Who Here Is Religious?

[Frosty]

Well who here is religious? and if you are what are you?

honestly i think religion, is what is wrong with this earth......

So why am i doing this then?
i'm just curious to know alittle bit more about the type of people that make up this forum

[Octo22]

honestly i think religion, is what is wrong with this earth......


I completely agree that a belief system that challenges us to be better people and not wrong others is completely horrifi...oh wait.

[Sage]

Odd how you bash religion and yet you'd like to know who is religious around here. Are you looking to start a fight?

Also, to be honest, I think things would be far more chaotic if we never had religion.

[4IrishJustice]

More Chaotic??? YOu do know that more people have died in religious wars than any other kind right?? Not to mention how oppinionated most religious people are.

[Maverick]

There are bad types of people in everything. You can't just say they are all bad. That's being ignorant. You're just using your dislike for religion as a base for attacking it blindly with no consideration for both sides. There are a lot of peaceful religions out there and some have caused people to change their life for the better. How is that bad? It isn't. Like I said you're just using your dislike for religion for basing your argument to say that's what's wrong with the world when personal bias is not considered fact.

Why don't you actually research and interview people from all religions (since you said ALL was wrong) and see how they are a threat.

I am an atheist myself but I'm smart enough to know that religion isn't some just some monster breeding cult.

[Frosty]

Odd how you bash religion and yet you'd like to know who is religious around here. Are you looking to start a fight?

Also, to be honest, I think things would be far more chaotic if we never had religion.

no, i'm not trying to start a fight or convert anyone, i was simply just posing a question....think i also got put in my place by the post above me

[Trickster]

Religion is a blissful thing but it really depends on how you look at it. The religion wars are very based on arrogance and ignorane said it thinks one religion is better then the next so it really a different kind on discrimantion and racism for religion. People look for guidence and a non scince way of looking at things for they see things science and math cant do. How the earth is creating, Why do we give birth and why are there different races? Religion can answer this but so can science. Bad people and things are caused by bad people and things. Religion of any kind does not say The Allmighty being or beings can control a person or their action only try to presuade them or stop them by killing them or giving them a disease. This world is twisted because of people who are bad. Dont and NEVER balm religion or GOD or whoever you belive in. If someone tried to assult or insult your mother would you hurt them or do something? Its like Religion you belive the person who allows you live and you protect them and dont allow those to insult them. Dont blame religion for people's igonorane, arrogance, and terrible crime of any sort blame that person. Religion guides and you decide which guide you want to folloe if its from GOD to no one.

[Octo22]

I am an atheist

Burn the heretic ;)

[4IrishJustice]

Burn the heretic ;)
wow. thats harsh. :mad::mad: and you think that Atheists are the crazy one's. You fanatical.....christian i'm guessing...probably catholic???

[Maverick]

wow. thats harsh. :mad::mad: and you think that Atheists are the crazy one's. You fanatical.....christian i'm guessing...probably catholic???
Chill... no need to insult anybody. :)

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I am agnostic, i understand religion, but i believe that the religions of the Children of Abraham (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) should be either banned, or have there power taken away from them.

[Serenity]

I am agnostic, i understand religion, but i believe that the religions of the Children of Abraham (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) should be either banned, or have there power taken away from them.

Why?

[Maverick]

I am agnostic, i understand religion, but i believe that the religions of the Children of Abraham (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) should be either banned, or have there power taken away from them.
And why are you so intolerant? You realize that you'd take out a lot of people (majority good ones) out of power? There's freedom of religion in America - that was established when this country was founded. If you don't like it, leave. Face it, not everyone has the same beliefs as you. Get over it.

[Frosty]

Religion is a blissful thing but it really depends on how you look at it. The religion wars are very based on arrogance and ignorane said it thinks one religion is better then the next so it really a different kind on discrimantion and racism for religion.

yes but without religion, we wouldn't have had the wars in question......

[Sage]

yes but without religion, we wouldn't have had the wars in question......

Yea like we don't have other reasons to kill people. :rolleyes:

[Maverick]

yes but without religion, we wouldn't have had the wars in question......
So with your logic, if religion didn't exist there would be peace and no wars?

[Octo22]

wow. thats harsh. :mad::mad: and you think that Atheists are the crazy one's. You fanatical.....christian i'm guessing...probably catholic???

