If you are Leader of your Country

[Carlsen]

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If you are leader of your country what will you do to change your country from the way it is now and make it better? I will do this.

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Build new technology in militaire.
Opt out from EU .
The militaire more big to protect country.
All criminal charge drop for Julian Assange because he is good person.
Treaty with UK, Norway, Russia to research for develop better energy.
Lawsuit to Hermann von Rompuy :mad:
Build autobahn to have no speed controlle.





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[TheBigUnit]

That country might not last long I think its safe to say almost every militaristic nation doesn't last, but I think if you are a not corrupt leader who does the best for the people regardless if they're the best or not is a great leader and its apparently hard to be that

[FreeFall]

Define what I can do. Am I limited by the already existing rules for our respective country's leaders or can we God-mode?
America would fall for sure under my rule.

I'm an eye-for-an-eye person. The country would be blind in a heartbeat.
The children's hospitals would be my top priority.
I'd sentence anyone unable to understand tolerance and respect others' decisions and make an example out of them.
I'd eliminate the draft. I'm selfish.
Our military would be more rigorous, it would deter many from joining.
I'd give our servicemen many, many, many more benefits and their families.
I'd sentence the corrupt to death and make an example out of them.
Healthcare would be more affordable and available, for animals too.
There'd be little to help the drug addicts.

Reading over this...I'm a bit evil.

[huginnmuninn]

Global Thermal Nuclear War! for the lulz

[Loreley]

I will try to start over about everything in this country.

[TheBigUnit]

Define what I can do. Am I limited by the already existing rules for our respective country's leaders or can we God-mode?
America would fall for sure under my rule.

I'm an eye-for-an-eye person. The country would be blind in a heartbeat.
The children's hospitals would be my top priority.
I'd sentence anyone unable to understand tolerance and respect others' decisions and make an example out of them.
I'd eliminate the draft. I'm selfish.
Our military would be more rigorous, it would deter many from joining.
I'd give our servicemen many, many, many more benefits and their families.
I'd sentence the corrupt to death and make an example out of them.
Healthcare would be more affordable and available, for animals too.
There'd be little to help the drug addicts.

Reading over this...I'm a bit evil.

State funded benefits for animals is a waste of money


This reminds me f the game civilization

[darkwoon]

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If you are leader of your country what will you do to change your country from the way it is now and make it better?

- Extend and reorganize public services;
- Increase the EU integration and push for a centralization of the EU institutions;
- Re-nationalize ressources that I consider public: energy production and distribution, public transport, postal services, to name a few.

As for Hermann Van Rompuy (he's Belgian, not German, thus not "von"...), I'd probably send him congratulations. I didn't know him before, but he appears to be a good diplomat and an excellent tactician working "in the shadows".

[FreeFall]

State funded benefits for animals is a waste of money


This reminds me f the game civilization
How's it a waste of money? Service animals are pretty important in my opinion. They sniff the bombs, drugs, mold, gases. They crawl into where we can't reach, have much better hearing and smell. The dolphins find mines or whatever the hell it is dolphins do now. They've got a better pain tolerance, usually are faster in speed and scarier. Not sure too many criminals enjoy a couple of German Sheppard charging them down and grabbing their leg. The blind need guide animals, the hearing impaired need them, and they've got "Helper Monkeys" for the paralyzed. And frankly, they do what we don't want to. They're more efficient than humans in some cases.

Did you think I meant all animals focusing on Aunt Betty's irritating pug? That decision was more aimed at the animals we need. Pets too, but lower on the spectrum.

[Gigablue]

Eliminate the military or severely cut funding
Make all healthcare free and open more hospitals
Reform the education system to make it useful
Tax churches and religious organizations heavily
Make public transit free
Legalize marijuana
Ban alternative medicine
Raise taxes for the rich and lower them for the poor
Regulate the private sector much more
Get rid of the catholic school board
Give more money to veterans
Make assisted suicide legal

[Jess]

let's see...

heavily tax churches / religious organizations
legalize marijuana
tax the rich more, less taxes for poor


...that's all I can think of. I'll add more when I think of more

[TheBigUnit]

How's it a waste of money? Service animals are pretty important in my opinion. They sniff the bombs, drugs, mold, gases. They crawl into where we can't reach, have much better hearing and smell. The dolphins find mines or whatever the hell it is dolphins do now. They've got a better pain tolerance, usually are faster in speed and scarier. Not sure too many criminals enjoy a couple of German Sheppard charging them down and grabbing their leg. The blind need guide animals, the hearing impaired need them, and they've got "Helper Monkeys" for the paralyzed. And frankly, they do what we don't want to. They're more efficient than humans in some cases.

Did you think I meant all animals focusing on Aunt Betty's irritating pug? That decision was more aimed at the animals we need. Pets too, but lower on the spectrum.

Yea haha I thought u meant free health care for pets that would PO a lot of ppl, your rite tho about service animals

[Korashk]

America:
- Reduce military spending by about 75%
- Eliminate the draft
- Pardon all people currently in prison for non-violent drug offenses
- Legalize all drugs
- Phase out government-run social security
- General lessening of business regulations
- Eliminate government subsidies to businesses
- Eliminate Intellectual Property laws
- Continue on this trend until it becomes feasible to disband the government and leave behind a properly functioning anarcho-capitalist society

[CourtingErmine]

Eliminate the military or severely cut funding
Make all healthcare free and open more hospitals
Reform the education system to make it useful
Tax churches and religious organizations heavily
Make public transit free
Legalize marijuana
Ban alternative medicine
Raise taxes for the rich and lower them for the poor
Regulate the private sector much more
Get rid of the catholic school board
Give more money to veterans
Make assisted suicide legal

What about the DoD? Does that stay, what does the Pentagon turn into, a shopping mall?
Healthcare, okay, maybe.
The education system does need to be reformed.
Why tax religious organizations and churches heavily?
Free public transit would cost billions a year for the government. The costs add up quickly, and electric hybrid buses, where do they get the electricity?
Private sector, yes, regulate it.
You can never get rid of the Catholic school board, never, constitution, what about the jobs lost with that, and at that, taxing them heavily, what about military job loss.
Yes, veterans need a lot more money.
Just, no, so many things wrong with assisted suicide.

[TheBigUnit]

America:
- Reduce military spending by about 75%
- Eliminate the draft
- Pardon all people currently in prison for non-violent drug offenses
- Legalize all drugs
- Phase out government-run social security
- General lessening of business regulations
- Eliminate government subsidies to businesses
- Eliminate Intellectual Property laws
- Continue on this trend until it becomes feasible to disband the government and leave behind a properly functioning anarcho-capitalist society


This is going to look like early 20th century robber barons

[Zarakly]

-Improve Military(more funding, better protection, help them after they get honorably discharged.)
-Fund NASA more
-Make it legal to carry knives and multi-tools around where ever no matter what size as long as you aren't using it in a violent way
-Make it an economy where you can trade items for items AND still use money if you want. Which ever one you want to do(if that makes sense)
-Make the cost of college go down
-Make it so teens are allowed to work for as long as they want as long as they keep their grades up. 20 hours a week I heard is all I'm allowed to work here?
-More research/funding into Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology

I think that is all that I can really think of that I would do.

[Gigablue]

What about the DoD? Does that stay, what does the Pentagon turn into, a shopping mall?
Healthcare, okay, maybe.
The education system does need to be reformed.
Why tax religious organizations and churches heavily?
Free public transit would cost billions a year for the government. The costs add up quickly, and electric hybrid buses, where do they get the electricity?
Private sector, yes, regulate it.
You can never get rid of the Catholic school board, never, constitution, what about the jobs lost with that, and at that, taxing them heavily, what about military job loss.
Yes, veterans need a lot more money.
Just, no, so many things wrong with assisted suicide.

I'm Canadian. We don't have an equivalent of the pentagon. The department could stay but would be much smaller.

Religious organizations don't deserve tax breaks, they shouldn't even exist, in my opinion, but since I can ban religion, this is the next best thing

I said I wanted to raise taxes. Some of the taxes could pay for this.

I would turn the catholic schools into public schools. They would basically be the same, just without religion.

There's nothing wrong with assisted suicide, but the debate over that belongs in its own thread.

[Syntax]

I can somehow relate this thread's topic with my Empire: Total War game. Well, anyways:

- Dissolution the House of Representatives and the Senate until such time the reforms have made a positive effect to the country.

- Transfer of legislative powers to the President, giving him the right to pass laws without interference.

- Purging of suspected corrupt officials through imprisonment, execution or the seizing of properties and assets.

