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[Aηdy]

Please vote in the poll to show whether you are cut (circumcised) or uncut. This thread is for any discussion of circumcision, but however:

If you want to debate the advantages/disadvantages of being cut or uncut, do so in the debate forum (http://virtualteen.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=29).

[Joe3140]

Lol. no problem although i wa proud of starting such a popular thread :lol:

Anyway Im cut and its fine with me. Jackin off feels good, no problems, everything works fine, so whats the difference....oh yeah, the foreskin :lol:

But seriously either way you have a penis and two testicles so Id say that makes it all the same.

[Rain Boy]

Ok we're going to balance things out because I'm uncut. As Joe said, it's a penis, but we have to roll back and clean which isn't the end of the world.

[thesonicguy]

"Are You Cut ot Un-Cut?"
I thinks it's "Are You Or Un-Cut"

Un-Cut :D

[magicjack8]

I'm not circumcised, and I find that my foreskin is very tight around the head of my penis. This means that when I try to wash my penis it hurts to pull back the foreskin and when I try to pull my foreskin back (when masturbating) it hurts to the point where I can't pull it back at all.

What should I do?

[Malcolm Tucker]

Hmm im not an expert but if it bothers you try trying to expand it (i remember this from an earlier thread) by pulling it back to the point where it hurts, and repeat that once everyday. I think thats what it was.....

Michael

[byee]

Hmm im not an expert but if it bothers you try trying to expand it (i remember this from an earlier thread) by pulling it back to the point where it hurts, and repeat that once everyday. I think thats what it was.....

Michael


No, NOT until it hurts! Apply gentle, even pressure to pull it back slowly and gradually when you are in the shower. Do NOT force it, do NOT attempt to stretch it all the way back the first time. Work it slowly, it will take time (as in weeks or months!).

[Tatsuya]

im cut......coz to my religion it is a must:D

[Gavin]

what religion is that (Taoru)

[martin]

I'm Cut.

[Doug Advueu]

yeah, i'me uncut which works for me. I like it better than the uncut way. jerkin off feels alot better.

[MRSPOILED]

Well I Am Cut Lol It Really Cool.....it Dosent Hurt At All When O Jack Off....i Think Its Better Then Being..uncut......buz You Can Go Wilder With Jaking Of/sex....if You Have A Cut Penis....becuz You Dont Even Have To Worry About The Foreskin...lol If You Have Any Question Message Me.

[byee]

yeah, i'me uncut which works for me. I like it better than the uncut way. jerkin off feels alot better.

Well I Am Cut Lol It Really Cool.....it Dosent Hurt At All When O Jack Off....i Think Its Better Then Being..uncut......buz You Can Go Wilder With Jaking Of/sex....if You Have A Cut Penis....becuz You Dont Even Have To Worry About The Foreskin...lol If You Have Any Question Message Me.


These threads always seem to deteriorate into the 'Mine's better than yours', which I suppose is just human nature, i mean, who wants to believe that what they've got ISN'T as good! But, as one who's experienced both, although there are differences (obviously), there is NO difference in pleasure.

[Patchy]

im cut......coz to my religion it is a must:D

what religion is that (Taoru)

Isnt people of the Jewish religion have to be cut...I know its a common practice among the Jewish faith but I didnt realise it was a must

[Θάνατος]

I am cut and glad I am I think a cut penis looks a lot better.

[mitchiev]

uncut

[oceans4444]

I'm Cut and Proud, but sometimes i'd like to know what its like to masterbate witha foreskin.

[jdude]

i am cut :) its amazing!

[dannyley]

I'm uncut, it feels better

[Aηdy]

I'm uncut, it feels better

How do you know that!?

[byee]

Well, I know that, and I can tell you there's no diff in pleasure. Sorry to break it to you, but there might be 'differences' with or without skin, but pleasure ain't one of them!

[Aηdy]

Well, I know that, and I can tell you there's no diff in pleasure. Sorry to break it to you, but there might be 'differences' with or without skin, but pleasure ain't one of them!

I agree, I'm cut, and the pleasure is just as good!

[lardlad2002]

im cut and it sucks. my best friend is un-cut and says it feels so much better to masturbate. id give anything to still have it. i am deffinatly NOT circumsizeing my kids.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

How does he know it is better? Studies show it is basically the same. Being cut is cleaner, and I personally like it. Your friend is Bullsh*tting you.

[NPsweetass]

I can say that from a girls prespective, it doesnt feel different when your having intercourse whether a guy is cut or not. If I'm giving head I like cut bettr, but I just like how uncut looks a lot morr...so I don't know, I guess...lol

[byee]

im cut and it sucks. my best friend is un-cut and says it feels so much better to masturbate. id give anything to still have it. i am deffinatly NOT circumsizeing my kids.

As you wish, but I'm speaking from personal exoerience, having been cut at 15. Both you and your friend have only one perspective here, not valid in making the determination of which is 'better'. Again, there's no diff in pleasure, you are not missing anything, and your kid won't necessarily be better off. Give it some time, your feelings about it might change with experience.

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[Aηdy]

Its only a foreskin, not exacly something as significant as a leg!

[byee]

Cut and doesn't like it.

When I was cut, Even though it was when I was an infant and obviously can't remember it, I don't think my parents were asked, and what really bothers me is:

Even if my parents did say "Ok, go ahead", Was I asked whether or not I would consent to the procedure? Just because I'm an infant and can't speak and give my opinion means it's okay to do it? It's the same thing with abortion. Just because the fetus is not fully formed, can't speak, or even do anything means it's not alive, "It's not technically killing" (So say those who say so)? BS.

I want to know why is it not okay to do something to a person without their permission, and yet, why is it okay to remove a bit of a newborn male infant's genitals?

That's my 2 dollars (Sorry for long post)

Well, i'm truly sorry you feel so violated. But, let me give you a little change back from your 2 dollars. First, it sounds like you have a case of parental resentment. Do you typically resent your parent's authority? Do you not trust their judgement generally? Do you really think they did this because they wanted to deprive you of something? I think most parents make the decision (either to circ or not) based on what they sincerely believe is 'better'. Why you think your parents wouldn't/couldn't/didn't is something you might think on instead of missing something you never had the experience to miss in the first place.

It's always interesting to me that guys who have not experienced what foreskin is like can have such strong feelings about it. It's not like you had it and remembered it and loved it and it was taken away from you. So, i have to believe your (and guys like you) perspective is coming from something else.

Rather than feel cheated your whole life over something that, again, you have no idea about, maybe you should just wait a while, and see if your feelings change as you get some experience. And maybe you should talk with your parents and verify if they really are as selfish and stupid as you're making them seem.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I agree with Sam on this topic. He has had experiance with both, and you guys should listen to him:D

[Rain Boy]

Cut and doesn't like it.

When I was cut, Even though it was when I was an infant and obviously can't remember it, I don't think my parents were asked,

[/I] (Sorry for long post)

Judging from some things I have read on the web, it seems that in some hospitals, they are sneaky about it and don't discuss it. They put a consent form in a stack of papers parents are signing, or they come down and more or less take the infant away to do it, as if it is just a normal part of their day.

I can see why you would be pissed off about that, it's not a good system. Overall I think it should not be done automatically to boys. OTOH, I am uncircumcised and think foreskin has its pros and also downsides, so having one does not mean you attain penis nirvana:D

[Maverick]

Judging from some things I have read on the web, it seems that in some hospitals, they are sneaky about it and don't discuss it. They put a consent form in a stack of papers parents are signing, or they come down and more or less take the infant away to do it, as if it is just a normal part of their day.

I can see why you would be pissed off about that, it's not a good system. Overall I think it should not be done automatically to boys. OTOH, I am uncircumcised and think foreskin has its pros and also downsides, so having one does not mean you attain penis nirvana:D
The hospital can't do it without the parent's consent. They just don't do it otherwise they can get themselves in serious trouble.

Either way there's nothing anyone can do if you're cut and there are so much more things you should worry about. At the end of the day it's just a piece of skin.

[byee]

Judging from some things I have read on the web, it seems that in some hospitals, they are sneaky about it and don't discuss it. They put a consent form in a stack of papers parents are signing, or they come down and more or less take the infant away to do it, as if it is just a normal part of their day.

I can see why you would be pissed off about that, it's not a good system. Overall I think it should not be done automatically to boys. OTOH, I am uncircumcised and think foreskin has its pros and also downsides, so having one does not mean you attain penis nirvana:D


If you believe this, then you also must believe that martians routinely come and abduct humans, returning them many years later, in an unaltered state. LOL!

Seriously, now, do you really believe that a doctor would perform a medical procedure on you without the consent of your parents? C'mon. Besides, the cost of a circ at birth is so small that it's not really worth 'sneaking' it in there.