WOW you CLEARLY can't tell what a joke is. Especialllllly WITH the use of a winking smily.

Also, even though this shouldn't MATTER in society (you seem to be the one making religion important, not the actually religious people) I was born and raised Roman Catholic but have chosen to be Agnostic because I do not feel any person can ever completely prove or disprove the existence of a God.

Chill... no need to insult anybody. :)

I'm hoping you could tell it was a joke. I'd apologize but I'm sure you did.

yes but without religion, we wouldn't have had the wars in question......

WWI, Franz Ferdinand was shot by a terrorist group known as the Black Hand.
No religion involved.

WWII, Hitler disobeys other nations orders and invades Poland.
No religion involved.

Cold War, Russia and The U.S. both try to outarm each other.
No religion involved, only government.

I'm noticing a theme..I could go on, but I don't want to list them all.

The only wars that could be blamed on religion date back to Babylonians invading Jews or Crusades. These dated to quite a bit back..

[Maverick]

I'm hoping you could tell it was a joke. I'd apologize but I'm sure you did.
Yeah I did. No worries. :P

[Octo22]

=D

I was atheist for a little, I just realized I prefer being neutral on the subject because I don't feel strongly that God doesn't exist and many teens my age are all "omg there is no god!11111" which bothers me to associate with them.

How're you Atheist? I'm just curious to hear from one who seems to display actual intelligence :P

[Maverick]

Well I'm more complex than the "there's no god, let's burn Bibles!" type people. :P

I live life like an atheist so to speak. I don't acknowledge a God or supreme being. I don't pray, don't go to church (unless I have to, but is rare), or even wonder if there's an old man in the sky watching us. I don't care what the Bible says - not in complete ignorance sort of way but I don't look at it as a teaching but as a historical piece of literature.

I guess the appropriate label for me would be something like 'Atheist/Agnostic/I-don't-really-care-I'm-just-gonna-live-life" type person.

Religion pays a small role in my life and things have become so much easier and clearer for me when I cut out religion altogether. With Christianity I had so many doubts and unanswered questions that didn't satisfy me. I did go to church a lot last year and a half and even took a mini course at the church that was preliminary to understanding the basics of the teachings of Christianity. I had my doubts on the validity of what they were telling me and the doubts made me uncomfortable to where I didn't want to be religious anymore. Things didn't add up and I was told it's all about faith an not logic and that didn't work for me. Don't take offense but I felt silly and foolish believing in Christianity. I felt like I was believing in Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny.

So maybe atheist isn't the correct term to describe me. I don't know, I never have been a fan of labels. I've alternated between being atheist and agnostic but I try not to fuss with labels. I just chose to live life off my own morals and do what I think is right.

Not fussing with religion has made the most sense for me and has cut out the confusion and doubts because I believe there are things we won't find out and I believe that we will never 100% know for sure what was the starting point of life is. Like what created what created us? And then what created that? Confusing I know but it's something I think about and it's brought me to the conclusion that we won't know so why belong to something that isn't solid in what it says?

Although I do not for one second believe that I'm right and everyone else is wrong. I think people can believe what they like and do what makes sense to them because everyone is different and can't think the same way or want the same things out of life.

I just think it's silly to go out of your way to say God doesn't exist or to go out of your way to say God does exist and try to change someone (unless they're willing) when you don't have proof.

I figure why waste all that time when you can enjoy life and let whatever happen, happen.

[Octo22]

Very well said. You're kind of where I am. I just go by agnostic because I go to Catholic school and with such constant religious views around me, I do want to be able to share my views.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

And why are you so intolerant? You realize that you'd take out a lot of people (majority good ones) out of power? There's freedom of religion in America - that was established when this country was founded. If you don't like it, leave. Face it, not everyone has the same beliefs as you. Get over it.

I am not intolerant. those three religions are the ones which impose themselves the most on society. And that is just my opinion, so call the f*** down. BTW, Most of the "religious" people in serious places of power use religion to justify terrible acts, which is what i am basing my argument on. Please calm down.

[Octo22]

I am not intolerant. those three religions are the ones which impose themselves the most on society. And that is just my opinion, so call the f*** down. BTW, Most of the "religious" people in serious places of power use religion to justify terrible acts, which is what i am basing my argument on. Please calm down.

