A world without religion?

[Gaybaby94]

Amid the violence in the Middle East, I got to thinking about what it would be like if religion never existed in the first place ( a dream come true for me).

So what do you guys think. To me, I see a world of peace and harmony. No wars. No hatred. No ignorance. A perfect world.

[Zarakly]

Well it wouldn't be a world withut hatred. Many atheist still "hate" eachother and it has nothing to do with religion. THere still would be some wars, but not as many, no ignorance? hahahaha religion isn't the only reason for ignorance. How about I rephrase your question? What would it be like with a world of only Christians? There would be peace, love, and harmony because everyone would be following the same thing.
Muslims? Probably the same thing because there is only 1 religion. And people would be following the same thing such as the golden rule the do unto others that you want to be treated. Every religion has the same rule just rephrased...

[huginnmuninn]

Well it wouldn't be a world withut hatred. Many atheist still "hate" eachother and it has nothing to do with religion. THere still would be some wars, but not as many, no ignorance? hahahaha religion isn't the only reason for ignorance. How about I rephrase your question? What would it be like with a world of only Christians? There would be peace, love, and harmony because everyone would be following the same thing.
Muslims? Probably the same thing because there is only 1 religion. And people would be following the same thing such as the golden rule the do unto others that you want to be treated. Every religion has the same rule just rephrased...

a world with only Christians? all Christians don't believe in the same thing. there are many different types like catholic, baptist, Mormon, and others i don't feel like naming. they would probably end up fighting each other

[Zarakly]

a world with only Christians? all Christians don't believe in the same thing. there are many different types like catholic, baptist, Mormon, and others i don't feel like naming. they would probably end up fighting each other

I don't think they would end up fighting eachother because they are all getting taught pretty much the same thing. Also they have the golden rule to love and forgive instead of hate and fight.

[Human]

if there was a world without religion, people would find other reasons to fight.

[Empty Spaces]

I think world would be a better place.

[Gigablue]

I think the world would have less hatred and ignorance, but people would find plenty of other reasons to fight.

[Guillermo]

No; even then I still couldn't picture a "perfect world" in peace and harmony. There would still be countries. Countries have borders. World War 1 was mainly started because of nations wanting to expand these borders and rising nationalism because of this. Nations like Serbia hated bigger nations like the Austro-Hungarian empire (and this hatred had nothing to do with religion). The Austro-Hungarian empire had plans to take over Serbia and make it apart of their empire. All of this was because of the desire for more land. And then when other countries got involved (Germany, Ottoman Empire) they also wanted to take over more land. The desire for land was then demonstrated again in World War 2 when Germany lost a lot of it land before and basically took over
Czechoslovakia, Austria, and then invaded all other countries in western and central Europe (except for Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, and Andorra). Furthermore, there are still disputes today over land boundaries like whether or not Tibet is its own country or still apart of China; whether Kosovo (or parts of it) is still apart of Serbia. Need I go on about countries and boundaries and how they've started wars and hatred against other nations?

There could be plenty of other things to dispute and have hatred over like: wealth, possessions, government, social status, etc etc... There are so many minor things I could get into that wouldn't fit into a "world of peace and harmony" like hate crimes and murders over jealously and possessions that have nothing to do with religion.

[Sugaree]

Amid the violence in the Middle East, I got to thinking about what it would be like if religion never existed in the first place ( a dream come true for me).

So what do you guys think. To me, I see a world of peace and harmony. No wars. No hatred. No ignorance. A perfect world.

The violence in the Middle East is coming from extremist Muslims in response to this video that insults Mohammed. You can't blame them, they were taught from an early age that you must defend your religious beliefs. I feel sorry for them more than anything, but that gives them no excuse to attack our embassies and consulates.

A world without religion would be extremely lacking in any truly rich culture. A lot of culture in the Middle East, to my understanding, does revolve around many aspects of Islam. Religion is a core aspect of humanity as a whole, whether you like it or not, and it will most likely stay in some form.

Blaming all ignorance, hate, and wars on religion also goes to show your own ignorance. Wars have been started on common disagreements, ownership of land, and many other stupid reasons. Religion is not always the sole purpose of everything bad in the world. Though, yes, it has caused much strife, religion has also provided us with a wonderful history in art, music, and literature.

Religion is part of our history as human beings. There are many religious and non-religious humans, but those of us who are not followers of any religion need to realize that we can be just as ignorant, if not MORE ignorant, than the religious extremists we speak against.

[FreeFall]

There still wouldn't be peace and harmony. There'd still be plenty of ignorance and hate, and wars. Maybe a little less but it wouldn't be gone.

[ethanf93]

I don't think they would end up fighting eachother because they are all getting taught pretty much the same thing. Also they have the golden rule to love and forgive instead of hate and fight.

Er, what about the protestants/Catholics? This has happened before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

What does a world without religion even mean? No metaphysics allowed?

[Zarakly]

Er, what about the protestants/Catholics? This has happened before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

What does a world without religion even mean? No metaphysics allowed?


Oh, I meant less wars because either way, there will become wars. Its in our nature. I think by a world without religion he means that there is only atheists there. A world without religion would also be bland. Think of all the different cultures that arrise because of religion. The art and a bunch of other stuff...

[ethanf93]

Oh, I meant less wars because either way, there will become wars. Its in our nature. I think by a world without religion he means that there is only atheists there. A world without religion would also be bland. Think of all the different cultures that arrise because of religion. The art and a bunch of other stuff...

Atheism is a form of religion even if atheists doesn't like to admit that. - And importantly, atheists have done terrible, terrible things.

[Zarakly]

Atheism is a form of religion even if atheists doesn't like to admit that. - And importantly, atheists have done terrible, terrible things.

Thats a good point haha. They choose to believe that there isn't a God which is a belief...I know atheists have done terrible things, but I just don't want to say anything because they will call it ignorance.

[West Coast Sheriff]

if there was a world without religion, people would find other reasons to fight.

I agree with condor, No matter what there will always be fighting, and you can't Really blame it on religion.

The violence in the Middle East is coming from extremist Muslims in response to this video that insults Mohammed. You can't blame them, they were taught from an early age that you must defend your religious beliefs. I feel sorry for them more than anything, but that gives them no excuse to attack our embassies and consulates.

A world without religion would be extremely lacking in any truly rich culture. A lot of culture in the Middle East, to my understanding, does revolve around many aspects of Islam. Religion is a core aspect of humanity as a whole, whether you like it or not, and it will most likely stay in some form.

Blaming all ignorance, hate, and wars on religion also goes to show your own ignorance. Wars have been started on common disagreements, ownership of land, and many other stupid reasons. Religion is not always the sole purpose of everything bad in the world. Though, yes, it has caused much strife, religion has also provided us with a wonderful history in art, music, and literature.

Religion is part of our history as human beings. There are many religious and non-religious humans, but those of us who are not followers of any religion need to realize that we can be just as ignorant, if not MORE ignorant, than the religious extremists we speak against.
^^ great wording ^^

Also I'd like to add that religion directs people's lives. People who love their religion base their lives off of it.
And what about all the religion based charities and organization funds that help people all around the world.

[Azunite]

I love it how people with such narrowed-down perspectives see religion as the sole source of war and all that is bad.

[Voleurz]

Atheism is a form of religion even if atheists doesn't like to admit that. - And importantly, atheists have done terrible, terrible things.

Uhh.... What terrible things have atheists done besides trying to put an end to the ignorance and hate that the church perpetuates?

[Gigablue]

Atheism is a form of religion even if atheists doesn't like to admit that. - And importantly, atheists have done terrible, terrible things.

Atheism isn't a religion. Religion requires faith. Atheism is simply saying that there is insufficient evidence to support the existance of god. If there is new evidence, atheists would reconsider and might believe is a god if someone could show they exist. Theists don't stop believing in a god even when shown the lack of evidence and sheer implausibility of their beliefs.

What terrible things have atheists done? Theists have done many horrible things in the name of religion. No one does terrible things in the name of atheism. There are some atheists who do bad things, but none of them do bad things in the name of atheism.

[Zarakly]

Atheism isn't a religion. Religion requires faith. Atheism is simply saying that there is insufficient evidence to support the existance of god. If there is new evidence, atheists would reconsider and might believe is a god if someone could show they exist. Theists don't stop believing in a god even when shown the lack of evidence and sheer implausibility of their beliefs.

What terrible things have atheists done? Theists have done many horrible things in the name of religion. No one does terrible things in the name of atheism. There are some atheists who do bad things, but none of them do bad things in the name of atheism.

There has been around only 7% of all wars caused by religion. That being said, 93% of wars were caused by nonreligious stuff. A world without religion would be a lot worse than a world with religion.

[Gigablue]

There has been around only 7% of all wars caused by religion. That being said, 93% of wars were caused by nonreligious stuff. A world without religion would be a lot worse than a world with religion.

That is true, but I think you misinterpreted me. How many wars were started in the name of atheism? None.

How would a world without religion be worse than one with it. What does religion do that's good for society? Does the good done by religion outway the bad? I certainly don't think so.

[ethanf93]

Uhh.... What terrible things have atheists done besides trying to put an end to the ignorance and hate that the church perpetuates?

