Your Favorite Web Browser Poll

[thesonicguy]

I love Fire Fox

[Unknown_kid]

firefox/safari, safari on my apples, firefox on windows vista

[Maverick]

I love my fox!

[Gavin]

you can't beat the new ie7

[Kiros]

You haven't experienced the web until you've tried Avant Browser (http://www.avantbrowser.com) ;)

[Gavin]

have you got a screenshot of it?

[Kiros]

Yeah, look at the attachment. It has a lot of features too. Go look at the website! :D

Well, it's not too big because vBulletin resized it, but you should be able to get the point.

[Gavin]

really i can't much difference with avant and ie7

[Kiros]

There are penty of differences when you get into the options, including mouse jestures, ad blocker, certain things that you may disable (such as images, sounds, Flash, ActiveX, JavaScript, etc.), online profiling (which allows you to maintain all your settings and bookmarks on an online account so you can go install Avant Browser on another computer and just sign in with your username and have it automatically download your settings and bookmarks), and some other neat stuff. It takes less than a minute to download with a broad band connection (it's less than 2MB) and just a few seconds to install. A good thing about Avant Browser is that it uses your installed Internet Explorer engine, so it's compatible with everything that IE is - even toolbars and other BHOs.

[Gavin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_7

[Blahages]

A good thing about Avant Browser is that it uses your installed Internet Explorer engine, so it's compatible with everything that IE is - even toolbars and other BHOs.

I wouldn't necessarily consider that a good thing. But, then again I'm not going to get into the FF VS Avant/IE thing again (We did this before ;)). Main point it boiled down to, at least for me, was the fact that I despise IE's engine, and anything IE Based. If I want IE, I'll use IE or IE Tab for FF.

Well, maybe the word 'despise' isn't necessarily the best choice of words. I don't despise it, I just prefer to stay away from it. There are times when I'm lazy and I'll open IE7 on whatever machine I'm using at the time if the icon is closer to my cursor than FF's. But, any extended period of browsing, I'd prefer to use FF, or even Opera, although FF is preferred.

Also, IE (Or any other browser) toolbars = evil.

As for the choices in the poll, besides those three, Safari just isn't ready for Windows (OSx, Probably fine), and Netscape is Okay now that it uses the FF base, but I still dislike it.

As for Linux, I use Swiftfox (Optimized Build of FF) usually, although I do like Konqueror somewhat.

[mr. self destruct]

Firefox, and safari. I have a firefox plugin called fasterfox that make pages load really fast.

[Maverick]

One thing I don't like about Avant is that when I type in a partial web address, it lists everything in alphabetical order rather than what web addresses I visit most frequently like on Firefox.

Also the pages load weirdly on Avant.

IE7 freezes for some reason - it's very buggy on my computer (which is just over a year old).

Opera for some reason is pretty weird and (esp on forums) load outdated pages first rather than whats current. No clue why it does that. Also isn't very flexible with most websites.

I never used Netscape or safari so no opinion on that.

[thesonicguy]

Fasterfox sound's cool I'm looking it up on goodsearch.com now!
I don't like IE bcas it fizz up all the time. I only use FF. And my ISP can only use FF and IE. And I like the FF tabs.

[thesonicguy]

Firefox, and safari. I have a firefox plugin called fasterfox that make pages load really fast.

Fasterfox did no change for me.

P.S. I use the "own" Theme Add-ons is a cool Theme!! https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5308

[Glasgow]

You haven't experienced the web until you've tried Avant Browser (http://www.avantbrowser.com) ;)

:):):)

[Whisper]

i'd completly forgotten about firefox until just now i installed it and its PISSING ME OFF

my Themes panel is nowhere to be found its not unter tools where its supposed to be...
so i cant change from the standard skin

[Gavin]

sonic what do you mean by ie7 fizzzes up all the time? it doesnt happen to me

[thesonicguy]

i'd completly forgotten about firefox until just now i installed it and its PISSING ME OFF

my Themes panel is nowhere to be found its not unter tools where its supposed to be...
so i cant change from the standard skin

The Themes panel is in the Tools Add-ons

[boognish]

i got to say i feel more attached to internet explorer 6. :P i know i seem odd, but i like it

[Crazysam]

Two words.... Internet ......Explorer

[Blahages]

Two words.... Internet ......Explorer

One word: "Why?"

