music's negative effect on Youth

[4IrishJustice]

This is a copy of an email i recently sent to a few people. I appoligize in advance for the languedge. but i wanted it to stay orrigionally how i wrote it. I did change some words to the first letter and then astericts. (if i really have to change it dont get all hostile just have a mod let me know and i'll edit them out.)

I AM SICK OF THE S****Y NEW AGE BANDS WHO ARE SO MUSICALLY UNTALLENTED THAT THEY CAN'T COME UP WITH THERE OWN SONGS SO THEY STEAL THEM FROM GOOD ARTISTS OF THE PAST.


I've put just a few here, Jermaine Stewart sang the song "we dont have to take our clothes off" a song of platonic love. the f***ing gym class heros took this and turned it into the shit that is "we have to take our clothes off" WHAT THE S***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE HER HER SONG BACK. or at least don't take a song about a woman comming out and saying "hey im a strong woman who needs to be respected" and turn it into saying that sex is the only form of entertainment. THEY SHOULD ALL BE SHOT!!!!!!!!!!

THEY also messed with Supertramps song "Breakfast in America." now supertramp ROCKED. and F***ing gym class heros goes and F***S with that one too calling it "take a look at my girlfriend." im sorry i can not help but speak out against a band who puts the line "she even has her own ring tone, if thats not love than i dont know what love is." Anyone out there who thinks that giving someone their own cell phone ring is true love.....go f*** yourself, it seems thats all you know how to do. and please f*** yourself, not others, i dont want you spreading your genes.

Please send this to others you know, and spread the word. If you dont think that bands singing these things affect you life at all then think again, because these people aren't going anywhere. and in only about three years, the people who buy into this will effect everything from products, American culture, GOVERNMENT!!!!!! THESE PEOPLE WILL BE VOTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so please help make the change our country needs so desperately, and never forget 1/5 of Americans can't find America on a map.....and they vote......

That was the email. If you agree with me that bands have a large impact on how the youth turns out later in life then help me spread this message. "People are ignorent and easily manipulated, we shouldn't allow those who don't have the ability to form their own opinions be influnced in negative ways." I know this sounds kind of totalitarian-ish. but it angers me to see little kids, and i mean 10, 11, 12 year old kids, listening to music like that. The job is not the governments, its not the censors, its THEIR PARENTS!!!! and its our responsability to remember that when our kids are born that they do need to know the different opinions, but as children they do need to be sheltered at least a small amount.

and anyone who is now mad at me for not liking gym class heros...i dont really care...please dont send me hate mail.

[Whisper]

Ramblings of the Wise ---> 4th wall --> Music

[Octo22]

I hate gym class heroes and the whole new age emotive rock/indie.

But that e-mail goes a little far. It's just one guy dishing out on them for changing the classics.

If you're dumb enough to let music affect you. You don't belong in this world. INCLUDING whoever wrote that e-mail, the music manipulated him enough for him to rant and spread hate mail.

I'm a normal person, and since I was 9 I've been listening to Marilyn Manson. If lyrics of suicide, drugs and murder don't affect me, I don't think calling cell phone love is gonna corrupt our youth. Although I do believe that lyric to be making fun of it all, and this guy doesn't even realize it.

[4IrishJustice]

well my point is that music shouldn't be affecting us drastically, but never the less there's a large percentage of the population who absorb it subconsciously anyway.

[Maverick]

People like certain kinds of music and some people don't. Everyone has different tastes and you can't expect all teenagers to have the same taste as you. Listen to what you want and let people do the same. That simple isn't it?:P Take a chill pill.

Some people like songs just because they like the music and lyrics and don't put much else into it. What is wrong with that?

[Sage]

There are still plenty of good bands out there. Saying that all modern music is awful is kind of jumping to conclusions.

[Octo22]

but never the less there's a large percentage of the population who absorb it subconsciously anyway.

Give me one concrete proof, that todays music has negatively affected someone.

[thesphinx]

here's some proof that what type of music you listen to affects your brain.
rock music especially can be bad.
Here you go. (http://wvwv.essortment.com/musiceffectbra_rqxt.htm)
is that concrete enough for you

(by the way this doesn't really have anything to do with the thread starters post. I'm not really commenting about what the starter said, just saying some facts about music)

[0=]

That article does not cite any sources.


I listen to Black Sabbath. I haven't joined a satanic cult. Get over it.

[Octo22]

is that concrete enough for you

Far from it, that's biased/opinionated and just generally silly.

Certain music kills plants yes, because chlorophyll acts different with powered bass throwing it off, it negatively affects us too?