There were the atrocities committed by the Soviet Union and Maoist China, to start. Unless you believe it's OK to suppress other peoples beliefs ("ignorance and hate that the church perpetuates")
Atheism isn't a religion. Religion requires faith. Atheism is simply saying that there is insufficient evidence to support the existance of god. If there is new evidence, atheists would reconsider and might believe is a god if someone could show they exist. Theists don't stop believing in a god even when shown the lack of evidence and sheer implausibility of their beliefs.
No it isn't. Atheism is the belief that there is no god. Agnosticism is closer to what you're talking about. Atheists like to claim their claim has higher standing than other religions but this is not logically supported; lack of evidence can not support something.

What terrible things have atheists done? Theists have done many horrible things in the name of religion. No one does terrible things in the name of atheism. There are some atheists who do bad things, but none of them do bad things in the name of atheism.
See also Soviet Union et al.

[Zarakly]

That is true, but I think you misinterpreted me. How many wars were started in the name of atheism? None.

How would a world without religion be worse than one with it. What does religion do that's good for society? Does the good done by religion outway the bad? I certainly don't think so.

But it does. Religion is the cause of many wars I give you that, but think of all the good it has done. It has created art, culture, friends, even families in a sense. People that follow a religion try to follow it and not act bad. It sort of directs their lives which in turn, makes some good, and some bad decisions. By good outway the bad do you only mean by wars? Because if that is, then perhaps you are right. But that leaves out art. THink of all the art that was inspired by religion. All the architecture, all the just mass gatherings of people which eventually leads to friends.

[Gigablue]

No it isn't. Atheism is the belief that there is no god. Agnosticism is closer to what you're talking about. Atheists like to claim their claim has higher standing than other religions but this is not logically supported; lack of evidence can not support something.

Atheism is a rejection of the statement "there is a god". This means that atheist do not believe in a god, usually due to a ack of evidence. There is no way to prove something doesn't exist, but if there is no evidence for something, it is unnecessary to explain natural phenomena, and it goes against our current understanding of science, it is simply irrational to believe in it.

It is not up to atheists to prove god doesn't exist, but rather theist must prove their god exists. Atheism is more logical since it doesn't make unsupported claims.

But it does. Religion is the cause of many wars I give you that, but think of all the good it has done. It has created art, culture, friends, even families in a sense. People that follow a religion try to follow it and not act bad. It sort of directs their lives which in turn, makes some good, and some bad decisions. By good outway the bad do you only mean by wars? Because if that is, then perhaps you are right. But that leaves out art. THink of all the art that was inspired by religion. All the architecture, all the just mass gatherings of people which eventually leads to friends.

I don't think religion is necessary for art to exist. People would create art anyway. People are naturally artistic. The nature of the art might be different, but it would still exist. I also don't think religion is necessary to have direction in your life. People would still be basically good without religion.

Religion has done more that just cause wars. It promotes unscientific thinking, wastes time and money and causes much hatred and discrimination.

[The Mockingjay]

The world would be better without religion, but it certainly wouldn't mean the end of all conflict and a "peaceful world" as some people think. Yes, there would be less hatred between people for differences of culture or beliefs or race or sexuality, but at the end of the day people will find other justifications to fight. As a species we fall out, we go to war, we fight. We inherently fight each other and nothing will change that.

[ethanf93]

Atheism is a rejection of the statement "there is a god". This means that atheist do not believe in a god, usually due to a ack of evidence. There is no way to prove something doesn't exist, but if there is no evidence for something, it is unnecessary to explain natural phenomena, and it goes against our current understanding of science, it is simply irrational to believe in it. Religion is necessary to answer metaphysical questions. At this time we have no other option (science is useless w/r/t metaphysics,) ergo it is necessary.

It is not up to atheists to prove god doesn't exist, but rather theist must prove their god exists. Atheism is more logical since it doesn't make unsupported claims.

So you can't prove atheism but I'm required to prove theism. You just conceded above that you can't prove nonexistence, and thus "there is no god" is unsupportable.

PS there go my rep points :)

[Zarakly]

Atheism is a rejection of the statement "there is a god". This means that atheist do not believe in a god, usually due to a ack of evidence. There is no way to prove something doesn't exist, but if there is no evidence for something, it is unnecessary to explain natural phenomena, and it goes against our current understanding of science, it is simply irrational to believe in it. It is not up to atheists to prove god doesn't exist, but rather theist must prove their god exists. Atheism is more logical since it doesn't make unsupported claims.

I just don't understand why atheists always claim there is no God. If there is no God. Why are religions all pretty much about worshipping a higher being? The majority of religions all are pretty much the same belief. Catholics and Christians believe in God and that he there with them always. Hinduism believes that Brahman is the ultimate one, a being that is in everything and everyone. Similar? Yes. Those are just a couple of examples.

I don't think religion is necessary for art to exist. People would create art anyway. People are naturally artistic. The nature of the art might be different, but it would still exist. I also don't think religion is necessary to have direction in your life. People would still be basically good without religion. Religion has done more that just cause wars. It promotes unscientific thinking, wastes time and money and causes much hatred and discrimination.

Yes religion isn't the only reason for art to exist. But it is the reason for some of the best pieces of art. Sure we wouldn't have some of the best art ever. We would have other forms of art. Religion isn't the only reason for direction in your life, but it is a big one for most. That is what I was trying to tell you. Religion doesn't promote unscientific thinking. There are many people who are religious who still believe in scientific thinking. Ill tell you something, I am religious, but I also believe in the big bang and evolution. If you see some of the pictures of the creation of the universe you will understand this, there are many pictures that start out the beginning of the universe as the big bang. I believe this, but if you look before the big bang what do you see? Darkness. Then the big bang, Light. THat is where I believe the "Let there be light" means. You know what else wastes time and money? Television, Video Games, The Internet. If you add the total time and money used for those 3 things, there is a lot of money and time we could've used to advance technology. We could've created many things. Polotics is another thing that causes lots of hatred and discrimination for non-religious things. That wasn't the fault of religion...

[Stephan]

Would be nice.

[Professional Russian]

Atheism is a form of religion even if atheists doesn't like to admit that. - And importantly, atheists have done terrible, terrible things.

Atheism isnt a religion. We dont believe in a religion and we dont believe in a god so how can we be a religion?


So you can't prove atheism but I'm required to prove theism. You just conceded above that you can't prove nonexistence, and thus "there is no god" is unsupportable.

You cant prove there is a god. So Atheism is more logical

[Zarakly]

You cant prove there is a god. So Atheism is more logical

Actually, religion is more logical because people have been believing the same thing for centuries. It is all pretty much the same thing, a belief in higher being. God, Brahman, Buddha, all are worshipped and are pretty much the same thing. Why would millions of people believe in generally the same thing if it weren't true?

[Professional Russian]

Actually, religion is more logical because people have been believing the same thing for centuries. It is all pretty much the same thing, a belief in higher being. God, Brahman, Buddha, all are worshipped and are pretty much the same thing. Why would millions of people believe in generally the same thing if it weren't true?

Prove that theres a god. Prove it right here and right now.

[Zarakly]

Prove that theres a god. Prove it right here and right now.

Lol you keep saying that. Why don't you try and disprove everyone, every buddhist, hindu, christian, catholic, muslim, jew? Hmm? They all believe in generally the same thing and have believed for many centuries. Also why does it seem that most of the people that are religious don't have as much stress? What about that? I certainly know more religious people who are a lot less stressed and have more fun than atheists.

[Professional Russian]

Lol you keep saying that. Why don't you try and disprove everyone, every buddhist, hindu, christian, catholic, muslim, jew? Hmm? They all believe in generally the same thing and have believed for many centuries. Also why does it seem that most of the people that are religious don't have as much stress? What about that? I certainly know more religious people who are a lot less stressed and have more fun than atheists.

JUst because they believe doesnt make it true

[ethanf93]

Atheism isnt a religion. We dont believe in a religion and we dont believe in a god so how can we be a religion?
See above, atheism is a religion because it makes statements about the existence of god.

You cant prove there is a god. So Atheism is more logical???? Again, why is there a double standard for who has to prove what? Atheism is certainly not "more logical," as I stated above lack of evidence cannot be used to prove something.

[Zarakly]

JUst because they believe doesnt make it true

But why do all these people all believe in the same general idea? They have believed for many many centuries. It doesn't make sense to say there isn't something. It is logical to follow history and see how many people have believed. How many worship. Its just mind blowing...

[Professional Russian]

See above, atheism is a religion because it makes statements about the existence of god.
THat doesnt make it a religion
???? Again, why is there a double standard for who has to prove what? Atheism is certainly not "more logical," as I stated above lack of evidence cannot be used to prove something.

As said above prove theres a god. as soon as someone proves it ill believe it...actually still wont but prove it


But why do all these people all believe in the same general idea? They have believed for many many centuries. It doesn't make sense to say there isn't something. It is logical to follow history and see how many people have believed. How many worship. Its just mind blowing...


Will soemone just prove theres a fucking god?

[Zarakly]

THat doesnt make it a religion


As said above prove theres a god. as soon as someone proves it ill believe it...actually still wont but prove it

Right there, you see that, thats how EVERY atheist is. They are arrogant and can't seem to grasp the idea of it. I don't understand haha. Now your going to say I'm the arrogant one for believing and not listening to you but guess what? I WAS AN ATHEIST ONCE! Yup Thats right, it was actually around 3 years ago when I was still and atheist.


You say to prove there is a God, I have given my evidence, you chose to not accept it. It is your fault and now your turn to disprove there is not a God.

[Gigablue]

Actually, religion is more logical because people have been believing the same thing for centuries. It is all pretty much the same thing, a belief in higher being. God, Brahman, Buddha, all are worshipped and are pretty much the same thing. Why would millions of people believe in generally the same thing if it weren't true?

