homophobia

[nice]

Im not gonna lie but for a while i was homophobic(don't go all getting pissed and shit at me I'm admitting a mistake) i thought that because of my religion they shouldn't have some rights. I think the only reason I changed my option is because a friend pointed out to me how it would be how other races didn't have rights and because I just started to figure out they are like most people. So my question to you is what are your thought on gay lesbians bi people. Do you feel they should have marriage rights and everything. What about them kissing and stuff in public or at church.

[Anima]

I believe all HUMANS should be able to marry. If st8 people can kiss in public why cant gay people...? And i assume u mean going to church, not kissing in church because usually people dont kiss in church unless theyre getting married lol. Yes theycan attend church.

[Nathan Numberless]

I love seeing lesbians kiss in public! I would even PAY them to do it! XD

[SuperSuraj]

I'm gay, so yeah I would like the right to marry and pretty much be treated like everyone else. I can respect other people opinions so I'm not really going to dive too much into your beliefs so yeah... to answer your question, yes, I do believe that I should have the right to be married and happy, as does everyone else.

[nice]

I think kissing in church in general is kinda trashy(unless being married) but some people frown upon the gay community more for it

If you guys wanna take shots at my beliefs honestly be my guest I want peoples opinion in how I used to think so go ahead

Please use the "edit" button instead of double posting. ~Bath

[Recjas]

Everyone should be treated equal no mater whether race, sex, or sexual orientation. We are all human, we are all the same. There are those who say its because of their religion that they don't approve of homosexuals. But those people pick and choose what is convenient for them. One of the stories in the bible condemning homosexually ends with incest. So that is why those who say its because of religious believes, should actually read each passage condemning homosexually and read the other things that the bible also condemns, that we still do anyways.

[nice]

Honestly I very rarely read the bible so the religion part just comes from what I've heard I guess

[DerBear]

Puberty for Boys :arrow: TWPR

[Carlyle]

I'll just quote Family Guy since it pretty much tells you my entire view on the whole gay marriage issue in the world right now.

"Why should two people who are straight and absolutely hate each other be able to marry but two people who love each other can't because they're gay?"

[Syvelocin]

My stance is kind of obvious. But now, I don't really care what the fuck other people think, let them be as nasty to me as they want, except the government, because I can't choose when I get married like straight couples can, only the government can do that. I have to wait for the old fucks in the government to die unless I want to move to someplace I hate just so I don't have to wait a decade or several. And that pisses me the fuck off that even if I was ready and willing to marry my girlfriend, I can't fucking do that and have it mean a damn thing to anyone. I have a medical condition that could get me thrown into the hospital any day and my girlfriend won't be able to see me or help financially. Then a little less than half the country wants the leader of the country to be someone who thinks I shouldn't be allowed to marry the person I love.

Just, when it's personal like that... I really don't understand the world right now.

In response to you, the bible doesn't say a lot about homosexuality, and NOTHING about gay marriage. I think all there really is, the one line that's like a man shouldn't lie with a man or something. I haven't read the bible either yet strangely I know a ton about it. Oh the irony.

But just think about how ludicrous it is to say "Oh, our religion is the right one, our God is the true God, and this bible is the rules all people in the universe should follow... so follow them." Who died and made you... ummm. Don't answer that.

[Danny_boi 16]

Totally fine with it.

[RoseyCadaver]

My stance is kind of obvious. But now, I don't really care what the fuck other people think, let them be as nasty to me as they want, except the government, because I can't choose when I get married like straight couples can, only the government can do that. I have to wait for the old fucks in the government to die unless I want to move to someplace I hate just so I don't have to wait a decade or several. And that pisses me the fuck off that even if I was ready and willing to marry my girlfriend, I can't fucking do that and have it mean a damn thing to anyone. I have a medical condition that could get me thrown into the hospital any day and my girlfriend won't be able to see me or help financially. Then a little less than half the country wants the leader of the country to be someone who thinks I shouldn't be allowed to marry the person I love.

Just, when it's personal like that... I really don't understand the world right now.

In response to you, the bible doesn't say a lot about homosexuality, and NOTHING about gay marriage. I think all there really is, the one line that's like a man shouldn't lie with a man or something. I haven't read the bible either yet strangely I know a ton about it. Oh the irony.

But just think about how ludicrous it is to say "Oh, our religion is the right one, our God is the true God, and this bible is the rules all people in the universe should follow... so follow them." Who died and made you... ummm. Don't answer that.