[thesphinx]

Far from it, that's biased/opinionated and just generally silly.

Certain music kills plants yes, because chlorophyll acts different with powered bass throwing it off, it negatively affects us too?

I found a few articles you might find interesting.

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_effect)
^is still being disputed between scientist, but I thought it brought up some interesting ideas.
& Here (http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n15/mente/musica.html)
Tell me what you think

[Octo22]

I'd like to point out that's all positive effects. And yes if you're brain is focusing on more than 4 bars of music (psytrance has 32, classical has 16) then you're going to more alert mentally.

"High school students who study music have higher grade point averages that those who don't."

They worded that poorly :P
Sounds like if I study music, I'm gonna beat the kid studying math :P

[thesphinx]

I'd like to point out that's all positive effects. And yes if you're brain is focusing on more than 4 bars of music (psytrance has 32, classical has 16) then you're going to more alert mentally.

"High school students who study music have higher grade point averages that those who don't."

They worded that poorly :P
Sounds like if I study music, I'm gonna beat the kid studying math :P

"In general, responses to music are able to be observed. It has been proven that music influences humans both in good and bad ways."

"An Australian physician and psychiatrist, Dr. John Diamond, found a direct link between muscle strength/weakness and music. He discovered that all of the muscles in the entire body go weak when subjected to the "stopped anapestic beat" of music from hard rock musicians, including Led Zeppelin, Alice Cooper, Queen, The Doors, Janis Joplin, Bachman - Turner Overdrive, and The Band. Dr. Diamond found another effect of the anapestic beat. He called it a "switching" of the brain. Dr. Diamond said this switching occurs when the actual symmetry between both of the cerebral hemispheres is destroyed causing alarm in the body along with lessened work performance, learning and behavior problems in children, and a "general malaise in adults." In addition to harmful, irregular beats in rock music, shrill frequencies prove to also be harmful to the body."

[Octo22]

Just like to quickly destroy that. "Queen" so the band that raises the roof, had slam dancing and would get an entire crowd stomping their feet to We Will Rock You, and yelling at the top of their voices, is making people go weak?

This reminds me of the exact same study of Led Zeppelins backwards messages creating satanic cults. It's only slanderous to popular bands deemed unfit by religion/the state.

"both of the cerebral hemispheres is destroyed" Music can't destroy part of your brain or a frequency, your brain frequencies are in a completely different section of your body. Nerves aren't for music. Neither is your spine.

Sorry, that's just hate, not scientific. Prove to me he's refutable and not biased and I'll buy it.

Bad parenting makes bad kids, not bad music.

[4IrishJustice]

Well true parenting does have a large effect on kids. But when you really look at some of the lyrics to the popular songs today, they are sick and twisted. Sexual and violent input does, in my opinion, cause sexually hyperactive and violent people. THats just from an observation of who's listening to what music, and than what social group they identify themselves with. (come to think of it that is only from outside observations...i'm going to take a poll at my school, i'll get back to you on that.) And its not just highschool kids i'm talking about here. It bothers me to see a lot of their little sibblings (10,11,12 year old kids) listening to songs about sex and drugs.

And for whoever it was that was trying to say that i didn't like today's music...well i dont. But thats not the problem. I get that the music i listen to is often about sex drugs and violence. But i wouldn't want my ten year old niece listening to Lou Reed or Guns and Roses anymore than i would want her listening to the Ignorence that is Gym Class Heros. (Yes i will forever bag on that band.)

[thesphinx]

Just like to quickly destroy that. "Queen" so the band that raises the roof, had slam dancing and would get an entire crowd stomping their feet to We Will Rock You, and yelling at the top of their voices, is making people go weak?

This reminds me of the exact same study of Led Zeppelins backwards messages creating satanic cults. It's only slanderous to popular bands deemed unfit by religion/the state.

"both of the cerebral hemispheres is destroyed" Music can't destroy part of your brain or a frequency, your brain frequencies are in a completely different section of your body. Nerves aren't for music. Neither is your spine.

Sorry, that's just hate, not scientific. Prove to me he's refutable and not biased and I'll buy it.

Bad parenting makes bad kids, not bad music.

First of all why would he biased? if you think that what you listen to doesn't effect your brain you must not know a lot about the brain.
Brain tissue of mice exposed to discordant sounds[including the anapestic beat]reveals unusual neuron growth.
You see music can effect the brain cells they opened up the brain and examined it and found that there were structural changes in there brain cells. the neurons showed signs of wear and tear from the music.
the music can also mess with your learning skills, the musics that are found in perpetual drumming are dis harmonic and can actually change the structure of the cells.
If you want to have a complex debate about this I have the facts to back it up.

