Child Labor Laws

[Professional Russian]

I dont like child labor laws. the way i see it if i want to go work i at 15 i should be able to go work at 15 with no questions asked. What brought this too my mind way my mom just called me and told me to go t the Hershey branch and help the guy in the freezer since 2 guys walked out last night. I said i better be getting paid she said i probably wont since i'm underaged. now i enjoy working in the Hershey freezer. do you think that if someones underaged and want to work they should be able to work or should it still be illegal?

[Stryker125]

I dont like child labor laws. the way i see it if i want to go work i at 15 i should be able to go work at 15 with no questions asked. What brought this too my mind way my mom just called me and told me to go t the Hershey branch and help the guy in the freezer since 2 guys walked out last night. I said i better be getting paid she said i probably wont since i'm underaged. now i enjoy working in the Hershey freezer. do you think that if someones underaged and want to work they should be able to work or should it still be illegal?

Well here in Maryland, you can start working at the age of 14 as long as you have a work permit, which basically is in place to keep them from overworking you (more than 20 hours a week I think). But most places here don't hire until 16, so you'd have a bit of a rough time finding a job. Maybe your state has sort of the same thing, it's at least worth looking into.

[FreeFall]

I agree, I wish there were more leeway.
Conditions are much, much safer than the times when those laws were made for (barefeet children operating heavy dangerous machinery in dirty conditions) and there's no way a child need to be around the heavy equipment anymore. 12 year olds and younger should and can be hired in my opinion. I'm not saying give them cash register duties but they're perfectly capable of cleaning, stocking small items, feeding small furry animals, folding clothes and helping customers open changing room doors.
My sociology class also showed me another side to it. There's a poor family. Mom and Dad are scraping by, the child works too. Child labor laws force child to stop working, poor family become poorer.
Give them short hours, give them minimum wage, give them juice box breaks. I don't see the issue anymore.

[Professional Russian]

I agree, I wish there were more leeway.
Conditions are much, much safer than the times when those laws were made for (barefeet children operating heavy dangerous machinery in dirty conditions) and there's no way a child need to be around the heavy equipment anymore. 12 year olds and younger should and can be hired in my opinion. I'm not saying give them cash register duties but they're perfectly capable of cleaning, stocking small items, feeding small furry animals, folding clothes and helping customers open changing room doors.
My sociology class also showed me another side to it. There's a poor family. Mom and Dad are scraping by, the child works too. Child labor laws force child to stop working, poor family become poorer.
Give them short hours, give them minimum wage, give them juice box breaks. I don't see the issue anymore.

Fuck all im complaining about is working in the hershey freezer. they wont pay me because im underaged i actually shouldnt even be working in there because im underaged but somethings happend last night so needed to be in the freezer today but it pisses me off that i wont even get paid for my work

[FreeFall]

Yep I know and I think in this day and age, the law's pretty useless and outdated.

[Professional Russian]

it fuckingis. i dont like working for free i aint no mexican i aint working for free

[Anselmo]

If you're not going to be paid, don't work. It's stupid not being paid just because someone is underaged.
Depends on the type of job...If it's dangerous and an underaged person wants to do it it shouldn't be allowed, but if it's something simple, yeah i don't a reason why underaged people can't work

[Professional Russian]

If you're not going to be paid, don't work. It's stupid not being paid just because someone is underaged.
Depends on the type of job...If it's dangerous and an underaged person wants to do it it shouldn't be allowed, but if it's something simple, yeah i don't a reason why underaged people can't work

im throwing ice cream in a freezer at 48 below. it aint that hard. just because im 15 doesnt mean i shouldnt get paid. its not my fault too guys quit last night and i had to go clean up their mess with another guy. I want fucking cash not ice cream.

[Anselmo]

im throwing ice cream in a freezer at 48 below. it aint that hard. just because im 15 doesnt mean i shouldnt get paid. its not my fault too guys quit last night and i had to go clean up their mess with another guy. I want fucking cash not ice cream.

We all want cash. And i can't see the reason why you're not getting paid, because not getting paid for working doesn't make sense

[Professional Russian]

We all want cash. And i can't see the reason why you're not getting paid, because not getting paid for working doesn't make sense

Because hershey doesnt consider me an employee because 1. im underaged and 2.im not working there very often. They wont pay me because im 15 they dont think i need money well i want fucking money and i dont enjoy working for free.Just because im underaged is no good excuse not too pay me. its a bunch of bullshit because they want to keep their money

[huginnmuninn]

Because hershey doesnt consider me an employee because 1. im underaged and 2.im not working there very often. They wont pay me because im 15 they dont think i need money well i want fucking money and i dont enjoy working for free.Just because im underaged is no good excuse not too pay me. its a bunch of bullshit because they want to keep their money

why do you work there?