Same C:
Lol it took me some some time to get into my skin, and feel normal being who I was, and not being scared of being open, but once you're over it, it feels better and homophobes don't even matter.

Not to say they can't hurt you or put you in awkward situations, you just have to fight 'em off.

[Noxail]

Well, sense I myself am Bisexual, I have no problem with PDA between gay couples. And why shouldn't gay people have the right to marry whom they love? It doesn't make any sense :rolleyes: The world is fucked up as it is, without all the "OhMiGod! You're like, gay. And you're like, kissing! :rolleyes: Idiots. ~holli

[Mortal Coil]

Uh, I don't care what your sexual orientation is, you deserve to be treated equally to everyone else. I don't think that any couple kissing in church (except at a wedding) is socially acceptable, and gay couples are included, but no same-sex couple should feel afraid or ashamed to kiss in public.

[Donkey]

Obviously I do because I am gay and since I know that it's not a choice and I'm not religious, it occurs to be as simply blatant prejudice just as racism or sexism. My boyfriend and I are fairly public about our relationship - well, completely, if anyone asks they'll get a straight answer and it is on Facebook but there is also an amount of PDA there. If ya don't like it I can understand but you only have to look away. Just in the same way if you're racist it's best just to leave the situation. Anything beyond that is an issue for me.

[nice]

I bet your brain feels as good as new, seeing that you've never used it!
Think about how you would feel if you weren't allowed to be in love with the person you loved. Everyone is equal. We are all human.

I never said anything bad about it so why the nasty ass comment

[xXJust Jump ItXx]

Jesus loves everyone, even the gays and the jews

The topic is very varied on opinion from different people. But theres always a little part of me that says, "why not?".... Its not wrong if they were married and I can see how if you were gay and in that spot you would want to get married too, most people say no to it Im guessing because they are either afraid, religious, moral views or something like that. And Im agnostic and not to sure on it... But Jesus was a Jew actually so I dont see why Jews wouldnt be accepted in Christianity.

[Jess]

Yes they should have marriage rights. obvious reasons. why not?

as for kissing in public, straight people kiss, so LGBT people should be able to.

[PandaBear]

Yes, as a bisexual male, I believe I should have the human RIGHT to marry whoever I please. And if you tell me I can't, you're flat out discriminating.

[Ambrosia]

Hey so why don't we all stay nice and keep it that way?
If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Or else. *shakes her fist*

[Thepolice5291]

On The marriage Rights, Yes they should BUT not in a church and a priest should be able to say no i don't want to marry you, because originally marriage was defined between, A Man, A Women And God. But then again they can use a celebrant

[nice]

I don't wanna affend any1 but I don't think they should have marriage rights

[PandaBear]

I don't wanna affend any1 but I don't think they should have marriage rights

Please learn how to spell.

And would care to elaborate WHY you feel this way?

[nice]

Please learn how to spell.

And would care to elaborate WHY you feel this way?

Don't talk about my spelling please I know I can't spell so please don't point it out. And I feel this way because god made marriage for a man and woman and if gays and lesbians can do it some people feel that its not as special

[wild1]

Gay people should be able to legally do everything any citizen can do (aka Pursuit of happiness) as long as it doesn't truly hurt someone else. The social rules for showing affection in public should be the same for all no matter what you are.

[wild1]

I'd say this .... a marriage can be done in a church or in a civil marriage by a court/justice of the peace. The church one should be able to restrict who they marry as they please because its a religious thing. But God doesnt enter the deal with civil marriages. Its all just a legal contract under the law. Religious issues like no gay marriage shouldnt have a place with civil marriages. All citizens should be equal.

Don't talk about my spelling please I know I can't spell so please don't point it out. And I feel this way because god made marriage for a man and woman and if gays and lesbians can do it some people feel that its not as special

[nice]

The only thing I think any couple should do in public is hold hands really because not everyone wants to see two or three people or what ever your into kissing

[Iron Man]

http://rlv.zcache.com/homosexuality_is_found_in_400_species_poster-r159211db9dca434e9f0ecb38704d940d_wvk_210.jpg

There's your answer to all of this. You're welcome.

[nice]

image (http://rlv.zcache.com/homosexuality_is_found_in_400_species_poster-r159211db9dca434e9f0ecb38704d940d_wvk_210.jpg)

There's your answer to all of this. You're welcome.

I think your trying to say I'm homophobic but I don't think I am I just don't think they should be allowed to get married

[Iron Man]

I think your trying to say I'm homophobic but I don't think I am I just don't think they should be allowed to get married

Why? They are human also, aren't they?