[Sapphire]

Let me get this straight. If I listen to Marilyn Manson, Spineshank, Slipknot etc then my brain will be destroyed, I will become physically weak and behave in a violent manner? Well, then I must be going wrong somewhere because I am, in fact, intelligent, not violent and quite strong.
Doctors told us about 5-6 years ago that eating cooked tomatoes is very good for you as it contains an anti-cancer agent. They have said the same about garlic protecting you from cancer. My granddad adores garlic and cooked tomatoes. He eats them so regularly it is untrue. Yet, we discovered two years ago that he had cancer. So, tell me, how are we supposed to believe a word these so called doctors say when they feed us this shit?

[Octo22]

Well said tortured beauty.

Also I'd like to say Ed Gein existed before this "evil" music. He's the most infamous serial killer of all time.

I listen to this "devil" music too since I was 7, I'm a straight A student, can bench press my own weight, which is more than many can say (170, btw) and don't condone violence.

You seem to be virtually ATTACKING this band. Who's more violent now? =P

[thesphinx]

Let me get this straight. If I listen to Marilyn Manson, Spineshank, Slipknot etc then my brain will be destroyed, I will become physically weak and behave in a violent manner? Well, then I must be going wrong somewhere because I am, in fact, intelligent, not violent and quite strong.
Doctors told us about 5-6 years ago that eating cooked tomatoes is very good for you as it contains an anti-cancer agent. They have said the same about garlic protecting you from cancer. My granddad adores garlic and cooked tomatoes. He eats them so regularly it is untrue. Yet, we discovered two years ago that he had cancer. So, tell me, how are we supposed to believe a word these so called doctors say when they feed us this shit?

Well first of all as with allot of things you don't see the effects instantly it takes time, over time its been proven to effect the cells.and let me make clear that not everyone reacts in the same way because we're different we've built up our own thought patterns and ways of thinking, how do you know what you would be like without the music? have you ever tried going without it. and this is not some bias program to get you to stop listen to this music. A privet group of scientists did a study and this was there results if you don't believe me look it up. why would a privet group of people want to feed you lies. there whole motive of the experiment was because of all the the groups and people who claimed that this music was effecting youth. so they went and proved that it could effect the youth because of the change in the cells of your brain. so my question to you is why would they lie to you when they were looking for truth them self? This isn't about religion or personal beliefs this is a physical matter that is happening in your brain.

[thesphinx]

Well said tortured beauty.

Also I'd like to say Ed Gein existed before this "evil" music. He's the most infamous serial killer of all time.

I listen to this "devil" music too since I was 7, I'm a straight A student, can bench press my own weight, which is more than many can say (170, btw) and don't condone violence.

You seem to be virtually ATTACKING this band. Who's more violent now? =P

I am far from "Attacking" that band. but I am criticizing this sort of music in general. its not "One" band.

[Octo22]

Well if certain people do react differently and we just happen to be "special". Explain to me why the youth aren't currently rebelling. Explain why the majority of the earths problems occured before this music was around.

I will admit that music can affect our brain from a biological/chemical stand point. Can this music ACTUALLY affect our daily/social/life, no not at all.

[thesphinx]

Well if certain people do react differently and we just happen to be "special". Explain to me why the youth aren't currently rebelling. Explain why the majority of the earths problems occured before this music was around.

I will admit that music can affect our brain from a biological/chemical stand point. Can this music ACTUALLY affect our daily/social/life, no not at all.

why couldn't it effect our daily life's? also you don't have any information to back up your theory, and if you read anything in my last post I explain why people react differently.
have you ever tried going without music? if not then you don't know what you would be like without it. I never said you were "special" the music could be effecting you and you might not even realize it.
I never said that the earths problems are caused by music, obviously people in general have problems. but I don't think this music is helping our problems do you?

[Octo22]

why couldn't it effect our daily life's?

Okay, you're almost picking the easy arguments here.

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9908/25/mozart.iq/

Destroyed the Mozart idea. You can look up many many other studies disproving it if you'd like.

Music can indeed change a mood. Happy music = happy person. How are you saying it affects us?

I'm sorry but you're being way too GENERAL.

You're arguing music can affect us.
Original topic, music is basically destroying society.


also you don't have any information to back up your theory, and if you read anything in my last post I explain why people react differently. [/size]

Well now I do, I don't bother posting "scientific discoveries" or "theories" because 9/10 times they will be destroyed within a year.

[QUOTE=thesphinx;182542]
have you ever tried going without music? [/size]

I went through a full year in which I couldn't find any music to capture my interest. Was I any more intelligent/better off? No. I just stopped listening to music altogether because artists I enjoy are hard to come by and radio's are boring.