You were cut (or left alone) simply because your parents thought it was best for you. There's no subterfuge involved.

[thesonicguy]

im cut and it sucks. my best friend is un-cut and says it feels so much better to masturbate. id give anything to still have it. i am deffinatly NOT circumsizeing my kids.

I'm uncut, And I think I will do the same.

And I think It's does feels better, I guess.

[nlb91]

I'm cut and personally don't see any problem with it.

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[Serenity]

Groszewski, to avoid double posting, use the Edit feature to add to your first post. Thanks!

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Gorszewski, parents do it for religious, health, and cleanliness reasons. Circumsision is a health matter, and that is the main reason it is done. Circumsision&health (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15523&highlight=Health+benefits+of+circumsision) Anyway, why get worked up over it? Its only a flap of skin, and when removed, you remove many potential health risks.

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[Maverick]

If you want to know why you have to ask your parents.

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[byee]

Again: If it all comes down to just skin, why fix something that's not broken.

It's not so much the removed foreskin, but why was my right of choice not enforced? There's no point in arguing about the removal of foreskin, it's already happened and can't be reversed-no point in arguing about it, but What I'm really trying to get at is why nobody told me "Okay, we will perform this procedure, but do agree to it?" I know Virtual Teen spans over the world, and I'm American. And as an American citizen (and under general Human Ethics) I am entitled to make my own decisions whether it be for my own personal gain, or to the pitfall of others.

I understand your perspective here, alot of guys talk about the 'choice' issue. But, let's face it. Kids (infants, especially) really don't have much choice. That's why they have parents, to make the important decisions on their behalf, to do what they believe is best for them. Why you cannot accept this, why 'choice' for you is that important, is the real issue. Most guys are pretty happy with what they have, ask yourself why you're not.

Regardless of how 'Shady' things might be in your neck of the woods, the idea that this was done to you in some kind of a sneaky, underhanded fashion, without the full consent of your folks is really preposterous. Again, ask yourself why you choose to believe this, try to understand what this says about you.

There are benefits to being cut, benefits to being uncut. But there is no diff in pleasure, so why guys get so worked up over this (while most don't) is really the issue.

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[Dolphus Raymond]

I don't see what's offensive about what Groszewski is saying. Parents aren't perfect. They may assume that something is obligatory when it's not. Ninety percent of parents in the 1970s circumcised their children. If you think all of them did it with full education and after researching the pros and cons, you're a lot more generous about the average person's medical education than I am. Some parents don't give it a second thought. I think that's disappointing. If you're permanently modifying a part of the anatomy that might be missed, you should really have a higher standard than "he'll look like dad" or "I met a nurse who said she heard it was healthier."

IAMSAM, although I respect your opinion and all, anecdotal evidence isn't exactly scientifically great. The theory of circumcision-related sensitivity loss relates to keratinization. The glans becomes hard and tougher with gradual exposure. That means gradual; in other words, it would likely be so gradual that you wouldn't notice much, and it would take years to show full effect anyway. There are studies with conflicting results on sensitivity. Some say it makes no difference to the glans sensitivity. There's pretty wide agreement that the foreskin itself is sensitive. Whether being uncircumcised makes for more pleasure is unclear. I don't really bother arguing which is superior or inferior, because I don't honestly care. It's individual preference (you said it yourself). I think that choice is the more important matter. Be thankful that you had it. That's all I'm saying.

I think people should try to be happy with what they have. But if someone feels that they should have had the choice over their body, I can't blame them. I personally agree that it should be a choice. Since when does disagreeing with a parental choice mean you think your parents are sadistic jerks who wanted to hurt you? It doesn't. There is a reason that, along with the advent of the Internet, the rates have fallen below 60% (and to about 25% on the West Coast), and it's been abandoned most everywhere outside of the U.S. Questioning tradition is a part of maturity. That's why our parents encouraged us to think.

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[byee]

I don't see what's offensive about what Groszewski is saying. Parents aren't perfect. They may assume that something is obligatory when it's not. Ninety percent of parents in the 1970s circumcised their children. If you think all of them did it with full education and after researching the pros and cons, you're a lot more generous about the average person's medical education than I am. Some parents don't give it a second thought. I think that's disappointing. If you're permanently modifying a part of the anatomy that might be missed, you should really have a higher standard than "he'll look like dad" or "I met a nurse who said she heard it was healthier."

IAMSAM, although I respect your opinion and all, anecdotal evidence isn't exactly scientifically great. The theory of circumcision-related sensitivity loss relates to keratinization. The glans becomes hard and tougher with gradual exposure. That means gradual; in other words, it would likely be so gradual that you wouldn't notice much, and it would take years to show full effect anyway. There are studies with conflicting results on sensitivity. Some say it makes no difference to the glans sensitivity. There's pretty wide agreement that the foreskin itself is sensitive. Whether being uncircumcised makes for more pleasure is unclear. I don't really bother arguing which is superior or inferior, because I don't honestly care. It's individual preference (you said it yourself). I think that choice is the more important matter. Be thankful that you had it. That's all I'm saying.

I think people should try to be happy with what they have. But if someone feels that they should have had the choice over their body, I can't blame them. I personally agree that it should be a choice. Since when does disagreeing with a parental choice mean you think your parents are sadistic jerks who wanted to hurt you? It doesn't. There is a reason that, along with the advent of the Internet, the rates have fallen below 60% (and to about 25% on the West Coast), and it's been abandoned most everywhere outside of the U.S. Questioning tradition is a part of maturity. That's why our parents encouraged us to think.

I think the issue that's been raised isn't so much the perceived value of circ Vs. foreskin (or the other way around), but rather the issue of 'choice'. I think people have issues with 'choice' either because they have a larger problem with authority/control/trust, so their emotional issue gets inextricably associated with their penis, or they have been led to think that a bad choice was made for them, and that as a result they are missing out on something (in this case, penile nirvana). The implicit message being that if you could, you would have (or should have) made a different choice (i.e. keep your foreskin).This comes from the anti circ crowd, who, for whatever reasons, have taken a take-no-prisoners approach to their goal of reducing the number of circ's by whatever means possible, including the fearsome 'loss of sensitivity/pleasure' argument that you duplicitiously added to your post, while simultaneously stating that you don't bother arguing or that you honestly don't care. The problem with these tactics, besides the clear hypocracy, dishonesty and selfishness that they embody, is that in order win converts to your side (i.e. to get guys to not want to circ their future sons), you have to devastate them first by making them feel permanently damaged. The goal here isn't 'education' or enlightenment. It's change. There isn't much room in the argument for those with a differing opinion, there's little tolerance for differeing experiences. It's laughable that the anti circ side actually uses the 'choice' argument, as they are so unwilling to acknowledge the validity of a choice other than their own. Your dismissing my experience, simply because you find it 'inconvienent' and not supporting your opinion bears this out. Unfortunately, you also close your mind and miss an important opportunity to learn in the process. This does not make you a credible source of information.

This idea that doctors make mistakes, that they are 'biased', that 'people don't give things the scientific weight they deserve' again, appeals to raw emotion, but it's simply not supported by the facts. I live with 2 generations of doctors on both sides of the family, and doctors get to be that way with lots of training and education and experience. They do not care what behaviors or habits you engage in, they are not judgemental or opinionated, they are just there to provide answers and offer options based on all that training and experience. What you do when you leave their office is really up to you. They do not have a personal emotional investment in your decision, their responsibility is to provide info. Newborns aren't/weren't being secreted away without parental consent for the snip. What I've come to understand is that all those health benefits of circ that were found to be true in the mid 20th century (when it became routine) are still true today, no one has debunked them. However, those reasons seem less important today to many people, I'd like to think that's the reason the rate is dropping, not that parents don't take the time to do the research. It's impossible to know what your son might feel many years later or what he might want, so parents probably make the decision based on their own experience. You make this seem ignorant. It's not, just human nature. And, although you'd have us believe that only those who leave their son's with foreskin are enlightened, I'm sure that the same decision making process is used on both sides. So, 'Choice' isn't a valid argument here because whatever was decided, a choice was made. Because you either agree with the choice, or feel like the beneficiary doesn't take away from the simple fact the choice was made for you, and that undoing that choice would be very painful, indeed. I do not feel 'fortunate' because my parents left my foreskin attached. It frankly turned out not to be worth the bother.

Lastly, let me say that i am neither an expert on the subject of circ, nor do i want to get into endless debate over it. I enjoyed my foreskin, but not so much because it was 'better' that it is now (it's really not), but because it was a part of me, of my penis. However, because I generally feel good about myself and who i am, I am sure that no matter what 'choice' my parents made for me at birth i'd be AOK with it now (as most guys are). You (and the anti circ crowd) would do well to ask yourselves why, even with foreskin, you spend so much of your time and energy defending it. Instead of trying to feel better about something else with these circ arguments, why not spend the time addressing what it is that's really making you unhappy. Making others needlessly unhappy cannot possibly serve any constructive purpose.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Well, here we go.