[nice]

But god made marriage for a man and women not two guys or two girls

[Iron Man]

But god made marriage for a man and women not two guys or two girls

Ok, you are stating that same sex marriage is wrong, just because some ancient story book (that is rife with contradictions and is most likely made up) told you so?

[nice]

What prof do you have its made up. And I'm a very strong Christian and the fact that I'm accepting them now is a huge step compared to what I used to think not to long ago

[Iron Man]

What prof do you have its made up. And I'm a very strong Christian and the fact that I'm accepting them now is a huge step compared to what I used to think not to long ago

What proof do you have that it isn't?

Mine is:


Every prayer that I have made has gone unanswered
The Holocaust: Why would this God let that happen?
The Universe: We have discovered great marvels out there with the Hubble Telescope, but not one picture of a bearded guy on a cloud.

[nice]

What proof do you have that it isn't?

Mine is:


Every prayer that I have made has gone unanswered
The Holocaust: Why would this God let that happen?
The Universe: We have discovered great marvels out there with the Hubble Telescope, but not one picture of a bearded guy on a cloud.


You can't only pray when you need something. God doesn't give you anything he thinks you can't handle. The Holocaust was done by the anti christ hitler same with napolian and one more they try to defy god. And god only reveals himself when you die or have z near death experience I've heard we are on a physical level while god is on a spiritual level. You have to have faith as well prayer without faith is just pointless

[Iron Man]

You can't only pray when you need something. God doesn't give you anything he thinks you can't handle. The Holocaust was done by the anti christ hitler same with napolian and one more they try to defy god. And god only reveals himself when you die or have z near death experience I've heard we are on a physical level while god is on a spiritual level. You have to have faith as well prayer without faith is just pointless

I had faith once. Ask any atheist here; they had faith once, and guess what? No response to the guy upstairs.

[nice]

I had faith once. Ask any atheist here; they had faith once, and guess what? No response to the guy upstairs.

So you truley believed in god. You have to put in work to he won't do it by him self. You have to repent for sins go to church if possible and just try to be a good person

[Iron Man]

So you truley believed in god. You have to put in work to he won't do it by him self. You have to repent for sins go to church if possible and just try to be a good person

So, you are also saying that because I am an atheist, I am now the antichrist? I am the worst person imaginable, and I go around kicking dirt on people and stealing milk from children?

[nice]

No if I'm right nopilan wasn't atheist and he was an anti christ and there are Christians who are bad. But you should try to have something to believe in Buddha Zeus something to give you hope

[Iron Man]

No if I'm right nopilan wasn't atheist and he was an anti christ

Have factual evidence? That's like saying, "Santa Claus exists, I heard of him"

and there are Christians who are bad. But you should try to have something to believe in Buddha Zeus something to give you hope

I only believe in me. I don't need to rely on pipe dreams to solve my problems. I solve my problems.

[nice]

And how has relying on only yourself helped you so far?

[Iron Man]

And how has relying on only yourself helped you so far?

Self accountability. If I make a mistake, I acknowledge it. I learn from it. I don't say "oh, God will fix everything, so I'm allowed to be clueless".

[nice]

That's not what people do they take there mistakes into account and try to fix them and ask god for the strength and for help

[Iron Man]

That's not what people do they take there mistakes into account and try to fix them and ask god for the strength and for help

What about when they hear nothing? What do they do then? Just wait around for an answer when they could gain strength on their own?

[nice]

No you can't wait for results you go out try hard stay turn to your faith and just do what's right

[Iron Man]

No you can't wait for results you go out try hard stay turn to your faith and just do what's right

I already told you. I don't need faith to do whats right.

[nice]

Wow now ask which one of us is truley close minded

[Iron Man]

Wow now ask which one of us is truley close minded

I'm not the only atheist, you know.

[nice]

Ik a bunch of other atheist my best friend doesn't believe in god and she still at least accepts some things

[Iron Man]

Ik a bunch of other atheist my best friend doesn't believe in god and she still at least accepts some things

So, you just proved that Atheists aren't closed minded, devil worshipers? A breakthrough..

[nice]

That's not true I do know an atheist that worships the devil no joke

[PinkFloyd]

If two people love each other they should be able to get married!

[Iron Man]

That's not true I do know an atheist that worships the devil no joke

That is just stupid. If they worship the devil, then they aren't Atheists. Maybe you should look up the proper definition of Atheism.

