SSAD: Same Sex Attachment Disorder, Is it really a disorder?

[Cicero]

Is same sex attachment disorder really a disorder? If not, why? If so, why?

[Twilly F. Sniper]

No. Homophobia made that up.

[FreeFall]

I have never heard of that term before.
With a quick google I deduced enough to form a better opinion. The first thing I saw was homosexuality is a "same sex attachment disorder". Hm. The guy who termed it is an 'ex-gay'? I'll just say he wasn't certain about his orientation and was confused.

It's just another big ole fancy word to say Homosexuality is wrong and unnatural and the homosexuals can be "cured".
Well, I suppose us heterosexuals must have an "opposite sex attachment disorder".

[Aves]

To me it sounds like someone made it up to make homosexuality a curable disease. It's in no way a medical condition, but another attack on homosexuality because "homosexuality isn't natural", or so they say.

[Manjusri]

If same 'same sex attachment' is a disorder, then i guess so is 'opposite sex attachment'.
We all need a cure, somebody, anybody, save us!

[Sleepy Raisin]

If same 'same sex attachment' is a disorder, then i guess so is 'opposite sex attachment'.
We all need a cure, somebody, anybody, save us!

I totally agree! We all need some savin'. For college! :D

But no SSAD is NOOOOOT a disorder, its just something someone came up with and wrote a book about.

[JimmyIsNowAMan]

Like saying being left handed is a disorder since most are righties. Stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[Abigballofdust]

Cohen is a genius. The old man was supposedly gay, but then found out he is actually heterosexual and now he cures gays for money, gets donations of money, writes books for money, does teleconferences for money, money, money, money, money. Get it?
However, I find it positive that this ex gay clinic has no affiliation with any church. At least he tries to insert science in the whole mess.

[Korashk]

At least he tries to insert science in the whole mess.
No, he doesn't. Bullshit science being passed off as real science is worse than admitting you're not using science.

[Cicero]

No. Homophobia made that up.

Whats the proof?

[Korashk]

Whats the proof?
Are you serious? You can't be serious. I can't believe I'm about to respond to you.

SSAD is what people used to call homosexuality, and what some homophobes still call it. It's not some separate concept.

[Mortal Coil]

Sounds exactly like homosexuality to me... which is not a disorder.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

Whats the proof?

Obvious. SAME SEX ATTACHMENT..... DISORDER. read like that. Plus that's saying homosexuality is not natural. BTW it's been observed in 1200 species, and homophobia in only 1. Not trying to argue here I'm just saying it in the most obvious way possible.

Cohen is a genius. The old man was supposedly gay, but then found out he is actually heterosexual and now he cures gays for money, gets donations of money, writes books for money, does teleconferences for money, money, money, money, money. Get it?
However, I find it positive that this ex gay clinic has no affiliation with any church. At least he tries to insert science in the whole mess.

I'd not use the term cure. Curing homosexuality iis impossible and homosexuality is natural occurrence.

[Jess]

yeah, first time I read the title, one word came to mind, "homosexuality". and it's NOT a disorder. so no.

and obviously, there's no cure

[Twilly F. Sniper]

yeah, first time I read the title, one word came to mind, "homosexuality". and it's NOT a disorder. so no.

and obviously, there's no cure

Right on the freaking dot.

[level_up]

It's complete BS that was probably created for propaganda purposes; look in the latest edition of the DSM and I guarantee you won't find it.

[Brice]

No. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say. Being gay or whatever is a choice in life. Whoever made that up need to take that disorder and shove it.

[StoppingTime]

No. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say. Being gay or whatever is a choice in life. Whoever made that up need to take that disorder and shove it.

I'm sorry, but what now? Being gay is a choice, hmmm.
Quick question for you. If being gay was a choice, why would someone (who is LGBT) want to be disliked by the majority of population, looked down upon, and be singled out?

[Brice]

I'm sorry, but what now? Being gay is a choice, hmmm.
Quick question for you. If being gay was a choice, why would someone (who is LGBT) want to be disliked by the majority of population, looked down upon, and be singled out?

They don't want to be singled out. They want to live an honest life. I have very many gay and bisexual friends who all chose it and they are perfectly happy and aren't made fun of or anything. It is a choice and life style for after you choose it. You can't be forced to become gay, in my opinion at least. It's a choice.

[StoppingTime]

They don't want to be singled out. They want to live an honest life. I have very many gay and bisexual friends who all chose it and they are perfectly happy and aren't made fun of or anything. It is a choice and life style for after you choose it. You can't be forced to become gay, in my opinion at least. It's a choice.