This doesn't make it logical. There are many things that have been believed for a long time. Being old doesn't make something true.

I just don't understand why atheists always claim there is no God. If there is no God. Why are religions all pretty much about worshipping a higher being? The majority of religions all are pretty much the same belief. Catholics and Christians believe in God and that he there with them always. Hinduism believes that Brahman is the ultimate one, a being that is in everything and everyone. Similar? Yes. Those are just a couple of examples.

There are two different types of atheists: gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists. Gnostic, or strong, atheists assert that there is no god. Agnostic, or weak, atheists simply say that there is insufficient evidence for a god and that it is not reasonable to believe in one based on the current evidence. Strong atheism isn't really provable and requires blind faith, therefore I think it is as irrational as religion. Weak atheism is not unreasonable. There isn't evidence for the existence of a god. If someone has good evidence, it should considered, but there is no good reason to believe is a god.

Whether many people believe in a god or not is irrelevant. The evidence should stand on its own. The truth is not determined by the number of people who believe it. I think the evidence should be looked at, but saying lots of people believe in a god isn't really evidence.

[Professional Russian]

Right there, you see that, thats how EVERY atheist is. They are arrogant and can't seem to grasp the idea of it. I don't understand haha. Now your going to say I'm the arrogant one for believing and not listening to you but guess what? I WAS AN ATHEIST ONCE! Yup Thats right, it was actually around 3 years ago when I was still and atheist.
You say to prove there is a God, I have given my evidence, you chose to not accept it. It is your fault and now your turn to disprove there is not a God.


i didnt ask for your life i story i asked to prove there is a god. and you keep trying to get around that because there isnt one but you want to believe there one. You have given my no evidence of a god. sorry

[ethanf93]

THat doesnt make it a religion

Well this is certainly going in circles.

Religion: an institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine (Bing)
Religion: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices (Merriam Webster)

As said above prove theres a god. as soon as someone proves it ill believe it...actually still wont but prove it
You did not answer my question, and by saying "still wont [sic]" you only reinforce my statement that atheism is a religion. (The other definitions of religion generally involve matters of faith)

Will soemone just prove theres a fucking god?Alright, I think I'm done here.

[Sugaree]

Right there, you see that, thats how EVERY atheist is. They are arrogant and can't seem to grasp the idea of it. I don't understand haha. Now your going to say I'm the arrogant one for believing and not listening to you but guess what? I WAS AN ATHEIST ONCE! Yup Thats right, it was actually around 3 years ago when I was still and atheist.

Right there, you see that, thats how EVERY Christian is. They are arrogant and can't seem to grasp the idea of it. I don't understand haha. Now your going to say I'm the arrogant one for not believing and not listening to you but guess what? I WAS A CHRISTIAN ONCE! Yup That's right, it was actually around 3 years ago when I was still a Christian.

[Inventor2]

You cant proove there isnt a god so why dont you leave him alone

[Professional Russian]

You cant proove there isnt a god so why dont you leave him alone

Have fun with this (http://godisimaginary.com/)

[Sugaree]

You cant proove there isnt a god so why dont you leave him alone

It's a debate forum, we don't care about other people's feelings. Deal with it.

[Gigablue]

You say to prove there is a God, I have given my evidence, you chose to not accept it. It is your fault and now your turn to disprove there is not a God.

What evidence? You gave absolutely no evidence. Also, you can't prove a negative. If you think you can, prove Santa doesn't exist. If you can do that, then I will try to prove god doesn't exist.

[Zarakly]

This doesn't make it logical. There are many things that have been believed for a long time. Being old doesn't make something true.



There are two different types of atheists: gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists. Gnostic, or strong, atheists assert that there is no god. Agnostic, or weak, atheists simply say that there is insufficient evidence for a god and that it is not reasonable to believe in one based on the current evidence. Strong atheism isn't really provable and requires blind faith, therefore I think it is as irrational as religion. Weak atheism is not unreasonable. There isn't evidence for the existence of a god. If someone has good evidence, it should considered, but there is no good reason to believe is a god.

Whether many people believe in a god or not is irrelevant. The evidence should stand on its own. The truth is not determined by the number of people who believe it. I think the evidence should be looked at, but saying lots of people believe in a god isn't really evidence.

But your just assuming about 1 religion. You dont understand it is not the 1 religion believing in God. It is many. More than atheist. Milllions upon Millions of people all seem to have this same idea. The books are all almost the same and teach pretty much the same thing. Many people have said that the whole world flooding would be impossible. Then whats the big worry with global warming? its not like its not going to FLOOD ANYWHERE? Hmm whats that? Oh yea IT WILL. There IS enough water on Earth to flood it. A lot of it is just frozen. Another thing, there has been a wooden structure that is really old found ontop of a mountain in turkey. The ark maybe? There has been chariot pieces found underneath the red sea. There was a box of bones found recently that had the name Jonah on it. It also had pictures of a man sitting inside of a fish. Jonah and the whale. The Big bang theory, if you look at a age chart of the universe you will see it was dark and then suddenly there was light. Why does man have 1 less rib then women? I cant think of anything else right now, but there is more stuff just like that.

[Professional Russian]

But your just assuming about 1 religion. You dont understand it is not the 1 religion believing in God. It is many. More than atheist. Milllions upon Millions of people all seem to have this same idea. The books are all almost the same and teach pretty much the same thing. Many people have said that the whole world flooding would be impossible. Then whats the big worry with global warming? its not like its not going to FLOOD ANYWHERE? Hmm whats that? Oh yea IT WILL. There IS enough water on Earth to flood it. A lot of it is just frozen. Another thing, there has been a wooden structure that is really old found ontop of a mountain in turkey. The ark maybe? There has been chariot pieces found underneath the red sea. There was a box of bones found recently that had the name Jonah on it. It also had pictures of a man sitting inside of a fish. Jonah and the whale. The Big bang theory, if you look at a age chart of the universe you will see it was dark and then suddenly there was light. Why does man have 1 less rib then women? I cant think of anything else right now, but there is more stuff just like that.

Give me sources to all that bullshit

[Zarakly]

What evidence? You gave absolutely no evidence. Also, you can't prove a negative. If you think you can, prove Santa doesn't exist. If you can do that, then I will try to prove god doesn't exist.

Easy, the north pole is uninhabitable and it is impossible to carry as many presents all over the world in 1 sleigh in 1 night.

[Zarakly]

Give me sources to all that bullshit

hahaha alright give me a few minutes then.

[Inventor2]

Have fun with this (http://godisimaginary.com/)

All of this is irellivent. simply another website some computer looser put up

[Professional Russian]

All of this is irellivent. simply another website some computer looser put up

It shows why god is fake. give me a better source to him being real. i want links and facts not the: "because millions of people follow it" answer

[Gigablue]

But your just assuming about 1 religion. You dont understand it is not the 1 religion believing in God. It is many. More than atheist. Milllions upon Millions of people all seem to have this same idea. The books are all almost the same and teach pretty much the same thing. Many people have said that the whole world flooding would be impossible. Then whats the big worry with global warming? its not like its not going to FLOOD ANYWHERE? Hmm whats that? Oh yea IT WILL. There IS enough water on Earth to flood it. A lot of it is just frozen. Another thing, there has been a wooden structure that is really old found ontop of a mountain in turkey. The ark maybe? There has been chariot pieces found underneath the red sea. There was a box of bones found recently that had the name Jonah on it. It also had pictures of a man sitting inside of a fish. Jonah and the whale. The Big bang theory, if you look at a age chart of the universe you will see it was dark and then suddenly there was light. Why does man have 1 less rib then women? I cant think of anything else right now, but there is more stuff just like that.

Google the argument from popularity. It's a common logical fallacy and the one you are currently committing. People believing something doesn't make it true.

There isn't enough water on earth to flood the whole planet. I couldn't cover everything is just forty days. You couldn't fit all the wildlife on earth is a boat, let alone all their food and enough free space for all op them. So someone found wood on a mountain. That doesn't prove god exists. A box of bones and a few pictures isn't proof either. I assume the comment about the big bang is a reference to genesis, but that ignores the nature of the big bang. There was nothing before the big bang, space and time didn't exist. Also, man and women both have 24 ribs.

Do you have any good evidence?

Easy, the north pole is uninhabitable and it is impossible to carry as many presents all over the world in 1 sleigh in 1 night.

Santa lives at the north pole. Just because you can't see him doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

He has a very big sleigh and can fit all the presents.

He is omnipotent and can bend time and space to be able to get to every house. Santa can do anything, you just have to believe in him.