- Government officials are placed in office for their merit instead of family connections, bribery, etc.

- Reorganization through the various branches - Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, Civil Guard and National Police.

- Acquisition of new weapons, vehicles, aircraft and warships for national defense.

- Establish government controlled arms industries.

- Encouraging the establishment of local industries aimed at producing high quality, local products.

- Give free jobs in government controlled companies to the jobless taking into consideration their skills, educational attainment and merit.

- Support any new technological and scientific breakthroughs made by local scientists.

- Allow the building of nuclear power plants to address power issues and shortages.

- Allow the privatization of liable government owned companies while strengthening the other failing GOCs.

- Subsidize social welfare programs, such as health care, social security, disaster reduction, etc.

- Improving early disaster warning protocols and standards.

- Establish state run colleges, high schools and primary schools.

- Give free, vocational college courses to those who lack money to educate themselves in other colleges.

- Give importance to infrastructure, such as the maintenance and the building roads, bridges, tunnels, railways, highways, dams etc.

I might sound like a bona fide dictator but this is what my country really needs.

[Zarakly]

Religious organizations don't deserve tax breaks, they shouldn't even exist, in my opinion, but since I can ban religion, this is the next best thing.

Why should religious organizations not exist? Why should they be taxed? There is "nothing wrong with them". They don't deserve to be taxed heavily at all.

I would turn the catholic schools into public schools. They would basically be the same, just without religion.

I agree with you here, I think that everyone should have the experience of a public school.

There's nothing wrong with assisted suicide, but the debate over that belongs in its own thread.

How is there nothing wrong with assisted suicide yet there is something wrong with religious organizations? Assisted suicide seems like it would be almost homicide. You also could prevent the person from doing suicide because there is no reason to take your life for anything.

[Cicero]

-Cut spending, while giving tax relief/cut to all business owners, to encourage additional spending and encourage more hiring of employees
-Strengthen public schools and encourage schools to give incentives toward their students
-Give tax reliefs/cuts to government employees (teachers, school staff, police, firefighters, military etc)
-Preserve freedom of speech and religion
-Provide incentives toward students to work harder and do better
-Slowly make a smaller government, that spends smartly
-All immigrants get to become a citizen faster, making the citizenship road smaller (smaller but just as safe)
-Legalize all drugs that don't promote death and harm others (ie. cocain, heroin, etc), while putting taxes on those drugs
-Veterans get tax reliefs/cuts for 5 years after service (but they have had to serve a minimum of 3 years)
-Encourage the hiring of Veterans and ex-military personal
-Have teachers jobs depend on quality of their teaching rather than number of years
-Do small spending cuts in all government fields (about a 10%-20% cut in all fields of government, including all senators get a 10% paycheck cut, FYI Hilary Clinton gets paid approximately $192,000 a yr according to Forbes)
-Try to slowly move the country to self sufficiency, by going more 'green'

[Gigablue]

Why should religious organizations not exist? Why should they be taxed? There is "nothing wrong with them". They don't deserve to be taxed heavily at all.

They are simply wrong. Religion has no basis in fact. However, this thread isn't a religion thread, so I don't really want to get into a debate about religion here.

How is there nothing wrong with assisted suicide yet there is something wrong with religious organizations? Assisted suicide seems like it would be almost homicide. You also could prevent the person from doing suicide because there is no reason to take your life for anything.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I think assisted suicide should be legal but heavily regulated. It should only be legal for people with terminal illnesses that cause untreatable pain or other suffering. I disagree that there is no reason to take your life. If you are going to suffer constantly until you die, and nothing can get rid of the pain, why should you have to live?

[CourtingErmine]

They are simply wrong. Religion has no basis in fact. However, this thread isn't a religion thread, so I don't really want to get into a debate about religion here.



Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I think assisted suicide should be legal but heavily regulated. It should only be legal for people with terminal illnesses that cause untreatable pain or other suffering. I disagree that there is no reason to take your life. If you are going to suffer constantly until you die, and nothing can get rid of the pain, why should you have to live?

Why should you get rid of private schools just so every kid gets a chance to go to public school? If parents want to pay for private, and don't like the public system, why should there be no option? You know what, I went to a private Catholic school from 6-8th grade, and now I'm back in public, just because my parents couldn't afford private Catholic high. Another thing, I care if I want to be Catholic, the thing is, taxing them would never work, they would never pay, and they get no tax breaks as it is right now. Why do you want to disband them? They have a basis of fact. Bottom line. Non arguable. Why are we wrong and atheists ate so right in the first place. That's a bit rash. You're right, we don't know if God exists, but I believe. We won't know until we die. Even if you got churches to disband, a lot of people would meet and have mass with a priest or pastor secretly. What would do with the abandoned churches anyway.

[Carlsen]

- Extend and reorganize public services;
- Increase the EU integration and push for a centralization of the EU institutions;
- Re-nationalize ressources that I consider public: energy production and distribution, public transport, postal services, to name a few.

As for Hermann Van Rompuy (he's Belgian, not German, thus not "von"...), I'd probably send him congratulations. I didn't know him before, but he appears to be a good diplomat and an excellent tactician working "in the shadows".

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no, which I think you are wrong. Hermann von Rompuy he want EU countrys so he can have rich Belgian banks. he always say, kan jag hjälpa att vi är rika. I hate him :mad:


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[Gigablue]

Why should you get rid of private schools just so every kid gets a chance to go to public school? If parents want to pay for private, and don't like the public system, why should there be no option? You know what, I went to a private Catholic school from 6-8th grade, and now I'm back in public, just because my parents couldn't afford private Catholic high. Another thing, I care if I want to be Catholic, the thing is, taxing them would never work, they would never pay, and they get no tax breaks as it is right now. Why do you want to disband them? They have a basis of fact. Bottom line. Non arguable. Why are we wrong and atheists ate so right in the first place. That's a bit rash. You're right, we don't know if God exists, but I believe. We won't know until we die. Even if you got churches to disband, a lot of people would meet and have mass with a priest or pastor secretly. What would do with the abandoned churches anyway.

When did I mention private schools? Here in Canada, catholic schools are funded by taxpayer money. I don't want public money to be used for indoctrination. If parents want to send their children to private schools, they should be able to.

There is no evidence that religion is true. It makes an unnecessary assumption about reality and should be discarded in accordance with Occam's razor.

I can't prove that there is no god, but it's next to impossible to prove a negative. You are claiming there is a god, you have no evidence, therefore I am rejecting your hypothesis.

As for churches, I never said to get rid of them, just to tax them. Think religion shouldn't exist, but banning it would be incredibly unpopular.

[CourtingErmine]

When did I mention private schools? Here in Canada, catholic schools are funded by taxpayer money. I don't want public money to be used for indoctrination. If parents want to send their children to private schools, they should be able to.

There is no evidence that religion is true. It makes an unnecessary assumption about reality and should be discarded in accordance with Occam's razor.

I can't prove that there is no god, but it's next to impossible to prove a negative. You are claiming there is a god, you have no evidence, therefore I am rejecting your hypothesis.

As for churches, I never said to get rid of them, just to tax them. Think religion shouldn't exist, but banning it would be incredibly unpopular.

Here in the US, you want private education, you pay, no taxpayer money involved.
Now as for you're argument against religion, why should people be discouraged from following religion, just because you don't believe in it. No proof, huh, prove to me there is no God, it's pointless to waste your time on that, I'll believe you. Show ME evidence there is no god.
As for your church thing, the way you wrote it inferred you wanted it gone. They shouldn't be taxed, bottom line. No church would pay for the taxes, and it would also be highly unpopular.

[Gigablue]

Now as for you're argument against religion, why should people be discouraged from following religion, just because you don't believe in it. No proof, huh, prove to me there is no God, it's pointless to waste your time on that, I'll believe you. Show ME evidence there is no god.

Prove to me that there isn't an invisible pink unicorn who is the ultimate power in the universe. You can't. You can never prove something doesn't exist. Unless you can give some evidence for a god, we shouldn't assume one exists.

As for churches, they promote religion, which is unscientific and violates Occam's razor. If they are allowed to exist, they should be taxed. Why should we give tax breaks to people who promote falsehoods.