So you deny countless medical studies that prove otherwise?

[Brice]

So you deny countless medical studies that prove otherwise?

I do. There isn't a scientific answer to everything. Especially not this. Using science to determine someones sexuality is insulting to gays. I'm sorry, but I didn't come looking for a fight. And in my last post I may have come off as rude, sorry about that too.

[StoppingTime]

I do. There isn't a scientific answer to everything. Especially not this. Using science to determine someones sexuality is insulting to gays. I'm sorry, but I didn't come looking for a fight. And in my last post I may have come off as rude, sorry about that too.

>Posts in a debate forum.
>Doesn't come looking to debate.
....

Why is scientific evidence insulting to LGBT people? It isn't using science to determine sexuality, it is science proving sexuality isn't a choice.

[Jess]

No. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say. Being gay or whatever is a choice in life. Whoever made that up need to take that disorder and shove it.

it's not a choice -_-

[Twilly F. Sniper]

it's not a choice -_-

True as can be.

[OregonStateDude]

it's not a choice -_-

Thank you. I've had this internal debate with myself over and over again. And I am convinced that I was born gay. Because before I hit puberty, I wasn't sexually or emotionally attracted to either gender.

[Abigballofdust]

They don't want to be singled out. They want to live an honest life. I have very many gay and bisexual friends who all chose it and they are perfectly happy and aren't made fun of or anything. It is a choice and life style for after you choose it. You can't be forced to become gay, in my opinion at least. It's a choice.

I don't really understand. All your gay friends chose to be gay? How does that exactly work? I'm gay and I've chosen nothing about my sexuality, except choosing to not hide my feelings, but that's called self acceptance, not choice.

[Mob Boss]

I'm quite certain it was a term used to assume that one's sexuality can be changed, and is a disorder. Complete rubbish, if you ask me. If we go by that logic, then being of any sexuality is a disorder that can be changed. I doubt anyone has chosen their sexuality. I don't remember choosing to like guys, I just did. And, I don't think referring to someone's sexuality as a disorder is logical or kind seeing as scientists have already ruled out any mental disabilities or psychological differences in those who are homosexual and those who aren't. Bottom line: it's a load of crap used to alienate those who are homosexual even more so, and make money to get "therapy" for some term some guy pulled out of thin air....that's all it is.

[Brice]

To: StoppingTime: Debate is not the word I used. Debate is civilized argument. You, were being rude.
To: All of you other people: You can decide anything for yourself. Thinking people are born gay is an opinion. I have my own. People don't decide their sexuality until adolescence. You can choose your life for you, whether it's being gay and accepting it or being gay and not accepting it. You can choose to be gay. People choose what to be. I've asked every single one of my friends if this was insulting and they fully agree'd with me.

I'm quite certain it was a term used to assume that one's sexuality can be changed, and is a disorder. Complete rubbish, if you ask me. If we go by that logic, then being of any sexuality is a disorder that can be changed. I doubt anyone has chosen their sexuality. I don't remember choosing to like guys, I just did. And, I don't think referring to someone's sexuality as a disorder is logical or kind seeing as scientists have already ruled out any mental disabilities or psychological differences in those who are homosexual and those who aren't. Bottom line: it's a load of crap used to alienate those who are homosexual even more so, and make money to get "therapy" for some term some guy pulled out of thin air....that's all it is.

I like your reply, even though it doesn't match my opinion exactly. Except for that, I think my idea's are along the same line as yours.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

To: StoppingTime: Debate is not the word I used. Debate is civilized argument. You, were being rude.
To: All of you other people: You can decide anything for yourself. Thinking people are born gay is an opinion. I have my own. *People don't decide their sexuality until adolescence. You can choose your life for you, whether it's being gay and accepting it or being gay and not accepting it. You can choose to be gay. People choose what to be.* I've asked every single one of my friends if this was insulting and they fully agree'd with me.
The part marked with asterisks contains homophobia.

[FreeFall]

You can decide anything for yourself. Thinking people are born gay is an opinion. I have my own. People don't decide their sexuality until adolescence.
I'm all for having opinions, but people cannot chose their sexuality. Yes, they can hide it or express it but there's no stopping them from having it. Whatever sexual orientation they have that is. I'm not going to wake up tomorrow, dump my boyfriend, and run away with a girl. I'm not attracted to girls in anyway, and it's not because I decided that.

