Abortion? Who decision is it?

[Alliegator]

Okay, so today I saw this post that said that if a girl is pregnant then the guy should have a say before the abortion happens and I completely dissagreed with it and I want to know what you think.
Personally, I think if it's not your vagina you get 0% say on if someone can have an abortion or not (assuming the person is 18). What do you guys think?

[lou lou]

well I think the guy has a say in it because its his child

[The Chameleon]

Its the woman's choice! Even if the man has to be one of the parents the woman has to aswell and the man isn't the one giving birth.

[Alliegator]

well I think the guy has a say in it because its his child

It's not his child, it's not even a child, it's a fetus. Nobody aborts a child, nobody aborts a baby. People abort fetuses. It's not living yet.

[CyanideGoodnight]

If it were me, I'd at least tell him. I'd talk it out and we'd probably make a decision TOGETHER. That's how I'd work it out.

However, I know, understand, and respect the fact this isn't the case always. That's ok. Ultimately, it's the girl's choice because it's HER body. SHE'S the one who has to carry the child full-term and SHE'S the one who will have to give birth to the child.

[Stryker125]

It's just as much his kid as it is hers. Unless he's nowhere to be found, it's pretty fucked up to tell a guy he doesn't get to have a say in whether he gets to have a kid or not.

[Alliegator]

It's just as much his kid as it is hers. Unless he's nowhere to be found, it's pretty fucked up to tell a guy he doesn't get to have a say in whether he gets to have a kid or not.

I agree, but im talking about like the girl wants an abortion, the guy doesnt type of situation. I mean of course at least let them know what youre decision is and yeah its more rational to talk about it.

[West Coast Sheriff]

well I think the guy has a say in it because its his child

If the guy I swilling 2 pay child support he has a say but if he's never gonna sho up again then he has no say-so.

[Gigablue]

Men don't have to carry a fetus for nine months then give birth. While the fetus is genetically half his, the burden to carry it falls on the mother. The man shouldn't really get a say in the decision. Obviously it would be better if the man and woman agree on the decision, but the mother's opinion is always more important.

[Alliegator]

Men don't have to carry a fetus for nine months then give birth. While the fetus is genetically half his, the burden to carry it falls on the mother. The man shouldn't really get a say in the decision. Obviously it would be better if the man and woman agree on the decision, but the mother's opinion is always more important.

Thank i couldnt have stated it better

[Stryker125]

I agree, but im talking about like the girl wants an abortion, the guy doesnt type of situation. I mean of course at least let them know what youre decision is and yeah its more rational to talk about it.

It should probably be the mother's final decision, seeing as she has to carry it. But the father shouldn't just be left out on the whole thing. Even if they disagree, she should at least try to talk it out with him.

[FreeFall]

The man, in my own opinion, does not get a say unless asked for input, sorry.
The woman's body is the one that will be changing and house the baby til birth.
Her hormones will go crazy, she will feel pain, her blood supply will increase, she will have vomiting, her breasts will begin to create milk for the fetus if not aborted, her diet will change, she may be put on bed rest, her cervix will be the one that dilates, she's got a 50% chance of random hemorrhoids, her nutrients will be supplying the fetus, she will have the contractions, she'll have to go through labor which can take many hours, she may have PPD after birth, she may tear during delivery requiring stitching, she may have an episiotomy and have to heal from that, she may have to have a c-section and have to heal from that. Men's role in pregnancy if they're not going to stick around and be there, is done after fertilization.
That's my opinion on it anyways.

[Korashk]

I agree, which is why I think the guy should have equal opportunity to opt out of the situation.

[Mortal Coil]

Guys should at least get to pitch in. I'm not saying it's entirely their decision, but it is the man's potential future child as well. It contains his genetic material and the man can be just as emotionally invested as the woman.

[MisterSix]

Lets turn that around
If the guy doesn't want the kid and the chick does, does that mean he doesn't have to pay child support?

[workingatperfect]

I think the dad should get a say in it. Like, what if the girl wants to abort it because she can't take care of the kid or doesn't want it, but the guy does want the kid and can support it. Assuming there are no major health risks for her, it's not really fair for her to take that away from him. It may be her body, but the child is both of theirs and they should both get a say in it.

[sammy1996]

If the female wants to abort her opinion is more dominant but i think the female should atleast consider the male opinion on the matter. If the female wants a child but the male does not i think it us unfair that he is kind of trapped and must pay and be obligated to care for the child etc

[Jess]

maybe the guy should have a say, but ultimately, it's the woman's choice. it's HER body, and HER choice. no one should make the decision for her.