I think the issue that's been raised isn't so much the perceived value of circ Vs. foreskin (or the other way around), but rather the issue of 'choice'. I think people have issues with 'choice' either because they have a larger problem with authority/control/trust, so their emotional issue gets inextricably associated with their penis, or they have been led to think that a bad choice was made for them, and that as a result they are missing out on something (in this case, penile nirvana). The implicit message being that if you could, you would have (or should have) made a different choice (i.e. keep your foreskin).

I can't really defend people who are elevating uncircumcisedness to "penile nirvana." But you're veering dangerously toward strawman territory, here. I don't think people think they are missing on "penile nirvana." As moderator at GovTeen, I've spoken to a lot of people who are upset about having been circumcised. Very few of them think that. It's more practical. They want the gliding action. They don't like the tightness of the circumcision. They don't hate being circumcised, but faced with the information, they strongly believe it should have been their choice.

This comes from the anti circ crowd, who, for whatever reasons, have taken a take-no-prisoners approach to their goal of reducing the number of circ's by whatever means possible, including the fearsome 'loss of sensitivity/pleasure' argument that you duplicitiously added to your post, while simultaneously stating that you don't bother arguing or that you honestly don't care. The problem with these tactics, besides the clear hypocracy, dishonesty and selfishness that they embody, is that in order win converts to your side (i.e. to get guys to not want to circ their future sons), you have to devastate them first by making them feel permanently damaged.

Woah, hold back there. I said that there is conflicted evidence about whether circumcision reduces sensitivity. The foreskin has nerve endings...it's skin. Some studies indicate it has erogenous properties. You don't know me, so I'm going to give you credit here. The last thing I want to do is make people feel like crap.

I do want people not to circumcise their children, yeah. I'm straight-up about that. But I do not want people to feel mutilated. I'm not a zealot and I'm not a jerk. I'm kind of hurt that you assume that. Yes, I want to convince them that it was wrong to do. But, yes, I also think it's pretty trivial. But just because it is trivial does not mean it should continue.

The goal here isn't 'education' or enlightenment. It's change. There isn't much room in the argument for those with a differing opinion, there's little tolerance for differeing experiences. It's laughable that the anti circ side actually uses the 'choice' argument, as they are so unwilling to acknowledge the validity of a choice other than their own. Your dismissing my experience, simply because you find it 'inconvienent' and not supporting your opinion bears this out. Unfortunately, you also close your mind and miss an important opportunity to learn in the process. This does not make you a credible source of information.

Could you please stop imposing anti-circumcision zealots' views over mine? Read what I said again. I don't trust anecdotal evidence from either side when it comes to sensitivity. I'd just as quickly devalue comments from people who have restored their foreskin and find the sensitivity much better. It's anecdotal! No scientist accepts anecdotal evidence when empirical evidence is available. Especially when anecdotal evidence is coming from only one person.

That's scientific procedure 101. I'm pretty sure you know that.

This idea that doctors make mistakes, that they are 'biased', that 'people don't give things the scientific weight they deserve' again, appeals to raw emotion, but it's simply not supported by the facts. I live with 2 generations of doctors on both sides of the family, and doctors get to be that way with lots of training and education and experience. They do not care what behaviors or habits you engage in, they are not judgemental or opinionated, they are just there to provide answers and offer options based on all that training and experience. What you do when you leave their office is really up to you. They do not have a personal emotional investment in your decision, their responsibility is to provide info.

Are you really arguing that doctors don't make mistakes or have personal biases on issues? They're humans. Of course they can, and they do. I'm not supporting the earlier comment about some mass attempt to circumcise children without their parents' permission. I'm really not crazy. Honestly! I promise.

Newborns aren't/weren't being secreted away without parental consent for the snip. What I've come to understand is that all those health benefits of circ that were found to be true in the mid 20th century (when it became routine) are still true today, no one has debunked them. However, those reasons seem less important today to many people, I'd like to think that's the reason the rate is dropping, not that parents don't take the time to do the research. It's impossible to know what your son might feel many years later or what he might want, so parents probably make the decision based on their own experience. You make this seem ignorant. It's not, just human nature.

Does dad preferring being circumcised make the son more likely to prefer it too in any way? No. And if it's impossible to know, give him the own choice.

You're confusing me with the "uncircumcised is better" crowd. I'm the "neither is inherently better; give them a choice" crowd. I said as much.

And, although you'd have us believe that only those who leave their son's with foreskin are enlightened, I'm sure that the same decision making process is used on both sides.

God no. A lot of the drop in rates is Hispanics, who probably make an equally uneducated decision about it. I'm not meaning to imply any such thing. If I did, I shouldn't have.

[Edit: At least they might on average, considering how hard bilingual medical information on stuff like that is to find. I assume most just go with "tradition." Even though I think that ends up at the right choice, I think the thoughtlessness is no better. I didn't mean to say that all Hispanics are medically uneducated, of course.]

So, 'Choice' isn't a valid argument here because whatever was decided, a choice was made. Because you either agree with the choice, or feel like the beneficiary doesn't take away from the simple fact the choice was made for you, and that undoing that choice would be very painful, indeed. I do not feel 'fortunate' because my parents left my foreskin attached. It frankly turned out not to be worth the bother.

But if you had no ability to get circumcised, and had to say as you were - unhappy - would you feel the same way?

Lastly, let me say that i am neither an expert on the subject of circ, nor do i want to get into endless debate over it. I enjoyed my foreskin, but not so much because it was 'better' that it is now (it's really not), but because it was a part of me, of my penis. However, because I generally feel good about myself and who i am, I am sure that no matter what 'choice' my parents made for me at birth i'd be AOK with it now (as most guys are). You (and the anti circ crowd) would do well to ask yourselves why, even with foreskin, you spend so much of your time and energy defending it. Instead of trying to feel better about something else with these circ arguments, why not spend the time addressing what it is that's really making you unhappy. Making others needlessly unhappy cannot possibly serve any constructive purpose.

I'm...really not unhappy. At all. Medicine and ethics both fascinate me. They merge, here. I don't care about this because I want people to look like me, or because I feel threatened by being in the minority. I'm sure plenty of anti-circ people feel that way. Plenty of people on the pro- and anti- sides freak me the hell out. I'm not one of those people. You should have the good grace not to make that assumption.

I'm not implying you're psychologically unstable because you're disagreeing with me. It would be kind of nice to get the same in return.

[byee]

Thanks for proving everything I've said about the anti -circ movement! It's too bad you cannot see that what you've just written indicates a complete lack of understanding of what I've said, but more importantly, is incredibly hostile and one sided, and can be both frightening and hurtful to some.

[Dolphus Raymond]

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I re-read my post three times. I don't think I was being hostile at all. And "frightening" and "hurtful" how?

You accused me of intentionally making people feel bad about their bodies just to "win" an argument. I said I didn't appreciate that. That's the only remotely "hostile" thing I said. I can't see how anything approaches "frightening" or "hurtful."

If I misunderstood you, please show me how instead of dismissing me. If I'm being logically one-sided, please show me where. I'm not a member of the "anti-circ" movement. Let's treat each other as individuals, not members of some giant shadow group. OK? :)

[Maverick]

I feel that guys here are beating a dead horse with a stick. Everyone's morals are going to be different and what one may consider right may be wrong for the other. Everyone can have the oppurtunity to look at the objective facts and come to their own conclusions. I feel that at the end of the day this is just a piece of skin on a penis and circumcision or not will have minor effect on the kids life.

No one can "win" this argument because it's all subjective with personal preference and morals.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Probably true. But if we had to only have arguments with objective solutions, the internet would collapse in on itself or something.

It's minor (although I wouldn't exactly call it "just a piece of skin") for most people, but I think it's worth questioning anything done automatically to millions of people that they may resent (even if most of them won't). It's just nice to get people thinking about it, even if they end up disagreeing with me. (But start a debate up on vaccination or something and we'll probably be on the same side, SAM. I'll write hyper-long posts agreeing with you! It'll be a party.)

I still don't think I was a jerk at all, but you seem sane and quite reasonable in all of the other topics I've seen you in, so I owe you the benefit of the doubt.

Friends?

[byee]

I feel that guys here are beating a dead horse with a stick. Everyone's morals are going to be different and what one may consider right may be wrong for the other. Everyone can have the oppurtunity to look at the objective facts and come to their own conclusions. I feel that at the end of the day this is just a piece of skin on a penis and circumcision or not will have minor effect on the kids life.