[Sugaree]

What prof do you have its made up. And I'm a very strong Christian and the fact that I'm accepting them now is a huge step compared to what I used to think not to long ago

If you accept them, why do you not accept their human right to marry who they please? IF you fully accepted us, why do you not accept that we love like you love, that we feel like you feel, bleed like you bleed, breathe like you breathe? That's not acceptance at all.

What proof do you have that it isn't?

Mine is:


Every prayer that I have made has gone unanswered
The Holocaust: Why would this God let that happen?
The Universe: We have discovered great marvels out there with the Hubble Telescope, but not one picture of a bearded guy on a cloud.


1. The prayer 'proof' is stupid. Any atheist who uses that as a valid way to prove God doesn't exist isn't even worthy of being given attention. If anything, what you just said is a joke.

2. The Holocaust is a completely different subject, so it doesn't belong here. That can be debated as to who or what caused it to happen, but it's clear enough as to what caused it. God had nothing to do with it.

3. Now you're just pulling things out of your ass. Bearded guy on a cloud? Come on, you can be more creative than that. One of my former priests used to say he did not believe, specifically, in one whole being as God; rather, he saw God in his every day life in the actions of others. To me, this makes God not a higher being, but a force of good inside our own moral compass by which we steer ourselves. Of course, that's all symbolic and goes for nothing in the realm of physical evidence.

I had faith once. Ask any atheist here; they had faith once, and guess what? No response to the guy upstairs.

Another joke. Why do you try? This is the reason most people don't take atheists seriously, answers like this. You could have asked any atheist here what their story is as to why they became atheist. Instead you assumed we all tried praying and believing in a God and just didn't get an answer from Him or Her. So you try to take the reigns and be representative to all atheists on here. I think we can handle ourselves well enough individually, thank you very much.

That's not true I do know an atheist that worships the devil no joke

Permettez-moi, monsieur, to get my dictionary.

Atheist (a-the-ist)
Noun
One who believes that there is no deity/one who is without belief in a god(s)

What you have experienced is a Satanist.

[Human]

Well I'm atheist and I think you should be able to get married whoever you are. Or at least a civil partnership.

[nice]

[QUOTE=Dakota Sadento;1940852]If you accept them, why do you not accept their human right to marry who they please? IF you fully accepted us, why do you not accept that we love like you love, that we feel like you feel, bleed like you bleed, breathe like you breathe? That's not acceptance at all.

BC its wat I've been taught you can date have kids and all that shit but no marriage sorry its just a matter of what I've always known

[StoppingTime]

BC its wat I've been taught you can date have kids and all that shit but no marriage sorry its just a matter of what I've always known

Why does that make it logical? Because it's what you've been taught?

[nice]

Why does that make it logical? Because it's what you've been taught?

No I've been taught to not like gays and people like that at all. But I've talked to people and even supported them with their relationship which is something that most people with a background like mine can't even try to do. So I've not always stuck with what I thought but unless someone can really change my mind I stand by my opinion on marriage

[Zarakly]

Okay this will probably start a fight or something, but I think no, homophobics(?) shouldn't have the right to marry. As that is between 1 man and 1 women. HOWEVER I do think they should be able to be together, just call it something besides marriage. This isn't my own idea. This is actually what a gay couple my brother knows said. They think it should be called something else besides marriage, but still should be allowed. The more and more I see it, I'm getting more used to gay/lesbian/bisexual people. I at first thought it was disgusting, still sort of do(sorry) but not as much. Some of the stuff that makes me angry when I see them is, I'll give you and instance that is happening at my school, there is this girl and she is dating another girl. I find it alright now, but what makes me angry is that the girl she's dating looks like a boy. In fact they almost look like me. They are pretty big, short hair, and just idk. They only have more piercings and stuff. That really annoys me. please don't flame more or anything, I'm just expressing my views. I have a gay uncle. I like to sort of joke around about him and stuff, but seriously, it was never a problem..

[StoppingTime]

No I've been taught to not like gays and people like that at all. But I've talked to people and even supported them with their relationship which is something that most people with a background like mine can't even try to do. So I've not always stuck with what I thought but unless someone can really change my mind I stand by my opinion on marriage

So, because you made an "effort," and most people "like you" don't, thank makes it all ok?
I haven't seen a logical reason from you why they cannot marry other than, "because it's what I believe." Of course, you are allowed to have opinions, but if they are illogical, and block the rights of others, should that be allowed?