[Zarakly]

Gigablue, do your research. YOu can find many facts and relics of stuff that has happened in the bible. The ark? Yea we found that. The curtain that stopped people from entering the holy of holies was really thick and strong, no earthquake could rip it, yet when Jesus was crucified, it was ripped. There has been skeletons and chariots found at the bottom of the red sea, there has been a box found with bones of a person more than 1900 years old with letters that spell out jonah and other pictures one including of a person inside a fish. There has been many reason as to why it is true those are just a few that I know off the top of my head. You can't just go around taxing churches and other religious places. It would cause riot and possibly a war. Look what happened when the british tried to tax tea. Look what happened when the british tried to tax the 13 colonies on other stuff. The tax collectors and loyalists got feathered and tarred, and it caused a war. How can you go around saying that God isn't real? Maybe we should tax atheist for NOT believing in something. You see your point can work for either side.

[Gigablue]

Gigablue, do your research. YOu can find many facts and relics of stuff that has happened in the bible. The ark? Yea we found that. The curtain that stopped people from entering the holy of holies was really thick and strong, no earthquake could rip it, yet when Jesus was crucified, it was ripped. There has been skeletons and chariots found at the bottom of the red sea, there has been a box found with bones of a person more than 1900 years old with letters that spell out jonah and other pictures one including of a person inside a fish. There has been many reason as to why it is true those are just a few that I know off the top of my head.

Do you have any sources? Some of the stories in the bible would leave obvious evidence if they were true. Take Noah's ark as an example. Has someone found a huge wooden ship on a mountain? No. Is there geological evidence of a worldwide flood? Is it possible to fit thousands of species on a boat for months?

You can't just go around taxing churches and other religious places. It would cause riot and possibly a war. Look what happened when the british tried to tax tea. Look what happened when the british tried to tax the 13 colonies on other stuff. The tax collectors and loyalists got feathered and tarred, and it caused a war.

I agree that it would be unpopular, but I think it is necessary. Many important political decisions were unpopular.

How can you go around saying that God isn't real? Maybe we should tax atheist for NOT believing in something. You see your point can work for either side.

I say god isn't real since there is no evidence. You just assert that god is real, while providing no evidence or bad evidence. I just don't think that anyone should be exempt from taxes. Churches have been exempt for a long time, and that needs to end.

[Cicero]

Do you have any sources? Some of the stories in the bible would leave obvious evidence if they were true. Take Noah's ark as an example. Has someone found a huge wooden ship on a mountain? No. Is there geological evidence of a worldwide flood? Is it possible to fit thousands of species on a boat for months?



I agree that it would be unpopular, but I think it is necessary. Many important political decisions were unpopular.



I say god isn't real since there is no evidence. You just assert that god is real, while providing no evidence or bad evidence. I just don't think that anyone should be exempt from taxes. Churches have been exempt for a long time, and that needs to end.

Now your spewing crap. They DID find a big part of Noah's ark like in this article. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/). In fact, you type in Noah's ark, and the first 5 top hits was "Noah's ark found". The flood was actually recorded, in the Epic of Gilgamesh text, it records a huge flood that covered the earth. I'm not going to hold your hand, and type in the text found in Epic of Gilgamesh you can (hopefully) do that on your own. Churches have been a huge part of history and always will be, sorry others don't agree with your Nazism thoughts of destroying all religion and churches (which hitler tried to remove religion, you can look that up on your own too). In fact, churches do get taxed on the land that they own, and the people they pay ( like priests). But you know what they do with the money they receive? They pay they're land taxes and or rent, and then they give away the rest.

Your constantly asserting that god isn't real, but YOU have not proved anything yourself, your asking the other guy to prove his existence. While he asked you first about your proof that he isn't. Then you try to change the subject and ask him for evidence, completely ignoring the question he asked you first :negrep:

[Gigablue]

Now your spewing crap. They DID find a big part of Noah's ark like in this article. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/). In fact, you type in Noah's ark, and the first 5 top hits was "Noah's ark found". The flood was actually recorded, in the Epic of Gilgamesh text, it records a huge flood that covered the earth. I'm not going to hold your hand, and type in the text found in Epic of Gilgamesh you can (hopefully) do that on your own.

People claim to have found Noah's ark several times. Most of them only found a piece of wood and then extrapolated wildly. Here, they say they ruled out the possibility of a human settlement having build what they found, though they never say how.

All of this ignores the impossibility of the Noah's ark story. A pair of each species reproducing to repopulate the earth, as well as a group of less than ten repopulating all humans and creating all the genetic diversity in only a few millennia. There is no way to fit all the animals and their food on the ark, and once they landed, everyone would have starved anyway.

Churches have been a huge part of history and always will be, sorry others don't agree with your Nazism thoughts of destroying all religion and churches (which hitler tried to remove religion, you can look that up on your own too). In fact, churches do get taxed on the land that they own, and the people they pay ( like priests). But you know what they do with the money they receive? They pay they're land taxes and or rent, and then they give away the rest.

The nazis didn't try to destroy religion, just various groups they didn't like. Hitler himself was a catholic, not an atheist.

Many regions exempt churches from land taxes, and they never have to pay tax on donations.

Your constantly asserting that god isn't real, but YOU have not proved anything yourself, your asking the other guy to prove his existence. While he asked you first about your proof that he isn't. Then you try to change the subject and ask him for evidence, completely ignoring the question he asked you first :negrep:

The religious hypothesis is that a god exists. The null hypothesis is therefore that there is no god. By definition, the null hypothesis can't be proven. It can be rejected, based on evidence, or not rejected, if there is a lack of evidence.

Failing to reject the null hypothesis doesn't mean that the null hypothesis is necessarily true. I'm not saying that there is definitely no god, just that there is no reason to reject the null hypothesis, i.e. that there is no god.

The burden of proof rests on whoever makes the claim. You are claiming that there is a god. You need to provide evidence. I am not claiming to be able to prove a god does not exist. I am simply questioning your claim.

[Korashk]

Now your spewing crap. They DID find a big part of Noah's ark like in this article. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/). In fact, you type in Noah's ark, and the first 5 top hits was "Noah's ark found".
Do you read your sources? That article completely debunks the notion that the boat they found in Turkey was Noah's Ark.

You see, what archaeological discoveries that seem on face value to line up with something described in religious history, religious people like to claim that it's their event, except that after the discovery is actually examined it either almost never actually is, can't be determined wither way, or is vaguely related in a way that doesn't actually matter.

The flood was actually recorded, in the Epic of Gilgamesh text, it records a huge flood that covered the earth. I'm not going to hold your hand, and type in the text found in Epic of Gilgamesh you can (hopefully) do that on your own.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is a work of fiction you idiot. The worldwide flood as described in the Bible is LITERALLY impossible. A basic understanding of physics and algebra can tell you this.

Your constantly asserting that god isn't real, but YOU have not proved anything yourself, your asking the other guy to prove his existence. While he asked you first about your proof that he isn't. Then you try to change the subject and ask him for evidence, completely ignoring the question he asked you first :negrep:
Because asking someone to prove that an unfalsifiable concept doesn't exist is a fool's errand. It literally can't be done.

[Zarakly]

Do you read your sources? That article completely debunks the notion that the boat they found in Turkey was Noah's Ark.

You see, what archaeological discoveries that seem on face value to line up with something described in religious history, religious people like to claim that it's their event, except that after the discovery is actually examined it either almost never actually is, can't be determined wither way, or is vaguely related in a way that doesn't actually matter.

There still has been people that are almost completely sure that it is Noah's Ark just like there are people who think it isn't.

The Epic of Gilgamesh is a work of fiction you idiot. The worldwide flood as described in the Bible is LITERALLY impossible. A basic understanding of physics and algebra can tell you this.

I have no idea what this epic of Gilgamesh is, but there still is no need to be insulting. This is how it always ends up, you guys insulting us. Many things may seem impossible to physics and algebra, doesn't mean that they don't necessarily happen. I'll give you a couple things that have happened recently. Someone at my church had tumors the size of gold balls on their lungs, they were told the only had a couple months to live. We did a prayer circle and now they have only one tumor like 2 cm long now. Another, my dad had an aortic aneurism. It was bigger than a banana, and he had to have his whole aorta replaced. It could've burst at anytime. He was dead on the table for a few minutes and almost not able to come back, but yet miraculously he still survived. He also had a knee replacement, his knee was so bad, they had to cut muscle so they could do it. The doctors that came to my house said that he most likely has a blood clot, his blood level was way to thick for someone with a fake aorta and valve. He could've died that day. He still is here and recovering. Perhaps you may not believe in God because nothing has happened to you that sparks your belief, but whatever there still is no need to be insulting us for our religion. We have given you some proof, if you simply research more you to can find information about it.
I'm honestly getting tired of arguing about this, you don't want to accept it, fine then just stop bringing it up. There is no need to tax us even more. There have been many churches around my area that have closed simply because we don't have enough money to stay open as it is. I enjoy knowing that I have someone watching over me, because of him I have been able to do many things knowing he is there.