He's not upset, you swore first.

People in seats of power will either use religions to back their reasons, or find another agenda, while not sharing their personal beliefs.

Religion is NOT the reason they do it in the first place. It's just what the public would rather hear.

[Maverick]

And that is just my opinion, so call the f*** down.
You will not speak to me like that.

Why don't you give examples of a civilized society where people in power use religion to justify terrible acts.

And that very well be your opinion but opinion is not fact and not valid in a debate.

If a person who happens to be religious does something and the people do not agree with it, they will vote him or her out of office. That's the beauty of a democracy.

[Trickster]

really no need to insult at all. 4IrishJustice what do you have against christian and catholic? That a sterotype and its a bad one "Belive what i say or ill hurt you" a sterotype saying that Christians and Catholics will hurt people to belive in something. "Theres is no god there is no allmighty there is only me" is a quote as well for athesits. Sterotypes are a wrong thing.

[Frosty]

So with your logic, if religion didn't exist there would be peace and no wars?

i believe you misread his quote

....The religion wars are very based on arrogance and ignorane said it thinks one religion is better then the next so it really a different kind on discrimantion and racism for religion.

I was just referring to the wars brought on by religion specifically the type that XxNejixX brought up in the quote above me.

not wars in general

[Maverick]

no but the wars he was talking about were brought on because people thought they had the right religion....
What are these wars in question so we can analyze to see what the causes were rather than just taking your word for it? Part of a good debate is presenting points with facts and examples to back them. :)

EDIT:

You kept editing your post to say something different and it's confusing me. If you want to add something to your post say "edit" then add more information (like I'm doing now) so nobody get confused.

And I didn't misread his quote. He said religion was the main cause of wars. I keep hearing about wars but I have yet to be presented with examples. War is a loose term. You'll have to list wars and prove religion was the main cause of it.

[Octo22]

What are these wars in question so we can analyze to see what the causes were rather than just taking your word for it? Part of a good debate is presenting points with facts and examples to back them. :)

EDIT:

You kept editing your post to say something different and it's confusing me. If you want to add something to your post say "edit" then add more information (like I'm doing now) so nobody get confused.

And I didn't misread his quote. He said religion was the main cause of wars. I keep hearing about wars but I have yet to be presented with examples. War is a loose term. You'll have to list wars and prove religion was the main cause of it.

The only's that come to mind.

Whenever Jews have been prosecuted (Babylonians, Nazi's, Greek, Roman) and the holy wars where Christianity killed anything that wouldn't convert.

But excluding Nazi's, these all date to back before the 1000's.

[Sage]

The only's that come to mind.

Whenever Jews have been prosecuted (Babylonians, Nazi's, Greek, Roman) and the holy wars where Christianity killed anything that wouldn't convert.

But excluding Nazi's, these all date to back before the 1000's.

Erm, are you talking about the Crusades? Religion is only a loose reason as to why they happened. You see, in both Islam and Christianity, the city of Jerusalem (and surrounding regions I believe) are both very important places. Christianity and Islam are both rather different in beliefs, and back in that time when the only way to communicate was in-person, negotiations were much more rare. Also considering that the whole world in general has become more civilized since that time, it is extremely rare that something like that would happen again.

Two sides want something, only one can have it, words aren't working, what the fuck do you want them to do? Of course they are going to slaughter eachother. Both sides were fighting for control of their 'Holy Land', so of course they're using religion as a reason to fight. But, its a territorial thing, not an intolerance thing.

Oh, and it wasn't all christians who just decided, "Oh hey, lets go kill those muslims. Their faith sucks!" (No offense to anyone).

At the time, the first crusade (to my knowledge) was started by Pope Urban II. At the time, many nations had two main leaders: A political/military leader, and a religious leader. This means that the popes had a lot more power back then than they do now. When given a lot of power, people tend to change, so of course at the opportunity to gain more power, this man would do something.

You should study more history. kthxbi.

[Octo22]

Two sides want something

You should study more history. kthxbi.

Nice try but we're arguing the same side. Besides if they hadn't been religious, they wouldn't have held the land so dear. They wouldn't have wanted it so much.

I'm just saying religion played a vital role in it, not the ONLY role, but a vital role.

[Frosty]

Muslims started crusades before Christians did....that doesn't excuse the Christians however.