[nice]

Okay this will probably start a fight or something, but I think no, homophobics(?) shouldn't have the right to marry. As that is between 1 man and 1 women. HOWEVER I do think they should be able to be together, just call it something besides marriage. This isn't my own idea. This is actually what a gay couple my brother knows said. They think it should be called something else besides marriage, but still should be allowed. The more and more I see it, I'm getting more used to gay/lesbian/bisexual people. I at first thought it was disgusting, still sort of do(sorry) but not as much. Some of the stuff that makes me angry when I see them is, I'll give you and instance that is happening at my school, there is this girl and she is dating another girl. I find it alright now, but what makes me angry is that the girl she's dating looks like a boy. In fact they almost look like me. They are pretty big, short hair, and just idk. They only have more piercings and stuff. That really annoys me. please don't flame more or anything, I'm just expressing my views. I have a gay uncle. I like to sort of joke around about him and stuff, but seriously, it was never a problem..

I like your idea of it being called something else I'm ok with that and I think most people with strong religious ties would be ok with it too

So, because you made an "effort," and most people "like you" don't, thank makes it all ok?
I haven't seen a logical reason from you why they cannot marry other than, "because it's what I believe." Of course, you are allowed to have opinions, but if they are illogical, and block the rights of others, should that be allowed?

Read my other post

Please use "multi-quote" instead of double posting. ~Bath

[UnknownError]

I think that they should be allowed to get married. I also think the church should be allowed to deny them to get married in a church if that is what they want. Marriage doesn't have to be about religion.

[nice]

They can if they call it something but marriage

[Sugaree]

BC its wat I've been taught you can date have kids and all that shit but no marriage sorry its just a matter of what I've always known

Alright, I'll see what I can do here. I'm sure you believe that every human being deserves the right to happiness and also deserves the right to be who they really are, correct? I'm sure you also believe that marriage is a way in which human beings can attain happiness, right? So why do you believe a man and a woman can be married and experience the joys of marriage, but two men or two women can't? Don't tell me it was the way you were taught, because that's a cop-out.

If you can tell me why you are supportive of a man and a woman being married, and attaining their personal happiness, and not supportive of two people of the same sex ALSO attaining personal happiness through marriage, then I'll consider responding.

They can if they call it something but marriage

But then that keeps them from receiving many benefits and rights that marriage confers on people.

Tax Benefits

Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.

Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

Estate Planning Benefits

Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.

Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.

Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.

Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.

Government Benefits

Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.

Receiving public assistance benefits.

Employment Benefits

Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.

Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.

Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.

Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

Medical Benefits

Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.

Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

Death Benefits

Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.

Making burial or other final arrangements.

Family Benefits

Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.

Applying for joint foster care rights.

Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.

Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.
Housing Benefits

Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."

Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

Consumer Benefits

Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.

Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.

Other Legal Benefits and Protections

Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).

Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).

Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.

Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.

Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.

Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.

Source: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/marriage-rights-benefits-30190.html

[nice]

Alright, I'll see what I can do here. I'm sure you believe that every human being deserves the right to happiness and also deserves the right to be who they really are, correct? I'm sure you also believe that marriage is a way in which human beings can attain happiness, right? So why do you believe a man and a woman can be married and experience the joys of marriage, but two men or two women can't? Don't tell me it was the way you were taught, because that's a cop-out.

If you can tell me why you are supportive of a man and a woman being married, and attaining their personal happiness, and not supportive of two people of the same sex ALSO attaining personal happiness through marriage, then I'll consider responding.

Like I said you can be married but call it something else

[Sugaree]

Like I said you can be married but call it something else

Look at my edited post above. You seriously can NOT justify denying people of their personal happiness.

[nice]

Look at my edited post above. You seriously can NOT justify denying people of their personal happiness.

I'm not gonna lie but I did not read that it was wayy to long but they can get those benefits too I guess just don't call it marriage

[Sugaree]

I'm not gonna lie but I did not read that it was wayy to long but they can get those benefits too I guess just don't call it marriage

You're still not getting it. If the government is going to recognize the partnership, it HAS to be called marriage. And it's not easy to get the government to recognize something like this. And if you're not going to read information contrary to your own opinion, you're not debating properly.

[Anselmo]

just don't call it marriage

I just checked my dictionary for the definition of marriage...perhaps you should check yours to see if it says it must be between a man and a woman

[nice]

I don't care what the government says call it something else and give u guys the same rights. Plus how marriage is special for heterosexual couples what ever they got would be very special to them

[Sugaree]

I don't care what the government says call it something else and give u guys the same rights. Plus how marriage is special for heterosexual couples what ever they got would be very special to them

So would it not be special to homosexual couples as well?