[Inventor2]

It shows why god is fake. give me a better source to him being real. i want links and facts not the: "because millions of people follow it" answer

I dont need to because the other kid is, and as far as im concerned until you give me something that actualy makes sense, i shouldnt have to give you "sources"

[Professional Russian]

I dont need to because the other kid is, and as far as im concerned until you give me something that actualy makes sense, i shouldnt have to give you "sources"

you cant prove anything with out sources.i have given my source

[Inventor2]

A box of bones is more proof then a shity website LOL

[Professional Russian]

A box of bones is more proof then a shity website LOL

THen give me a box of bones and a DNA sample from "The Messiah" for analysis

[Inventor2]

Theres my fuckin source, happy know? Me and my box of bones

Like im gunna go across the world to proove something i allready believe is true. And why on earth would i do it to proove YOU wrong

Please don't double post. I have merged your two posts. -Gigablue

[Professional Russian]

Theres my fuckin source, happy know? Me and my box of bones

i do not have your box of bones. i do not see a box of bones and there is no DNA because your "Messiah" never existed

[Zarakly]

1. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/20/ancient-bone-box-called-oldest-christian-artifact/
2. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/media/060915/060915_320.jpg&imgrefurl=http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/media/060915/index.html&h=228&w=320&sz=20&tbnid=tsrg0b4goetI0M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=126&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtimeline%2Bof%2Bthe%2Buniverse%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=timeline+of+the+universe&usg=__-Fr-uxGTBb9fifym-ggZH-WgT0o=&docid=2s6fNipi87adLM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=d_RUUJDRCeHd0QHWiYHoBw&ved=0CCMQ9QEwAQ&dur=4134
3. http://www.messianic-literary.com/chariots.htm
4.http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

Theres some evidence

[Inventor2]

"my" messiah. Im not jewish (as far as i currently know the jews believed in a messiah and christianity formed after that)

[Professional Russian]

1. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/20/ancient-bone-box-called-oldest-christian-artifact/
2. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/media/060915/060915_320.jpg&imgrefurl=http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/media/060915/index.html&h=228&w=320&sz=20&tbnid=tsrg0b4goetI0M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=126&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtimeline%2Bof%2Bthe%2Buniverse%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=timeline+of+the+universe&usg=__-Fr-uxGTBb9fifym-ggZH-WgT0o=&docid=2s6fNipi87adLM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=d_RUUJDRCeHd0QHWiYHoBw&ved=0CCMQ9QEwAQ&dur=4134
3. http://www.messianic-literary.com/chariots.htm
4.http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

Theres some evidence

those dont prove shit because the ark thing as already been disproved in another thread im not going to the time to find it. i dont knwo what the fuck the middle 2 are. and the first one is just a random name found on something in a tomb. none of it proves god

[Inventor2]

Lol kinda like your random bullshit website

[Zarakly]

Santa lives at the north pole. Just because you can't see him doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
He has a very big sleigh and can fit all the presents.
He is omnipotent and can bend time and space to be able to get to every house. Santa can do anything, you just have to believe in him.

God lives in Heaven.Just because you can't see him doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
Noah had a very big boat and can fit all the animals.
He is omnipotent and can bend time and space to be able to get to every house and person. God can do anything, you just have to believe in him.

Look at that. I can do the same thing!

[Professional Russian]

Lol kinda like your random bullshit website

the bible is a contradiction. someone on here did a big thing about it but i cant remember who i think it was Iron Man


God lives in Heaven.Just because you can't see him doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
Noah had a very big boat and can fit all the animals.
He is omnipotent and can bend time and space to be able to get to every house and person. God can do anything, you just have to believe in him.

Look at that. I can do the same thing!


If could do anything and he loved us all why d we have war? why do we have people on the streets with no money? If god was real he would help these people but he doesnt. i do believe it says somewhere in the bible that god loves everyone but that obviously isnt true

[Zarakly]

those dont prove shit because the ark thing as already been disproved in another thread im not going to the time to find it. i dont knwo what the fuck the middle 2 are. and the first one is just a random name found on something in a tomb. none of it proves god

haha so I gave you evidence now and you STILL dont accept it. You disown it and dont even read haha. I think Im done with this thread. Point proven I win ahhaha

[Professional Russian]

haha so I gave you evidence now and you STILL dont accept it. You disown it and dont even read haha. I think Im done with this thread. Point proven I win ahhaha

How do you win? that proves the there was a shit., i saw 2 pictures and something about a tomb. where does it prove god?

[Gigablue]

God lives in Heaven.Just because you can't see him doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
Noah had a very big boat and can fit all the animals.
He is omnipotent and can bend time and space to be able to get to every house and person. God can do anything, you just have to believe in him.

Look at that. I can do the same thing!

That's exactly my point! You can't disprove Santa. I have no evidence for his existence, but you can't disprove it. The same goes for god. I can't prove he doesn't exist but you can't prove he exists. Therefore god is on par with Santa.

[Zarakly]

How do you win? that proves the there was a shit., i saw 2 pictures and something about a tomb. where does it prove god?

hahaha you cant read I take it? YOU asked for evidence. I GAVE it to you. You decided to act like a little child and only look at pictures fine by me. It just proves your to arrogant to read my evidence which results in my win.

That's exactly my point! You can't disprove Santa. I have no evidence for his existence, but you can't disprove it. The same goes for god. I can't prove he doesn't exist but you can't prove he exists. Therefore god is on par with Santa.

Or God is Santa...

Please don't double post. Use the edit button instead. I have merged your two posts. -Gigablue

[Professional Russian]

hahaha you cant read I take it? YOU asked for evidence. I GAVE it to you. You decided to act like a little child and only look at pictures fine by me. It just proves your to arrogant to read my evidence which results in my win.

Fucking show me how it proves god exists you are thelttle child here believeing a bunch of bullshit that made up to make the world feel. if you cant see through your just fucking stupid

[Zarakly]

Fucking show me how it proves god exists you are thelttle child here believeing a bunch of bullshit that made up to make the world feel. if you cant see through your just fucking stupid

I HAVE GIVEN YOU MY EVIDENCE AND YOU CONTINUE TO IGNORE IT WTF? hahaha YOU are the little child right now....

[Inventor2]

Lol i saw 50 links you gave me that didnt make anysense. So how does this proove god DOESNT exist? I find it absolutly amazing how ignorant and stupid some people are. You believe your own bull shit but when someone else pulls something of stronger evidence you dismiss it

[Professional Russian]

I HAVE GIVEN YOU MY EVIDENCE AND YOU CONTINUE TO IGNORE IT WTF? hahaha YOU are the little child right now....

There is no evidence proving god. it proves that there were people on the earth that believed in a god but it doesnt prove theres a mother fucking god.

[Gigablue]

Fucking show me how it proves god exists you are thelttle child here believeing a bunch of bullshit that made up to make the world feel. if you cant see through your just fucking stupid

I HAVE GIVEN YOU MY EVIDENCE AND YOU CONTINUE TO IGNORE IT WTF? hahaha YOU are the little child right now....

This forum is meant for debate. There is nothing wrong with disagreement, but please be civilized. There is no reason for insults.

[Zarakly]

There is no evidence proving god. it proves that there were people on the earth that believed in a god but it doesnt prove theres a mother fucking god.

What. The. Fuck. It proves the Bible is real. It shows you there was darkness and then there was light. Which is the creation of the universe by God. Whatever I'm done. You don't want to read. You continue to insult and wont accept evidence. I'm tired of "beating a dead horse"

[Professional Russian]

What. The. Fuck. It proves the Bible is real. It shows you there was darkness and then there was light. Which is the creation of the universe by God. Whatever I'm done. You don't want to read. You continue to insult and wont accept evidence. I'm tired of "beating a dead horse"

The Bible is a contradiction. im gonna go find the member that wrote the contradiction thing.

WAIT A MINUTE HERE! YOU, YOU are yelling at me?!?! HE has insulted me more than I have him and you continue to YELL AT ME?!?! WTF. I suppose its because your on his side huh?

no its because he didnt see it. i insult everyone on this place. ive insult staff member newbies you name it ive insulted them.

[Zarakly]

This place is just corrupt lol. Unfair arguments because the mods are atheists. I'm staying out of RotW, tired of this. See you around maybe.

[Inventor2]

WAIT A MINUTE HERE! YOU, YOU are yelling at me?!?! HE has insulted me more than I have him and you continue to YELL AT ME?!?! WTF. I suppose its because your on his side huh?

I do believe you SHOULDNT have bean yelled at. Iff you look at Pro. russians history he has a reputation for getting angry and immature for no reason

I agree lol im done here. Shits going nowhere

Please don't double post, use the "Edit" button instead. ~TheMatrix

[Professional Russian]

This place is just corrupt lol. Unfair arguments because the mods are atheists. I'm staying out of RotW, tired of this. See you around maybe.

Its not unfair. its called pick aside and most people blieve what side they're on. i except facts but i do not except "facts"

I do believe you SHOULDNT have bean yelled at. Iff you look at Pro. russians history he has a reputation for getting angry and immature for no reason

that is true hehehehe

[Scarface]

no its because he didnt see it. i insult everyone on this place. ive insult staff member newbies you name it ive insulted them.
You need to calm the fuck down. You think its cool to insult people knowing you won't get away with it? You need to pump your breaks and let people that aint seeing things you way have their thoughts to themselves instead of starting some obnoxious shit storm.


This place is just corrupt lol. Unfair arguments because the mods are atheists. I'm staying out of RotW, tired of this. See you around maybe.

I dont give a fuck if you're athiest, catholic, christian, it doesn't even matter dude, if you make some whack argument, people are gonna tear you down. However some people here feel it necessary to lower themselves by making snarky comments. I highly suggest you consider not partaking in that bullshit. ROTW is a tough place to be with people being stone cold with their beliefs. Christianity is not an easy pill for some people to swallow and you're going to have to accept that.

If anymore bullshit starts after this post, not only will the thread be locked, but I will be handing out infractions.

[Jess]

God lives in Heaven.Just because you can't see him doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

proof of a Heaven?

Noah had a very big boat and can fit all the animals.

I just had to laugh at this.


He is omnipotent and can bend time and space to be able to get to every house and person. God can do anything, you just have to believe in him.