[QUOTE=thesphinx;182542]but I don't think this music is helping our problems do you?

Which problems? BE SPECIFIC.

You said we as humans have problems; I personally don't blame music for ADD, ADHD, Aspergers, Carpel Tunnel Syndrome, OCD...

Now did you mean over-all world wide? Because I don't think music caused global warming, or the war in Iraq. Or Capitalism to be corrupt.

The world has long since been f*cked over, before music was even created.

but wait....apparently. Same of the earliest forms of rock and roll (originating from funk) came from times of slavery and eventually slavery went away once this music had hit it big.

Therefore, Funk clearly made white folks realize the error of their ways, because of it's VAST effects.

I'm sorry for taking the piss of your argument, but if you're not specific and give me general scientific discoveries while having no actual opinion yourself other than "music affects us negatively" it doesn't seem worth it.

[thesphinx]

ALRIGHT do you want me to completely specify what I am saying. first of all music effects the cells in your brain. if you read any of my posts I said that the rock music beat is the type of music that effects the cells. I am not specifying any specific band or type of music. it can damage the neurons which may effect your learning abilities, and a few other things depending on the person.
The Mozart link I gave you I clearly said it was theoretical. this has nothing to do with the "mood" the music gives you.
also the only information you have given me is about the Mozart theory what about all the other things I said?
I'll be as specific as you want me to be. I can back up anything I say with science.

Everything I said ( besides Mozart theory ) is pure scientific facts.

[Sapphire]

How can you actually say that because this music affected plants it will affect us anyway? We are very different from plants.

[thesphinx]

How can you actually say that because this music affected plants it will affect us anyway? We are very different from plants.

This is true plants are different than humans, but all the information I have given you were tests done to white Mice. They are much like humans.

[Sapphire]

It still cannot be generalised to humans though. Even animals are different to us. In no situation can research carried out on plants and animals be generalised to humans. It isn't accurate and you cannot prove or disprove that we react the same way without carrying it out on humans.

[thesphinx]

It still cannot be generalised to humans though. Even animals are different to us. In no situation can research carried out on plants and animals be generalised to humans. It isn't accurate and you cannot prove or disprove that we react the same way without carrying it out on humans.

this is true, but it still proves that it physically effects your brain cells. which in fact can have a major effect on your behaviors. obviously we have different thought patterns and differently developed brains than mice but the principal stays the same. whether your a plant human animal whatever, music has the power to change your physical cellular structure, more research is being done in the lines of human tests, to better understand sound and the influences it has on us. but its a fact that it can change the human brain.

[Sapphire]

It is not a proven fact that it affects human brain tissue. Untill we see irrefutible evidence that we, as humans, are affected by this I will not believe a word you say. In my opinion, this is just as reliable as the shit they spouted about garlic and cooked tomatoes protecting you against cancer.

[thesphinx]

It is not a proven fact that it affects human brain tissue. Untill we see irrefutible evidence that we, as humans, are affected by this I will not believe a word you say. In my opinion, this is just as reliable as the shit they spouted about garlic and cooked tomatoes protecting you against cancer.

The brain cells of mice are almost identical to human cells.(sure there not a 100% the same) but its enough to be a reliable source.

Human embryonic stem cells are pluripotent entities, capable of generating a whole-body spectrum of distinct cell types. However, differentiation of these cells has been observed only in culture or during teratoma formation. Our results show that human embryonic stem cells implanted in the brain ventricles of embryonic mice can differentiate into functional neural lineages and generate mature, active human neurons that successfully integrate into the adult mouse forebrain. Moreover, this study reveals the conservation and recognition of common signals for neural differentiation throughout mammalian evolution. The chimeric model will permit the study of human neural development in a live environment, paving the way for the generation of new models of human neurodegenerative and psychiatric diseases. The model also has the potential to speed up the screening process for therapeutic drugs.

pretty much they are so much alike that they can use them for testing of drugs and experiments.
its plain ignorance to not acknowledge the facts.

[Octo22]

Okay, again. I do believe that these can affect your brain cells.

I don't believe different types of music will cause different effects. (the only plausible difference would be bass vs. treble)

I don't believe this effect is ever actually noticeable.

Give me exact accounts in which someone listening to hardcore for example, killed because of this music.

Hell one of the recent school shootings in Toronto, I remember reading something about him listening to Beethoven over and over again.

[Sapphire]

The brain cells of mice are almost identical to human cells.(sure there not a 100% the same) but its enough to be a reliable source...

pretty much they are so much alike that they can use them for testing of drugs and experiments.
its plain ignorance to not acknowledge the facts.