[Professional Russian]

why do you work there?

Because 2 of the ware house workers uit last night so my mom being the genious she is called me and had my dad take me down to the branch to help out well no one ever told me i wasnt getting paid

[Gandalf]

it fuckingis. i dont like working for free i aint no mexican i aint working for free

Lol, was this you origininally or quoting Derri from chat?

Anyway, good to know your employment issues have been resolved, even if it is only temporary. :)

[Professional Russian]

Lol, was this you origininally or quoting Derri from chat?

Anyway, good to know your employment issues have been resolved, even if it is only temporary. :)

I always i aint no mexican i dont work for free also you can add working like a mexican to the list because thats also mine.

[Jess]

I agree, I wish there were more leeway.
Conditions are much, much safer than the times when those laws were made for (barefeet children operating heavy dangerous machinery in dirty conditions) and there's no way a child need to be around the heavy equipment anymore. 12 year olds and younger should and can be hired in my opinion. I'm not saying give them cash register duties but they're perfectly capable of cleaning, stocking small items, feeding small furry animals, folding clothes and helping customers open changing room doors.
My sociology class also showed me another side to it. There's a poor family. Mom and Dad are scraping by, the child works too. Child labor laws force child to stop working, poor family become poorer.
Give them short hours, give them minimum wage, give them juice box breaks. I don't see the issue anymore.

this is basically what I think

[Alliegator]

I agree with you! I mean they shouldn't completely get rid of them because it's there for safety but they need to be a lot less uptight. I barely get hours and it's because my boss wants to be careful with the law and i make like $40 a week now instead of my older friends that work that make like hundreds more.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I dont like child labor laws. the way i see it if i want to go work i at 15 i should be able to go work at 15 with no questions asked. What brought this too my mind way my mom just called me and told me to go t the Hershey branch and help the guy in the freezer since 2 guys walked out last night. I said i better be getting paid she said i probably wont since i'm underaged. now i enjoy working in the Hershey freezer. do you think that if someones underaged and want to work they should be able to work or should it still be illegal?

Definitely legal. To a point. I think 15 plus or so.

[root]

I don't get it, why would you wanna work?

[Jupiter]

I think it's okay so there parents don't force them to work, because a lot of people have stress with whatever is going on in their personal life, and then school, jobs should not be included JUST because there parents cannot afford to take care of them.

and this is coming from someone who really should have a job, and who's parents are dirt poor, so don't call me a rich snob cuz of what i said.. please.

[Professional Russian]

I don't get it, why would you wanna work?

why the fuck are you asking me why i want to work? I dont know about you but my parents dont pay for the shit i want. i pay for everything i want and just about ever thing i do. if i dont pay i dont get to do it.

[huginnmuninn]

I don't get it, why would you wanna work?

money is the best reason

[Abigballofdust]

Well, in my country, you can work once you are 15 and you're out of elementary school (grade 8). You also cannot do night shifts and dangerous or hard jobs. I think that's perfectly fine because I see 15 as a good age for your first job.
My parents own a shop and I gotta tell you that I'd never accept somebody under 15 to work in it, even in a simple position as mopping the floors.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Here it's not till 18.

[Azunite]

I have an idea, let's keep things under control.

An employer could apply to this "Child Labor Bureau" and say "I want to have this 15 year old Mike as my ice-cream man.". The officer at this bureau could come to the place, examine the work conditions, ask the employer and this 15 year old Mike questions about the job, review the working hours and the payment, etc and then either allow the employer or not allow the employer to have Mike as his ice-cream man

[Mortal Coil]

I agree. It's so stupid that younger people can't find jobs even if they're perfectly safe and all parties directly involved are perfectly willing.

[Sudds3]

I feel the same way! I don't want to do some BS jub like yard work or walking dogs or something dumb like that! I just applied for a job at a local haunted house and I'm 14. I know I won't get the job because I'm too young, but I want to make some real money and I can't do that mowing 3 lawns a month for 10 dollars a mow. Plus i want to do work, I'm not being forced to do it. There should be some law like there is a waver for kids 12-16 or whatever the age limit is (I think it's 16 most places) that allows them to sign it, their parents, and the employer to show they are all in consent about the work. Because now I have to wait 2 year before I can do a job I know I'm going to love!