[CourtingErmine]

Okay, I wouldn't do a lot different if I were a leader of a country. I would cut Social Security and Medicare heavily, basically getting rid of it completely, since it sorta is unconstitutional. I would spend more on education. I would also get rid of government sponsored cell phone plans. I would also keep military spending the same, and with SS and Medicare cut, we would be out of debt within a few years. I would also vote to decrease my annual income, since I'd already be a millionaire.

[Gigablue]

There still has been people that are almost completely sure that it is Noah's Ark just like there are people who think it isn't.

It doesn't matter what people think. It can be objectively analyzed. Due to the probability of it being part of the ark being incredibly small, there are many more likely explanations that must be ruled out before saying they found the ark.

I have no idea what this epic of Gilgamesh is, but there still is no need to be insulting. This is how it always ends up, you guys insulting us. Many things may seem impossible to physics and algebra, doesn't mean that they don't necessarily happen. I'll give you a couple things that have happened recently. Someone at my church had tumors the size of gold balls on their lungs, they were told the only had a couple months to live. We did a prayer circle and now they have only one tumor like 2 cm long now. Another, my dad had an aortic aneurism. It was bigger than a banana, and he had to have his whole aorta replaced. It could've burst at anytime. He was dead on the table for a few minutes and almost not able to come back, but yet miraculously he still survived. He also had a knee replacement, his knee was so bad, they had to cut muscle so they could do it. The doctors that came to my house said that he most likely has a blood clot, his blood level was way to thick for someone with a fake aorta and valve. He could've died that day. He still is here and recovering. Perhaps you may not believe in God because nothing has happened to you that sparks your belief, but whatever there still is no need to be insulting us for our religion. We have given you some proof, if you simply research more you to can find information about it.
I'm honestly getting tired of arguing about this, you don't want to accept it, fine then just stop bringing it up. There is no need to tax us even more. There have been many churches around my area that have closed simply because we don't have enough money to stay open as it is. I enjoy knowing that I have someone watching over me, because of him I have been able to do many things knowing he is there.

You haven't given proof, you've given anecdotes. There's a reason anecdotes aren't used in science. They're unreliable and don't allow for valid conclusions to be drawn. If you take a large group of people with cancer and pray for half of them, them compare survival rates, that would be good evidence. You basically have a study where n=1, which is therefore impossible to draw any claims from. Another problem with anecdotes is that they are prone to the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, i.e. if something happens after something else, the first event caused the second.

The reason I keep bringing this up is that it is the reason I feel churches should be taxed. If they promoted truths, I would be okay with them getting tax breaks, since they would be educational organizations. Since they basically promote lies, they don't serve a useful purpose in society and should be taxes just like any other business.

Okay, I wouldn't do a lot different if I were a leader of a country. I would cut Social Security and Medicare heavily, basically getting rid of it completely, since it sorta is unconstitutional. I would spend more on education. I would also get rid of government sponsored cell phone plans. I would also keep military spending the same, and with SS and Medicare cut, we would be out of debt within a few years. I would also vote to decrease my annual income, since I'd already be a millionaire.

How are Medicare and social security unconstitutional. I don't know that much about your constitution, but I don't see what's wrong with them. I think Medicare has its problems and that the Canadian healthcare systems better, but getting rid of it is the last thing the US needs to do.

I completely agree with spending more on education and cutting the president's annual salary.

[Korashk]

There still has been people that are almost completely sure that it is Noah's Ark just like there are people who think it isn't.
Except it's the people that think it is Noah's Ark's job to prove that fact. In the article Tacticus posted not even prominent Biblical Scholars think that the ark is genuine because based on their calculations the wood is too young and it's on the wrong mountain.

I have no idea what this epic of Gilgamesh is, but there still is no need to be insulting. This is how it always ends up, you guys insulting us.
I'm responding in kind. If Tacticus had responded respectfully, then I would've. It has nothing to do with an "us vs. them" mentality.

Many things may seem impossible to physics and algebra, doesn't mean that they don't necessarily happen.
Except that's exactly what it means. The laws of physics govern reality. They can't be broken. If a book claims that something happened, happened in a way that violated the laws of physics, it is reasonable to conclude that the event didn't happen.

I'll give you a couple things that have happened recently. Someone at my church had tumors the size of gold balls on their lungs, they were told the only had a couple months to live. We did a prayer circle and now they have only one tumor like 2 cm long now. Another, my dad had an aortic aneurism. It was bigger than a banana, and he had to have his whole aorta replaced. It could've burst at anytime. He was dead on the table for a few minutes and almost not able to come back, but yet miraculously he still survived. He also had a knee replacement, his knee was so bad, they had to cut muscle so they could do it. The doctors that came to my house said that he most likely has a blood clot, his blood level was way to thick for someone with a fake aorta and valve. He could've died that day. He still is here and recovering. Perhaps you may not believe in God because nothing has happened to you that sparks your belief, but whatever there still is no need to be insulting us for our religion. We have given you some proof, if you simply research more you to can find information about it.
I'm not insulting your religion. I'm pointing out that many of the things The Bible claimed happened literlaly couldn't have happened. Probability has nothing to do with it. All of your examples are examples of miraculous occurrences that are rare, but not impossible. These recoveries didn't violate the physical laws of the universe. The earth flooding in forty days does.

[CourtingErmine]

It doesn't matter what people think. It can be objectively analyzed. Due to the probability of it being part of the ark being incredibly small, there are many more likely explanations that must be ruled out before saying they found the ark.



You haven't given proof, you've given anecdotes. There's a reason anecdotes aren't used in science. They're unreliable and don't allow for valid conclusions to be drawn. If you take a large group of people with cancer and pray for half of them, them compare survival rates, that would be good evidence. You basically have a study where n=1, which is therefore impossible to draw any claims from. Another problem with anecdotes is that they are prone to the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, i.e. if something happens after something else, the first event caused the second.

The reason I keep bringing this up is that it is the reason I feel churches should be taxed. If they promoted truths, I would be okay with them getting tax breaks, since they would be educational organizations. Since they basically promote lies, they don't serve a useful purpose in society and should be taxes just like any other business.



How are Medicare and social security unconstitutional. I don't know that much about your constitution, but I don't see what's wrong with them. I think Medicare has its problems and that the Canadian healthcare systems better, but getting rid of it is the last thing the US needs to do.

I completely agree with spending more on education and cutting the president's annual salary.

I said SS was unconstitutional, not Medicare. Social security gives elderly people money, not saying that's so bad, but do we seriously need to give that much money. Medicare I would completely gut and make a new system. It needs to be done. The systems are so screwed up, and Obamacare is a joke, Medicaid needs to be dealt with. I would make a whole new system similar to Canada's, but a bit better because the ratio of people in the US to Canada is about 100:1, correct me if I'm wrong, but the US has over 300 million residents. I don't know about Canada, but it's a lot less there.

[Zarakly]

Screw this haha I'm done trying to reason with you bull headed atheists. There is obviously more of you than us which makes every one of us get negative rep and insulted. I'm done with these threads about this, there is no point in trying to show you why when you won't ever change your ways. Your probably going to say "Why don't you change your ways" or something like that and I'll let you know that I did in fact, I had been an atheist since around 9/11 last year when I joined and have really started to understand and actually see differences and help from Him. You won't believe me whatever. There is just so much more happiness and joy rather than depression and rage since I have accepted Him truly. But you know, you wouldn't believe that because no one has done tests on me to see if what i am saying is true.

[Gigablue]

I said SS was unconstitutional, not Medicare. Social security gives elderly people money, not saying that's so bad, but do we seriously need to give that much money. Medicare I would completely gut and make a new system. It needs to be done. The systems are so screwed up, and Obamacare is a joke, Medicaid needs to be dealt with. I would make a whole new system similar to Canada's, but a bit better because the ratio of people in the US to Canada is about 100:1, correct me if I'm wrong, but the US has over 300 million residents. I don't know about Canada, but it's a lot less there.

Sorry. I misunderstood you. I understand your opinion about SS, though I'm not sure I agree. On another note, the ratio is about 10:1, Canada has about 35 million people.

[CourtingErmine]

Sorry. I misunderstood you. I understand your opinion about SS, though I'm not sure I agree. On another note, the ratio is about 10:1, Canada has about 35 million people.

Whoops, meant to say 10:1, not 100:1. Damned iPod key board.

[TheBigUnit]

I can somehow relate this thread's topic with my Empire: Total War game. Well, anyways:

- Dissolution the House of Representatives and the Senate until such time the reforms have made a positive effect to the country.