[Hyper]

You should seriously study more history, the crusades didn't happen before the 1000's

And personally one thing about EVERY site like VT bothers me, people are practicly allowed to bash religion but when a religious person says something that seems to be like ''converting'' their threatened to be warned and banner or shit like that.. W/e it just seems like that to me...

Anyway..

And in case you havent noticed the ''non beliver'' society is 10x more prejudiced towars ''belivers'' than vise versa..

And I think people don't realize that everything gets taken advantage of, especially religion, incase some of you don't know USA and Russia ''fought'' over power in the Vatican and who won? Of course the magnificant USA. The Vatican is a major power which reaches out to a billion people around the globe.


Religion has been taken advantage of and still is being taken advantage of, for peoples personal interests. Just like other things get used.

[Maverick]

And personally one thing about EVERY site like VT bothers me, people are practicly allowed to bash religion but when a religious person says something that seems to be like ''converting'' their threatened to be warned and banner or shit like that.. W/e it just seems like that to me...
Religious or not, as long as you are respectful of people's beliefs there shouldn't be any problem.

[Octo22]

You should seriously study more history, the crusades didn't happen before the 1000's

I actually knew I messed that one up, it was more of a hyperbole because I couldn't be assed to look it up.

And I've never studied history, I'm going on common knowledge.

[Camazotz]

Im pretty religious. I go to church every week, and only sometimes on Holy Days of Obligation. Im Cathloic. I believe its important for people to believe in their religion. I believe everyone has a right to believe in their religion, without fear of being attacked.

[Frosty]

You should seriously study more history, the crusades didn't happen before the 1000's

And in case you havent noticed the ''non beliver'' society is 10x more prejudiced towars ''belivers'' than vise versa..




"Historical facts say that Islam, including Muhammad, launched their own Crusades against Christianity long before the European Crusades"

edit: sorry thought i had the link on here guess not. http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/the_truth_about_islamic_crusad.html



do you have proof of you're second claim? no? i didn't think so....


edit: I actually knew I messed that one up, it was more of a hyperbole because I couldn't be assed to look it up.

And I've never studied history, I'm going on common knowledge.

it's alright Octo22 he doesn't know it either.......

[Maverick]

Frosty you have a lot of nerve going around saying who doesn't know what. I haven't seen you back up one single thing you said or present any facts. You are the one who started this debate and aren't even carrying out the claim you started with. This is not a historical debate so stay on topic. We stayed a bit off-topic and the original debate was to debate that religion is what's wrong with the modern world so let's get back to that point.

It would make things easier if you started off using examples and facts in the present day world to support that religion in itself is supposedly wrong with the world today.

Octo certainly has presented more facts than you.

[Hyper]

The only thing wrong with religion is that it gets taken advantage of, and if you need proof open your damn eyes.

[Maverick]

The only thing wrong with religion is that it gets taken advantage of, and if you need proof open your damn eyes.
Nobdy said it's not taken advantage of. There's a difference between saying religion is taken advantage of and sayign that religion is the main cause of what's wrong with the world today.

[thesonicguy]

I guess I'm religious to.

[Aηdy]

I'm not the slightest bit religious. There's no "God", no heaven, hell... all of that shizz.

If there was a god then bad things wouldn't happen to nice people and it would be a prefect world.

[Serenity]

I'm not the slightest bit religious. There's no "God", no heaven, hell... all of that shizz.

If there was a god then bad things wouldn't happen to nice people and it would be a prefect world.

On the contrary. My English teacher from last year and I were just having this conversation.

If we were happy all the time, without end, nothing ever went wrong, we would in no way be able to appreciate the concept of happiness because there would be nothing else. Happiness can only be felt if you're happy, and you can't be happy if you don't know what happiness is, and you can't know what happiness is if you've never felt anything else.

So therefore, if you're always happy, you're never happy. Therefore by causing turmoil and strife, God [or supreme being...whatever you believe in] is being merciful and showing us what true happiness is and how to appreciate it.

If you can grasp that...lol it's a really awkward concept :P

[serial-thrilla]

I'm not the slightest bit religious. There's no "God", no heaven, hell... all of that shizz.

If there was a god then bad things wouldn't happen to nice people and it would be a prefect world. thats not really a good reason to disprove god.