No one can "win" this argument because it's all subjective with personal preference and morals.


You know, Anthony, I really like this place so much because it is so well run. The goal really is to provide info and support and comfort, and those in charge facilitate that by keeping things level and under control, and that people dont get carried away with their own agenda. And as always, you're correct here, and you're keeping a watchful eye out for the young 'uns.

However, the issue here isn't so much about morality, it's about respect, specifically, the right that people have to come online and not get frigtenened or intimidated or otherwise bullied into believing things that aren't necessarily true. Or worse, to question themselves in the most personal ways. We all have opinions about things, everything, actually. But that isn't a license to share them at the expense of someone elses feelings.

I'm going to stop now.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I'm sorry, I seem to have missed the post where I said that if you support circumcision, I'll run over your dog.

Frightened? Intimidated? Bullied? Where is this coming from? Are all of my emotions showing up as knives? If not, you must really, really be misunderstanding something I said. Because there's no way I've said anything "intimidating."

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Lets not start this again! Please!!! Argh!:( Let it end!!!

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[Dolphus Raymond]

I don't think anyone here is mentioning mutilation. There are certainly extremists, some of them out to hurt feelings, but I'm not one of them. I just want to make that very clear.

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[Serenity]

I feel that guys here are beating a dead horse with a stick. Everyone's morals are going to be different and what one may consider right may be wrong for the other. Everyone can have the oppurtunity to look at the objective facts and come to their own conclusions. I feel that at the end of the day this is just a piece of skin on a penis and circumcision or not will have minor effect on the kids life.

No one can "win" this argument because it's all subjective with personal preference and morals.

Indeed. I think you guys really need to just agree to disagree and let it go, it's never going to end.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I agree with above post:D Let it die!!!

[Maverick]

Agreed. Please take anymore heated discussion of this to the debate forum Thanks.

[Dolphus Raymond]

That's fine with me. SAM, if you're still interested in discussing this, you can feel free to start a debate topic about it. I'm not really interested if you're going to say I'm intimidating you and not tell me why. I prefer to keep it to the medical/ethical side than the personal.

Otherwise, I think this best he kept to PM so we don't clog this topic up anymore.

Anyway, thanks, Ant & Valerie. Sorry for the trouble. :)

[Tatsuya]

what religion is that (Taoru)


well.........people who is a muslim?....or islam:yes:

[jsmart]

whoa my vote just made the poll uneven, although its nice to have about the same amount of guys being even and uneven

[Aηdy]

whoa my vote just made the poll uneven, although its nice to have about the same amount of guys being even and uneven
Yeah, it just goes to show, how even it is.

[DJC91]

Is it true that if you shave your pubic hair that it will grow back really fast?

i was never sure about this because i shaved my pubic area in january and it was back to full length by march, but since then ive done it a second time and hardly anything has grown back.

any ideas:confused:

[Aηdy]

Well it will gow at te same rate as normal, like the hair on your head, it grows at a pretty much constant speed no matter how long/short it is!

[TexasGuy600]

Im uncut and lovin it!

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[Rain Boy]

Uncuts pulled ahead. Ha. One foreskin, one vote.

[surenix]

Im uncut and loving it but what are some ups and downs of not being cut. All of the guys in my class are cut but me and my best friend and are always making fun of us what should be do?

[thesonicguy]

Im uncut and loving it but what are some ups and downs of not being cut. All of the guys in my class are cut but me and my best friend and are always making fun of us what should be do?

This post is from Hannibal Lector MD. http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15523
This will answer your question.

[byee]

[QUOTE=surenix;188928]Im uncut and loving it but what are some ups and downs of not being cut. All of the guys in my class are cut but me and my best friend and are always making fun of us what should be do?[/QUOTE

The best 'Up' I can think of being uncut is that it's you! You should enjoy it, and feel good about it, simply because it's yours. It's not better or worse.

It's too bad there are guys in your class who are so insecure with themselves that they give you a hard time. That's what it is, you know, that nagging sense that because you're different in that little way, it's too threatening for them. Maybe understanding it might help you tolerate it a bit better. Response? None. Don't play into their insecurity by responding. Eventually, it'll stop if you ignore it.

[Dolphus Raymond]

This post is from Hannibal Lector MD. http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15523
This will answer your question.

I don't want to sound like a broken record of my post in that topic, but the source of that web site is biased toward the pro-circumcision side and not particularly subtle about it. It's hard to find unbiased information, but that site doesn't even try. I don't think presenting it as unbiased is fair to do. (I can explain again why it's biased - fudging stats, picking and choosing, discussing surgical risks as if they were the only "downsides" of circumcision.) But I think you get the idea...everyone has an agenda.

I agree with SAM. Guys are defensive about their penises. They don't want to think they're "missing out." They seek comfort in numbers. Cut guys make fun of uncut guys, and vice-versa. It's dumb, it's baseless, it makes no sense. Why do they care about your penis? They really don't - this is about them.

Like being uncut? Enjoy it. Like being cut? Enjoy it. People giving you a hard time? Tell them to back the hell off, or ignore them. It's probably just off-handed idiocy anyway.

I've been in a gym where two uncut guys were making fun of a cut one. He just brushed them off and told them to stop looking at his penis. Worked a charm. Should for you, too.

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[byee]

Look what I found, here on puberty101.com: *http://www.puberty101.com/p_circumcision.shtml*




This information presented here, in my opinion, does not seem very pro- or anti-. Bt, not the sentence saying "-unnecessary if guys clean under their foreskin as they shower."

I said it once, I will say it many times over and over: If it ain't yours, it ain't broken, and it's fine the way it is, hands off!

When push comes to shove, I've got :bigsmash: , :banana: , :turkey: , and godforbid: :chinese: The dreaded Victor Charlie


You know, Groszewski, you've got a real issue with this, esp since your response has really nothing to do with the prior question. Listen, you're 13, leave the door open just a crack for the possibility that your feelings about this, and yourself, might change as you get older and you get more accustomed to yourself. Eventhough circ is currently falling from favor, it doesn't mean that you've been cheated out of something because the 'choice' made might have been different from the one you think you would have made.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Let's not again, guys.

You can (of course) feel strongly about something being wrong without having a "real issue" about it (and, unrelatedly, I don't see why we're putting "choice" in quotes). But, otherwise, Sam has a point. We have a topic (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15837) for discussing the ethical issues about circumcision. Valid points as I think those are, Groszewski, this issue makes people feel emotional enough already without involving morality.

The moderators asked us to keep that issue separated from this topic, and I think we should respect that.

[Aηdy]

Let's not again, guys.

You can (of course) feel strongly about something being wrong without having a "real issue" about it (and, unrelatedly, I don't see why we're putting "choice" in quotes). But, otherwise, Sam has a point. We have a topic (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15837) for discussing the ethical issues about circumcision. Valid points as I think those are, Groszewski, this issue makes people feel emotional enough already without involving morality.

The moderators asked us to keep that issue separated from this topic, and I think we should respect that.

Thank you. Any more discussion about this what-so-ever will result in official warnings and could lead to infractions.

[matts13]

im uncut, and i find that since i started masterbating i didnt have to clean my penis anymore as it was all rubbed of by my foreskin. anyone else found that?

[free2bme]

im uncut and when i masturbate i always have to clean under the forskin

[Rain Boy]

When I masturbate I get ejaculate under the foreskin and it gets stinky after awhile if I don't wash. I clean in my morning shower and after I j/o.

[Aηdy]

When I masturbate I get ejaculate under the foreskin and it gets stinky after awhile if I don't wash. I clean in my morning shower and after I j/o.

Was that a question or a statement?

[Rain Boy]

Was that a question or a statement?

It was a statement answering a recent question.

[MoveAlong]

im uncut, and i find that since i started masterbating i didnt have to clean my penis anymore as it was all rubbed of by my foreskin. anyone else found that?

No, it doesn't clean it at all. If you had something under there that was visible, that could of been wisked away, but no that doesn't happen and in fact your foreskin can become dirtier if you masturbate and don't ever clean your cock. Always clean your cock. Whether you're cut or uncut. Period.

[drcarter24]

Uncut

[sroy18]

i hate bein cut espec as i live in ireland i was only guy in my year who was cut and hated getin changed in p.e as i thougt every1 wouod of laughed, but im thinkin of gettin an operition if there is one to get my foreskin back any advice pleaese send personal mail

[dannyley]

i hate bein cut espec as i live in ireland i was only guy in my year who was cut and hated getin changed in p.e as i thougt every1 wouod of laughed, but im thinkin of gettin an operition if there is one to get my foreskin back any advice pleaese send personal mail

I don't think any operation can reatatch it

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[Maverick]

just search the web for other non-surgical techniques and such.
No, don't do that, you'll just hurt yourself.