Look at that. I can do the same thing!

Okay, I'm asking you to do this: Please tell him to appear to you if he's able to get to every house and person (and can do anything).


-- note: I hope I don't come off as offensive, so sorry if I did. I just want real proof, that's all.

[Inventor2]

You need to calm the fuck down. You think its cool to insult people knowing you won't get away with it? You need to pump your breaks and let people that aint seeing things you way have their thoughts to themselves instead of starting some obnoxious shit storm.




I dont give a fuck if you're athiest, catholic, christian, it doesn't even matter dude, if you make some whack argument, people are gonna tear you down. However some people here feel it necessary to lower themselves by making snarky comments. I highly suggest you consider not partaking in that bullshit. ROTW is a tough place to be with people being stone cold with their beliefs. Christianity is not an easy pill for some people to swallow and you're going to have to accept that.

If anymore bullshit starts after this post, not only will the thread be locked, but I will be handing out infractions.

Woah dude

[Jess]

1. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/20/ancient-bone-box-called-oldest-christian-artifact/
2. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/media/060915/060915_320.jpg&imgrefurl=http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/media/060915/index.html&h=228&w=320&sz=20&tbnid=tsrg0b4goetI0M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=126&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtimeline%2Bof%2Bthe%2Buniverse%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=timeline+of+the+universe&usg=__-Fr-uxGTBb9fifym-ggZH-WgT0o=&docid=2s6fNipi87adLM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=d_RUUJDRCeHd0QHWiYHoBw&ved=0CCMQ9QEwAQ&dur=4134
3. http://www.messianic-literary.com/chariots.htm
4.http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

Theres some evidence

no offense but I really don't see how that proves a god exists. maybe some parts in the Bible have some basis in fact, but otherwise most of it is fiction and can't just happen :/ and please don't tell me "God caused these inexplainable things to happen; we can't explain what he did. He's all powerful and can do anything"...that's not a very good reason

Have fun with this (http://godisimaginary.com/)

I remember stumbling upon that site. bookmarked it too

[Professional Russian]

I remember stumbling upon that site. bookmarked it too

Is It Legit?

[Jess]

I don't know, I just agree with the points made. Ex. "Ask Jesus to appear"

[Professional Russian]

I don't know, I just agree with the points made. Ex. "Ask Jesus to appear"

thats what i said. they didnt want to believe it

[Jess]

Why does man have 1 less rib then women? I cant think of anything else right now, but there is more stuff just like that.

Where in the world did you learn that men have one less rib than women?

[Zarakly]

I don't know, I just agree with the points made. Ex. "Ask Jesus to appear"

I'm not trying to start a debate anymore or even a fight like how it was, but asking Jesus to appear would be like you guys asking Sun Tzu, Michael Jackson, or even Elvis Presley, appear. They are dead and have been for awhile. I'm sorry just wanted to say that. Now this is the last post I will be making in ROTW for I don't really feel like having an infraction or something else.

Where in the world did you learn that men have one less rib than women?

Wait what I posted is wrong, THIS is the last post I will make. But I was wrong. I was told that and had believed it for many years just because with my ribs, it does feel as though I have one less rib one my left side and 1 more on my right. That is a wrong fact I had and I apologize. Some of the stuff I had posted were wrong...

Please use "Multi-quote" or the edit button instead of double posting. ~Bath

[StoppingTime]

Woah dude

What he said is absolutely correct. Regardless of whether you're religious or not, if you make an argument that has no sense behind it, you'll be called on it. People don't just change their beliefs based on a post on an internet forum. So, instead of screaming about how you're right, and everyone else is wrong, or vice versa, think about this.

To most people, God can be neither proven nor disproven. There is no solid evidence you can give most people and expect them to say, yes/no there is/is not a God.
Which is why religious arguments are basically pointless. Nobody ever wins. It goes in an infinite loop. The religious people (the hardcore ones, at least), never budge on their beliefs. The atheists/non religious generally don't either, and it always turns into a fighting match, like this already has.

[deadpie]

So what do you guys think. To me, I see a world of peace and harmony. No wars. No hatred. No ignorance. A perfect world.

World without religion would be kind of dumb, in my opinion. Sure, a lot of religious text can be crazy, wars are started over extremists, ignorance hatred bla bla, but I'm more interested in talking about the thought of religion. This is the thought that a human being thinks about the possibility something greater than him might exist, aka a higher power.

It's an abstract thought. I like an abstract and crazy strange confusing world. Even if religion is complete bullshit, it's interesting and thoughtful. A world without religion from the beginning of human time would just say humans don't think much out of the box. Well, maybe not organized religion, but higher power or afterlife more-so.

Actually, religion is more logical because

It literally doesn't matter what you say after the word "because", simply because you have no evidence to really prove it's more logical for a God to exist just because humans have had the thought for a while. If man thought flying spaghetti monster existed from dawn of humanity and it branched out into larger things, it would seem ridiculous to you, right? Well, you can't really use what you say as proof then, because many people consider the basic thoughts of a higher power or the higher powers that are worshiped as evil, wrong, pointless, useless, confusing, and impossible to rely on. Etc too. Heh.

two fox news links

Theres some evidence

Sorry, but I have to lol whenever someone uses Fox News website links as their evidence of proving that God exists, more specifically Christianity (also meaning no other) is true.

[FreeFall]

Hm. Atheism, it's not a religion, and not all of us are arrogant and ready to jam our ideals down your throat. Slightly offended by that since I've just returned from a church, supporting my parents singing in the church choir, and had to reject one too many advances of shoving the freaking bible down my throat. There's a reason some religions have a bad name for those that don't believe it. It's the fanatics and extremists, they ruin the party for everyone. Anyways, the thread's derailed from its original perspective into a religion war.

Ironically if there were no religions all of that debate would never have existed. There'd be no atheists since no one's claiming there's a god, I don't even know what to call it since there's no religion to believe in the term can't be agnostic or atheist can it? I mean no one's come up with the idea of a god, so there's no acceptance or anything to dispute. Still think there'd be slightly less fighting and hatred and ignorance though. probably a 2- 8% decrease at best? Realistically I don't think there's ever going to be a world without religion. The early civilized people had something to believe in, I feel like someone would eventually pick up a twig and decide they'll give thanks to the stick god or something.

[TheBigUnit]

U kno a world with just christianity will still have a lot of holy wars
Some ppl will deem themselve the right chrisitian
A world with no religon would be worse, religon kept our anscetors at bay like an early law, they stopped MOST from killing each other and seducing any woman girl and animal in sight,

[Gaybaby94]

U kno a world with just christianity will still have a lot of holy wars
Some ppl will deem themselve the right chrisitian
A world with no religon would be worse, religon kept our anscetors at bay like an early law, they stopped MOST from killing each other and seducing any woman girl and animal in sight,

No religion =\= No morality

[Gigablue]

U kno a world with just christianity will still have a lot of holy wars
Some ppl will deem themselve the right chrisitian
A world with no religon would be worse, religon kept our anscetors at bay like an early law, they stopped MOST from killing each other and seducing any woman girl and animal in sight,

Religion might have been useful to control people in early society, but isn't necessary anymore. Without religion, do you think people would go around killing each other? People would still be good without religion.

[Jackerlus]

U kno a world with just christianity will still have a lot of holy wars
Some ppl will deem themselve the right chrisitian
A world with no religon would be worse, religon kept our anscetors at bay like an early law, they stopped MOST from killing each other and seducing any woman girl and animal in sight,

But what you are saying there is that religion gives people morality. People in medieval times had no choice but to believe in the belief enforced by their monarch/leader therefore they had to practice it. Religion bases its rules and ideals on morality. It did not create it.

[FreeFall]

Religion bases its rules and ideals on morality. It did not create it.
this needs to be set in stone and gold.

A person without religion isn't some immoral heathen set to destroy the world. You can have religion and be that immoral heathen, a sheep in wolf's clothing.
So no, the world would not explode if it were to be restarted and religion had never existed.

[Gordo]

OP, don't worry, you're right there with God. He isn't a fan of religion either. No joke.

The most religious people, the Pharisees, people who you would have thought would like Jesus, didn't like Jesus and the people who you'd think wouldn't like Jesus, the sinners, prostitutes and tax collectors, liked Jesus.

The Pharisees had two main jobs. Understand the bible and be able to identify the Christ when he arrives. Well, the Pharisees blew it on both of those. They were the biblical experts of that time and they took the old testament and added over 600 rules to the 10 commandments and then they’d use their own added rules as loopholes to get around the parts of the old testament that they didn’t want to follow. So when they heard of a this Jesus guy had been performing miracles for a few years, they requested his presence to see if he was the Christ. They decided, nope, not him and turned him over to the authorities that would eventually kill him in the most painful way possible.

These religious people, were so wrong and angered Jesus so much, that he angrily said, "You hypocrites!" when attempting to explain scripture to them. That whole series of events, in the realm of Christianity, does a great job of identifying what Jesus thought about religion. Not a fan.

Some guy said, "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable”.

Isn’t it annoying that there are so many hypocritical, angry, judgmental Christians? If you think about it, what does it mean to be a Christian? Is it even defined? Not really. That’s why there are wars with people on both sides claiming to be Christians because it doesn’t really mean anything because it wasn’t defined. The word Christian is mentioned only three times in the bible and that term, back then, was typically used as slander, not a compliment.

So if you’re anti-religion, you’re probably on the right track. Right? The way you feel about us Christians is because we’ve messed it up and mistreated you. Isn’t that what annoys you about Christains?