[Gavin]

because it beats all the rest simple :D

[Blahages]

because it beats all the rest simple :D

I beg to differ. Explain just how it "beats the rest."

I think you're just lazy, and have never used Firefox or something else besides IE. It's easy to say something beats all the rest when you've never used the rest.

:)

Fasterfox sound's cool I'm looking it up on goodsearch.com now!
I don't like IE bcas it fizz up all the time. I only use FF. And my ISP can only use FF and IE. And I like the FF tabs.

What do you mean your ISP can only use FF or IE? Are you referring to their web site?

The ISP doesn't limit your use of a particular web browser for browsing the internet.

IE 7 was more usable, at least for me, once I re-enabled the menu bar, moved it back to the top, above the address bar instead of under it, disabled the phishing filter, and disabled the annoying prompt of opening files you've downloaded, or are on a local network.

[thesonicguy]

What do you mean your ISP can only use FF or IE? Are you referring to their web site?

The ISP doesn't limit your use of a particular web browser for browsing the internet.
I like using FF, And my Internet service provider (Is a in town ISP speed 45.2 kbps) I can only use IE and FF. host ISP only use's IE and FF

[Gavin]

[QUOTE=Blahages;177667]I beg to differ. Explain just how it "beats the rest."

I think you're just lazy, and have never used Firefox or something else besides IE. It's easy to say something beats all the rest when you've never used the rest.

:)



actually blahages i have used firefox and don't call me lazy because i am not.firefox its not for me i didnt like so i went back with internet explorer and that is the way its staying.

[crimson]

Firefox all the way!

[Blahages]

actually blahages i have used firefox and don't call me lazy because i am not.firefox its not for me i didnt like so i went back with internet explorer and that is the way its staying.

I was messing with you. Learn to handle it. I was merely asking a question, which you didn't answer.

What exactly didn't you like about Firefox, and what's so great about IE?

I like using FF, And my Internet service provider (Is a in town ISP speed 45.2 kbps) I can only use IE and FF. host ISP only use's IE and FF

I'm still confused as to exactly what you're saying. Are you saying you go into your town, and use like a public computer with only FF and IE installed on them to access the internet? Or, what? I read that post about 5 times, and can't figure it out for sure.

[MoveAlong]

Mine's Avant :D

[Bobby]

I've found no problems with IE7. I like it :D

[thesonicguy]

I was messing with you. Learn to handle it. I was merely asking a question, which you didn't answer.

What exactly didn't you like about Firefox, and what's so great about IE?



I'm still confused as to exactly what you're saying. Are you saying you go into your town, and use like a public computer with only FF and IE installed on them to access the internet? Or, what? I read that post about 5 times, and can't figure it out for sure.

Come on this is going no where.
I have FF, I like it ok? And why don't we get off this topic. :rolleyes:

[Blahages]

Come on this is going no where.
I have FF, I like it ok? And why don't we get off this topic. :rolleyes:

:confused: I wasn't trying to cause any problems, and as far as I can tell, there's no reason anyone should have a problem with what I asked. I just asked them why they disliked FF, and what they liked so much about IE. What's the problem with that? I then asked it once more because they didn't answer the question, they just replied with something else to me.

I couldn't help it if it didn't go anywhere. I asked a simple question, and they didn't answer. That's all. I was still hoping they'd answer, and I still am. I wasn't trying to sound rude or anything, because I wasn't being rude. I'm not saying you're suggesting that, I'm just saying that because it sounded like the person I replied to above asking the question seemed to think I had been. I was stating in general, that if someone randomly likes something (especially something as bad as IE), with no particular reason, and randomly dislikes everything else entirely, with no given reason, they probably haven't tried the others. I wasn't necessarily stating that they were the one I was talking about. I was just saying in general. And, I gave them a chance to respond with reasons, but it didn't happen.