No. I have just completed a psychology course and all the way through the text books studies have been discredited because they assumed that studies on animals would provide accurate results for the effects on humans. Our brains are somewhat similar to theirs, I'll grant you that. But ours include scope to carry out "executive functions" (ie prediction, planning etc) We cannot be sure that human brains would react in the same way. End of. To say otherwise is theorising ahead of evidence.

[Sage]

Personalities choose music, music doesn't choose personalities.

[thesphinx]

Well all I can say is that whether you like it or not rock music is proven to negatively change the neuron structure in your brain, they have not done many tests on the effect to your behaviors from this. we haven't had this sort of music around enough to fully study its effect's on society so you can't rule anything out. all I can say is that if your neurons are under stress from the music it is a Negative thing.

[Maverick]

Well all I can say is that whether you like it or not rock music is proven to negatively change the neuron structure in your brain, they have not done many tests on the effect to your behaviors from this. we haven't had this sort of music around enough to fully study its effect's on society so you can't rule anything out. all I can say is that if your neurons are under stress from the music it is a Negative thing.
How is rock music negative? Calling something negative is matter of opinion.

[Octo22]

we haven't had this sort of music around enough to fully study its effect's on society so you can't rule anything out.

My grandpa went his entire life listening to Rock & Roll. He was Chief of Police for the entire Province.

But clearly NEGATIVE NEURONS WILL MAKE HIM GO CRAZY!!!111111

[thesphinx]

How is rock music negative? Calling something negative is matter of opinion.

I already explained this rock music is negative because the type of beat they usually play negatively effects the cells in your brain.

My grandpa went his entire life listening to Rock & Roll. He was Chief of Police for the entire Province.

But clearly NEGATIVE NEURONS WILL MAKE HIM GO CRAZY!!!111111

I never said you were going to go "crazy". all I'm saying is wear and tear from stress on the neuron is a negative thing.

[Octo22]

\all I'm saying is wear and tear from stress on the neuron is a negative thing.

Explain how it affects me negatively if you're so keen on being a chemist/psychologist.

How do we know it's not like a muscle, and wear and tear will only improve it!

[Sapphire]

Well all I can say is that whether you like it or not rock music is proven to negatively change the neuron structure in your brain, they have not done many tests on the effect to your behaviors from this.

It has not been proven to affect human brains. Mice and plants, maybe. But not humans. We are different from them both and you can't generalise.
How many times will we have to say this to you?

[Hyper]

Well let me say this.. I agree with Tortured ( Sorry can't remember your name atm :( ) on the testing part, were not plants, were not animals.. Were humans..

And as for this thread.. BULLSHIT!

That is my opinion, and I won't explain it.

[Sugaree]

Now by bad influence I think it's mainly rap and that kind of shit. How can any1 stand that crap?

[Maverick]

Now by bad influence I think it's mainly rap and that kind of shit. How can any1 stand that crap?
Some rap is pretty good though.

[Sugaree]

Well yeah. Ushers song "Yeah" is probably the only one I like. But yeah rap is alot of bad stuff in it

[Maverick]

There's crap in every genre.

[Underground_Network]

There's crap in every genre.

QFT

[Sugaree]

There's crap in every genre.

Hey Anthony no offense but watch when you say "There's crap in every genre." around a Phil Collins and Genesis fan.

[Maverick]

Hey Anthony no offense but watch when you say "There's crap in every genre." around a Phil Collins and Genesis fan.
Watch what I say? I'm free to express my own opinion. You may not agree with it but I have every right to say I think there's crap in every genre as much as you have the right to say:
How can any1 stand that crap?
But yeah rap is alot of bad stuff in it
Same thing.

[Octo22]

Hey Anthony no offense but watch when you say "There's crap in every genre." around a Phil Collins and Genesis fan.

Since when is Phil Collins and Genesis a genre?

And you hate opinions so much? I strongly dislike the two, and could ALMOST go far enough as to consider them crap.

[Camazotz]

I dislike some modern music(rap, hip hop, and metal) But some are okay(punk, rock-alternative, and newer rock) Not all newer music is bad, but some is bad.

[Sage]

I dislike some modern music(rap, hip hop, and metal) But some are okay(punk, rock-alternative, and newer rock) Not all newer music is bad, but some is bad.

So is some old music. ._.

[A.J.]

music can have a good effect when its REAL music with a message and quality. Newer pop like 'the world is out to get me emo and all that pop diva B.S. im awsome and your not definately arent something kids need to hear