[thesonicguy]

I'm not the slightest bit religious. There's no "God", no heaven, hell... all of that shizz.

If there was a god then bad things wouldn't happen to nice people and it would be a prefect world.

Thats not true.
Man I'm not going to get on that story.

[Whisper]

member the matrix
how they made a perfect one where everybody had whatever they wanted and they lost hundreds of crops
till they made it realistic

I dont believe in god

but I do understand yin and yang

[Frosty]

On the contrary. My English teacher from last year and I were just having this conversation.

If we were happy all the time, without end, nothing ever went wrong, we would in no way be able to appreciate the concept of happiness because there would be nothing else. Happiness can only be felt if you're happy, and you can't be happy if you don't know what happiness is, and you can't know what happiness is if you've never felt anything else.

So therefore, if you're always happy, you're never happy. Therefore by causing turmoil and strife, God [or supreme being...whatever you believe in] is being merciful and showing us what true happiness is and how to appreciate it.

If you can grasp that...lol it's a really awkward concept :P

that's actually a really really great point, i never thought of it like that..

[Aηdy]

On the contrary. My English teacher from last year and I were just having this conversation.

If we were happy all the time, without end, nothing ever went wrong, we would in no way be able to appreciate the concept of happiness because there would be nothing else. Happiness can only be felt if you're happy, and you can't be happy if you don't know what happiness is, and you can't know what happiness is if you've never felt anything else.

So therefore, if you're always happy, you're never happy. Therefore by causing turmoil and strife, God [or supreme being...whatever you believe in] is being merciful and showing us what true happiness is and how to appreciate it.

If you can grasp that...lol it's a really awkward concept :P

Hmm that is a really good point! Very intresting lol!


Thats not true.
Man I'm not going to get on that story.

It's not true or false, it's just what I think. I get pissed off by all this God shit.

[DouggyO.o]

I'm not the slightest bit religious. There's no "God", no heaven, hell... all of that shizz.

If there was a god then bad things wouldn't happen to nice people and it would be a prefect world.


I agree 100%

Atheist/Agnostic Pride haha.

but seriously i dont believe all th BS they try and feed us.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I second that!

[Octo22]

and feed us.

I've never been fed info :/


Also Happiness =/= Ultimate Happiness.

Content = Ultimate Happiness

[Hyper]

I'm not the slightest bit religious. There's no "God", no heaven, hell... all of that shizz.

If there was a god then bad things wouldn't happen to nice people and it would be a prefect world.

Sorry Andy but that's really the most retarded opinion you can take on religion.. From a atheistic point of view..

Like Val said.. If we were happy all the time we wouldn't be happy, as you can't be happy if you don't know any other emotion.

And there's a reason beliveing in a god requires faith.

[DouggyO.o]

I've never been fed info :/


Also Happiness =/= Ultimate Happiness.

Content = Ultimate Happiness
Thats what they do. you go sit in church for how ever many hours and they try to tell you how Jesus was the savior and all that BS. If he was indeed the savior there wouldn't be so much diseases, starvation, and fighting in the world.

[Serenity]

If he was indeed the savior there wouldn't be so much diseases, starvation, and fighting in the world.

If people didn't suck so much and spent they're billions of dollars in constructive ways, ie NOT A GIANT STAGE WITH TELEVISION SCREENS AS THE FLOOR FOR A PRE PRE FOOTBALL SEASON KICKOFF CONCERT, there wouldn't be disease, starvation, etc.

Jesus died to save us from our sin. He didn't die so that we could have an easy life, not work for anything, and kick back with no worries. That's not how it works.

[Octo22]

Thats what they do. you go sit in church for how ever many hours and they try to tell you how Jesus was the savior and all that BS.

Really? You've been FORCED, to go to church? It's an OPTIONAL thing to do in life, so don't act like it's being forced down your throat.

If your parents drag you, they must be the bad guy for trying to get you to comprehend a lifestyle of trying to improve yourself (which you clearly completely missed the concept of).

Jesus died to save us from our sin. He didn't die so that we could have an easy life, not work for anything, and kick back with no worries. That's not how it works.

Well said.

Also the bible is 100% metaphors, the story of Jesus is even told by some pastors as merely a "story". It just shows us how to improve, the devil isn't even said to exist in the bible, he just represents temptation to do evil.