[Bath]

I agree with Jess. The guy can tell her his opinion on it all he wants, but if the woman disagrees, she disagrees. If she wants an abortion but he wants to keep it, oh fucking well. He's not carrying it around for 9 months then pushing it out of his vagina.

Same goes for if he wants her to get an abortion but she wants to keep it, she's gonna keep it. Ultimately, she's carrying the fetus, she decides what happens to it for the extent that she can.

[Human]

It's as much of the mans decision, it's 50% his and 50% hers. Unless she was raped then there needs to be a agreement. If they don't agree with each other, too bad they're gonna have to wait it through and they shouldn't of been dumb :P
But at the end of the day, I'm not really bothered what stupid people do (unless the condom broke or something)

[FreeFall]

I hate when people say "They shouldn't have been dumb". Unprotected sex is dumb yes, but when your condom rips were you being stupid? When the birth control fails, was she being stupid? If she had her tubes tied and somehow the egg managed to slip past nonetheless, how was that stupid? And a baby is not a sort of punishment. A baby is a baby. It is not something to wait out and incubate while wishing the birth control methods hadn't failed if any were used.

[Gigablue]

If they don't agree with each other, too bad they're gonna have to wait it through and they shouldn't of been dumb :P

They were probably stupid, though birth control can sometimes fail, but having to raise a child for 18 years isn't a fair punishment for a one time mistake. Also, by forcing them to have a child they don't want, the child gets punished as well.

[Alliegator]

It's as much of the mans decision, it's 50% his and 50% hers. Unless she was raped then there needs to be a agreement. If they don't agree with each other, too bad they're gonna have to wait it through and they shouldn't of been dumb :P
But at the end of the day, I'm not really bothered what stupid people do (unless the condom broke or something)

What how is it as much of the man's decision, again like everyone else stated, he doesnt have to deal with any consequences or difficulties of being pregnant giving birth. it should be more like 90% 10% at most.

[jojorob]

if it was consentual 50/50
otherwise womans

[Gigablue]

if it was consentual 50/50
otherwise womans

What happens if one wants an abortion and the other doesn't? Who gets to break the tie?

[azorne]

I think the decision should be split. While I understand that the woman will go through the pain, you do realize that a child cannot be the product of just the woman; both have responsibilities, and as a result, both have rights.

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[xXJust Jump ItXx]

If it were me, I'd at least tell him. I'd talk it out and we'd probably make a decision TOGETHER. That's how I'd work it out.

However, I know, understand, and respect the fact this isn't the case always. That's ok. Ultimately, it's the girl's choice because it's HER body. SHE'S the one who has to carry the child full-term and SHE'S the one who will have to give birth to the child.

Basically right here... If she could, talk to him about it unless he ran off. Its her choice, her body. And shes gotta give birth to it and raise it and if he ran off and isnt there, she shouldnt have to if she doenst want to or cant! And Im gonna disagree with the fetus isnt alive... what is the definition of a living thing now? "The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional..." Being living is the same.... but a fetus as a mass of cells or nearly to 9 months is a growing thing and has functionality depending on the stage.

[huginnmuninn]

If the woman decides she wants nothing to do with the baby she should be able to have an abortion. But at the same time if the guy decides he wants nothing to do with the child then he shouldn't have to take care of it or pay for it

[LuciferSam]

It's not his child, it's not even a child, it's a fetus. Nobody aborts a child, nobody aborts a baby. People abort fetuses. It's not living yet.

It certainly IS living. Anything with dividing biological cells is considered living. I support abortion only if the pregnancy is a result of rape, and even then, only if one is incapable of supporting the child once it's born. I don't think it's right to kill something just because it's inconvenient.

[Syvelocin]

I do agree the woman gets the final choice, but I think men should also get the choice to declaim responsibility for the child in the case that he's pushing abortion and she isn't. Guys are powerless otherwise and it is a bit of a double standard. Women can decide if they have the child but the man has no choice but to pay for it? Nope. I think that should be limited of course though, he can't just pull out whenever he'd like to. Like maybe a birth deadline or something, whether to be considered the legal father and pay child support or to remove himself from the equation.

But yeah, the woman has to carry the thing for nine months so it's her final decision. I'd recommend talking about it with him still.

[AppealToReason]

What how is it as much of the man's decision, again like everyone else stated, he doesnt have to deal with any consequences or difficulties of being pregnant giving birth. it should be more like 90% 10% at most.
No, but he is going to have to support the child until their kid becomes an adult, so the woman should have the decency to talk to him and be open to all options before she decides anything.

[Carlsen]

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It is the girls decision to have the baby. If the girl want to have the baby, the guy and the girl should talk together abaout this.



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[dmb1996]

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