More than likely, those of you without faith have been mistreated by Christians. How we treat others has a bigger impact on you than anything else. Following rules isn’t the answer, yet so many attempt it because they know of no other way and that’s probably because where they go for spiritual guidance and knowledge are delivering the wrong message and give them a bunch of rules to follow. Then, because that’s all they know, that’s what they do.

They see who is breaking what rule and shoving it in their face while they themselves are just as bad or worse because they’re running around pointing fingers at other people when they should just shut their yap on what other people are doing and work on their own issues. But, that’s not as satisfying as pointing out the flaws of others. Particularly when rule-following religious behavior is all you know.

If you’re ever up against a Christian who is quoting the bible and using it as a weapon, just ignore them. They are fools. If you don’t want to ignore them, feel free to tell them they are fools and they’re ignorant about their own basis of faith – Jesus Christ, and until they understand what he said about the subject they really shouldn’t be sharing their opinion.

If you’re a non-believer and do that, you’re actually closer to understanding their faith and Jesus than they are. Which is actually just a little bit awesome imo.

[Gaybaby94]

OP, don't worry, you're right there with God. He isn't a fan of religion either. No joke.

The most religious people, the Pharisees, people who you would have thought would like Jesus, didn't like Jesus and the people who you'd think wouldn't like Jesus, the sinners, prostitutes and tax collectors, liked Jesus.

The Pharisees had two main jobs. Understand the bible and be able to identify the Christ when he arrives. Well, the Pharisees blew it on both of those. They were the biblical experts of that time and they took the old testament and added over 600 rules to the 10 commandments and then they’d use their own added rules as loopholes to get around the parts of the old testament that they didn’t want to follow. So when they heard of a this Jesus guy had been performing miracles for a few years, they requested his presence to see if he was the Christ. They decided, nope, not him and turned him over to the authorities that would eventually kill him in the most painful way possible.

These religious people, were so wrong and angered Jesus so much, that he angrily said, "You hypocrites!" when attempting to explain scripture to them. That whole series of events, in the realm of Christianity, does a great job of identifying what Jesus thought about religion. Not a fan.

Some guy said, "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable”.

Isn’t it annoying that there are so many hypocritical, angry, judgmental Christians? If you think about it, what does it mean to be a Christian? Is it even defined? Not really. That’s why there are wars with people on both sides claiming to be Christians because it doesn’t really mean anything because it wasn’t defined. The word Christian is mentioned only three times in the bible and that term, back then, was typically used as slander, not a compliment.

So if you’re anti-religion, you’re probably on the right track. Right? The way you feel about us Christians is because we’ve messed it up and mistreated you. Isn’t that what annoys you about Christains?

More than likely, those of you without faith have been mistreated by Christians. How we treat others has a bigger impact on you than anything else. Following rules isn’t the answer, yet so many attempt it because they know of no other way and that’s probably becauyse where they go for spiritual guidance and knowledge are delivering the wrong message and give them a bunch of rules to follow. Then, because that’s all they know, that’s what they do.

They see who is breaking what rule and shoving it in their face while they themselves are just as bad or worse because they’re running around pointing fingers at other people when they should just shut their yap on what other people are doing and work on their own issues. But, that’s not as satisfying as pointing out the flaws of others. Particularly when rule-following religious behavior is all you know.

If you’re ever up against a Christian who is quoting the bible and using it as a weapon, just ignore them. They are fools. If you don’t want to ignore them, feel free to tell them they are fools and they’re ignorant about their own basis of faith – Jesus Christ, and until they understand what he said about the subject they really shouldn’t be sharing their opinion.

If you’re a non-believer and do that, you’re actually closer to understanding their faith and Jesus than they are. Which is actually just a little bit awesome imo.

I'm fine without your god. Please stop forcing your religion on other people.

[havingfun]

A world without religion would be much worse. When you don't have any religion, then morality becomes relative. Sure you can say that murder and rape is wrong, but there will be people that say there is nothing wrong with that. Sounds outlandish, but totally possible. And instead of one or a couple of standards of morality you will have millions of standards, resulting in more conflict escalating dramatically after a few generations. Then what do you base your legal systen on?

Thank God we have religion!

[donk]

I guess I'm a pagan - its what my mum and Dad are... I can understand why when in Northern Ireland Catholics and Protestants have tit for tat rallies where only the kids get harmed by having buckets of urine or pepper thrown on them... then in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt and elsewhere Moslem and Jew fight over their beliefs. We seem to be the only ones who are not fighting. I think if you don't respect other people's religions how can you respect your own - what say you?:whoops:

[Gordo]

I'm fine without your god. Please stop forcing your religion on other people.

As my post says, I don't believe in religion, nor did Jesus. So I'd never force my religion on anyone.

You say your fine without my god. I never said you weren't fine. Of course your fine.

You started a tread titled "A world without religion". I think it would be great tbh.

[Gigablue]

A world without religion would be much worse. When you don't have any religion, then morality becomes relative. Sure you can say that murder and rape is wrong, but there will be people that say there is nothing wrong with that. Sounds outlandish, but totally possible. And instead of one or a couple of standards of morality you will have millions of standards, resulting in more conflict escalating dramatically after a few generations. Then what do you base your legal systen on?

Thank God we have religion!

You don't need religion for morals. Ask yourself this, why is murder wrong? Is it because it hurts another person? Or is it just that god doesn't like it? If the only reason you don't go around killing people is because a god tells you it's wrong, how can you consider yourself a good person.

Morality is relative, but most people agree on it most of the time. Things that hurt other people are bad. That is the single most important thing to consider. You don't need religion to be moral.

[Jess]

A world without religion would be much worse. When you don't have any religion, then morality becomes relative. Sure you can say that murder and rape is wrong, but there will be people that say there is nothing wrong with that. Sounds outlandish, but totally possible. And instead of one or a couple of standards of morality you will have millions of standards, resulting in more conflict escalating dramatically after a few generations. Then what do you base your legal systen on?

Thank God we have religion!

You don't need religion to have morals.

[FreeFall]

A world without religion would be much worse. When you don't have any religion, then morality becomes relative. Sure you can say that murder and rape is wrong, but there will be people that say there is nothing wrong with that. Sounds outlandish, but totally possible. And instead of one or a couple of standards of morality you will have millions of standards, resulting in more conflict escalating dramatically after a few generations. Then what do you base your legal systen on?

Thank God we have religion!
As said before, religion =/= morals. We're all very well aware that priests and pastors have become notorious for touching little boys. Where'd their morals go, those men of god? Rome had their gods, they had their religions, and yet rape is a motif. It's very frequent in their history, they had no problem with it either. They only punished the rape of good citizens, priestesses, and slaves because a raped slave was damaged property. In biblical times, when people hung out with Jesus and followed him, rape wasn't something serious in the sense of the victim. They were more concerned with having payment for the damaged woman of the house, especially if she was a virgin sometimes they let it go when it was a wife or mother because she had "nothing to lose" and the man of the house didn't care, if he did then action would be taken. Sometimes the rape victims were reprimanded! They were seen as having partaken in involuntary sexual pleasure, so shame on them for being raped. It wasn't until the 1970s that people finally began to see that rape was an actual serious crime and that they should probably help the victim. It wasn't until the 1990's that places actually began to take action against martial rape. When religion's older than that, what happened?

As for the legal system, there doesn't need to be a god for there to be punishment and justice. There needs to be intelligent people that are able to figure out what fits the crime, and what is a crime. Morals, values and intelligence.

[Zenos]

lets face it without religion thinsg would be worse many people who woudl otherwise probably end up killing people are raping girls or boys don't do so because they where taught it was wrong,and that tecahing probabaly started with someone with a religious background.

[PinkFloyd]

I think world peace would be great but it could have its down falls. By the way, wars could happen with out religion involved. Just look at the Cold War. There was no religion involved with that. (at least I don't think)

[Jess]

lets face it without religion thinsg would be worse many people who woudl otherwise probably end up killing people are raping girls or boys don't do so because they where taught it was wrong,and that tecahing probabaly started with someone with a religious background.

Again, religion does NOT equal morals.

It'll be obvious that killing and raping are wrong. You don't need religion to tell you that.

[chetbonare]

Just to comment on u saying that Catholic are Christian. From what the definition of Christian is Christ like so yea. From what the Bible says they aren't Christ like. Just thought I would throw that. Not saying they aren't believeing the Bible. Just said they aren't Christ like. More of Marylike.

[deadpie]

OP, don't worry, you're right there with God. He isn't a fan of religion either. No joke.

The most religious people, the Pharisees, people who you would have thought would like Jesus, didn't like Jesus and the people who you'd think wouldn't like Jesus, the sinners, prostitutes and tax collectors, liked Jesus.

The Pharisees had two main jobs. Understand the bible and be able to identify the Christ when he arrives. Well, the Pharisees blew it on both of those. They were the biblical experts of that time and they took the old testament and added over 600 rules to the 10 commandments and then they’d use their own added rules as loopholes to get around the parts of the old testament that they didn’t want to follow. So when they heard of a this Jesus guy had been performing miracles for a few years, they requested his presence to see if he was the Christ. They decided, nope, not him and turned him over to the authorities that would eventually kill him in the most painful way possible.

These religious people, were so wrong and angered Jesus so much, that he angrily said, "You hypocrites!" when attempting to explain scripture to them. That whole series of events, in the realm of Christianity, does a great job of identifying what Jesus thought about religion. Not a fan.