[Frosty]

Jesus died to save us from our sin. He didn't die so that we could have an easy life, not work for anything, and kick back with no worries. That's not how it works.


i'm gonna disagree with you here.....

[Serenity]

Well obviously not everyone believes it, but that's what preachers teach- contrary to all of this 'Bible-thumpin BS' that everyone's complaining so much about :P

[RaisingSand]

I suppose I'm a bit undecided on religion myself ... :/ I don't consider myself to be any set religion, though I was raised Anglican. >.>

[Octo22]

i'm gonna disagree with you here.....

MAKE YOUR POINTS KNOWN.

Here is what your post could mean you disagree with.

1) Jesus existing
2) Jesus dying
3) Jesus wanting to forgive our sins
4) Jesus doesn't intend for life to be easy and laid back.


SEE! You can't just state "I disagree" you instantly lose your credibility in a debate.

[Underground_Network]

I don't know, I'm not very religious. My dad is basically an atheist, and my mom is Jewish. I myself like laveyan satanism's values, but first a note, I think I got this off of Urban Dictionary, but I had it saved to a word document, so the credibility is questionable, but don't yell at me for the note at the top, because I didn't type it:

Satanism is not the 'worshiping of satan' as most dumbasses tend to believe. Satanists do not believe in a higher god, and are ordinary people. They do not dress in black, and try to sacrifice living animals for 'rituals.'

These are the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth as stated by the Church of Satan's founder, Anton Szander LaVey:

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Nine Satanic Statements. Those are:

1.Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.

2.Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.

3.Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.

4.Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.

5.Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.

6.Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.

7.Satan represents man as just another animal -- sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours -- who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development," has become the most vicious animal of all.

8.Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.

9.Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Ive got to say, I like that too. Thanks for posting that Underground.

[Hyper]

If people didn't suck so much and spent they're billions of dollars in constructive ways, ie NOT A GIANT STAGE WITH TELEVISION SCREENS AS THE FLOOR FOR A PRE PRE FOOTBALL SEASON KICKOFF CONCERT, there wouldn't be disease, starvation, etc.

Jesus died to save us from our sin. He didn't die so that we could have an easy life, not work for anything, and kick back with no worries. That's not how it works.

QFT!

And most satanists tend to belive mainly in the ''Do whats best for you, and only you''

And to be honest I think that in a way itself is satanism, as it is a sin and all sins lead to satan.

[Underground_Network]

Hyper, you mock satanism, yet you yourself claim to be located in hell. :P

Eh, but seriously, I'm not a devout satanist, I just like its values, if I'm truly anything, I'm probably an atheist. The only holiday I celebrate is Hanukkah, and I celebrate that because me likes presents. I'm naturally lazy, and I don't bother with religion. I've studied LaVeyan satanism (somewhat), and I know a lot about religious history, but I for one will never pick up a bible, and I for one have never been to Temple or gone to Hebrew school. I don't care, I already know Spanish, and I've begun self-teaching myself German. I only like to do things on my own terms. Religion has never really taken my interest. I'm not very religious, but I'm not one of those anti-religious nuts who thinks that religion is stupid. I think religion is an important part of society, but there will always be prejudicial tension, and I've learned that not becoming attached to my religion has saved me from pain. I live in a community that's like 60-70% Jewish, but people in my town draw swastikas all over and they scream out hail hitler right into my ear, but it doesn't bother me personally. I feel bad, especially since my mom is true to her religion, but it doesn't hurt me as bad as it would if I had fallen in love with my religion. Christians didn't face mass genocide, Christians don't have a symbol like the Swastika, that is so full of hate and disgrace. I don't really know, all I know is that no religion means one less thing to worry about, and my life is already fucked up enough, I'm not going to commit to a religion and screw it up more. Scream 'fuck you' at me, I don't care. I don't care about religion. Religion means nothing to me. I'm sorry, but its true.

[Octo22]

''Do whats best for you, and only you''

Which in turn equals millions of people using religion as an excuse to be rude.

Oh wait, that's exactly like every other religion ;D

[Hyper]

Which in turn equals millions of people using religion as an excuse to be rude.

Oh wait, that's exactly like every other religion ;D

I've read some of their theories, and some go tot he extreme, they'd basically go bi to get sexual pleasure, cheat on people for pleasure. Trample other people to the ground for benefits and so on..