What you should do is accept what you got and live with it. It's just a penis and there are bigger, more important things to worry about in life.

[byee]

i hate bein cut espec as i live in ireland i was only guy in my year who was cut and hated getin changed in p.e as i thougt every1 wouod of laughed, but im thinkin of gettin an operition if there is one to get my foreskin back any advice pleaese send personal mail


I can understand your feeling different, and the discomfort you experience (in the USA it's the reverse, though). Same advice, though. Accept yourself for who you are, and maybe enjoy the simple little fact that you're special in some very personal (although currently too public) a way.

There are surgical techniques (and of course the ultra silly 'restoration', which results in a deformity)that sorta give you the kinda appearance of foreskin, but the function is different since the skin is different, and there's considerable pain involved. It might be easier to look at it as something very special and neat about you.

[free2bme]

dont do surgery bad thins can happen its better to have a cut penis than none at all

[Sogeking]

is it true ur penis can grow bigger if ur cut?

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

No, the head may look bigger, slightly, but it doesnt make a real difference. It wont "grow bigger"

[TheDude]

Does it matter if you have too much foreskin as long as you can still cum

[Actor]

i'm cut for religion

[gordonlee]

I just joined today and found this topic very interesting.

There is a huge difference in the sexual pleasure a guy gets from being uncut versus a guy who is cut.

The foreskin provides the following benefits:

1) Keeps the head (glans) of the penis covered and moist. If you look at the glans of a guy over 30 years old who was cut as an infant, you'll see that the glans is not smooth at all, it has ridges and wrinkles. This is due to keratinization, which is the body's way of protecting what was supposed to be an internal organ (the glans), but is now exposed to the air and constant friction against clothing. The glans on most cut guys over 40 years old have NO SENSITIVITY at all. Try stroking your finger on your heel of your foot. Then try stroking your finger on the arch of your foot. Feel the difference. The heel has undergone the same keratinization that the glans of a cut guy does.

2) The very tip of the foreskin has ridges that contain tens of thousands of nerves that provide intense sexual stimulation and sensation. Cut guys do not have these ridges.

3) There are thousands of nerves underneath the foreskin that also contribute to sexual excitement and pleasure. Cut guys do not have any of these nerves.

4) During intercourse, the gliding action of the foreskin enhances comfort and pleasure for BOTH sexual partners. Cut guys do not have the ability to experience the gliding action as there is nothing left to glide, and their partners experience a much rougher feeling from the thrusting required by a cut guy to reach orgasm.

To summarize, the foreskin provides highly specialized nerves who's entire purpose is to enhance sexual pleasure.

The foreskin keep the glans covered, smooth and moist, thus protecting the nerve ending on the glans, which in turn, provide additional sexual pleasure.

The foreskin provides a gliding action over the glans which provides additional sexual pleasure.

Cut guys have NONE of this and as they age, will find that their only sexual pleasure in the penis will come from PRESSURE as opposed to SENSATION.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but all you cut, young guys on here should really consider techniques for regrowing skin on the end of your penis that will at least keep the glans covered. You'll never be able to restore your foreskin, but at least you'll be able to have a glans that maintains sensitivity for the rest of your life.

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[Maverick]

Ugh not this again. We have a Circumsision Debate Thread (http://virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15837) in the debate forum for all of that. I don't want this thread cluttered with circumcision debate again. Gordonlee, I realize you are new so you didn't know, but note that this forum isn't the place for debating. Do so at the above link. Thanks. :)

[gordonlee]

Ooops, sorry about posting this in the wrong place - mistake of a newbie! :)

My experience is from my 43 year old boyfriend. He's been to a doctor about the loss of sensitivity thing and basically the doctor said just put up with it, that's what happens when you are cut and get old.

I'm a bit worried for what's gonna happen to me when I am that age. Well, maybe I won't be interested in sex anymore by then. :D

[Maverick]

You have a 43 year old boyfriend. How old are you?

[gordonlee]

I'm 19.

[Maverick]

I'm 19.
Can I ask what your birthdate is?

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[sage of craze]

I'm going to get my kids circumsised. It's alot easier to keep 'downstairs' clean.

[Maverick]

Sorry I didn't reply sooner; Anyways, I wasn't intending to start a debate or anything, I was just saying something, so sorry about any confusion there.
No don't worry I wasn't implying you were instigating anything. I was just trying to prevent it from possibly getting to that point. You were fine.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I'm going to get my kids circumsised. It's alot easier to keep 'downstairs' clean.

Now, I am all for having your kids circumsised, but I have to bring this up, and play devils advocate. Its not that difficult for an uncut guy to clean it, Its not that much of a hassle. So I wouldnt suggest getting cut just because of that one reason. But Thats just my two cents...:D

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[Rain Boy]

Now, I am all for having your kids circumsised, but I have to bring this up, and play devils advocate. Its not that difficult for an uncut guy to clean it, Its not that much of a hassle. So I wouldnt suggest getting cut just because of that one reason. But Thats just my two cents...:D

I'm uncut and have to agree that cleaning is not that big of a deal. It's totally second nature for me to roll the skin back and take care of it in the shower, I hardly think about it. But personally I would leave my kids' foreskins attached, probably because mine is.

[Sogeking]

Im uncut and i like it this way:yes:.

P.S.For those boys who think cut penises are bigger, its a lie!!!:eek:
Yes it is. Because the head is exposed and it is stiff.So it may look bigger.
Well thats real truth for those boys who thought it was true or who wanted to know

[TheDude]

I'm uncut and have to agree that cleaning is not that big of a deal. It's totally second nature for me to roll the skin back and take care of it in the shower, I hardly think about it. But personally I would leave my kids' foreskins attached, probably because mine is.

Not so easy if your foreskin is extremely tight
But most people's foreskins aren't tight
Mine is loosening now :)
(By the way by not so easy I mean it is possible but it could be easier)

[Rain Boy]

Not so easy if your foreskin is extremely tight
But most people's foreskins aren't tight
Mine is loosening now :)
(By the way by not so easy I mean it is possible but it could be easier)

There is probably some average age at which the skin loosens, but from what I can tell it varies depending on the guy. I knew one who could do it in first grade (age 6/7), but if you read some of the theads on here, it can happen much later. I had to do some work with mine, but it wasn't too bad.

[byee]

I believe that 50% of all 15 y/o can NOT retract. It's quite common.

[Maverick]

Interesting no matter how many times we do this thread its always usually an even split.

[mixedupfool]

ooh, you touched my tra la la

[Maverick]

ooh, you touched my tra la la
Huh?

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

ooh, you touched my tra la la

DING DONG SONG! by Gunther:P:P:P

[Serenity]

Um. Yeah.

Aaaaaaaand getting back on topic...

[Xxzero412xx]

im cut and i like it. i dont hav to worry about my foreskin hurting and cleaning it:)

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

By hurting, what are you reffering to?

[Xxzero412xx]

when u hav to pull your forskin back to clean it

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

umm, why would that hurt, and how do you know whether or not it hurts If you are circumsised?

[Xxzero412xx]

because people talk about it

[sunsings]

i am cut and i am proud of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[puberty92]

What does cut or un-cut means?

[The Resurrected One]

What does cut or un-cut means?

Circumsized or not circumsized

[Never_Forget]

I'm not sure if this should go on the cut/uncut sticky but here goes...

I feel really silly saying this but... Does it hurt to pull the foreskin back? I've tried before and I nearly got it back until I looked. The sight made me feel sick... Anyway, DOES it hurt first time? And is it easier second time? (And for the dimwits out there, yes I'm uncut)

[TheDude]

I don't know but for me it does - I actually can't pull it back, I'm trying to stretch mine. If appears fixed from the middle :/ but yeah I think if you have a tight foreskin it hurts and if you don't have a tight foreskin it doesn't hurt.

[Dolphus Raymond]

When you're in the shower, pull it back gently. Having a tight foreskin in a younger guy is natural. Over time, it will get looser, to the point where there is no pain, discomfort or resistence at all.

Here's detailed instructions:

http://forums.govteen.com/showthread.php?t=214598

Hope that helps :)

[Never_Forget]

Lol I only posted this like 25 mins ago, you guys are quick!

[Rain Boy]

Yes it can hurt the first time, and if it hasn't been cleaned at all, there is the possibility of a bunch of smegma (white flakey crap). More than likely, the head is moist and shiny, and probably a bit red. All NORMAL (but yeah, alarming the first time). As you can see here, a bunch of us survived it OK :-)

[Rain Boy]

OK, calling fellow uncuts. Here is a question of earthshattering importance, just for fun:

do you guys also pull back when you pee? An online contact of mine said that was crazy, who would ever bother. I don't mind being uncut, but I always roll it back and find it more convenient, with the hygiene thing, to whizz like a circumcised guy.:rolleyes:

[Dolphus Raymond]

Mine's short enough that I don't need to pull it back. When I touch it, it kind of comes back on its own.