- Transfer of legislative powers to the President, giving him the right to pass laws without interference.

- Purging of suspected corrupt officials through imprisonment, execution or the seizing of properties and assets.

- Government officials are placed in office for their merit instead of family connections, bribery, etc.

- Reorganization through the various branches - Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, Civil Guard and National Police.

- Acquisition of new weapons, vehicles, aircraft and warships for national defense.

- Establish government controlled arms industries.

- Encouraging the establishment of local industries aimed at producing high quality, local products.

- Give free jobs in government controlled companies to the jobless taking into consideration their skills, educational attainment and merit.

- Support any new technological and scientific breakthroughs made by local scientists.

- Allow the building of nuclear power plants to address power issues and shortages.

- Allow the privatization of liable government owned companies while strengthening the other failing GOCs.

- Subsidize social welfare programs, such as health care, social security, disaster reduction, etc.

- Improving early disaster warning protocols and standards.

- Establish state run colleges, high schools and primary schools.

- Give free, vocational college courses to those who lack money to educate themselves in other colleges.

- Give importance to infrastructure, such as the maintenance and the building roads, bridges, tunnels, railways, highways, dams etc.

I might sound like a bona fide dictator but this is what my country really needs.

National police? Ugh ur gove way too dicitroiral

Sorry. I misunderstood you. I understand your opinion about SS, though I'm not sure I agree. On another note, the ratio is about 10:1, Canada has about 35 million people.

You kno Einstein was a very religious man and he had good reseasoning about it too.....thts all I have to say about tht...



Btw y does everybody wsnt to be so militaristic? Militaristic economies don't last long if you don't go to was. These nation don't want to go to war they have to ie. Rome, nazi, ussr, USA,

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[CourtingErmine]

National police? Ugh ur gove way too dicitroiral



You kno Einstein was a very religious man and he had good reseasoning about it too.....thts all I have to say about tht...



Btw y does everybody wsnt to be so militaristic? Militaristic economies don't last long if you don't go to was. These nation don't want to go to war they have to ie. Rome, nazi, ussr, USA,

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The thing is, there will always be war, and we need funding for new methods, military personnel, reservists. We have a HUGE military, and people don't work for free. What about when we have war, we just make it up as we go along? No, you need your government to have a somewhat militaristic.

[TheBigUnit]

Of course but it doesn't mean you have to outsend every other country combined, usa biggest expence is their military which is a lot if they make 14 trillion a year

[Gigablue]

You kno Einstein was a very religious man and he had good reseasoning about it too.....thts all I have to say about tht...

No he wasn't. Einstein said he didn't believe in a personal god, and that he found the idea childlike. He believed in some sort of supernatural force present in the universe, but not one that intervened in everyday life. He usually self identified as an agnostic or a pantheist.

[Fractured Silhouette]

-Form a private army only loyal to me.
-Train them all to be extremely skilled.
-Kill everyone else in my country, leaving only the top scientific and engineering minds, ensure their loyalty.
-Do the same in any adjacent countries, recruiting those that I believe will be loyal.
-Move on to the other countries, continue recruiting and training.
-Make the total global population to about 3 billion.
-Put all research resources into developing settlements on the other planets.
-Make sure to have a heir, train him to think in the same way.
-Move to Mars.
-Die, have heir take over.
-My heir and my subsequent heirs of that heir keeps population at 3 billion and wait for the Earth to reach homoeostasis.
-Once reached, move half the population back to Earth.
-Win.

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[Zarakly]

I was on topic until they started posting about the taxing churches. Anyway If you were to withdraw all the military personel, wouldn't that just ruin everything that we have been doing there. They would be able to retake where we were and undo everything that we tried to do?

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[Zarakly]

Thats all I had a problem with :p I think your plan sounds great! And I wasn't exactly sure why were in Afghanistan honestly. I thought we were there for the poppyseed stuff or at least thats what i was told.

[Haufen]

-Close borders to all non-European immigration

-Remove the first law of our constition (against discrimination) and make our second law (ensuring freedom of speech) the first law

-Immediate deportation of non-Europeans already in here when committing a serious crime (robbery, murder, rape etc.)

-Start practicing 6 month peacetime conscription for all males done with highschool again

-Create 6 month non-military conscription (social work or something) for all females done with highschool

-Stop government taxpayer funding of religious schools

-Ban circumcision

-Ban the slaughter of animals without anesthesia

-Change the toleration policy of marihuana to full legalisation

[Gigablue]

-Close borders to all non-European immigration

-Remove the first law of our constition (against discrimination) and make our second law (ensuring freedom of speech) the first law

-Immediate deportation of non-Europeans already in here when committing a serious crime (robbery, murder, rape etc.)

-Reinstate 6 month peacetime conscription for all males done with highschool

-Create 6 month non-military conscription (social work or something) for all females done with highschool

-Stop government taxpayer funding of religious schools

-Ban circumcision

-Ban the slaughter of animals without anesthesia

-Change the toleration policy of marihuana to full legalisation

Why would you get rid of laws against discrimination? Also, isn't it sexist that men would have to be in the military but women don't? It seems to suggest that women are unable to serve in the military.

[Haufen]

Why would you get rid of laws against discrimination?

Well mostly verbal discrimination, the problem is that an opinion can be insulting or offensive.

I believe you should be allowed to say what you want, no matter how discriminating, offensive, or insulting it is.
People that want to drag people with an 'offensive' opinion to court are whiny moronic dictators.
And discrimination, offense and insult are quiet subjective terms.

Also, isn't it sexist that men would have to be in the military but women don't? It seems to suggest that women are unable to serve in the military.

Is it sexist to state facts?

Have you ever looked at militaries? Most of the militaries in the world don't allow women in the infantry for example, because they aren't physically strong enough for it.
The militaries who do allow women in those roles that women aren't fit for simply lower the physical requirements for all personnel and sometimes just for women (which is sexist to men).

Lowering the quality of a military and thus endangering lives of soldiers and innocents alike just to 'not be sexist' is simply madness.


But the main reason why I don't want military conscription for women is because most women themselves are simply not interested in the military and thus don't want it.

[CourtingErmine]

Well mostly verbal discrimination, the problem is that an opinion can be insulting or offensive.

I believe you should be allowed to say what you want, no matter how discriminating, offensive, or insulting it is.
People that want to drag people with an 'offensive' opinion to court are whiny moronic dictators.
And discrimination, offense and insult are quiet subjective terms.



Is it sexist to state facts?

Have you ever looked at militaries? Most of the militaries in the world don't allow women in the infantry for example, because they aren't physically strong enough for it.
The militaries who do allow women in those roles that women aren't fit for simply lower the physical requirements for all personnel and sometimes just for women (which is sexist to men).

Lowering the quality of a military and thus endangering lives of soldiers and innocents alike just to 'not be sexist' is simply madness.


But the main reason why I don't want military conscription for women is because most women themselves are simply not interested in the military and thus don't want it.

Lol, that's all I have to say about this. Look at how many women and men are in the military, a lot more than you think ate interested, about 45-50% of the Naval Academy, West Point, Air Force. You can't just say that without knowing what you're talking about. My family sponsors a lot of Midshipmen, and a lot of them are women. Just stop with that women thing, you're embarrassing yourself with this. A circumcision ban I agree with, but everything else, is just wtf.

On a side note, from looking at this thread, I am worried for the worlds future.

[Gigablue]

Is it sexist to state facts?

Have you ever looked at militaries? Most of the militaries in the world don't allow women in the infantry for example, because they aren't physically strong enough for it.
The militaries who do allow women in those roles that women aren't fit for simply lower the physical requirements for all personnel and sometimes just for women (which is sexist to men).

Lowering the quality of a military and thus endangering lives of soldiers and innocents alike just to 'not be sexist' is simply madness.


But the main reason why I don't want military conscription for women is because most women themselves are simply not interested in the military and thus don't want it.

Men might have more physical strength on average, but plenty of women are strong enough to join the military. There are also plenty do weak men who wouldn't be able serve well in the military.

Many men also don't want to join the military. Saying women don't want to join the military and men do is a huge overgeneralization. I don't think conscription should exist at all, but if it does, it should at least be fair.

[ECSTASY]

-making any religion and dressing style allowed(not just islamic :| )
-allowing raves and electro partiese
-allowing having girlfriend
-allowing gays and lesbians
-supporting artists,djs,and not accepted movie creators :|

[TheBigUnit]

No he wasn't. Einstein said he didn't believe in a personal god, and that he found the idea childlike. He believed in some sort of supernatural force present in the universe, but not one that intervened in everyday life. He usually self identified as an agnostic or a pantheist.

Well same with me, I believe in free wil etc, u know the level of perfection around us is baffling, I mean not my sexy looks but more like really everything,

suchas atoms, if u look at them closely if an electon or the mass of a proton it self ever so changes it will surely collapse and let to destruction everywhere, right?

What were the chances of humans living at almost the most perfect time in the universe when the sun is middle age and stable and our galaxy which it too is stable not a big glob of intense heat and supernove like other older galaxies

U kno stuff like tht, the perfection makes u think of something else is there, probably not a guy with ten arms and a third eye, but something...u kno u could very well say we don't kno how it is like in an unstable enviroment cuz we won't exist sorta like natural selection and by chance we are here but really I believe there is something,

I guess tht makes me a pathiest the opposite of and athiest

Einstein basically said his explanation by asking if u have a brain, do u know if your brain is there? (Well at tht time xray and all were primative,) how do u kno if it is there if u never saw it?...so on

[Syntax]

National police? Ugh ur gove way too dicitroiral


Let me ask you this. Is reorganizing and having a police force in your country too dictatorial?

I don't think so. Our country already has its own national police. It's necessary for our government to reorganize and to purge corrupt elements dwelling inside it because of the people's dissatisfaction with their performance and organization.

Ever heard of the hostage taking in Manila two years ago? You know what they did there? The acting ground commander who was from the National Police sent in a SWAT team instead of the Special Action Force - which was trained in dealing in these kind of situations - proved to be his downfall from his position. He disobeyed operational protocols and not only that, 8 Chinese nationals were killed.

The example I have said above pertains to the necessity for our government to reorganize, reform and retrain our police. To say that reorganizing and having a police force in a country as dictatorial is entirely fatuous.



Btw y does everybody wsnt to be so militaristic? Militaristic economies don't last long if you don't go to was. These nation don't want to go to war they have to ie. Rome, nazi, ussr, USA,



I really don't see much of your point there. Care to clarify it?

[TheBigUnit]

Well these nations built up their armies to a point that they won't profit unless they fight, eisenhower warned against our gov we have today a military industrial complex


As for the natl police doesnt really sound tht good really when it comes to riots etc idk it sound too oppressive by what all u were saying, local police will understand the local aws better, ur gov is too centralized

[CourtingErmine]

National police has its pros and cons, while the same thing with local police. Both can get easily corrupt, and it's harder to move up in the ranks at the national level. I do agree, something needs to be sine about the corruption, but not on the national level.

The US' military can make a lot more money than you think in peace time the home front. Also, what about deployments to other countries?

[TheBigUnit]

Deployment cost money cuz all their well being has to be taken care of, thts how rome crumbled fromthe hadrian wall down to rome,

[CourtingErmine]

With deployment also comes money. Yes, they have to pay for their well being, but the rewards are great. New ties/opportunities with other counties.

Another thing, type legibly, please, I can barely understand what you're saying. I'm sure others can barely read what you're saying. Grammar, every time you post, check you're grammar. This isn't texting, we dnt type lke ths. We type like this.

[Syntax]

Well these nations built up their armies to a point that they won't profit unless they fight, eisenhower warned against our gov we have today a military industrial complex

Isn't it the other way round? Nations will LOOSE money rather than earn in fighting wars? You need to support your troops through logistics and logistics comes at a very high price. Ammunition, weapons, clothing, repairs, food, etc. are what an army needs to fight a war.

As for the natl police doesnt really sound tht good really when it comes to riots etc idk it sound too oppressive by what all u were saying

Having a national police is no different from having a local police as what has CountingErmine said. Both are prone to corruption, whether you like it or not. Oppressive it may sound but institute reforms and you'll get results instead of oppression.

ur gov is too centralized

It's quite necessary in our current situation to have a centralized government because of the state of our provincial and regional economies.

Take for example, a province here has more resources than the province beside it. The other province has less resources than the richer province. Of course, the national government collects taxes from these provinces. Once these taxes are collected, a budget is given to the congressmen elected from that province to improve GOCs, infrastructure and the like. The poorer province also receives a bugdet for the same purpose. So, there is a chance that this poorer province will improve.

However, if you apply the federal system to our country, there are a lot of advantages but currently, it is not applicable for now. It's because if a poorer province is left alone to improve itself, then it will lack the necessary government funding. My point is that the federal system can benefit our country but not until all the provinces in our country have reached such a state that they are self sustaining.

[Professional Russian]

1.Make the military bigger and the best trained in the world.
2.Tax the fucking rich till they're poor so they know what its like.
3.with the riches money start trying to pay off national debt.
4.increase spending to military and schools
5.eliminate the U.S.s police force and replace it with MPs and National guard
6.Not have a fucking waiting period for guns
7.Cut spending to stupid stuff like the EPA and try to pay off national debt with that money as well.
8.Stop getting oil from the middle we'll keep our own oil.
9.Stop the war in the middle east until we get attacked again if we do.
10.Ban them damn foreign cars. i hat those things.legalize Moon shineing. we dont need a tax on alcohol.
11.try to fix the economy by makeing more jobs by increaseing the size of the military.
12.killing big corporations like wal mart
13.get rid of fucking well fare.
14.Hopefully make the U.S. Totally Independent from other countries

Eliminate the military or severely cut funding


Well thats fucking stupid

America:
- Reduce military spending by about 75%
- Eliminate the draft
- Legalize all drugs


Why? Just why? Why would you cut funding to the military? and legalize drugs. if it cant be taxed it cant be legal...except moon shineing ill legalize that.

[Cicero]

1.Make the military bigger and the best trained in the world.
2.Tax the fucking rich till they're poor so they know what its like.
3.with the riches money start trying to pay off national debt.
4.increase spending to military and schools
5.eliminate the U.S.s police force and replace it with MPs and National guard
6.Not have a fucking waiting period for guns
7.Cut spending to stupid stuff like the EPA and try to pay off national debt with that money as well.
8.Stop getting oil from the middle we'll keep our own oil.
9.Stop the war in the middle east until we get attacked again if we do.
10.Ban them damn foreign cars. i hat those things.legalize Moon shineing. we dont need a tax on alcohol.
11.try to fix the economy by makeing more jobs by increaseing the size of the military.
12.killing big corporations like wal mart
13.get rid of fucking well fare.
14.Hopefully make the U.S. Totally Independent from other countries



Well thats fucking stupid



Why? Just why? Why would you cut funding to the military? and legalize drugs. if it cant be taxed it cant be legal...except moon shineing ill legalize that.
Damn. I came on this thread to specifically read what you wrote, thinking I'd agree. Which on some of it I don't.

I agree, we shouldn't reduce the military spending by much. But reducing it a little I agree with.
We need the wealthy because they supply jobs. What about people like Mitt Romney who are self made? He originally was like everyone else, middle class. Then with hard work he became worth tons. It wouldn't be fair to him, or everyone else who worked hard for their money. Most of the rich supply the jobs, if he tax them so they're poor, where are the jobs? The government supplies a small fraction of jobs, certainly not enough to help everyone. McDonald's hires hundreds of millions of people, they were originally founded by people, who became extraordinarily wealthy because they worked hard. What about privately owned casinos? In Vegas their is about 8-10 casinos owned all by this one family, who privately own them. In fact, they supply about 500,000 jobs to Las Vegas people. If we were to tax them till they're poor, 500,000 people would lose they're jobs. People who own a small chain of restaurants (3-8 or around there) make a nice amount of money, they probably hire 20 people per restaurant, if we were to tax them enough so that they're poor, 60-160 people would lose they're jobs. This would happen to everyone, stock would go down a ton, then we have the great depression all over again.

If you supply more jobs for military, that would barely make a dent if everyone Lost their jobs cause the wealthy would lose they're wealth as well as they're companies. Then, all the wealthy people will be so scared, that they'll move to another country. Now, that's lessening the income for the government and they won't receive as much taxes. If the wealthy didn't have a passport, they would pay tons of money to make the process as short as possible. Which can definitely happen. As I said earlier, killi big corporation would strain the economy even more. Wal-Mart provides hundreds upon millions of jobs to many, many different people across the western states. They also provide low cost groceries to families on a budget.

Banning foreign cars would do gone of harm. Most every single car you see on the road is American made, oh, and btw, if you chose to take down big corporations, American made cars will eventually go out of business, cause they're ran by very wealthy people. To name a few foreign cars, there is Toyota (Lexus), Subaru, Scion, Mercedes-Benz (Maybach), Volkswagon (Bentley), BMW (Rolls Royce), and many, many more cars. Most cars on the road you see are one of those cars, the only American made cars I can think of are Cadillacs, Jaguars, and Fords.