Some guy said, "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable”.

Isn’t it annoying that there are so many hypocritical, angry, judgmental Christians? If you think about it, what does it mean to be a Christian? Is it even defined? Not really. That’s why there are wars with people on both sides claiming to be Christians because it doesn’t really mean anything because it wasn’t defined. The word Christian is mentioned only three times in the bible and that term, back then, was typically used as slander, not a compliment.

So if you’re anti-religion, you’re probably on the right track. Right? The way you feel about us Christians is because we’ve messed it up and mistreated you. Isn’t that what annoys you about Christains?

More than likely, those of you without faith have been mistreated by Christians. How we treat others has a bigger impact on you than anything else. Following rules isn’t the answer, yet so many attempt it because they know of no other way and that’s probably because where they go for spiritual guidance and knowledge are delivering the wrong message and give them a bunch of rules to follow. Then, because that’s all they know, that’s what they do.

They see who is breaking what rule and shoving it in their face while they themselves are just as bad or worse because they’re running around pointing fingers at other people when they should just shut their yap on what other people are doing and work on their own issues. But, that’s not as satisfying as pointing out the flaws of others. Particularly when rule-following religious behavior is all you know.

If you’re ever up against a Christian who is quoting the bible and using it as a weapon, just ignore them. They are fools. If you don’t want to ignore them, feel free to tell them they are fools and they’re ignorant about their own basis of faith – Jesus Christ, and until they understand what he said about the subject they really shouldn’t be sharing their opinion.

If you’re a non-believer and do that, you’re actually closer to understanding their faith and Jesus than they are. Which is actually just a little bit awesome imo.

i'm taking it you're one of those guys that's like "oh yeah I really fucking hate all religions especially Christianity, but Jesus is a personal relationship; which is TOTALLY DIFFERENT" even though a 'relationship' with Jesus is pretty much a part of the Christian religion, hrrrmmmmmm. Also, if someone pulls out quotes from a religious book as a weapon how can you say they're a fool when you pretty much are one of those guys that only is for the part where Jesus is involved? Actually, some of the things Jesus says can be taken as offensive by some people.

And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father, But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. Matthew 8:21-22

Jesus pretty much saying to someone who lost their father to worry about that later and just worship him instead. Kind of a douchey move.

and of course the famous

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:34-36

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. Revelation 2:23

That last one was Jesus saying he will kill children. Cool guy!

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7

In fact, everyone on Earth will die because of Jesus. Fuck yeah misanthropy!

Let's play some nihilistic HNW to that.

EZJH6N9ZeHY

[havingfun]

All of you keep saying that religion does not equal morals. I KNOW THAT AND YOU ARE RIGHT. Read what I said: MORALITY BECOMES RELATIVE. Morals still exist, but everybody now will have their own definition of what is right and wrong. That is what it means. You would think that everybody is going to do everything right and not steal and kill others, but eventually there will come a time where people will start to justify things that we generally consider wrong. Don't think so? What do you think would happen if anarchy broke out?

[FreeFall]

No, morals are already relative.

Religion still doesn't mean crap when it comes to them. Got my mom the hardcore christian to find some passages about god on rape and she found Deuteronomy 20:10 line 14, 22:28 line 29, 22:23 line 24, there's more. She hates those passages. Stone the victim because she didn't scream for help loud enough. Hm. We already have religious people that see nothing wrong with rape or murder anyways. You don't need religion to have morals, that's what we're saying as well when we say it doesn't equal morals.
So I disagree with you adamantly on that point. You imply anyone without religions is a person without morals and can't tell right from wrong, just someone going to go willy nilly and destroy all in their wake and be a heathen that will doom us all. People use their minds and gut to determine right and wrong, that's how it is now and that's how it's going to stay.

So again, earth will not be a moraless world thrown into turmoil because religion would have never existed.

[TheBigUnit]

Religion might have been useful to control people in early society, but isn't necessary anymore. Without religion, do you think people would go around killing each other? People would still be good without religion.

Yea I meant the BC times

[havingfun]

No, morals are already relative.

So I disagree with you adamantly on that point. You imply anyone without religions is a person without morals and can't tell right from wrong, just someone going to go willy nilly and destroy all in their wake and be a heathen that will doom us all. People use their minds and gut to determine right and wrong, that's how it is now and that's how it's going to stay.

So again, earth will not be a moraless world thrown into turmoil because religion would have never existed.

No you still don't get it. When moral become relative, it doesn't mean you don't have morals, it means that you follow your own definition of morals. And the definition will certainly differ from other peoples' definition and that is where the conflicts start to come in.

[duuli]

People would find something else to fight about. Let's just all take a moment to realize tat there was time that something as insignificant as the color of someone's skin meant that they didn't have an equal chance at anything.
Thats beyond dumb.

[Gigablue]

No you still don't get it. When moral become relative, it doesn't mean you don't have morals, it means that you follow your own definition of morals. And the definition will certainly differ from other peoples' definition and that is where the conflicts start to come in.

Doesn't everyone already follow their own definition of morals? The definition of morals already varies from person to person. Despite the differences in opinion, most people agree on most moral issues. Most people agree that things that harm others are bad. I don't think this is because of religion, but just because most people are mainly good.

[TheBigUnit]

Listen if it wasn't for religion there wouldve been a good chunk of people doing their innermost desire without a devil to scare them, religion was very useful in the BC era, a lot of laws are based off religon, yes since the middle ages religion gone bit too far, but really u have to admit that religon did play a part maybe not all but a part in our morality and you cannot deny tht whether or not u believe in a religion, aka somewhere in the Bible it says don't have sex with an animal, well maybe back then a lot of people were having sex with various animals as some freaks do even today, we learned not to have sex with animals now bc a) our moral and b) its written somewhere not to so it strenghtens our morals and now today there laws not to

Just like religion, tradition also sets our morals like how some muslim women are covered up head to toe, its not islam but arabic tradition, they feel like its the right thing bc their women aren't showing off their looks

[FreeFall]

No you still don't get it. When moral become relative, it doesn't mean you don't have morals, it means that you follow your own definition of morals. And the definition will certainly differ from other peoples' definition and that is where the conflicts start to come in.
No I get it. People already do that today. Morals are already relative today. The definition of right and wrong already differs from people to people. Luckily a vast majority can agree on what's right and wrong, religious and atheist/agnostic alike. So yea, religion's crap when it comes to having morals or not.
Frankly, I'm more worried people get their morals from their religion rather than being able to decide for themselves if something's right or wrong.

[Abnormal]

Simply put: a world without religion would be a disaster. No matter how flawed I find religion to be, I cannot sit here and tell you that it does not matter. Religion has helped humanity tremendously, forming the questions about existence that would soon go on to form science. So, in reality, religion helped bring about the existence of science. Without religion, we wouldn't know what we know today.

Religion has also helped in creating government systems. Rules that we all know and live by and follow to the best of our abilities, thus forming society itself in a sense. So religion is basically the basis of the world today. Without religion, humanity would've gotten nowhere and to not be able to realize that is just saddening to me. But then again, that's why I'm telling you all this now.

There will always be wars, hatred, ignorance. Not just over religion. But over land, power, money, you name it, it has been a topic of war. I am not religious by any means, but I refuse to not realize that religion has been a very important part of society since the beginning of time itself and has helped humanity as a whole grow tremendously. That is all

[Matt_2012]

ahh this is a endless debate! we wont know till we die...

[Heavyrain4life]

if there was a world without religion, people would find other reasons to fight.

Thats actually true. Sadly.

[SmexiLexie510]

A world without religion...

would be a better place for some and not for others in my opinion. I think of everything going on in other countries to do with wars surrounding religion.. but i am aware that it has saved some people in the past- the belief- and will continue to do so

No you still don't get it. When moral become relative, it doesn't mean you don't have morals, it means that you follow your own definition of morals. And the definition will certainly differ from other peoples' definition and that is where the conflicts start to come in.

But people interpret the rules set out for us by religion, in different ways, so even religion becomes relative at times

Please don't double post. Use the edit button instead. -Gigablue

[randomnessqueen]

religion does not cause war
people who claim a religion and then go against it cause war
they dont fight for god, they fight for their personal desires
religion, properly followed, causes peace
if they didnt have religion they would find a different reason to fight
a world without religion would be a sad and destructive world

[Magical]

Atheism is a form of religion even if atheists doesn't like to admit that. - And importantly, atheists have done terrible, terrible things.

I see this. Everywhere.

The lack of a religion is a religion!

NOT SOMETHING = SOMETHING

Let's convers this to maths.

-x = x

$-10 = $10

$10 in debt = $10 in cash

America would be much richer that it is now if that worked!

[Haufen]

Amid the violence in the Middle East, I got to thinking about what it would be like if religion never existed in the first place ( a dream come true for me).

So what do you guys think. To me, I see a world of peace and harmony. No wars. No hatred. No ignorance. A perfect world.


Are you implying that only religions cause war?
Most wars aren't religious but political in nature.

[LatinaVivit]

Just to comment on u saying that Catholic are Christian. From what the definition of Christian is Christ like so yea. From what the Bible says they aren't Christ like. Just thought I would throw that. Not saying they aren't believeing the Bible. Just said they aren't Christ like. More of Marylike.

Catholicism was the original Christian religion...all the other denominations stem from it. So what you said is incorrect.