[Serenity]

I'm not sure if this should go on the cut/uncut sticky but here goes...

I feel really silly saying this but... Does it hurt to pull the foreskin back? I've tried before and I nearly got it back until I looked. The sight made me feel sick... Anyway, DOES it hurt first time? And is it easier second time? (And for the dimwits out there, yes I'm uncut)

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[MoveAlong]

OK, calling fellow uncuts. Here is a question of earthshattering importance, just for fun:

do you guys also pull back when you pee? An online contact of mine said that was crazy, who would ever bother. I don't mind being uncut, but I always roll it back and find it more convenient, with the hygiene thing, to whizz like a circumcised guy.:rolleyes:

really you're supposed to, because it's much more sanitary, it prevents you from getting a buildup of bacteria, and it decreaces the risks of stuff like infections in the urinary tract

so yes I do :P

[Antares]

I'm not sure if this should go on the cut/uncut sticky but here goes...

I feel really silly saying this but... Does it hurt to pull the foreskin back? I've tried before and I nearly got it back until I looked. The sight made me feel sick... Anyway, DOES it hurt first time? And is it easier second time? (And for the dimwits out there, yes I'm uncut)

WOW MOVEALONG I HAVENT SEEN YOU IN FOREVER! HELLO :D!

anyways to answer your question. It may hurt the first attempt to pull it back but if you try to pull it back everyday eventually it will get easier and it wont hurt as much so if you pull back everyday this month it wont hurt in january

[MoveAlong]

I believe that 50% of all 15 y/o can NOT retract. It's quite common.

I know it's not that high!

here's a website with many old studies --> http://www.male-initiation.net/statistics.html
at eMedicine --> http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic423.htm
at About.com --> http://menshealth.about.com/cs/embarrassments/a/phimosis.htm

It's true that it's common, but it does not affect that many uncircumcised boys. In the first link, the rates of things like smegma and phimosis were so high (in the 8%'s) probably because the study was done in the 1960s, when they didn't know as much about those conditions/boys weren't taught about them.

The reason we see so many questions about foreskin problems is probably because the guys who experience this get worried and search for it online. It stands out as a common question because those guys search it because they don't know what's happening and the people who don't have the problem don't say anything

[sabin22]

wats it like to be uncut, ups & downs

[Rain Boy]

wats it like to be uncut, ups & downs

ups:
head is sensitive and protected
no lotion needed to j/o
did not have to endure circumcision as a baby (some controversy over this)

downs:
can smell a bit in hot weather (even when you clean)
have to fiddle with it when you pee
smegma

There are other guys here who will have a different experience, I'm just listing mine.

[sabin22]

ups:
head is sensitive and protected
no lotion needed to j/o
did not have to endure circumcision as a baby (some controversy over this)

downs:
can smell a bit in hot weather (even when you clean)
have to fiddle with it when you pee
smegma

There are other guys here who will have a different experience, I'm just listing mine.

ok thx

[Surfinder]

Its very difficult for me to roll down the foreskin...it hurts alot though i 'practise' it everyday by masturbating.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Its very difficult for me to roll down the foreskin...it hurts alot though i 'practise' it everyday by masturbating.

Does it hurt when you are flaccid, or just erect? Is it tight? Please try to describe what's happening as accurately as possible.

[chicken_fingers]

....

[Aηdy]

I don't know, just keep it clean.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I have goo under my foreskin. What is it?

If you aren't cleaning up after you ejaculate, it's probably dried semen. Otherwise it may be smegma (a mixture of oils and dead skin). Either way, if you rinse your penis out when you bathe, and don't leave dried semen on it (eww), you probably won't have this problem.

[chicken_fingers]

....

[Dolphus Raymond]

but the goo just keeps accumulating...

Do you clean your penis with a washcloth when you shower daily? And you rinse your penis after you ejaculate?

[chicken_fingers]

....

[Dolphus Raymond]

Then you have pretty fast-shedding, oily skin cells, I guess. Is the accumulation significant? It's basically dead skin...you shouldn't get all that much in 24 hours, even during puberty.

I suppose you could try swiping more roughly with the washcloth, so it knocks off the dead skin that could flake off and accumulate.

[pacnorthwestguy]

Then you have pretty fast-shedding, oily skin cells, I guess. Is the accumulation significant? It's basically dead skin...you shouldn't get all that much in 24 hours, even during puberty.

I suppose you could try swiping more roughly with the washcloth, so it knocks off the dead skin that could flake off and accumulate.

That would be my suggestion as well, use a washcloth a bit harder and then make sure that you've rinsed the head off of everything after you've finished cleaning it.

[theOperaGhost]

im circumcized and happy. i think it looks better

[Malcolm Tucker]

im circumcized and happy. i think it looks better

Yeah it's supposed to be easier for cleaning etc. although I wouldn't know.

[Sugaree]

well it is easier to clean because you really don't need to pull back the foreskin.

[Setzer]

I'm an uncut and I think is better especially gives more pleasure in masturbation

[Patchy]

I'm an uncut and I think is better especially gives more pleasure in masturbation

I'm uncut aswell I think that too :)

[deann69]

im uncut 2

[quagmire333]

me too

[SamWam]

Hi

Im 14 and I'm uncut and I only recently discovered that my foreskin is supposed to go back. I went to a doctor about it and he's put me down to be circumsised and I'm concerned, if not worried about it. Who's had it done? What's it like? Does it hurt etc. etc.

Also, on the tiny bit of my [part of penis under foreskin] that I can get to, it really hurts when you touch it and its really red. Is that ok?

Thanks

[Sugaree]

I'm not sure if this should go on the cut/uncut sticky but here goes...

I feel really silly saying this but... Does it hurt to pull the foreskin back? I've tried before and I nearly got it back until I looked. The sight made me feel sick... Anyway, DOES it hurt first time? And is it easier second time? (And for the dimwits out there, yes I'm uncut)

Well for an uncut person yes it would since the foreskin is still attached but for a cut person it's not unless they pull it really far back.

[byee]

Hi

Im 14 and I'm uncut and I only recently discovered that my foreskin is supposed to go back. I went to a doctor about it and he's put me down to be circumsised and I'm concerned, if not worried about it. Who's had it done? What's it like? Does it hurt etc. etc.

Also, on the tiny bit of my [part of penis under foreskin] that I can get to, it really hurts when you touch it and its really red. Is that ok?

Thanks

hey, another Sam!

I was cut at 14, how can i help?

It isn't as bad as *some* will make it seem. You'll be really sore for a while, but not terrible, you'll have meds to help. more?

The part under your 'skin that's sensitive is that way because it's been covered and never exposed, so for you it's sorta like an internal organ, which, because THAT'S never been touched, will pain if done so! It's red for the same reason, and if you're looking at the frenulum (part that attaches the foreskin to the underside by the top), it looks red when stretched because of the underlying blood vessels.

If your doc has determined that circumcision is the treatment of choice, you probably should pull or otherwise mess with it.

Let me know if you need more info. I'm the only one here who has gone thru this.

[monkshood]

I was cut at 15, you can ask anything you like to me or IAMSAM it really isn't that bad the only trouble I had was the erections while I was asleep and had the stiches on (nothing that some ice can do) other than that no complains... the operation, well I didn't fell anything and when I least expected it the doctor said we were done and that I could go home and rest for the weekend and no sports for a week or so.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Sam,

Hi

Im 14 and I'm uncut and I only recently discovered that my foreskin is supposed to go back. I went to a doctor about it and he's put me down to be circumsised and I'm concerned, if not worried about it. Who's had it done? What's it like? Does it hurt etc. etc.

You've already gotten some good answers about circumcision as a treatment. I've heard varying answers about recovery time. Best case scenario was a few weeks with only mild discomfort. It is a surgery, though, and the average seems to be an average of short of a month of no sexual activity (including masturbation). Some guys get luckier, while some get unluckier.

If it were me, I'd look into more conservative treatments first. Not every doctor is fully aware of them, and they are at least worth discussing first. There's no reason not to - you might be able to clear up the problem without surgery, and for a lot less money and discomfort.

http://www.cirp.org/library/treatment/phimosis/

The steroid cream mentioned clears up the vast majority of cases. Unless you've been diagnosed with a specific condition called BXO (and oftentimes even then), circumcision should not be the first treatment attempted unless you want it to be for a non-medical reason. There is even a more conservative surgery (called preputioplasty), which is somewhat safer and has a faster recovery time, that you should research.

In any case, discuss these with your doctor, and maybe get a second opinion, before you finalize anything. That is, if you'd prefer something a bit less radical than a full circumcision.