[nice]

I don't think it would

[Jamie1515]

I think they should be able to marry. We should all be equal nowadays, why have judgement and belittlement of a ( growing ) type of people. I wan't to marry a Woman myself, and have Kids, but I have nothing against the LGBT community, and rightly so, no-one should, and I think they should have equal rights in marriage as any Straight couple.

[Iron Man]

They can if they call it something but marriage
This sounds just like Plessy v Ferguson (Separate but Equal), but with gays. Despicable.

I'm not gonna lie but I did not read that it was wayy to long but they can get those benefits too I guess just don't call it marriage

Way too long? Perhaps you should read it again, maybe you missed some points, like...all of them.

I don't care what the government says call it something else and give u guys the same rights. Plus how marriage is special for heterosexual couples what ever they got would be very special to them

Or, just call it Marriage, with all rights and benefits thereto, and let homosexuals marry.

I don't think it would

For fucks sake, you seriously need to wake up and realize that "because I don't think it would because that is what I believe" isn't logical and therefore can't be an acceptable answer to an argument.

[Sugaree]

I don't think it would

So how do you know it wouldn't be as special to a homosexual couple as it would to a heterosexual couple? Really, you've got nothing to base your beliefs off of other than "it's the way I was taught".

[nice]

Ur point

[Dimitri]

Ur point

How about you think for yourself...

[Sugaree]

Ur point

Get out. Just get out.

[nice]

Nope like I've been saying for a while call it something else and get all the benefits and shit or don't have it point blank

How about you think for yourself...

Nope like I've been saying for a while call it something else and get all the benefits and shit or don't have it point blank


I can and do

Please don't double post, use the edit button instead.

[StoppingTime]

Nope like I've been saying for a while call it something else and get all the benefits and shit or don't have it point blank

You've been saying that, yes, but you have yet to provide any reasons other than "it was what I was taught."

[nice]

At this point I don't even care that its what I've been taught I just like this idea better and think it could be more sentimental that they have something that is exclusive to them like how some heterosexuals feel about their marriage

[StoppingTime]

At this point I don't even care that its what I've been taught I just like this idea better and think it could be more sentimental that they have something that is exclusive to them like how some heterosexuals feel about their marriage

Why do they (heterosexual couples) deserve something "sentimental" but homosexual couples do not? That's implying that heterosexual couples are "better" in some way, which does not really make any sense.

[Inventor2]

I dont understand why they cant. Were all human beings. Its not like gay people are animals. They are the same as everyone else in the world. We all have a heart...right? So should it matter how we use it?

[nice]

No I'm saying what ever you call your would have more meaning to it and be sentimental

[StoppingTime]

No I'm saying what ever you call your would have more meaning to it and be sentimental

What?

What I'm getting at here is that heterosexual marriages have more meaning than homosexual ones, that doesn't make sense. It's the same kind of attraction, just to the same/multiple sex(es).

[nice]

No they don't just call it something else

[StoppingTime]

No they don't just call it something else

But why? You've now told me there is no difference between the two, so why should they be called something different?

[Inventor2]

What the hell? Whats the point if u call it something else. Nothing is accomplished. They should be able to get married like every other person in the world

[nice]

I know I'm not gonna win this in the end because no one else will even consider my idea but still a different name would be more sentimental and help people who are very religious accept it

[Iron Man]

I know I'm not gonna win this in the end because no one else will even consider my idea but still a different name would be more sentimental and help people who are very religious accept it

Your idea makes no sense, so why consider it? Love is love. Marriage is marriage. Why should love and marriage be acceptable for heterosexuals only? How in the hell will anything change if people use "sentimental" as an excuse?

[Inventor2]

Why cant we just call it marrige, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD. Seriously. You are implying that they are different. They arnt different.

[StoppingTime]

I know I'm not gonna win this in the end because no one else will even consider my idea

Maybe if you gave me a reason, I would consider it.


but still a different name would be more sentimental and help people who are very religious accept it

Hark! A reason!!!11!!1oneoneOENEOENEE111111
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People who are very religious will never accept gay marriage. Honestly, they don't need to if they don't want to. They just need to ignore it, and move on. We shouldn't customize our "language," I guess you could say, for the extremist people. (Just so you don't come running saying "all religious people are extremists!!!!) I'll explain what I mean:
If someone is refusing to allow others to be happy because they don't agree, that's an extreme opinion.

[Mirage]

Turning into a [heated] debate.