In other words the worst kind of self caring, emotionless human beings

[Archduke Robert of France]

I am an atheist.

honestly i think religion, is what is wrong with this earth......

There is some truth to that. The most likely cause of World War III would be something religious. Still, not all religions are bad. When was the last time you heard of a Buddhist Suicide Bomber?

[Octo22]

No religion is bad. The followers of some are just extremists. All religions/communities/ANYTHING have them.

Muslim is actually kinder than Christianity. They HAVE to give money to the poor, or they're not Muslim.

[Underground_Network]

Think of it this way:

If religion didn't exist, it would be one less thing to fight over. I am a firm believer in Armageddon, although I'm not religious, I believe WWIII will be due to religious conflict. A massive nuclear war due to fucked up beliefs. Now if people didn't believe in Armageddon and if people wouldn't get so attached to their religions, the world would be a better place.

[Maverick]

If religion didn't exist, it would be one less thing to fight over.
What about improving people's morality, giving people hope, and providing charity?

I am a firm believer in Armageddon, although I'm not religious, I believe WWIII will be due to religious conflict. A massive nuclear war due to fucked up beliefs. Now if people didn't believe in Armageddon and if people wouldn't get so attached to their religions, the world would be a better place.
I disagree. There are so many positives to religion. You just are looking at the surface of one side. You aren't putting much thought into those claims. All just wild ideas with no factual reasoning behind them.

[Octo22]

I am a firm believer in Armageddon

if people didn't believe in Armageddon....the world would be a better place.


Wow. You just told yourself to go die.

[Underground_Network]

LMFAO, I believe that if people didn't believe in Armageddon, it would not occur, if people didn't believe in it, I myself would not believe it would occur. I could've worded that better. I do believe religion has its positives, but still I myself think with the good things religion brings, it has its negatives as well. And I myself wouldn't mind dying, I want the world to go down in flames. I hate the world, and the world hates me. So fuck it, if I die in Armageddon, I'll be happy for once in my life. I'm sorry, but I'm just in a pissed off mood right now....

[Maverick]

I do believe religion has its positives, but still I myself think with the good things religion brings, it has its negatives as well.
Yes there are some negatives but not to the extent you were making in your other post.

And I myself wouldn't mind dying, I want the world to go down in flames. I hate the world, and the world hates me. So fuck it, if I die in Armageddon, I'll be happy for once in my life. I'm sorry, but I'm just in a pissed off mood right now....
Life has its ups and downs. Stick it out during the bad and as you get older it really does improve. I along with many others know from experience.

[xTheLordsServantx]

The term "religious" is thrown around way too much in our society. Being religious doesn't necessarily mean that you believe in God or anything...it simply means that you follow a system of rules and regulations because you need to find a source of security in your life. Am I religious? Sort of - in the sense that I go to Church a lot, I'd say YES, but in the sense that I blindly follow rules that I think limit the faithful from doing God's true mission for us, I'd say NO! My main point is that it is very very easy to be religious, but in my religion, its faith that matters, and having faith is very difficult.

In my opinion, the real question you should have asked is "Who in here is faithful in their religion?" That says a lot more about a person rather than exposing his or her insecurities.

Also, another small bit. I've seen that some people have said that religion has its negatives and positives. I'd like to point out that that is possibly one of the most untrue and falsified statements that I have heard. Its not religion that is flawed. Lets look at the most persecuted religion, Christianity. Christianity is all about faith in God, love, forgiving others, truth, trust, honor, and basically ALL the other virtues that make up our worldy society. While its not the religions that have the moral gaps, its rather the followers of religion who give it such a despised name. Sometimes people believe they are so Holy and such a perfect example of how a person "should" live their lives under a religion, when in reality these people are living their lives contrary to the true beliefs of the religion. Instead of admiting to their faults, they instead continue with their actions which they believe are "in the name of God."

This therefore allows people who are themselves insecure about ultimate Truth the ability to undermine religion itself and therefore feel as if they are exempt from the undoubtedly true moral obligations presented in so many religions. Over time this negative reflection of religion established by so many self-proclaimed "saints" developes into a sort of contradictory view of religion developing in the minds of onlookers. So now, we get socially acceptable ideas that religion has "caused more deaths than anything else" and that "religion has its positives and negatives."