[Mob Boss]

I like your reply, even though it doesn't match my opinion exactly. Except for that, I think my idea's are along the same line as yours.

Not entirely, I don't agree that people choose their sexuality, but to each his own. I respect your opinion as much as the next person's.

[Lovesbeingnaked]

To: StoppingTime: Debate is not the word I used. Debate is civilized argument. You, were being rude.
To: All of you other people: You can decide anything for yourself. Thinking people are born gay is an opinion. I have my own. People don't decide their sexuality until adolescence. You can choose your life for you, whether it's being gay and accepting it or being gay and not accepting it. You can choose to be gay. People choose what to be. I've asked every single one of my friends if this was insulting and they fully agree'd with me.

Seems like you're confusing choosing to be out and acting on your feelings to choosing to be gay.

[anymasy]

Homosexuality is not a disease. Also it is not a choice. It's a leaning. SSAD is bullshit. It's a term that is not accepted from the authorities. Also homosexuality is about genes. By the resources, if one of the twin brothers is gay, the other one is %70 percent gay. So it is about genes. Also studies showed that having older brothers increases the odds of a boy being homosexual. When a woman is pregnant to a boy her female body often sees the male fetus as a foreign object, and begans to produce antigens and antibodies against it. The more boys woman has becomes more bent to feminising the fetus.
Also homosexuality is pretty common in nature, including zebras, baboons, dolphins, sheeps, buffalos, ducks, foxes, elephants, horses, gorillas, cats, pigs, mice, rabbit, swans, lions to name a few. SO DO YOU STILL THINK THAT THIS IS A DISORDER?

[Brice]

I saw no homophobia in my reply and I've read it a thousand times. Seems I can't change your opinions, so I'm out. Thanks for the nice little debate though.

[Twilly F. Sniper]

I saw no homophobia in my reply and I've read it a thousand times. Seems I can't change your opinions, so I'm out. Thanks for the nice little debate though.

I saw it in three sentences that you think being gay is a choice. Commonly said by HOMOPHOBIC people. I don't understand how you can't see that JS. Especially after looking "a thousand times." I think that probably is supposed to mean "skimmed once."

[Brice]

This is my last comment. No. It may be said by homophobic people. But they look at it differently and you are looking at it wrongly. Just beacuae homophobic people say it doesn't make the comment itself homophobic. That's like saying people who hang out with gay people are gay. So don't talk to me about homophobia.

[FreeFall]

This is my last comment. No. It may be said by homophobic people. But they look at it differently and you are looking at it wrongly. Just beacuae homophobic people say it doesn't make the comment itself homophobic. That's like saying people who hang out with gay people are gay. So don't talk to me about homophobia.
I'm sorry but no.
Racist people have told me to die for "poisoning their race". So when others tell me the same and claim they aren't racist, that doesn't make the statement any less racist, because it is.
Your comment is homophobic in nature, and slightly insensitive. You yourself aren't homophobic, but what you said is. It makes them feel like they've "chosen" wrong and they then want to "chose" what is "normal" and fight the drive for the sex that they're attracted to. They begin inner conflict going against what's natural. They can't help it, one cannot help what they're attracted to. I also fail to see the correlation between hanging out with gay people, and saying people can chose their orientation. I'm not trying to change your opinion, merely stating my own in response to it.

[Abnormal]

If Same Sex Attachment Disorder exists...then so does Opposite Sex Attachment Disorder. It would only make sense, right? I mean...if its a mental disorder to be attracted to the same sex, then why isn't a mental disorder to be attracted to the opposite sex? Can't people of the same sex just be attracted to each other without being attacked? Why can't people have differences in this world?

[Twilly F. Sniper]

*to the people asked about the homophobia post what the f*** can't you see?

I'm sorry but no.
Racist people have told me to die for "poisoning their race". So when others tell me the same and claim they aren't racist, that doesn't make the statement any less racist, because it is.
Your comment is homophobic in nature, and slightly insensitive. You yourself aren't homophobic, but what you said is. It makes them feel like they've "chosen" wrong and they then want to "chose" what is "normal" and fight the drive for the sex that they're attracted to. They begin inner conflict going against what's natural. They can't help it, one cannot help what they're attracted to. I also fail to see the correlation between hanging out with gay people, and saying people can chose their orientation. I'm not trying to change your opinion, merely stating my own in response to it.

Exactly my point. He apparently doesn't understand.

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