WPR :arrow: ROTW

[Inventor2]

I think StoppingTime sums it up so im done here

[Sugaree]

I know I'm not gonna win this in the end because no one else will even consider my idea but still a different name would be more sentimental and help people who are very religious accept it

We won't consider your idea because you blatantly refuse to consider our idea. We give you all the contrary evidence to your opinion, yet you still turn your head and plug your ears. Why even try?

[nice]

I considered the idea of calling it marriage and all that before but its just idk not weird but kinda awkward

[Zarakly]

Okay wtf guys? I said the exact same thing as nice pretty much. I have friends who are homosexual and they also agree it should be called something else. Actually you know who came up with the idea? The homosexual couple. I think it should also be called something besides marriage.
Marriage in the Dictionary-
a.
the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.
b.
a similar institution involving partners of the same gender: gay marriage. Antonyms: separation.

You see? it does say of the same sex, but I don't know, how do you guys feel about being "B" in the dictionary? It could make people angry.

I'm not saying they shouldn't get "married" just they should call it something else.

[StoppingTime]

Fair things make people angry because they don't agree. Here's the secret though. it's fair, so it should be done.

[FreeFall]

PDA between anyone is foul. I'd rather love to not see anyone dry humping in the park when I go for a stroll thank you.

They deserve the right to marry. Should the church do it? Only if the church chooses. I'm all for separation of church and state, the government has no right to force a place of religion to do something it doesn't want to do. Would it be nice if all churches did it? I suppose, for those that dream of a wedding there anyways. They're humans, they love, but because they're gay they're denied the simplest of rights that have been around for centuries. It's really a sad thing in my eyes that in this day and age we're still saying that it's unnatural. Correct me if I'm wrong, but why's it "natural" to let a crappy man and a crappy woman that are just crappy people and horrible to each other waltz in and marry each other but not homosexuals that actually love and care for each other and other people? Granted homosexuals can be just as crappy if not crappier than the two heterosexuals, but how's in justifiable?
Will everyone love each other and throw a party once the homosexuals have the right everywhere to marry? No, and don't expect anything like that. Sadly there are people that still think women are nothing more than cooking maids that are walking uterus's and need to pop out as many as her man says. Sadly there are people that still see the blacks and Irish as a lesser race. Sadly some still follow Hitler's ideology. There are going to be those types of people for a long time, hatred sucks, but we've our right to love and the right to hate. Whether we act upon that hate is a different matter.

[nice]

What would be so wrong about calling it something else and still getting the same rights and don't say it will never happen just imagine if it did what would be so wrong with it?

[StoppingTime]

What would be so wrong about calling it something else and still getting the same rights and don't say it will never happen just imagine if it did what would be so wrong with it?

It doesn't make any sense to do that, so why would anyone?
There is no logical reason behind it other than, "because" which is not a very logical reason, when you think about it. :rolleyes:

[FreeFall]

What would be so wrong about calling it something else and still getting the same rights and don't say it will never happen just imagine if it did what would be so wrong with it?
Someone before brought up the case of Plessy vs Ferguson.
Let's do it your way. The homosexuals have the right to marry now, but it's called Frylump or something. Well now there's marriage, and Frylump and both have equal benefits and such but one's for the heterosexuals and the other is for the same gender couples. But wait, they can have marriage under a different name so let's change some other things. There's the bathrooms, and there's Frylump bathrooms. They're the same, just one for the heterosexuals and those attracted to the same gender. We'll have schools, and Frylump schools, equal in every way but one's for the heterosexual kids and the other's for the homosexual ones. Oh darn, we need Frylump jobs too. Jobs that are the same but one type for the heterosexuals and the other is for the homosexuals. It's only fair after all. Some people are so uncomfortable with homosexuals being able to marry, but it's wrong to deny the homosexuals their basic rights like marriage. So let's give them their rights and equality they very much deserve while appeasing those that are made uncomfortable by homosexuals by giving things different names but are the exact same thing.

Separate but equal. It was hard enough to change that the first time, why do you think it should be brought back?

[Zarakly]

Someone before brought up the case of Plessy vs Ferguson.
Let's do it your way. The homosexuals have the right to marry now, but it's called Frylump or something. Well now there's marriage, and Frylump and both have equal benefits and such but one's for the heterosexuals and the other is for the same gender couples. But wait, they can have marriage under a different name so let's change some other things. There's the bathrooms, and there's Frylump bathrooms. They're the same, just one for the heterosexuals and those attracted to the same gender. We'll have schools, and Frylump schools, equal in every way but one's for the heterosexual kids and the other's for the homosexual ones. Oh darn, we need Frylump jobs too. Jobs that are the same but one type for the heterosexuals and the other is for the homosexuals. It's only fair after all. Some people are so uncomfortable with homosexuals being able to marry, but it's wrong to deny the homosexuals their basic rights like marriage. So let's give them their rights and equality they very much deserve while appeasing those that are made uncomfortable by homosexuals by giving things different names but are the exact same thing.