I hope you all understood some of that. If you didn't feel free to PM me.

God Bless you all!

[Frosty]

The term "religious" is thrown around way too much in our society. Being religious doesn't necessarily mean that you believe in God or anything..

re·li·gious [ri-lij-uhs] noun, plural -gious.

–adjective
1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity.
2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.
3. Extremely scrupulous or conscientious: religious devotion to duty.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religious

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

wow Frosty... lol

[xTheLordsServantx]

re·li·gious [ri-lij-uhs] noun, plural -gious.

–adjective
1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity.
2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.
3. Extremely scrupulous or conscientious: religious devotion to duty.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religious

haha im glad to see you have familiarized yourself with dictionary.com, it can be quite a useful site. But, lets not skip definitions from dictionary.com, rather lets use the FIRST DEFINITION SHOWN, which happens to be "of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday." So, next time you are trying to prove me wrong with word definitions, please do it in a manner that shows the WHOLE definition, or at least the first one, which happens to be the most commonly used definition, and not just the snippits that you choose...thanks!

[Underground_Network]

Here I'll sum up my opinion:

RELIGION IS FOR RELIGIOUS PEOPLE! :)

[Octo22]

Here I'll sum up my opinion:

RELIGION IS FOR RELIGIOUS PEOPLE! :)

I'm sorry sir, your ideas just seem too radical for this site. :confused:

[Underground_Network]

Hey, I didn't say I was one of the religious people, 'cuz I'm not. :P

Ok, somewhat back on topic, wait... where has this conversation gone... Anyway, religion isn't pointless, I get it, its a place to escape it all, but religion has its ups and downs, and I'm not saying other people shouldn't pray or anything, its just something I prefer not to follow. I don't have time for religion in my life, seriously, all I do is work. My dad would kill me if I ever got less than an A- on something, and during religious holidays my mom will go to her mom's (my grandma's), and I'll stay at home doing work that isn't even necessary for school. I've been raised by my dad to not follow religion, but been told by my mom that religion is important. I've chosen to follow my dad, because he always seems to be right, and I just have come to dislike religion. I enjoy presents, but I actually prefer earning things. I like my summer job, and although it doesn't pay very high, I actually savor the money I get, and unlike money I got on holidays, I don't spend it right away on something I don't need anyway.
I don't know, all I know is that I'm not religious, and I think some people (not everyone) would be better off if they didn't have religion. I mean we can't blame all Muslims for our problems, there are only a select few Muslims that gone the extreme, most Muslims are actually kind people, so its tough to say. We've developed all these prejudices, these stereotypes. Jews are obsessed with money and presents; atheists are emotionless people who can't feel anything; Muslims are die-hard extremists, if you ever see one, run away; Christians are #1!... You see, religion is just another thing to fight over in my point of view... Now there are peaceful people, but the news misrepresents everything, they talk about the guys who draw swastikas on the synagogue, instead of the people from the Church doing community service; they talk about how we're being attacked by Muslims, but they don't bring up the fact that only a small percentage of Muslims are extremists. We're being misguided by the media, and I don't know what to believe anymore. I think I myself am just better off without religion. Sorry for the rant...:/

[Frosty]

haha im glad to see you have familiarized yourself with dictionary.com, it can be quite a useful site. But, lets not skip definitions from dictionary.com, rather lets use the FIRST DEFINITION SHOWN, which happens to be "of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday." So, next time you are trying to prove me wrong with word definitions

yes but that one didn't fit my argument... : P

[RaisingSand]

Religion < personal faith.

[Zosomac]

I used to involve myself in religious debates, wither religon is poison... or the only thing that can save us from ourselves.
In the end, i decided to avoid debates like this, why? because face it, no matter how much you rag on christians, muslims, athiests, jews, satanists.. ect. they will still have faith in what they believe in. thats why its called FAITH. No matter how much you push your opinion, people are gonna feel bad, some more than others...
I have my own religion. something that provides clarity as to what life is, what it means to "be". I have no intent to share it amongst public forums, but if anyone is interested in what i believe in PM me.
In conclusion, i personally believe that the only "poison" in all this, is everyone debating, and exclaiming different religious opinions. Faith, is personal.. sacred if anything.

[Requin]

This is two years old. :locked: