3 British soldiers die in American friendly fire incident

[dannyley]

Three British soldiers died and a further two were injured after the troops were attacked during a routine patrol northwest of Kajaki in southern Afghanistan on thursday 23rd August. They came into an intensive fight and during the fight they called in close air-support of two f-15 U.S aircraft, when comming into support them in a battle against the tailban, the f-15's dropped a single bomb on the british forces,

a spokesman said 'we called in fire onto what this case was the tailban.......either the posistion was inaccurate or their was a problem with the bomb'

This brings the total number of British deaths in Afghanistan since the Taliban toppled in 2001 to 73

The ministry of defence has launched an investigation into the incident.

[Crazysam]

This makes me feel guilty (as i am a member of the TA) but doesn't this just show that americans really can't aims thier guns? this has happened so many times now its getting ridicolous!

[Maverick]

doesn't this just show that americans really can't aims thier guns? !
Oh yes from a few legit accidents that must mean the whole American army must be improperly trained and the only army in history to have incidents like this. :rolleyes:

That is such an ignorant statement to judge the whole entire American army like that. Makes a lot of sense that the one of the strongest armies in the world can't do a simple task of aiming a gun. :rolleyes:

[dannyley]

well it is true, what would happen if it was a british fighter that dropped a bomb on the americans? how much controversy would that bring?

[Crazysam]

yeah if we "accidentally" dropped a bomb on you lot as "friendly fire" im pretty sure we'd have a nuke or two coming our way.

also this has happened more than 4 times now in one war! and we haven't shot any of you americans. So may i suggest that you actually start to teach your marines how to line thier sights. Because i can absolutely gaurantee that me and my division in the territorial army could outshoot any of your american platoons... bar the snipers lol :D

[Maverick]

So may i suggest that you actually start to teach your marines how to line thier sights.
Like I'm sure the United States Marines is going to take advice from a little 14 year old boy. You don't know everything and just because you make accusations with no backing doesn't necessarily mean they're true.

So if I take your word that this happened 4 times and you claim that is such a high number for 'one war' as you suprisingly put it, you realize that this war has been going on since 2001? Nearly 6 years? Are you aware that accidents do happen in wars althroughout history? Yes even you almightly Brits have! :eek: Of course you don't because you're only 14 and only just started paying attention to more than just what's on the Disney channnel and Nickelodeon.

There are way more Americans than there British in Iraq/Afghanistan so the chances of a Brittish friendly firing is much less. Also the Americans are the lead supplier in military forces and supplies so there isn't much oppurtunity for the British.

In war there are so many factors and pressures that go on that you can only dream of. It's a life and death situation constantly 24/7 and there isn't a lot of time to rationally think out each action. Also, equipment can be faulty and you're under a lot of pressure not to screw up but it happens.

It's a harsh circumstance to be under and you make it seem as if a bunch of Americans are constantly goofing off like a bunch of idiots who were just given a gun or a F-15. That is not the case. The United States Marines is the toughest branch of the military to get in. A lot of those don't get passed training and the ones who do make it and graduate are among the most skilled soilders. But this isn't about the Marines, yet proves your ignorance.

well it is true, what would happen if it was a british fighter that dropped a bomb on the americans? how much controversy would that bring?
Oh yeah because a few dead Brittish soliders versus a bomb killing up to hundreds and possibly injuring thousands is a very good comparision. :rolleyes: I can care less about 'what ifs' because they don't say anything and are only a desperate attempt to discredit someone or something rather than provide facts in *likely* circumstances.

As for your territorial army, have they been to Iraq/Afghanistan and been under similar circumstances and pressures? No? Well I don't care then because it's not a fair comparison.

[dannyley]

yes the TA have acually been to iraq and afghanistan, they are actually been used as poper soldiers and doing the joobs of fully qualified soldiers, even though the TA only get about 1weekends training a year,

so now whos the one presenting information and not backing it up? you

[Maverick]

yes the TA have acually been to iraq and afghanistan, they are actually been used as poper soldiers and doing the joobs of fully qualified soldiers, even though the TA only get about 1weekends training a year,

so now whos the one presenting information and not backing it up? you
Hmmm but do these TA people fly F-15s and launch bombs?