Separate but equal. It was hard enough to change that the first time, why do you think it should be brought back?

But he's not saying to change the names and jobs and split everything down. He is saying, there should be a different name for homosexuality "marriage". He is saying that because for the most part, even in the dictionary, the thing you think of when you hear marriage is between a women and a man. It has been that way for many years. I don't understand why you don't see this. Marriage is between a women and a man. The dictionary says it and lots of other people say that too. If they change the name, then it would change peoples minds and thoughts when they hear the new word. They will think of a man and a man, and a women and a women.

[Gigablue]

But he's not saying to change the names and jobs and split everything down. He is saying, there should be a different name for homosexuality "marriage". He is saying that because for the most part, even in the dictionary, the thing you think of when you hear marriage is between a women and a man. It has been that way for many years. I don't understand why you don't see this. Marriage is between a women and a man. The dictionary says it and lots of other people say that too. If they change the name, then it would change peoples minds and thoughts when they hear the new word. They will think of a man and a man, and a women and a women.

Maybe some people think this, but I know when I hear the word marriage, I think of a union between two people who love each other.

I think people would be able to get to a new definition of marriage. If the dictionary doesn't include it, change the dictionary. It just seems like an unnecessary hassle to make a new word.

[Zarakly]

Maybe some people think this, but I know when I hear the word marriage, I think of a union between two people who love each other.

I think people would be able to get to a new definition of marriage. If the dictionary doesn't include it, change the dictionary. It just seems like an unnecessary hassle to make a new word.

Okay I see your point, and the dictionary does have it in their, just it is listed as "b" instead of "a" which might anger people. I brought up the idea for a new word because a homosexual couple my brother knew came up with it. They said that they would rather prefer it to be called something other than marriage because they even thought marriage was for a women and a man. I'm not exactly for "gay-marriage" but I'm not exactly against it either. I mean, it is up to them how they want to live.

[Gigablue]

Okay I see your point, and the dictionary does have it in their, just it is listed as "b" instead of "a" which might anger people. I brought up the idea for a new word because a homosexual couple my brother knew came up with it. They said that they would rather prefer it to be called something other than marriage because they even thought marriage was for a women and a man. I'm not exactly for "gay-marriage" but I'm not exactly against it either. I mean, it is up to them how they want to live.

I think some people would be more open to the idea of it getting a new name, but its not necessary.

I can't say I agree with you when you say it's their choice. No one chooses to be gay, just like no one chooses to be straight. They do have the choice of being who they really are or hiding it and spending their life with someone they don't love, but that's not really a choice at all.

[FreeFall]

But he's not saying to change the names and jobs and split everything down. He is saying, there should be a different name for homosexuality "marriage". He is saying that because for the most part, even in the dictionary, the thing you think of when you hear marriage is between a women and a man. It has been that way for many years. I don't understand why you don't see this. Marriage is between a women and a man. The dictionary says it and lots of other people say that too. If they change the name, then it would change peoples minds and thoughts when they hear the new word. They will think of a man and a man, and a women and a women.
Why? And I jumped because that's what they may as well have said. example: Black marriage v. white marriages back in times of segregation. They were both unions between people that loved each other, just one for the whites and one for the blacks. Same thing, different names, for different colored people. What need is there to say same thing, different name, for people of differing sexual orientation, when all are equal to each other?
Also, straight people shouldn't get a say in the naming process if ever there is one. Let the homosexual community take a vote if they want another name, majority wins. We straight people have no right, no business, telling the homosexuals what their unions is to be called.
You say marriage has been between a man and woman for many years, so? Slavery was around for many years, way back when the pharaohs were the big man, most of it is now gone. Things change.
Marriage to me is a union between two people that love each other. Modern dictionaries have this definition. I do not care what so ever what the world says about the definition, this is what I say.
Edit again: I respect what you view marriage to be though. You're completely entitled to such. If that's how you feel, then that's how you feel and we're all entitled to that.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Eh, I think marriage itself is absurd, except for legal reasons. If two men or women want a certificate that says they love each other *This Much* its fine by me.

[nice]

Zarakly explained it better than I think I ever could of so this is one of those things were you have to agree to disagree