[ArsenicCatNip]

It did what it intended. Set grounds for morals so we wouldn't kill and steal from one another and be kind to others. I think people are doing it wrong when they don't see it as more of a philosophy, and a way of life than just an afterlife.

[Zenos]

Catholicism was the original Christian religion...all the other denominations stem from it. So what you said is incorrect.

Ding ding ding actually Catholicism was one of MANY groups that where christians back in the day,Catholicism is the one that won out and because the sole version of the Christian Church in Europe for a very one time.

It did what it intended. Set grounds for morals so we wouldn't kill and steal from one another and be kind to others. I think people are doing it wrong when they don't see it as more of a philosophy, and a way of life than just an afterlife.



Horse pucky look at Celtic mythos or even the Norse Sagas they where used to transmit what was Correct and incorrect actions in life.


Buddhism teaches moral living as well,but in a diffrent way: The Buddhist view is that moral behavior flows naturally from mastering one's ego and desires and cultivating loving kindness (metta) and compassion (karuna).

Hinduism has it's on teeachings on morality.

Or what about Zoroastrianism which also had a big influence on Christianity.


Too many people think moral living starts as ends with Christianity.

Please don't double post. Edit your previous post instead. -Gigablue

[ArsenicCatNip]

Horse pucky look at Celtic mythos or even the Norse Sagas they where used to transmit what was Correct and incorrect actions in life.


Buddhism teaches moral living as well,but in a diffrent way: The Buddhist view is that moral behavior flows naturally from mastering one's ego and desires and cultivating loving kindness (metta) and compassion (karuna).

Hinduism has it's on teeachings on morality.

Or what about Zoroastrianism which also had a big influence on Christianity.


Too many people think moral living starts as ends with Christianity.

When did I ever bring up Christianity? :what:

[Zenos]

When did I ever bring up Christianity? :what:

Sorrry I was trying to read what you said and answer a nutbar of a freind of mine on line thats trying to push Christianity down my throat and got the two mixed up.:whoops::whoops::whoops:

[ArsenicCatNip]

Sorrry I was trying to read what you said and answer a nutbar of a freind of mine on line thats trying to push Christianity down my throat and got the two mixed up.:whoops::whoops::whoops:

Haha, it's no big deal.:cool:

Basically I meant all forms of religion should be taught more as a philosophy and way of life.

[PurpleReign]

IMO, the world would be a better place without religion. The death toll throughout world history due to religion, if that could ever be calculated, has to be an unbelievably staggering number.

I think Seth MacFarlane got it right here: ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwBPsB0oaE

edit: Just realized I have Jesus in my avatar, LOL. It's OK though, that's Cool Jesus. I'd be fine with religion as long as the prophet was Cool Jesus.

[Zenos]

IMO, the world would be a better place without religion. The death toll throughout world history due to religion, if that could ever be calculated, has to be an unbelievably staggering number.

I think Seth MacFarlane got it right here: ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmwBPsB0oaE

edit: Just realized I have Jesus in my avatar, LOL. It's OK though, that's Cool Jesus. I'd be fine with religion as long as the prophet was Cool Jesus.

Don't lump it all off on Religion.

I see this. Everywhere.

The lack of a religion is a religion!

NOT SOMETHING = SOMETHING

Let's convers this to maths.

-x = x

$-10 = $10

$10 in debt = $10 in cash

America would be much richer that it is now if that worked!



The lack of a religion is a religion!

NOT SOMETHING = SOMETHING




What are you insane?


If i have nothing,then how am I gonna have something?

Thats like if someone robbed me of all my clothes even the ones i'm wearing,i'd have no clothes!

Please don't double post. Edit your previous post instead. -Gigablue

[LatinaVivit]

Ding ding ding actually Catholicism was one of MANY groups that where christians back in the day,Catholicism is the one that won out and because the sole version of the Christian Church in Europe for a very one time.

Except not really. The Catholic Church has an apostolic lineage of popes that date back to Peter, the 'head' apostle of Jesus. When Jesus gave him the authority of the Keys to Heaven, he created the Catholic Church. Everything else has stemmed from that.

[Zenos]

Except not really. The Catholic Church has an apostolic lineage of popes that date back to Peter, the 'head' apostle of Jesus. When Jesus gave him the authority of the Keys to Heaven, he created the Catholic Church. Everything else has stemmed from that.

The Catholic's CLIAM lineage from Peter but that's a claim!

[Jess]

Don't lump it all off on Religion.





The lack of a religion is a religion!

NOT SOMETHING = SOMETHING




What are you insane?


If i have nothing,then how am I gonna have something?

Thats like if someone robbed me of all my clothes even the ones i'm wearing,i'd have no clothes!

Please don't double post. Edit your previous post instead. -Gigablue

he's not saying it works. he's comparing them to saying a lack of a religion is a religion (atheism is a religion), which is not true.

[LatinaVivit]

The Catholic's CLIAM lineage from Peter but that's a claim!

**Claim; and it's not a claim, you can actually trace it all the way back. And if that's your only evidence, how about this: I can claim that the Holocaust happened, but, then again, according to your argument, that's just a claim. See how that works?

[XxfakexX]

Personally i think the world wouldn't survive without religion because it keep's a balance and gives people a way to run their life in a good way (no stealing, murder ect.), even though i don't believe in a god as such. But i also agree that Atheism is a religion, as a religion is only a belief, atheism is a belief in nothing. If that makes any sense :/
P.s. I'm not trying to offend anyone, just put my opinion forward.

[Jess]

Personally i think the world wouldn't survive without religion because it keep's a balance and gives people a way to run their life in a good way (no stealing, murder ect.), even though i don't believe in a god as such. But i also agree that Atheism is a religion, as a religion is only a belief, atheism is a belief in nothing. If that makes any sense :/
P.s. I'm not trying to offend anyone, just put my opinion forward.

Atheism is not a religion. To be a religion you have to believe in some higher power or whatever. Atheism doesn't believe in a higher power or deity.

Also, I think people can run their life in a good way without religion :)

[Daracon]

Atheism is not a religion, it's like saying not playing baseball is a sport.

re·li·gion/riˈlijən/
Noun:
The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
Details of belief as taught or discussed.

[LouBerry]

With out religion, there would be no moral standards. So murder, stealing, adultery, those things would be okay. Plus, religion gives people hope. Helps them get their lives on tract, changes lives. A world without religion would be a terrible.

[Daracon]

With out religion, there would be no moral standards. So murder, stealing, adultery, those things would be okay. Plus, religion gives people hope. Helps them get their lives on tract, changes lives. A world without religion would be a terrible.

People of faith do that anyway, Islamic Extremists, The Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, Priests molesting children etc. I do agree that it does give people hope and helps people through such things as recovering from alcohol or drugs, but you do not need a higher power to not go and kill somebody. If anything I think that no religion would unite the world a little bit more because the barrier in difference of religion would be down and we would not have to factor in religion in decision making.

[LouBerry]

Maybe so. But also, where would there be hope? You live, then you die. What would stop me, knowing that there is nothing waiting for me after this life, and nothing here for me now, from doing what I want. From killing someone who made me mad, or having sex because I feel like it. There would be no real reason for laws.

[Daracon]

Maybe so. But also, where would there be hope? You live, then you die. What would stop me, knowing that there is nothing waiting for me after this life, and nothing here for me now, from doing what I want. From killing someone who made me mad, or having sex because I feel like it. There would be no real reason for laws.

We get our morals from our environment, learned empathy, and from experiences throughout life. The golden rule is just common sense. I am an Atheist and I believe in sex after marriage, and I don't kill someone who makes me mad, humans aren't wild animals, we don't kill someone because we know it is wrong. Also if anything as an Atheist I value my life, and try to live my life to the fullest knowing I only have one and I have to make it count. Do you follow the bible when it says to stone your child if they disrespect you? No, that would be immoral, unless you are a psychopath, so obviously you would have to have gotten your morals from a different place.

[Jess]

With out religion, there would be no moral standards. So murder, stealing, adultery, those things would be okay. Plus, religion gives people hope. Helps them get their lives on tract, changes lives. A world without religion would be a terrible.

That is totally untrue. We don't need religion to have moral standards or to be good and avoid doing horrible things.

[Clawhammer]

Religion isn't the problem, people are. We're naturally aggressive and divisive, it's our nature. Some religions actually do a lot to work against that side of our nature. If you wanted to abolish violence and war and all that jazz, you'd have to abolish politics, wealth, our ability to become offended in general. All belief in something that can be contradicted. Ironically, your wish is just another divider, shifting the blame and making more division and hostility. (No personal offense meant, I'm just trying to make a point for peace with reason here...) We, as humans, disagree. It's not what we disagree about, or even the fact that we disagree, it's how we respond to disagreement. Violence is a personal choice that people make. It's never necessary until somebody chooses it and makes it necessary for everyone else.

[Gigablue]

Maybe so. But also, where would there be hope? You live, then you die. What would stop me, knowing that there is nothing waiting for me after this life, and nothing here for me now, from doing what I want. From killing someone who made me mad, or having sex because I feel like it. There would be no real reason for laws.

You could still have laws without religion. As long as you agree that other people are worthy of respect, you can make laws. I think almost everyone can agree that people deserve respect, and I don't think you need religion to come to that conclusion.

I don't think you need religion for hope. I find it much better to know that once you die, you're gone. It makes our short lives even more valuable. I also think that if you believe in god, you have to believe that everything happens for a reason. This means that even the most atrocious events happened for a good reason. It makes much more sense that they happened without reason or justification.