Also, on the tiny bit of my [part of penis under foreskin] that I can get to, it really hurts when you touch it and its really red. Is that ok?

It's fine. The area underneath has never been exposed and it's very sensitive. Once you're able to retract your foreskin, you'd be able to desensitize it by running water over it when you bathe.

Hope this helps.

[byee]

Sam,



You've already gotten some good answers about circumcision as a treatment. I've heard varying answers about recovery time. Best case scenario was a few weeks with only mild discomfort. It is a surgery, though, and the average seems to be an average of short of a month of no sexual activity (including masturbation). Some guys get luckier, while some get unluckier.

If it were me, I'd look into more conservative treatments first. Not every doctor is fully aware of them, and they are at least worth discussing first. There's no reason not to - you might be able to clear up the problem without surgery, and for a lot less money and discomfort.

http://www.cirp.org/library/treatment/phimosis/

The steroid cream mentioned clears up the vast majority of cases. Unless you've been diagnosed with a specific condition called BXO (and oftentimes even then), circumcision should not be the first treatment attempted unless you want it to be for a non-medical reason. There is even a more conservative surgery (called preputioplasty), which is somewhat safer and has a faster recovery time, that you should research.

In any case, discuss these with your doctor, and maybe get a second opinion, before you finalize anything. That is, if you'd prefer something a bit less radical than a full circumcision.



It's fine. The area underneath has never been exposed and it's very sensitive. Once you're able to retract your foreskin, you'd be able to desensitize it by running water over it when you bathe.

Hope this helps.

Still trying to save every foreskin on the planet is a very personal agenda and misses the point of the OP's question. He didn't ask for opinions or options from strangers. Let's assume that an MD who examined him is the most qualified to determine the most appropriate treatment.

If your doc has made the determination that circumcision is the correct treatment, then you should NOT mess with your foreskin at this point or otherwise try to 'fix' it.

Getting cut for those with relatively healthy egos isn't such a big deal, the pain is tolerable, as is the inconvienence. And, you probably won't miss your foreskin at all.

If you have any questions about the procedure or the result, ask your doctor.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Actually, not all doctors are aware of conservative treatments or how effective they are. That's just the reality. Doctors can't read every academic study on every subject. A lot of GPs were taught that circumcision is the only treatment, and still wrongly practice that. The fact is, save for a very specific conditions, it no longer is the preferred treatment unless the patient requests it specifically.

My intent is to save someone potential discomfort, trouble, risk and money. If he wants to have a circumcision instead of trying a less radical treatment, as I said, he should do that. It's not what I'd do, but it's an option. And I didn't advise him to do it himself. I specifically told him to "discuss these with your doctor."

If you want to further debate this, drop me a PM. Apparently you can't respect the moderators and OP enough to complain about things privately (as you've been asked by the moderators) unless you're prompted to. I think this counts as a prompt.

[byee]

Let me take this opportunity, publicly, to remind you Alcon that you are not a moderator here and actually have no authority to warn me about anything.

My comments in response to your misinformation is NOT argumentative, I am not going to debate you or any one on the topic. However, I will also not stand by and have you (or anyone else) provide information that they are not requesting (or worse, misinformation) so that you can pursue that agenda of yours. I see my role here as (trying) to always provide accurate info, not to enter into debate, either on this topic/thread or any other. That's what makes you a zealot, Alcon, your responses here always represent your own needs (to save every foreskin), rather than the needs of the OP. The fact that you do it politely is very clever, but does not alter the fact that you are providing an opinion not requested, and info that is often erroneous.

To redirect this, again, let me state to the OP that the procedure is not a big deal, that you will not in all probability miss your foreskin, and if you have any questions, ask the doctor. The idea that doctors would not be knowledgeable on the latest medical treatments is absurd and patently wrong. And offensive to those who actually know MD's up close and personal.

We are now done with this.

[redcar]

Let me take this opportunity, publicly, to remind you Alcon that you are not a moderator here and actually have no authority to warn me about anything.

I do though.

Sam this isnt the place to debate this topic, instead it is the place to help members. Please take this to PM if you wish to debate it but do not engage in one here, also please refrain from getting personal. Saying something like...

That's what makes you a zealot, Alcon, your responses here always represent your own needs (to save every foreskin), rather than the needs of the OP.

... does not help anyone.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Thanks, Alex.

I want to reiterate to the OP: this is your choice. I'm not going to actively discourage you from doing what you feel is best. It's your body, and don't let other people's opinions influence your feelings about your body. Because it is yours and only yours.

I didn't bring this all up to scare you. I brought it up because certain procedures are overprescribed. Sometimes it varies by country. You should not feel uncomfortable bringing up alternative treatments. Even if the doctor says they are not possible, you'll feel more secure in the end. It's best to trust your doctor, but it's also best to be an active patient. Your doctor won't be offended. In fact, my doctor encourages me to do all of this. It's also made me feel a lot better when dealing with illness.

Best of luck. If you have any questions or concerns, please do ask. I'm sorry, on my part, if I contributed to any worry or hostility here.

[ebonyclip]

when i roll back and clean my dick
i roll it back and when i touch it it hurts like as if my willy is scratched on a rock.
does this happen to anybody else? who is uncut that is

[Dolphus Raymond]

when i roll back and clean my dick
i roll it back and when i touch it it hurts like as if my willy is scratched on a rock.
does this happen to anybody else? who is uncut that is

Being that the glans isn't regularly exposed, it's very sensitive. You can customize this sensitivity by running water over it when you're in the shower. It will still be sensitive, but in a good way, not an unpleasant one.

For more information, see "My head is really sensitive to touch or wash" here :)

http://forums.govteen.com/showthread.php?t=214598

[looloo]

im uncut and after masturbation do all of you uncut people roll it back and unroll it and find a residue like thing left behind in your glans?

[biggins21t]

God idk why but i think i would love to be uncut. I am cut and its ok i jst here that uncut feels a ton better. are there still any health reason for being cut? i dont want to kids to get the knife,,, i dont think.

[Dolphus Raymond]

im uncut and after masturbation do all of you uncut people roll it back and unroll it and find a residue like thing left behind in your glans?

If you don't wash semen from your skin (whether under your foreskin or elsewhere) a residue will remain.

God idk why but i think i would love to be uncut. I am cut and its ok i jst here that uncut feels a ton better. are there still any health reason for being cut? i dont want to kids to get the knife,,, i dont think.

That's very debatable. I personally don't think either the benefits or downsides are that much greater than each other, so I think it should be an individual choice (which is why I agree with you about being against infant circumcision).

If it were me...try to be happy with what you have. It works, and you enjoy it, right? Feelings about its morality aside, it's still a penis and still is plenty of fun.

[byee]

God idk why but i think i would love to be uncut. I am cut and its ok i jst here that uncut feels a ton better. are there still any health reason for being cut? i dont want to kids to get the knife,,, i dont think.


I don't know why you'd conclude that what you don't have must be better, either. But, having experienced both, I can tell you from first hand experience there's really not much of a difference.

In terms of health benefits, I'd encourage you to search the 'net and see what comes up, there's some new research out there. Obviously, my parents felt that those benefits didn't warrant the procedure, but that was a while ago. Having been one of those unfortunate enought to experience a problem, I can only say that there's some truth to the saying 'an ounce of prevention'. However, it's easy for me to say that, and dismiss others curiosity, having experienced both. Still, I wouldn't fret too much about it.

One of the few times I actually agree with Dolphus on this subject is with the need to accept whatever you have and enjoy it. I'd also add you're (hopefully) a long way off from having a son, so you'll have enough experience with that penis of yours to make a more informed choice about what to do with Junior. And, don't forget that little Junior's MOTHER might have a thing or two to say about this, as well.

[MoveAlong]

I'd like to make a comment in general, there's no need to reply, in fact dont. it's a comment.

I've heard from a few circumcised guys and they're all like "eww that would be nasty that you could move it back and fourth" or "it just seems gross", and even the girls say it. But really, I mean it's just skin that's retractable. It's a little piece of skin that's completely natural and you're saying eww? that's like saying "omg, how nasty, your earlobes dangle!"

[Sugaree]

Zach is right. I mean it's skin that you can pull back and clean up. There's no big deal in it.

[byee]

You know Zach, you're absolutely right. And, not to get into a debate (or encourage one), this "I'm better than you" stuff some guys talk about with regard to their penis is really BS and not at all true!

For some, it's about their own insecurity with themselves, they need to attack the 'other' in order to feel better about themselves.

But, as a guy who has experienced both, and one who considers himself really reeasonable and objective about most things, I can tell you without hesitation that the whole 'debate' on BOTH sides is really nonsensical, there's not much that's different. Maybe that's why I get so overheated when this subject comes up.

