be blatantly obvious. I'm not going to continue going back and forth with you, the only thing i have left to say is what i've been saying this whole time: Words only sting if you let them. Sorry but if you're still getting offended by someone calling you names - or just using an offensive word to curse an inanimate object - then you really need to grow up.

Whether you will be able to understand that or not is beyond me.

[TigerBoy]

Using you as an example, you seem pretty adamant on agreeing with the op. Which would inquire you also being offended by people using words.

Then I suggest you actually go read my posts more closely. (I think you meant "imply", not "inquire" ?)

Then if you understand people getting offended by silly things, why don't you understand how "silly" it is for people to get offended over using the word faggot?
Again, go read my posts , I'm getting really tired of repeating myself because you are too lazy to do so.

Jest, gist. Would you like me to correct your spelling mistakes too?
Why not?

I know what emotions are, that still doesn't change the fact that getting overly emotional over words is ridiculous. Which is the point that you are continually missing.
No, I just think you are being incredibly naive in suggesting people 'shouldn't' be emotional. Like I said - try that thing on your teacher and see how far your attitude gets you.

Me getting emotional? I'm sorry i thought you said i'm not able to comprehend human emotional responses? Try not to contradict yourself kiddo.
I never said anything of the sort: no contradiction. ('kiddo' - really, try not to get so worked up, it isn't healthy).

You're not going to understand the position i'm coming from, that seems to be blatantly obvious.
There is a difference between understanding and agreeing. I disagree with what you've said and given my reasons.

then you really need to grow up.
The number of emotive statements and turns of phrase you have used has hardly helped your case now, has it?

[Stephan]

I'll be straight forward with this.

In the past I have used those words, and even now so I still say it, but this is only when I am talking to myself. I avoid using these words because everyone has feelings, everyone is different and unique, I don't my words that mean nothing to me, mean something else for someone else.

That is all.

[Magnus Bane]

tiger boy is right in his first post people who use words in a harmful way should apologize because they could and probably would do it to be mean. now im gay and those words do hurt when people say them to me.

[Pierce]

I haven't really been posting on my own thread i started, but i'd like to thank Tigerboy for taking the time to argue with all those who posted. Because everything he has said is exactly what I, and i'm sure many others, believe and would have said. But i was busy and couldn't post so again I thank you TigerBoy for standing up for more than just your own ideals here.

[horizonlooker]

I used to use "faggot" and "gay" in my vocab on a daily basis. I refuse to say "faggot" or any of it's slang anymore...not because I'm bi, but because it's just a mean thing to say.
Yeah, I do say "that's gay" all the time, but that's because I always have, and my gay friends could give two shits about it. I don't call people "gay" or any derogative words/names though, because that offends and hurts people.