Sonic and Gav: Please don't take what I was saying as trying to start a fight. That's NOT what I was going for. I asked a simple question, and was wondering what the reasons Gav and the original person I replied to liked IE so much over everything else. That's all. Just looking for some specific problems they might have encountered with FF or whatever else.

I've used IE and FF both extensively, and although I can say IE IS usable, and not entirely crap, I always advise an alternative as for users who aren't at least somewhat technially experienced, I wouldn't recommend it. It's an okay browser to use if you know what you're doing. I usually wouldn't say that, but that's how I feel. People trying to cause problems more often than not tend to target IE then other non-IE based browsers. It's a simple fact, and would happen to any browser if they had the majority of the users. It's also easier in some senses for things to get installed on user's systems entirely by accident with IE than FF. ActiveX is one example. With FF, you pretty much have to let the Site download a file to your machine, and you have to execute it. Which, I will admit, does happen. But, with ActiveX, and IE, all that has to be done is for something to come up, saying "Oh noes!? This fake program that looks similar to a legitimate part of Windows says you need to download this random piece of software to fix these viruses and errors on your machine. Please click the little OK button and we'll install the fix," and it'll install an activex control that breaks everything.

It all comes down to the user. I prefer Firefox, and believe that non-experienced users use it over IE. In my experience, less good comes from letting them use IE. My sisters all used IE on my dad's machine for a while. Users where I work (School District, Computer Tech) also tend to have more problems. Sure, some of them may be hesitant on making the change at first, but it's worth it in the long run. My sisters have switched entirely, as as my dad, and there's been a lot less problems with random problems on his machine since. It was a big problem before. I spent quite a while trying to clean it up.

I could, as I'm sure others (I know Several right now, off hand) that could use IE all day long, and never have problems. It depends on your experience, and how you use the machine. If you know what you're doing, you are less likely to have those problems. I was just stating that for MUCH of the general population, I wouldn't recommend it.

I use IE once in a while too. It just depends on how close the Icon is to my cursor, and what mood I'm in. I won't use it 24/7, but I will use it at times. It has usually worked better for me, and I RARELY have any rendering issues, or any other problem with it, for that matter. The only real problems I have with FF is a Memory 'hole' it has had for a while, which isn't too big of a deal for me, because I have enough RAM to compensate for it, and the fact that it quits letting me change between tabs after I open more than like 35 tabs at once, although I can still do it with Ctrl+Tab. But, then again, I'm not usually a typical user. I over-work my programs all the time, so I can't expect them to always function perfectly. IE also has its difficulties with similar things.

I've just had more issues with IE, and when it comes to managing 400-600 Computers (Work, various problems, including Buffer Under-run errors with IE, random pages with a lot of drop down boxes crashing the entire computer, and other problems), I tend to develop a dislike for it. I have both IE and FF installed on 99% of those machines, and I have no problems saying that of all the problems with web browsing, even with IE controlling the majority of the users, 95-98% of the browsing problems I've had to attend to have been with IE. The only problems I can think of that HAVEN'T been particular to IE have been the minuscule number of websites that require IE over Firefox. And, starting this next school year, all the machines have the IETab extension installed by default with FF, so you can just click a button on the navigation bar, and it opens it within FF using the IE Engine.

I'm just giving my personal experience with the two browsers. Take it or leave it. I'm not forcing anyone to change browsers on here. I'm just giving my take on it. I've just had more issues with anything IE based, which includes IE, Avant, Maxthon, etc, over Firefox, and Even Opera and Konqueror, among others. And, Yes, I have tried a lot of the alternatives to IE, and Firefox, including all those I listed above, among others. Avant gave me issues, besides the fact of it being IE-Based, Konqueror I have to say I prefer over all of them besides FF. Opera is third in line, followed by Avant, then IE. I haven't used Maxthon is a while, but last I used it, I hated it more than IE.

/Rant

If anyone wants the original thread I was talking about earlier, where me and Kiros got into a fun discussion about FF and Avant/IE, here you go: http://virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9798

Starts on the Second Page.