Enjoy what you have, it's basically the same thing.

[Dolphus Raymond]

For some, it's about their own insecurity with themselves, they need to attack the 'other' in order to feel better about themselves.

No kidding.

There are two reasons people would take interest in your penis:

1. They want to sleep with you.
2. They have serious insecurities.

If someone is going on about how "sorry they feel" for you with something that you're happy with...chances are it's #2.

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[Feel free to ignore the crap past here; it doesn't really matter]

Aside: I personally don't think you should base a decision about a kid on your experiences. It's not like enjoying/hating being cut is genetic. But there was a topic in VT's version of the Debates Forum about that kind of stuff...so we should probably not continue it here, especially since the OP didn't ask for advice on that. Plus, I'd have to get into geeky medical study stuff when it comes to the "ounce of prevention" matter. And you're 16, so God hopes it isn't relevant any time soon.

(No glove, no love! Or whatever my sixth-grade health teacher said. :P)

[manonymus]

Hello guys!

Well... this is all my opinion. Being cut is kind of a cultural tradition (or religious as well). They normally said it's cleaner (well, at least your glans will always be clean). Having foreskin is not a problem... they say you can get an infection, but that only happens if you don't clean your glans regularly (smegma is a good for bacterial development, that's why you are supposed to remove the spare smegma when "cleaning" your penis). So, it's not like you are doomed to get an infection if you are uncut. I would like to ask, how many people here have had problems with their foreskin? I bet a few, if any.

Well... being cut as a kid is no problem (except the pain, which you don't remember). The same Jesus was circumcised 7 days after he was born. :lol:
But when you masturbate, how can you say you feel better uncut or cut? If you are cut you don't even know what an uncut orgasm feels like... so you cannot say it feels better. Even if they tell you that, how can you describe pleasure or even compare the pleasure felt? If you are based on people saying being uncut feels better then you should just not say it... it's their opinion, not yours. Think about a cut person right now. . . what do you think their orgasm is like? How can you imagine a lower-level orgasm?. . . you cannot even imagine nor describe it. As for cut guys: How could you imagine an uncut's boy orgasm? Think about an orgasm being better. . . can you even understand how would it be "better"? In what sense would it be better? The only sensation they have is that their glans is being covered by skin while they have the orgasm and then it can stimulate that area during that time. Then... how can you say it's better?

Whenever you say (normally cut guys) you would like to be different try to focus on how would the experience be different. . . in what sense would an orgasm be better. Having one is the best sensation in the world, being cut or not. Why do you ask for more glory?

And after all, it's all about masturbation. And when you are an adult, you normally have sex XD (yeah, I know you masturbate too). But yeah, it's my opinion.

Sooorrryyyy for the long text

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Thats a great post!

[Dolphus Raymond]

That's a good point, manonymus.

There are studies that test fine-pressure points, but whether that makes things better or just more feeling, you can't really know. And even those are disputed. I think being cut may reduce sensation some...but does that make sex worse? Who knows? It's still damn good.

It certainly doesn't affect the orgasm. No scientific reason it would. Anyone who says being uncut means a bigger orgasm is lying.

That's not to say that there wouldn't be things I'd miss if I were cut. It wouldn't be worse, but it would be different. It's a difference I wouldn't want, but that's just me. Reasonable people can have different preferences.

All of this "one feels better," "one is cleaner," "one looks better," "one protects your sensitivity more"...the effects are small, and the decider is you.

You're right - people who pretend that their preferences are "correct" are kidding themselves. :)

[manonymus]

Sure. . . I mean, if you have never experienced something you can't feel how it is like. That's why at least some people get cut at young age. . . then they wouldn't understand any "difference". Coz if you are uncut at later age you might as well feel something different if you were circumcised and it wouldn't be something you would desire. But this is something that almost never happens and the reason why people saying theirs is better is not valid, coz they have never tried the "other way". Everyone's happy with their penises. . . and everyone is so proud that if you are cut you want your kids like that and if you aren't you want them uncut.

Just accept it and understand that, after all, it's your penis and it is unique the way it is... and hell it makes you feel amazing!

[Dolphus Raymond]

Unfortunately, I do think that's what it usually comes down to - pride. In reality, I doubt many people think about the medicine or ethics behind it. I'm glad people are happy, though, even if I wish they made their decision on more rational terms.

(I just realized I post in this thread way too often. I think it's habit from being assigned to mod the GovTeen version, so I check it compulsively. :P)

[byee]

Again, as one who actually has first hand experience, there's really no difference. An orgasm is an orgasm. And everything before that is experienced similiarly.

[NickZeGreat]

I'm uncut and i thought that everyone was that way for a lil while. I've heard it does add some extra sesintivity, but it makes putting a condom on a lot more harder!

[MoveAlong]

I'm uncut and i thought that everyone was that way for a lil while. I've heard it does add some extra sesintivity, but it makes putting a condom on a lot more harder!

When you put on a condom, you should roll the foreskin back. The foreskin shouldn't be over the head of the penis when you put a condom on. The foreskin should also be rolled back during sex
It's easy when you do that. Hope that makes it easier for you :P

[Dolphus Raymond]

I'm uncut and i thought that everyone was that way for a lil while. I've heard it does add some extra sesintivity, but it makes putting a condom on a lot more harder!

If you have an average or short foreskin, roll back the condom before putting it on...this should make things much easier. You can put it forward when you're done, if you prefer. Retracting (pulling it back) just matters in getting it on securely. You can put it back so it moves during sex. It's not hard at all when you get used to it. Condoms are a practice, practice, practice sort of thing.

[iamgod]

im un cut and it doessnt hurt me when i pull back the foreskin, it does actually feel really good when i masturbate as i enjoy the slipping over the head

[wrestlingdude]

idk but my penis is un-cut and im glad so i don't have to be cut

[Gavin]

I'm uncut and im find about it,i wouldnt change to be cut neither.

[Mycall.]

Yeah I am uncut too.
I think uncut is better, but I wouldn't know.
I haven't been cut before have I. Lol.

Being uncut doesn't make putting on a condom harder...
Rolling the foreskin back takes a second, lol.

[NickZeGreat]

I was thinking about asking my dad why they chose not to circumsize me, but i don't know how to ask him. Any advice?:whoops:

[Rain Boy]

I was thinking about asking my dad why they chose not to circumsize me, but i don't know how to ask him. Any advice?:whoops:

My dad explained it all during that wonderful 'talk'. (I'm not circumcised, he is). I have no idea how he would have reacted if I had asked, but at least he was open about it. Maybe your dad will just explain it.:cool:

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I was thinking about asking my dad why they chose not to circumsize me, but i don't know how to ask him. Any advice?:whoops:

I would just ask him, that doesnt seem like a very sensitive topic:yes:

[byee]

I was thinking about asking my dad why they chose not to circumsize me, but i don't know how to ask him. Any advice?:whoops:

I'm not sure why you'd be embarassed about this, they know you're not circumcised, and they must also know you know too! I'd assume that your dad would talk quite openly about this, it sounds like they gave the matter some thought at the time.

It's not a 'penis' question, which might be embarassing, it's a 'decision' question, how they made the choice, which is altogether different.

"Dad?, how did you and mom decide to not circumcise me?" will work fine. I bet he's expecting you to ask the question at some point.

[Antares]

Well referring to Nicks question maybe you should make it fun...like ask him like randomly in private so he doesnt feel any pressure. Also, the poll is tied 187-187. VERY interesting.

[optimashprime]

there is more people who have the foreskin then who dont

why

by the way i have my foreskin still

[Rain Boy]

I don't know if other uncut guys here have this issue, but lately I have been getting a slightly fishy smell from my penis after about 10 hours. I am a clean person: I pull back in the morning shower and retract when I go to the bathroom, all of which are supposed to help. It's just that lately, I have been getting this smell, which I got when younger only if I didn't take care of my foreskin. Has anyone else had this happen? Is it a puberty thing?

[Malcolm Tucker]

Yep, it's puberty. Just make sure you thoroughly clean your penis, and foreskin.

[Mikel14]

i'm the only one of my friends who are cut i know this through a truth or dare game a few years back but ya we were talking about circumcision in pdr the other day and my teacher said you can get "headcheese" when ur not circumcised from not washing it and that can cause yeast infection

[Serenity]

you can get "headcheese" when ur not circumcised from not washing it

Yeah, it's called smegma. My health teacher told us once in class randomly.

[Sugaree]

Well also when you are uncut dead skin cells will form under the foreskin and eventually come out. They are called "pearls" since they are white and in a round shape.

If you are uncut then make sure you clean really well because it can get dirty down there

[JMO156]

I'm uncut but im ok with that :)