But then part of it is the employer. The haunted house only accepts people 16+ because I assume they can drive and the place is in the middle of nowhere. But I asked my mom and she said she would drive me there and back if I needed. And the employer might think people under 16 aren't mature enough to have a real job like that, which I think is stupid because it's a label for all people under 16 when people mature at different rates. And I do want a job that I would go to for 6-8 hours a night whenever I was needed.

[Sudds3]

I have an idea, let's keep things under control.

An employer could apply to this "Child Labor Bureau" and say "I want to have this 15 year old Mike as my ice-cream man.". The officer at this bureau could come to the place, examine the work conditions, ask the employer and this 15 year old Mike questions about the job, review the working hours and the payment, etc and then either allow the employer or not allow the employer to have Mike as his ice-cream man

But the thing about that is that the employer wouldn't want to spend all that time and money to do all that when they could just hire another person, of age, right away with no draw backs.

[Human]

if they want to, why not

[Azunite]

But the thing about that is that the employer wouldn't want to spend all that time and money to do all that when they could just hire another person, of age, right away with no draw backs.

He won't spend any money and well child labor is cheaper.

[Professional Russian]

He won't spend any money and well child labor is cheaper.

This is true. i will work cheaper than the average person. id rather get paid $7.50 an hour under the table than $15.00 an hour with taxes

[FreeFall]

$7.50's my state's minimum wage, in my opinion that's a lot for a person under 12 years of age. So I think we can rule out the, 'they won't make enough money so what's the point' claim someone could argue for keeping the laws.

[Professional Russian]

$7.50's my state's minimum wage, in my opinion that's a lot for a person under 12 years of age. So I think we can rule out the, 'they won't make enough money so what's the point' claim someone could argue for keeping the laws.

$7.50 is the whole countrys minimum i think

[Truth]

Everyone posting in this thread does realize the only thing keeping corporations from overworking young children at minimum wage to double profit is the labour laws .... right?

It's not necessary for most children under 12 to work, and here in Canada after the age of 12 you can work in any grocery store or fast food resturaunt.

[Professional Russian]

Everyone posting in this thread does realize the only thing keeping corporations from overworking young children at minimum wage to double profit is the labour laws .... right?

It's not necessary for most children under 12 to work, and here in Canada after the age of 12 you can work in any grocery store or fast food resturaunt.

YEah well i aint talking about canada im talking about the U.S. and companies cant over work children because if they do they will be shut down

[Truth]

YEah well i aint talking about canada im talking about the U.S. and companies cant over work children because if they do they will be shut down They wouldn't be shut down without child labour laws... d'oh!

Editing the law is not the same as getting rid of it.

[Korashk]

Ultimate, I disagree with child labor laws on principle, but know why they exist (because it keeps parents from forcing their children to work).

This is true. i will work cheaper than the average person. id rather get paid $7.50 an hour under the table than $15.00 an hour with taxes
Why? If it's for the money then I've got news for you. State withholdings is less than 50% of your paycheck. You would make more money with the 15$ an hour job.

$7.50's my state's minimum wage, in my opinion that's a lot for a person under 12 years of age. So I think we can rule out the, 'they won't make enough money so what's the point' claim someone could argue for keeping the laws.
Typically the minimum wage for minors and adults is different. I know in Michigan the minor's wage is something like 6 dollars.

[Abigballofdust]

Everyone posting in this thread does realize the only thing keeping corporations from overworking young children at minimum wage to double profit is the labour laws .... right?
Not true, children can work in controlled environments with the laws still in place, only with different details within them.

It's not necessary for most children under 12 to work, and here in Canada after the age of 12 you can work in any grocery store or fast food resturaunt.
Children under 12 should think only about school and playing, no working till at least 15 (and delivering news papers or walking dogs is not a real job, more like working environment simulator).

[Truth]

Not true, children can work in controlled environments with the laws still in place, only with different details within them.


Children under 12 should think only about school and playing, no working till at least 15 (and delivering news papers or walking dogs is not a real job, more like working environment simulator). ... So as I said, you want to amend the law and not get rid of it? Then don't say you want to get rid of it.

Secondly, no that's not true. My family has been poor my entire life, I needed to work as I couldn't ask my mom for everything.

[Professional Russian]

... So as I said, you want to amend the law and not get rid of it? Then don't say you want to get rid of it.

Secondly, no that's not true. My family has been poor my entire life, I needed to work as I couldn't ask my mom for everything.

I cant ask my parents for shit either and with the stuff i want to do it has a big bill. Thats what brought up this whole debate. i can not get paid becasue im only 15. if got ot work for hershey like i did thursday and friday they will not pay me even though i get the job done during the regular work day they wont pay me. and that pisses me off