This is why I didn't want to go into these types of things. I tend to go on for forever on these types of things, and you can see in this thread and that one.

[dmaready]

I got to go with my Fox. All the things you can add on to it and customize it with is why I love it so. Monzilla FTW!!!:yeah:

[Aηdy]

I like Avant.

[Kiros]

Will - Avant's changed, for the better too. You might want to make sure your IE is up-to-date and then get the latest Avant. It's pretty nice (while before it did have some bugs here and there).

But I would like to post this while I have it opened:
Firefox Myths Facts

Criticisms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Mozilla_Firefox
http://internetweek.cmp.com/174907404
http://www.slyerfox.com/
http://www.ireallydontcare.com/index.php?page=fun/firefox
http://www.stopfirefox.com/
http://poptech.blogspot.com/2006/01/opera-is-faster-more-secure-and-more.html
http://poptech.blogspot.com/2005/01/firefox-new-religion.html
http://4sysops.com/archives/firefox-versus-internet-explorer-in-a-corporate-network/
http://www.udolpho.com/weblog/?id=00754&title=Seven-reasons-IE-is-better-than-Firefox-from-a-developers-point-of-view
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=192
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1307
http://lifehacker.com/software/ie7/ie7-vs-firefox-2--the-memory-usage-showdown-208908.php


Market Share Myths:

http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/21923
http://poptech.blogspot.com/2005/04/firefox-update-conspiracy.html
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=177105800
http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/personaltech/175804009
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=3
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39204643,00.htm


Performance Myths:

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#winspeed


Security Myths:

http://secunia.com/product/4227/ (Firefox)
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#Firefox
http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=firefox
http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/09/20/HNfirefoxmatures_1.html
http://secunia.com/advisories/16128/ (Extensions)
http://secunia.com/product/4932/ (Opera)
http://blogs.msdn.com/dmassy/archive/2005/03/22/400689.aspx
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1785769,00.asp
http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/desktop/60402020
http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2005/03/firefox-spyware-infects-ie.html
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=103
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/security/2004/09/16/open_source_security_myths.html?page=1
http://www.developer.com/tech/article.php/10923_626641_1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4925606.stm
http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2006/04/pssstyou-wanna-see-firefox-exploit-in.html
http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry_seltzer/archive/2006/05/03/9589.aspx
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=85
http://secdev.zoller.lu/firespy.htm
http://poptech.blogspot.com/2006/09/internet-explorer-6x-more-secure-than.html


Feature Myths:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/duplicates.cgi?sortby=delta&reverse=1&sortvisible=0&product=Firefox&maxrows=200&changedsince=30
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/009749.html
http://nontroppo.org/wiki/OperaInnovations
http://www.popuptest.com/
http://blogs.msdn.com/rssteam/archive/2005/12/14/503778.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing#Tabbed_browsing
http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_summary.php
http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/
http://www.computergripes.com/firefox.html
http://www.computergripes.com/firefoxsites.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4115806.stm
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/02/10/370721.aspx

[Aηdy]

I've just downloaded the lastest Avant, it looks awesome now!

[MoveAlong]

Yeah and the little icon for it looks cooler too :D Looks nice, yay :D

[Aηdy]

Nice post Kiros xD

[Maverick]

I've just downloaded the lastest Avant, it looks awesome now!
Yeah same here. I like it. :D

[Antares]

Ive downloaded IE7 and I dont liuke it that much. But my facorite is Firefox and I think im gonna download the new one. Anyone has it?

[Phil_191]

I use Safari. It's pretty good and I prefer it to IE7. The layout reminds me of iTunes too, which is cool. I've never used Firefox though, but I would definately recommend Safari to anyone.

[thesonicguy]

Ya but I do think Fire Fox is the best! You can use lots of Add-ons, Themes (I use the "own 1.1.0" theme it's a Vista theme for Fire Fox. And I use it on my Thunder Bird.),Extensions, Bookmarks, Web Search, Download Page, And lots more!!

[Aηdy]

You forgot FasterFox, because you'll need it :P

[DouggyO.o]

I use the fox. i couldnt get into advent...it was hella ewwww