If we legalize many drugs, we can tax them, therefor, make more income do the government, it will also save jails money, cause they won't have to waste money holding people who do marijuana or shrooms or whatever. In fact, it could probably get California out of debt, that's how much money it would bring in and save the US.

[Sugaree]

1.Make the military bigger and the best trained in the world.
2.Tax the fucking rich till they're poor so they know what its like.
3.with the riches money start trying to pay off national debt.
4.increase spending to military and schools
5.eliminate the U.S.s police force and replace it with MPs and National guard
6.Not have a fucking waiting period for guns
7.Cut spending to stupid stuff like the EPA and try to pay off national debt with that money as well.
8.Stop getting oil from the middle we'll keep our own oil.
9.Stop the war in the middle east until we get attacked again if we do.
10.Ban them damn foreign cars. i hat those things.legalize Moon shineing. we dont need a tax on alcohol.
11.try to fix the economy by makeing more jobs by increaseing the size of the military.
12.killing big corporations like wal mart
13.get rid of fucking well fare.
14.Hopefully make the U.S. Totally Independent from other countries

Jesus Christ, this post frightens me.

1. The military doesn't need to be any fucking bigger than it is; the U.S. is second only to China in the size of military, we don't need to compete with that.

2. The rich (those who make above 250k a year) pay much more on average than the middle class family. Inflation has made it seem as if the rich are paying less than they should when most of them are paying about 16 or 17% each year in taxes AFTER deductions.

3. Noble. Point left alone.

4. Schools do need more money, but the federal government does not need to be involved in education. Just a century ago, schools relied on state governments for funding, which kept the educational system out of becoming a bureaucracy. Now that they rely on the federal government, it's left up to senseless bureaucrats to decide who gets money. Military already gets up towards 1 trillion (yes, TRILLION) dollars a year in funding; they have enough to pay the bills and then some.

5. Just say it: you want a police state. You want people to be guarded around the clock by military police and National Guard in the interest of "national security". You want the people of the United States to revolt? Put them under MP control and see what happens.

6. No. Stop bringing guns into everything. The waiting period on guns should be mandatory for proper background checking.

7. You know what happens if the EPA is gone, right? That would allow oil, waste management, and other such companies to dump all their unused resources (most of it hazardous to the environment AND humans) anywhere they want for as long as they want. Imagine the BP oil spill of 2010 without anyone trying to fix the leak or clean up what was left. I suppose you'll want to get rid of the FDA next because OBVIOUSLY that's useless spending too.

8. Point left alone.

9. You were for the wars first, now you're against them. Yeah, I'm not gonna touch this.

10. Foreign cars are actually developing much faster than cars made here in the United States. Hell, many parts of civilized Asia are running on electric cars and have been for the better part of the last decade. Why can't we do the same? Moonshining and taxes on alcohol also have no correlation to each other, try again Sarge.

11. Here, I'll put this in all caps so I know you'll read it: THE MILITARY DOES NOT EQUAL THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES. DO YOU GET IT NOW? That would force everyone to go into the military JUST for a fucking job. You actually think people will do that?

12. And eliminate more than half of the workforce? Yeah, nice economics, Sarge.

13. And force more people into poverty and homelessness? Yeah, great social programs man.

14. Point left alone.

tl;dr you are a brainwashed far-right neo-conservative who puts his trust in institutions that should never be fully trusted

[Professional Russian]

I have to think this over really hard. ill come back to you with a response tomorrow.

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[CourtingErmine]

You are very politically confused.

Some points are good, some are ok, and others are just plain stupid, like killing off Walmart.

[Korashk]

1.Make the military bigger and the best trained in the world.
2.Tax the fucking rich till they're poor so they know what its like.
3.with the riches money start trying to pay off national debt.
4.increase spending to military and schools
5.eliminate the U.S.s police force and replace it with MPs and National guard
6.Not have a fucking waiting period for guns
7.Cut spending to stupid stuff like the EPA and try to pay off national debt with that money as well.
8.Stop getting oil from the middle we'll keep our own oil.
9.Stop the war in the middle east until we get attacked again if we do.
10.Ban them damn foreign cars. i hat those things.legalize Moon shineing. we dont need a tax on alcohol.
11.try to fix the economy by makeing more jobs by increaseing the size of the military.
12.killing big corporations like wal mart
13.get rid of fucking well fare.
14.Hopefully make the U.S. Totally Independent from other countries
I'm not even going to address how doing most this would all but destroy America. It'll take too long and you won't care.

Why? Just why? Why would you cut funding to the military?
Because the military is too goddamn huge for absolutely no reason. That 75% reduction I was talking about would still leave America with the biggest military in the world by a pretty significant margin. Wars aren't won with manpower and armaments anymore. Nukes pretty much rule the field.

and legalize drugs. if it cant be taxed it cant be legal...except moon shineing ill legalize that.
What are you talking about? Why do you think drugs are untaxable? Even if you couldn't tax drugs, why is that a reason for them to be illegal?

1. The military doesn't need to be any fucking bigger than it is; the U.S. is second only to China in the size of military, we don't need to compete with that.
Not true at all. The US military is WAY bigger than China's. We just have less service members.

[CourtingErmine]

Well, Obama cut our nuclear war heads by 70%, 5000-1500, which in my opinion, HUGE mistake, when WWIII broke out, and it will, trust me, it will, we will need those war heads, and use them before anyone else can. Just saying, we don't have the most nukes anymore. Who knows how many nukes Iran has right now, they could have 2000 by now.

[Korashk]

Well, Obama cut our nuclear war heads by 70%, 5000-1500, which in my opinion, HUGE mistake, when WWIII broke out, and it will, trust me, it will, we will need those war heads, and use them before anyone else can. Just saying, we don't have the most nukes anymore. Who knows how many nukes Iran has right now, they could have 2000 by now.
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[Sugaree]

Well, Obama cut our nuclear war heads by 70%, 5000-1500, which in my opinion, HUGE mistake, when WWIII broke out, and it will, trust me, it will, we will need those war heads, and use them before anyone else can. Just saying, we don't have the most nukes anymore. Who knows how many nukes Iran has right now, they could have 2000 by now.

>he thinks Iran has nuclear warheads

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[TheBigUnit]

With deployment also comes money. Yes, they have to pay for their well being, but the rewards are great. New ties/opportunities with other counties.

Another thing, type legibly, please, I can barely understand what you're saying. I'm sure others can barely read what you're saying. Grammar, every time you post, check you're grammar. This isn't texting, we dnt type lke ths. We type like this.

Really man how old r u ha? Bet u I'm in a higher english class than u r, and prob got a higher SAT score than u including english, u sound like an idiot correcting me in a teen forum, I type like this mainly tho cuz I use my phone and it has a crappy keyboard,

Well, Obama cut our nuclear war heads by 70%, 5000-1500, which in my opinion, HUGE mistake, when WWIII broke out, and it will, trust me, it will, we will need those war heads, and use them before anyone else can. Just saying, we don't have the most nukes anymore. Who knows how many nukes Iran has right now, they could have 2000 by now

Your kidding rite?!?:confused: Also u should understand how nukes r made and nuke capacity and y usa had actually like 9000 nukes and y taking 75 percent will make no diffrence

Isn't it the other way round? Nations will LOOSE money rather than earn in fighting wars? You need to support your troops through logistics and logistics comes at a very high price. Ammunition, weapons, clothing, repairs, food, etc. are what an army needs to fight a war.

I mean ur rite I'm not diagreeing with anything ur saying but it depend on what you gain really and if it was worth the war ex. Wwii the first half germany profitted tenfold, ex. Soviet afghan war, major hit on economy

Btw I believe a moderatly centralized gov is best otherwise if too centralized the gov it self will be too corrupted,and treated like a big bussiness,

Someone pls explain how u profit from deploying

@proffesionalRussian ur post so far wa the best haha, I'm suppose to sense the sarcasm rite?

[darkwoon]

Someone pls explain how u profit from deploying
There is always profit expected when you start an offensive war. It can be a better strategical position; it can be territorial gains; it can be an economical gain; it can be political domination; etc. "Profit" here doesn't necessarily mean "money".

There are wars in which the aggressor came out with no gain - that's what's called "loosing a war" ;).

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[Kacey]

There is always profit expected when you start an offensive war. It can be a better strategical position; it can be territorial gains; it can be an economical gain; it can be political domination; etc. "Profit" here doesn't necessarily mean "money".