[Whisper]

accidence's happen I remember an American dropped a bomb right on top of Canadian soldiers just doing a live fire excersize he was ordered not to but America gives there fighter pilots drugs to speed up reaction times and it allows them to stay up for much much longer

it also makes them a lil paranoid and scared
he saw gun shots he though he was being fired on command told him it was Canadians on a live fire excersize he told them they were wrong and dropped the bomb


He was stressed out, on drugs and scared
shit happens all the Canadian soldiers that lost there lives in that accident are now the only foreign names engraved on the wall

Its a war
accidence happen

[dannyley]

Hmmm but do these TA people fly F-15s and launch bombs?

well. hmmmmmmm let me think, oh as their are some volunteers in the AAC i would say yes

[Whisper]

no weekend soldiers are NOT fighter pilots
they might do refueling and shit like that ON THE GROUND
but they do NOT fly nor navigate

[dannyley]

theyre not weekend soldiers, they are reserves, and make up 1/4 of the british army

[Whisper]

okay well I don't even know how much it would cost to train a fighter jet but to give you an example to train a pilot for a sea stallion ONE pilot your looking at 400,000.00$ US minimum
not to mention all the hours

Reserves are NOT pilots

[Crazysam]

Hmmm but do these TA people fly F-15s and launch bombs?
ok everyone please stop spreading rumors about the TA if you want to know anything about them just ask me after all i am in it! :D

as for whisper... 400,000.00$ for one i think theyre completely wasting thier money Whos the instructor a blind ape?
and if you want to say anything more you shouldnt be saying this to me. You should be saying this to my seargant kiraku or captian skee or even corpral brown (my right hand man :P) or maybee even the rest of my division (250+ members) and see what they do to ya i can assure you it wouldn't be verry pleasant.

[Whisper]

First of all you've obviously never seen a Sea Stallion....it's very big....every single limb has to move independently from one another at all times inorder to maintain control, i'm not talking about a lil R22

ahhh so the british sends 14yr old kids into war zones flying fighter jets.....?


I'm not saying the british have a shitty millitary on the contrary I like it quite a bit
and i'm not saying what happened was in any way shape or form there fault
it was an ACCIDENT it was nobodys fault!
accident....ya

What I'm saying is they don't train reserves to FLY fighter jets
you dont hand over a million dollar piece of equipment to a reserve
its simply not worth the cost of training the reserve nor is it as reliable
If your a fighter pilot your IN the air force full time

I love how you guys started slamming America's military when they have one of the largest, most advanced and well funded armed forces on the planet
and yet I'm the idiot
interesting


As for the last part never threaten unless you can follow through...makes you look weak

[Maverick]

if you want to say anything more you shouldnt be saying this to me. You should be saying this to my seargant kiraku or captian skee or even corpral brown (my right hand man :P) or maybee even the rest of my division (250+ members) and see what they do to ya i can assure you it wouldn't be verry pleasant.
I certainly hope so with the odds of 250 people against one of us. :D

I love how you guys started slamming America's military when they have one of the largest, most advanced and well funded armed forces on the planet
and yet I'm the idiot
interesting
QTF. Glad you found this thread. :cool:

[Crazysam]

well we really have started a little war hear haven't we...

first of britain does not send 14 year olds off to war even if they wanted to. As i said im in a cadet division where people are taught how to shoot keep fit and recieve basic firearm and miliary training. It makes em tough for when there 18 and they if they choose join the standard forces and then there is a possibilty they could be sent out to help the war effort.

now to end all im going to say for this topic is if i was fighting in afganistan and me and my squad hit some trouble i would not call in american air support...

[Whisper]

Have you bothered to try and see both sides of the story?
Like have you bothered to see how many British squadrons had there asses saved by American air support?
The same thing happened to Canadian soldiers cept they were just doing an excersize no enemy's period within miles n miles
The pilot was scared and drugged, hes human he made a mistake
There fighter jets have saved many many Canadian lives since
I trust them

[dannyley]

its obviou now, i mean come on, u say reseerves arnt supposed to be given planes, but still they allow pilots drugged up to their eyeballs to fly them?

[Whisper]

omg u git
you do it to!
Every country with a modern army does
its like a caffine pill with a lil extra sumthin sumthin
its been like that for decades
....jesus

Like you've never had a pilot make a mistake!
Its called an ACCIDENT
get over it!

[dannyley]

yes we do it i never said we didnt, but to dope some1 up then stick them in a $4000000 plane is juat sad

nope i have never had a pilot make a mistake....ohhhhh thats because i aint incharge of any!

i would get over it, but my pilot made a mistake and forgot to send me the equipment needed to make a bridge