There are wars in which the aggressor came out with no gain - that's what's called "loosing a war" ;).

I think deploying he meant send troops to like japan and south korea, does those nations pay us for tht?

[Sugaree]

I think deploying he meant send troops to like japan and south korea, does those nations pay us for tht?

No, they don't. The reason we send troops to countries like Japan and South Korea is because we have vetted interests there thanks to wars which resulted in treaties.

[Professional Russian]

@proffesionalRussian ur post so far wa the best haha, I'm suppose to sense the sarcasm rite?

no i was dead serious. thats my thought process. thats what i think.

[Haufen]

Many men also don't want to join the military. Saying women don't want to join the military and men do is a huge overgeneralization. I don't think conscription should exist at all, but if it does, it should at least be fair.

None of the girls or women I know are even slightly interested in voluntary military, so forget about conscription, while all men I know have atleast a bit of an interest in the military.

You also seem to forget that you live in Canada and I in the Netherlands, I don't know how the gender roles work with jobs and so on there, but most women here work part-time while men work full-time for example. The cultures are obviously quite different.

I have also spoken to an Israeli girl once who wasn't at all looking forward to her military service (and neither did her friends) (Israel has military service for both men and women).

[CourtingErmine]

None of the girls or women I know are even slightly interested in voluntary military, so forget about conscription, while all men I know have atleast a bit of an interest in the military.

You also seem to forget that you live in Canada and I in the Netherlands, I don't know how the gender roles work with jobs and so on there, but most women here work part-time while men work full-time for example. The cultures are obviously quite different.

I have also spoken to an Israeli girl once who wasn't at all looking forward to her military service (and neither did her friends) (Israel has military service for both men and women).

I live in America, and many women want to volunteer. I would if I could, but I have asthma, and I've had prior major surgery, so they would never accept me.

[james wolf]

1.Make the military bigger and the best trained in the world.
2.Tax the fucking rich till they're poor so they know what its like.
3.with the riches money start trying to pay off national debt.
4.increase spending to military and schools
5.eliminate the U.S.s police force and replace it with MPs and National guard
6.Not have a fucking waiting period for guns
7.Cut spending to stupid stuff like the EPA and try to pay off national debt with that money as well.
8.Stop getting oil from the middle we'll keep our own oil.
9.Stop the war in the middle east until we get attacked again if we do.
10.Ban them damn foreign cars. i hat those things.legalize Moon shineing. we dont need a tax on alcohol.
11.try to fix the economy by makeing more jobs by increaseing the size of the military.
12.killing big corporations like wal mart
13.get rid of fucking well fare.
14.Hopefully make the U.S. Totally Independent from other countries


Questions: Why do you want to increase your military? Only for jobs?
What is the EPA?
How is the US not independent now?
You do realise if you tax the hell out of the rich, they will simply leave, have you seen what's happening in France?
Why don't you need a tax on alcohol? It will help reduce the national debt.
And finally,

Are you left or right wing? You seem to have some radical anti-captilist/communist (shutting down big co-operations) but then you seem to be quite anti-communist by cutting welfare?

That reminds me another thing: You wanna tax the rich so they know what it's like to be poor, but you get rid of welfare so you obviously don't care for the poor, quite hypocritical.

You know, I am starting to think your a troll, with this and your whole view on Obama being shit and Romney being shit.

[Professional Russian]

Questions: Why do you want to increase your military? Only for jobs?
What is the EPA?
How is the US not independent now?
You do realise if you tax the hell out of the rich, they will simply leave, have you seen what's happening in France?
Why don't you need a tax on alcohol? It will help reduce the national debt.
And finally,

Are you left or right wing? You seem to have some radical anti-captilist/communist (shutting down big co-operations) but then you seem to be quite anti-communist by cutting welfare?

That reminds me another thing: You wanna tax the rich so they know what it's like to be poor, but you get rid of welfare so you obviously don't care for the poor, quite hypocritical.

You know, I am starting to think your a troll, with this and your whole view on Obama being shit and Romney being shit.

I dont know what the fuck iam. i think what i think i have my opinions. obama and romney are both idiots and dont deserve to be in the white house. no i am not a troll. EPA= Environmental Protection Agency. Welfare is a waste of money which mostly goes to lazy people that dont want to get up to get up and go to work. Welfare isnt for the poor. its for the lazy. 99 out every 100 people on welfare are just plain out lazy and dont want to work.(that cant be backed up but its most likely true)

[Korashk]

Welfare is a waste of money which mostly goes to lazy people that dont want to get up to get up and go to work. Welfare isnt for the poor. its for the lazy. 99 out every 100 people on welfare are just plain out lazy and dont want to work.(that cant be backed up but its most likely true)
I, and many others, have shown you with data that this belief is objectively false.

[Professional Russian]

I, and many others, have shown you with data that this belief is objectively false.

So you're telling me that every person welfare deserves it? Truely i want to know what drug you're on so i can think like and think the world is a perfect beautiful place

[Korashk]

So you're telling me that every person welfare deserves it? Truely i want to know what drug you're on so i can think like and think the world is a perfect beautiful place
No, we've shown you that the percentage of people who abuse the system, ie. just use it to get free money and don't try to find jobs, Is significantly lower than what you claim. I can't remember the number, but I'm pretty sure it's less than 10% of the people on welfare abuse it. We've also explained to you that a significant portion of people on welfare HAVE jobs and use welfare as supplemental income to support their families.

[Professional Russian]

I, and many others, have shown you with data that this belief is objectively false.

No, we've shown you that the percentage of people who abuse the system, ie. just use it to get free money and don't try to find jobs, Is significantly lower than what you claim. I can't remember the number, but I'm pretty sure it's less than 10% of the people on welfare abuse it. We've also explained to you that a significant portion of people on welfare HAVE jobs and use welfare as supplemental income to support their families.

thats so much fucking bullshit. they claim to have "Illnesses" they just know how to work the system and get money for sitting on their ass. there are few that have legitimate reasons but the most of its a bunch of bulshit

[Korashk]

thats so much fucking bullshit. they claim to have "Illnesses" they just know how to work the system and get money for sitting on their ass. there are few that have legitimate reasons but the most of its a bunch of bulshit
We've shown you the studies and census data. Call bullshit all you want, it just makes you look worse and worse. You didn't even touch on the ones that have jobs.

[Professional Russian]

We've shown you the studies and census data. Call bullshit all you want, it just makes you look worse and worse. You didn't even touch on the ones that have jobs.

Its people working the fucking system that are lazy. my moms fucking sister did it. i knwo for a fact people. not all them do it but alot of them fucking do it

[Korashk]

Its people working the fucking system that are lazy. my moms fucking sister did it. i knwo for a fact people. not all them do it but alot of them fucking do it
Well, I'll agree that a lot of them do abuse the system. 10% of all welfare recipients is like 3 million people, which is a lot.

[Professional Russian]

Well, I'll agree that a lot of them do abuse the system. 10% of all welfare recipients is like 3 million people, which is a lot.

Yes people abuse the system which is fucked up

[Korashk]

Yes people abuse the system which is fucked up
And...? You're going to have to get over it. Some people abuse every system that exists. That doesn't mean that we should get rid of every system. I happen to agree that welfare should be abolished, but I have actual thought out reasons.

[Professional Russian]

And...? You're going to have to get over it. Some people abuse every system that exists. That doesn't mean that we should get rid of every system. I happen to agree that welfare should be abolished, but I have actual thought out reasons.

Yeah you take the money from welfare and pay the nation debt with it

[Silicate Wielder]

make the country very technologically advanced
Along with the old fashioned methods of proucing electricity I would make it a law that all buildings use solar energy in some way. as well as use alot of renewable energy sources such as water, wind use the new cloth that turns heat into energy.
use all electric cars except for those with a license
make healther care affordable

[Professional Russian]

make the country very technologically advanced


that will make less jobs and make this country worse.

[CourtingErmine]

that will make less jobs and make this country worse.

This is true, but it will happen. There's no way for civilization to stop developing, there's no way.

[Professional Russian]

This is true, but it will happen. There's no way for civilization to stop developing, there's no way.

We dont have to makeing everything computerized

[CourtingErmine]

We dont have to makeing everything computerized

You aren't going to stop them, there's no way. Again, you can't stop the development of mankind. It's impossible. Computers make everything easier and better, not to mention fun, so there will always be a demand for it. The devs won't even stop if they wanted to, the demand wool be too high because of all of those lazy bums that sit on their ass all day long.